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Go back and fix your countries!!!
Nigerians, come back and make the country workable!!!
Com let us hold our leaders accountable!!!
Tinubu the drug baron and Akpakio-led senate are bent on looting down the country!!!

Kobojunkie:
That is That statement is untrue. Had been since the 1960s. That many farmers have in the past taken to hiring undocumented migrants whom they then pay lower wages to and subject them to what amounts to slave labor, as opposed to hiring documented migrant workers for higher wages, does not make the undocumented migrants the backbone which you claim.

How does all that you have written invalidate the ascertion that if you were to abruptly remove these illegals that work in the agricultural sector as Trump attempted that would cripple the industry in the short and long term.

There are Nigerians on these SA threads who have not said anything about the PFIPC scandal. Not a word.

They haven't said a word.
They won't sign a petition demanding an independent investigation.
They won't demonstrate or protest for transparency or integrity in government.
They won't demand answers from their representatives or senators.
They won't support civil rights advocacy groups who are asking the right questions.
They won't get involved and stay the course.
They won't stand firm and prevent some other minor distraction from displacing this PFIPC matter in the news cycle.

But instead, they fight online with South Africans 24/7, with threads running several pages long.

By all means hold South Africa responsible for the assault or murder of foreigners on South African soil. There are channels to ensure that justice is served and South Africa knows this.

What will not fly is the feigned outrage on these multiple threads. I have no business lecturing South Africans on how to run their country - when my own country is falling apart at the seams.

Fix Nigeria. That is the the first order of business. Anything else is secondary.

seppuku:
➜How does all that you have written invalidate the ascertion that if you were to abruptly remove these illegals that work in the agricultural sector as Trump attempted that would cripple the industry in the short and long term.

The assertion in itself is absurd when you consider the facts behind the idea. The government has been removing on average, 3000 illegals every day, and the agricultural sector has yet to buckle. On the contrary, the agricultural sector has been receiving tremendous boosts from the government to hire more documented workers and provide better work conditions for them as well.

The U.S. farm guest worker program originated with the Immigration Act of 1917, which permitted temporary foreign labor. This formalized into the Bracero Program (1942–1964), bringing millions of Mexican workers to fill WWII agricultural shortages, and the British West Indies Labor Program for Caribbean workers.

Employers seeking to hire temporary nonimmigrant workers under the H-2A visa classification can find the AEWRs covering the agricultural labor or services to be performed. This information will assist employers in understanding their potential wage obligations to workers and preparing job orders (Form ETA-790/790A) for review by the State Workforce Agencies (SWAs) and OFLC. The terms State and statewide include the 50 States, the District of Columbia, Guam, Puerto Rico, and the U.S. Virgin Islands. Read additional background information on the AEWRs and how they are adjusted each year.

For all non-range occupations, the OFLC Administrator determines the AEWR using the average annual hourly wage for field and livestock workers (combined) for the state or region, as reported by the U.S. Department of Agriculture's Farm Labor Survey (USDA FLS). See 20 CFR 655.120(b)(1)(i) https://flag.dol.gov/wage-data/adverse-effect-wage-rates

Getting paid $40 a day for farm work is atrocious and should not be encouraged for any reason.

Fujiyama:
There are Nigerians on these SA threads who have not said anything about the PFIPC scandal. Not a word.

They haven't said a word.
They won't sign a petition demanding an independent investigation.
They won't demonstrate or protest for transparency or integrity in government.
They won't demand answers from their representatives or senators.
They won't support civil rights advocacy groups who are asking the right questions.
They won't get involved and stay the course.
They won't stand firm and prevent some other minor distraction from displacing this very serious matter.

But instead, they fight online with South Africans 24/7, with threads running several pages long.

By all means hold South Africa responsible for the assault or murder of foreigners on South African soil. There are channels to ensure that justice is served and South Africa knows this.

What will not fly is the feigned outrage on these multiple threads. I have no business lecturing South Africans on how to run their country - when my own country is falling apart at the seams.

Fix Nigeria. That is the the first order of business. Anything else is secondary.

We can walk and chew gum at the same time.

You can drive your car and scold your child misbehaving at the back seat at the same time.

Everyday people are fighting the government in Nigeria, you just choose not to see it.

