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Re: Who Is God Almighty Apart From His Word? by Janosky: 3:39pm On Jun 23

Emusan:
I asked you simple question you're running awa from it.

Jesus made that commandment not me.

Janosky, where do you put your brain.

"so that all may honor the Son JUST AS they honor the Father..." - John 5:23 NWT

Or I wrote this!

Now, do you honor Jesus JUST AS you Honor Jehovah?

Simple question

Emusan have agreed he honor your mother as you honor your Father.
Jesus who told Emusan to honor God his Father as Emusan honor Jesus, did Jesus at John 13:16 & John 14:28 teach Emusan that God is greater than Jesus his Son?

Yes.

Emusan wants to be in conflict against Jesus teachings.

Re: Who Is God Almighty Apart From His Word? by Janosky: 3:53pm On Jun 23

PROTEUO (preeminent) @ Colossians 1:18 is NOT the meaning of FIRSTBORN/PROTOTOKUS.

Colossians 1:18 pour sand into trinity doctrine.

FIRSTBORN/PROTOTOKUS first birth does NOT mean Preeminence.
Jesus is the first birth of God & Mary, Col 1:15/Heb1:6 & Luke2:7.
Let this truth sink in........

Trinitarians lump both words together to reject ,deny the bible. evidence that Jesus is the firstborn of every creature ALWAYS.

Everybody ,pls pay attention.

Re: Who Is God Almighty Apart From His Word? by Emusan(m): 3:59pm On Jun 23

Janosky:
Do you agree that insertion of "OTHER" in your own Bible at Luke 13:2 is dubious?

Firstly, OTHER is not in the original language.

So, inserting that is a fraudulent act.

This is KJV and I didn't see the word OTHER in Luke 13:2 "And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?

Oga, do you agree that insertion of "THE" in first sentence of John 1:1a is dubious in your own Bible?

You have been hiding under this to dodge the main point.

Anyways, you started this by saying [b]"BY" wasn't in Rev 3:14 and I asked you where did translator of NWT see it before adding it?

You pretended as if you didn't see it now jumping around again

Pls ,make time to upgrade your comprehension skills ,for your own good.

I understand, after dodging my points which excuse do you have again?

Oga, you no know your Bible & you rush to type wetin you NO kwow.
Go to Mounce Colossians 1:18 and receive sense.

Provide the screenshot from Mounce Col 1:18 if you have the chest to bore the truth.

Oga,you misunderstand this statement of Colossians 1:18:
HE(Jesus) MIGHT BECOME THE ONE WHO IS FIRST...

You claimed I misunderstood it yet you couldn't explain it.

So, HE MIGHT BECOME now has another meaning grin

When lie got exposed

Oga, is the word BORN in that sentence you bolded?
No.

So that He(Jesus) MIGHT BECOME who is FIRST in EVERYTHING.

Key words:
1. MIGHT BECOME (which means Jesus wasn't in that state before
2. FIRST IN EVERYTHING (this includes CREATION) which means if Jesus was the first to be created then it doesn't make any sense for Him to BECOME FIRST IN EVERYTHING AGAIN.

" He might become first is NOT the same as FIRSTBORN.

Good! So, who was Jesus BEFORE BECOMING FIRST IN EVERYTHING?

This alone, shows He was NOT THE FIRST CREATURE rather He is the Creator.

Oga,in the screenshots is PROTEUO the same as PROTOTOKUS?
How can you receive the blessing of firstborn if you are not a creature/child?
Oga, stop deceiving yourself.

It's not today, I've been lecturing you on Prototokus in fact that is the reason why your claim of FIRSTBORN being FIRST CREATURE fell flat.

There's word for FIRST CREATED which Paul didn't use but He used FIRSTBORN to shows Jesus is PREEMINENCE over creation.

Have you removed the word OTHER fraudulently inserted by NWT in Col 1:16-18?

Re: Who Is God Almighty Apart From His Word? by Emusan(m): 4:03pm On Jun 23

See your life outside.

Why you didn't have that boldness to answer my question.

Janosky:
Emusan have agreed he honor your mother as you honor your Father.

I never deny this in the first place.

So you Honor Jesus JUST AS you Honor Jehovah?

Jesus who told Emusan to honor God his Father as Emusan honor Jesus, did Jesus at John 13:16 & John 14:28 teach Emusan that God is greater than Jesus his Son?
Yes.

The simple question you're dodging is this,

Do you honor Jesus JUST AS you Honor Jehovah?

Emusan wants to be in conflict against Jesus teachings.

Jesus teaches "that ALL MEN (including Janosky) should honor Him JUST AS they Honor His Father" this is not my teaching.

Do you obey this by Honoring Jesus JUST AS you Honor Jehovah?

Very simple question.

Only you know the reason why you can't answer this simple question

Re: Who Is God Almighty Apart From His Word? by Janosky: 9:06pm On Jun 24*

Emusan:
Firstly, OTHER is not in the original language.

So, inserting that is a fraudulent act.

This is KJV and I didn't see the word OTHER in Luke 13:2 "And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?

" OTHER" is in the New KJV bible of Luke 13:2 & several different Bible translations in the screenshot?
Yes.
The Biblehub screenshot evidence.
This guy sef, you no like truth.

Emusan is "OTHER" fraudulent in your New KJV @ Luke 13:2
Emusan you just dey deceive yourself.

Re: Who Is God Almighty Apart From His Word? by Emusan(m): 9:27pm On Jun 24

Janosky:
" OTHER" is in the New KJV bible of Luke 13:2 & several different Bible translations in the screenshot?

Yes.
The Biblehub screenshot evidence.
This guy sef, you no like truth.

See your lying mouth.

You talked about my OWN Bible in which I didn't even have any Bible in the first place so I check KJV but you have to rush to NEW KJV.

Well, if the word OTHER appeared in NKJV you challenge them not me.

But using NKJV to justify the fraudulent insertion of OTHER in NWT that change the whole meaning of the text is evident that you support corruption against God's word.

Emusan is "OTHER" fraudulent in your New KJV @ Luke 14:2
Emusan you just dey deceive yourself.

See confusion.
Is it Luke 14:2 or Luke 13:2?

Meanwhile, was the word OTHER appeared in the original Greek?

Can you bring screenshot from Mounce of Col 1:16-18?

If you're such an honest person.

Re: Who Is God Almighty Apart From His Word? by Janosky: 9:28pm On Jun 24*

Emusan:
Provide the screenshot from Mounce Col 1:18 if you have the chest to bore the truth.

You claimed I misunderstood it yet you couldn't explain it.

Mounce Colossians 1:18 screenshot.
Firstborn = PROTOTOKUS (first birth).

PROTEUO = Preeminent.

Different Greek words with different meaning but Emusan wan CHANGE Greek Bible words & meaning to his own personal pleasure.

Mounce Greek English screenshot conflicting against Emusan opinion.

Awon believer.
grin

Re: Who Is God Almighty Apart From His Word? by Janosky: 9:38pm On Jun 24

Emusan:
See your lying mouth.

You talked about my OWN Bible in which I didn't even have any Bible in the first place so I check KJV but you have to rush to NEW KJV.

Well, if the word OTHER appeared in NKJV you challenge them not me.

But using NKJV to justify the fraudulent insertion of OTHER in NWT that change the whole meaning of the text is evident that you support corruption against God's word.

See confusion.
Is it Luke 14:2 or Luke 13:2?

Meanwhile, was the word OTHER appeared in the original Greek?

Can you bring screenshot from Mounce of Col 1:16-18?

If you're such an honest person.

It's your responsibility to do that ,not mine.
The same translators/publishers brought KJV & New KJV to the world,Emusan it's your responsibity to pose your allegation of "fraudulent act" of Luke 13:2 to the publishers.
After all,they are Trinitarians like you.

Oga,they don't share your opinion about Luke 13:2, that speaks volumes about Emusan faulted opinion.
"OTHER" is correct at Colossians 1:16 as it is correct at Luke 13:2.
WAILERS should proceed & WAIL.
grin

Re: Who Is God Almighty Apart From His Word? by Janosky: 9:53pm On Jun 24

Emusan:
See your lying mouth.

You talked about my OWN Bible in which I didn't even have any Bible in the first place so I check KJV but you have to rush to NEW KJV.

Well, if the word OTHER appeared in NKJV you challenge them not me.

But using NKJV to justify the fraudulent insertion of OTHER in NWT that change the whole meaning of the text is evident that you support corruption against God's word.

See confusion.
Is it Luke 14:2 or Luke 13:2?

Meanwhile, was the word OTHER appeared in the original Greek?

Can you bring screenshot from Mounce of Col 1:16-18?

If you're such an honest person.

Oga, bring the screenshot of Luke 13:2.
"OTHER" is not in any Greek manuscript there in new KJV your pastors they use for pulpit.

Remove am there before you make pointless claim about Col 1:16.

That is what every serious ,candid individual would do .

Re: Who Is God Almighty Apart From His Word? by Janosky: 10:55pm On Jun 24

Emusan:
You claimed I misunderstood it yet you couldn't explain it.

So, HE MIGHT BECOME now has another meaning

When lie got exposed

So that He(Jesus) MIGHT BECOME who is FIRST in EVERYTHING.

Key words:
1. MIGHT BECOME (which means Jesus wasn't in that state before
2. FIRST IN EVERYTHING (this includes CREATION) which means if Jesus was the first to be created then it doesn't make any sense for Him to BECOME FIRST IN EVERYTHING AGAIN.

Good! So, who was Jesus BEFORE BECOMING FIRST IN EVERYTHING?

[b]The right question is what is verse 18 talking about?

What is the Context of Colossians 1:18?
Answer:

Paul makes reference to Jesus headship of the congregation.
Paul makes reference to Jesus death/resurrection.

In Colossians 1:18 of the New World Translation (NWT), .The verse reads:"And he is the head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that he might become the one who is first in all things;"

The question is;

Would Jesus be firstborn from the dead if he did not die?
No .
Likewise,would Jesus would not be firstborn of every creature if he's uncreated.

Also,has God ever die?
No.

God (our Father & Jesus Father ) can not die, Psalm 90:1-3. Matt 27:46. John 3:16,36). God can NOT be firstborn.

Therefore ONLY his creatures taste death.
Jesus death & resurrection to immortal life means Jesus is the only creature to be raised from the dead & not die again.

@Verse18,did Paul talk about creation?
No.

Jesus might become first in all things pertaining to the Congregation and resurrection.
Because Jesus is ALWAYS subject under his Father Jehovah God, 1 Corinth 15:27-28. John 5:19.[/b]

Re: Who Is God Almighty Apart From His Word? by Emusan(m): 10:47am On Jun 25

Janosky:
Mounce Colossians 1:18 screenshot.
Firstborn = PROTOTOKUS (first birth)

PROTEUO = Preeminent.

Different Greek words with different meaning

Both come from the same root word.

Which supported my point that Paul was talking about POSITION not FIRST CREATED.

You can't still proof to me how FIRSTBORN became FIRST CREATURE.

It's evident that you're the one fussing different words together.

Also, Mounce shows that there's no word like 'OTHER' in Col 1:16-18.

So, where did you see OTHER?

but Emusan wan CHANGE Greek Bible words & meaning to his own personal pleasure.

I don't do that because I'm not part of the NWT translators who deliberately inserted the word OTHER where it was not found in Mounce

Mounce Greek English screenshot conflicting against Emusan opinion.

Did Mounce conflict your own translation of Col 1:16-18?

I know he will turn a blind eye to this like he did to rest of my post.

Re: Who Is God Almighty Apart From His Word? by Emusan(m): 11:09am On Jun 25

Janosky:
The right question is what is verse 18 talking about?

You can't just Jump to verse 18 without looking at the proceeding verses which is 16 & 17 first.

Verse 16&17 already said Jesus created EVERYTHING (UNIVERSE) both unseen and the ones seen.

So, how can the person who CREATED THE UNIVERSE be also CREATED?

What is the Context of Colossians 1:18?
Answer:

Paul makes reference to Jesus headship of the congregation.
Paul makes reference to Jesus death/resurrection.

In Colossians 1:18 of the New World Translation (NWT), .The verse reads:"And he is the head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that he might become the one who is first in all things;"

The question is;

Would Jesus be firstborn from the dead if he did not die?
No .
Likewise,would Jesus would not be firstborn of every creature if he's uncreated.

Also,has God ever die?
No.

Now, talking about CONTEXT.

Do you consider the same CONTEXT from verse 16&17? No! because that will expose your lying mouth.

Meanwhile, check that @color Jesus is THE BEGINNING just as Jehovah CALLED HIMSELF THE BEGINNING.

You can see that Paul was actually reinforcing his previous point (verse 16&17) of Jesus being the Creator.

You're talking about CONTEXT yet failed to look at the same TEXT.

God (our Father & Jesus Father ) can not die, Psalm 90:1-3. Matt 27:46. John 3:16,36). God can NOT be firstborn.

God is not FIRSTBORN but Jesus became FIRSTBORN when He came into His own creation.

Reason why Paul said "HE MIGHT BECOME FIRST IN EVERYTHING" if Jesus was the first creature which is against God's word then it's a common sense that He doesn't need to BE THE ONE WHO COMES FIRST IN EVERYTHING.

You agreed that Jesus BECOMES FIRSTBORN (which is the master stroke that breaks your camel back) reason why you've been running away from the question, who was Jesus BEFORE BECOMING FIRSTBORN?

I know if you're asked, who was Jesus BEFORE BECOMING HUMAN, you won't hesitate to shout Angel Micheal. grin

Therefore ONLY his creatures taste death.

No! Jesus took upon Himself Human Nature. The human nature died NOT God's Nature.

Jesus death & resurrection to immortal life means Jesus is the only creature to be raised from the dead & not die again.

He rose from death or was RECREATED FROM DEATH according to your own logic.

To rise from death means the same BODY. Do you agree?

Verse18,did Paul talk about creation?
No.

So, what did Paul talk about in verse 16&17?

Jesus might become first in all things pertaining to the Congregation and resurrection.

See this wacky insertion.

You have injected your own just as your NWT.

Paul said, so that HE MIGHT BE THE ONE WHO BECOMES FIRST IN ALL THINGS.

Now, because of your dishonesty you inserted CONGREGATION AND RESURRECTION.

Meanwhile, Paul ensure that the whole creation (Universe) was captured from verse 16 -17.

Because Jesus is ALWAYS subject under his Father Jehovah God, 1 Corinth 15:27-28. John 5:19

We're talking about CREATION here. Stop jumping around.

You agreed that the UNIVERSE (CREATION ITSELF) came through Jesus. Which is what Scripture says in Col 1:16-17, so how can Jesus still be part of Creation if CREATION (TIME, SPACE & MASS) came through Him?

By the way, you have use style to run away from other post ls grin

But I'll remind you.

Can you honor Jehovah THROUGH any Angel?

Can you honor your father or mother through goat or pig?

Do you honor Jesus JUST AS you Honor Jehovah?

Re: Who Is God Almighty Apart From His Word? by Janosky: 8:54pm On Jul 01

Emusan:
Both come from the same root word.

Which supported my point that Paul was talking about POSITION not FIRST CREATED.

You can't still proof to me how FIRSTBORN became FIRST CREATURE.

It's evident that you're the one fussing different words together.

.

[b]
Oga, continue deceiving yourself.
"BORN" according to your own Bible means created.
You have not removed Luke 2:7 in your Bible.
Jesus is Mary's firstborn by birth as Jesus is God's firstborn by creation,Hebrew 1:6.
After all,your Bible confirmed that God born the mountains,Ps 90:2
Firstborn of every creature is firstborn from the living.
The holy bible did not lie to you, theologians lied to you.
NET trinitarian Bible confirmed that the original meaning of firstborn is first birth, the evidence of a creature.
Firstborn of every creature is also confirmed in your Bible at Colossians 1:15.
Colossians 1:18, "firstborn from the dead is firstborn creature resurrected from the dead into immortal living.

The manner you CHANGE PROTEUO to mean PROTOTOKUS proven you don't love Bible truth.

Na so Emusan go use the same ogboju for him mind think say Stone is the same meaning as cornerstone at Acts 4:11,because Jesus becomes the cornerstone.
He will confuse himself it's that stone & cornerstone is " same root word". [/b]
grin

Re: Who Is God Almighty Apart From His Word? by Janosky: 9:03pm On Jul 01

Emusan:
Now, talking about CONTEXT.

Do you consider the same CONTEXT from verse 16&17? No! because that will expose your lying mouth.

Meanwhile, check that @color Jesus is THE BEGINNING just as Jehovah CALLED HIMSELF THE BEGINNING.

You can see that Paul was actually reinforcing his previous point (verse 16&17) of Jesus being the Creator.

You're talking about CONTEXT yet failed to look at the same TEXT.

@ Colossians 1:18 ,the beginning ,the firstborn from the dead", Paul is teaching about Jesus death & resurrection to immortal life,that Jesus is the first creature to taste death & resurrect to life without dying again unlike Lazarus who resurrect & died again.
Oga ,did your Bible & did Jesus teach you that God his Father died?

Oga, Matthew 27:46 & Psalm 93-1-3 will help you upgrade your comprehension skills.
Romans 7:25 ,giving thanks through Jesus doesn't mean you gave thanks to Jesus likewise God created the world through his son doesn't ,can not mean what you falsely claim.- Jesus is not a creator.
grin

Re: Who Is God Almighty Apart From His Word? by Janosky: 9:36pm On Jul 01

Emusan:
God is not FIRSTBORN but Jesus became FIRSTBORN when He came into His own creation.

Reason why Paul said "HE MIGHT BECOME FIRST IN EVERYTHING" [/b]

Jesus is God's firstborn in heaven by Creation before he came to earth. Hebrews 1:6
Jesus is Mary's firstborn on earth by birth before other children of Mary.
Emusan ,you have to upgrade your comprehension skills urgently.
Jesus became first in everything after he died and resurrected to immortality.
God resurrected Jesus as the first creature to attain immortality after Jesus was raised.
No other being achieved such feat before Jesus did it.
Your claim is not in your own Bible.
cheesy

Emusan:
If Jesus was the first creature which is against God's word then it's a common sense that He doesn't need to BE THE ONE WHO COMES FIRST IN EVERYTHING.

You agreed that Jesus BECOMES FIRSTBORN (which is the master stroke that breaks your camel back) reason why you've been running away from the question, who was Jesus BEFORE BECOMING FIRSTBORN?

Jesus became firstborn because he is God's firstborn creature in heaven, Hebrews 1:6.
Paul says "God brings his firstborn (in the heaven/spiritual realm) into the earth (realm)",Hebrew 1:6
This is the bible word for word.
Paul has already studied Proverbs 8:22-30 to know that Jesus is God's firstborn by creation.
Paul knew what the NET Bible translators found out about Proverbs 8:22-30.
NET Bible screenshots.

No be maggi or medemede of emperor Constantine added by theologians
grin

Re: Who Is God Almighty Apart From His Word? by Janosky: 9:59pm On Jul 01

Emusan:
See this wacky insertion.

You have injected your own just as your NWT.

Now, because of your dishonesty you inserted CONGREGATION AND RESURRECTION.

Congregation = Church @ Colossians 1:18.
Screenshot.
NWT..
Colossians 1: 18  "And he is the head of the body, the congregation.t He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead,u so that he might become the one who is first in all things;"
Emusan added "Resurrection" to make false claims.

Emusan:
You agreed that the UNIVERSE (CREATION ITSELF) came through Jesus. Which is what Scripture says in Col 1:16-17, so how can Jesus still be part of Creation if CREATION (TIME, SPACE & MASS) came through Him?

Romans 11:34-36, who is the being that came through God his Father?

Answer:
Jesus Christ.
Because God created the Universe through his son Jesus, @Heb1:2, Col 1:15.
Hebrews 6:13 God is above Jesus plus everything in heaven.
Romans 11:34-36, Jesus came through God his Father.
Apostle Paul taught me so.

Not theologians adding their own maggi & medemede.

Re: Who Is God Almighty Apart From His Word? by Emusan(m): 9:09am On Jul 02

Janosky:
Congregation = Church @ Colossians 1:18.
Screenshot.
NWT..
Colossians 1: 18  "And he is the head of the body, the congregation.t He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead,u so that he might become the one who is first in all things;"
Emusan added "Resurrection" to make false claims.

Where did I add RESURRECTION?

Were you not the one who ADDED RESURRECTION?

At the color part, Jesus is THE BEGINNING which means ALL CREATIONS come from Him. Reason why Jehovah also called Himself THE BEGINNING.

Case closed.

Romans 11:34-36, who is the being that came through God his Father?

Answer:
Jesus Christ.

For “who has come to know Jehovah’s* mind, or who has become his adviser?”+ 35  Or, “who has first given to him, so that it must be repaid to him?”+ 36  Because from him and by him and for him are all things. To him be the glory forever. Amen.

This Romans 11:34-36 from your own dubious Translation.

Now show me where A BEING was said to come THROUGH GOD rather the scripture says ALL THINGS come THROUGH Jehovah.

This is the reason your translation has to add the word "OTHER" multiple times in Col 1:16-18 to change ALL OTHER THINGS.

But from honesty hearted, both Col 1:16-18 & Rom 11:36 proves that ALL THINGS come from God. That is why Jesus is God Almighty.

Because God created the Universe through his son Jesus, @Heb1:2, Col 1:15.

UNIVERSE IS THE CREATION ITSELF.

Jesus must be PART OF UNIVERSE

Or you still want me to explain to you like a daycare.

So, if the UNIVERSE comes through Jesus and Jesus is ALSO PART OF THE UNIVERSE then it means Jesus CREATED HIMSELF.

But Rom 11:36 already exposed you as ALL THINGS if from God and the same ALL THINGS is from Jesus Christ Col 1:16-18.

Hebrews 6:13 God is above Jesus plus everything in heaven.
Romans 11:34-36, Jesus came through God his Father.
Apostle Paul taught me so.

Point me to where Rom 11:36 says Jesus came through God.

Not theologians adding their own maggi & medemede.

So where in Rom 11:36 that says Jesus came through God?

I know you'll run away from this as usual.

Re: Who Is God Almighty Apart From His Word? by Emusan(m): 9:17am On Jul 02

Janosky:
Jesus is God's firstborn in heaven by Creation before he came to earth. Hebrews 1:6

You said The Universe came THROUGH JESUS. Not me!

So, if CREATIONS(UNIVERSE) which Jesus is part of came through Jesus.

Do you agree that Jesus CREATED HIMSELF?

Jesus is Mary's firstborn on earth by birth before other children of Mary.

Definitely!

Emusan ,you have to upgrade your comprehension skills urgently.
Jesus became FIRST IN EVERYTHING after he died and resurrected to immortality.

The @color-red already exposed you.

It's evident that the FIRSTBORN is after Jesus resurrection and not because Jesus was the FIRST CREATURE the term never found in the Bible.

Unfortunately, you already rope yourself in the mud by saying "Jesus became FIRST IN EVERYTHING"

To you EVERYTHING here means minus creation ko grin

Jesus became firstborn because he is God's firstborn creature in heaven, Hebrews 1:6.
Paul says "God brings his firstborn (in the heaven/spiritual realm) into the earth (realm)",Hebrew 1:6
This is the bible word for word.
Paul has already studied Proverbs 8:22-30 to know that Jesus is God's firstborn by creation.
Paul knew what the NET Bible translators found out about Proverbs 8:22-30.
NET Bible screenshots.

No be maggi or medemede of emperor Constantine added by theologians

What I want is already in your post above.

Jesus became FIRST IN EVERYTHING after He died and resurrected.

Re: Who Is God Almighty Apart From His Word? by Emusan(m): 9:25am On Jul 02

Janosky:
@ Colossians 1:18 ,the beginning ,the firstborn from the dead", Paul is teaching about Jesus death & resurrection to immortal life

But the teaching didn't start from verse 18.

But see the dubious twist from you by saying "The Beginning". Paul said "He(Jesus) IS the beginning" just the way Jehovah claimed HE IS THE BEGINNING.

Jehovah is THE BEGINNING of what?

that Jesus is the first creature to taste death & resurrect to life without dying again unlike Lazarus who resurrect & died again.
Oga ,did your Bible & did Jesus teach you that God his Father died?

Jesus died as Human, Do Angel die?

Oga, Matthew 27:46 & Psalm 93-1-3 will help you upgrade your comprehension skills.
Romans 7:25, giving thanks through Jesus doesn't mean you gave thanks to Jesus likewise God created the world through his son doesn't ,can not mean what you falsely claim.- Jesus is not a creator.

Good if it doesn't mean giving thanks to Jesus.

Can you give thanks to God THROUGH ANGEL?

Can you respect your father THROUGH his dog?

If God created THE WORLD THROUGH HIS SON, does the SON part of what was CREATED THROUGH HIM?

Re: Who Is God Almighty Apart From His Word? by Emusan(m): 9:36am On Jul 02

Janosky:
Oga, continue deceiving yourself.
"BORN" according to your own Bible means created.

I'm glad you agreed that both came from the same ROOT WORD.

So when you born your children YOU CREATED THEM.

Waooo Janosky is now GOD who CREATED BABIES.

You have not removed Luke 2:7 in your Bible.
Jesus is Mary's firstborn by birth as Jesus is God's firstborn by creation,Hebrew 1:6.
After all,your Bible confirmed that God born the mountains,Ps 90:2
Firstborn of every creature is firstborn from the living.
The holy bible did not lie to you, theologians lied to you.
NET trinitarian Bible confirmed that the original meaning of firstborn is first birth, the evidence of a creature.
Firstborn of every creature is also confirmed in your Bible at Colossians 1:15.
Colossians 1:18, "firstborn from the dead is firstborn creature resurrected from the dead into immortal living.

Still dubiously changing FIRSTBORN to FIRST CREATURE is truly show how manipulative you are.

The whole CREATION ITSELF can't come through a creature.

Do you agree?

The manner you CHANGE PROTEUO to mean PROTOTOKUS proven you don't love Bible truth.

I didn't change anything.

My point is clear.

Col 1:16-18 shows Jesus is the CREATOR and when He entered the same Creations He created, HE HAS TO BECOME FIRST IN EVERYTHING which means The Term FIRSTBORN was about POSITION not BEING THE FIRST CREATURE.

This is very simple to comprehend.

You already agreed that THE UNIVERSE Come through Jesus. That enough is the end to this discussion of you're being sincere to yourself.

because WHOLE CREATIONS can't come THROUGH A created being.

It's like saying the entire production line come from the same PRODUCTION LINE.

As how now Janosky?

Na so Emusan go use the same ogboju for him mind think say Stone is the same meaning as cornerstone at Acts 4:11,because Jesus becomes the cornerstone.
He will confuse himself it's that stone & cornerstone is " same root word".

Olodo....

When he got confused, he'll be throwing himself into more confusion.

Gosh....you don't even know what it means for word to come from the same ROOT WORD o ma se ooooo.

At least you couldn't refute my point that both word come from the same ROOT WORD.

Re: Who Is God Almighty Apart From His Word? by Emusan(m): 9:38am On Jul 02

Janosky why did you run away from John 5:23?

How do you honor Jehovah?

Do you honor JESUS JUST AS you Honor Jehovah?

Can you respect dog or animal JUST AS you respect your father and mother?

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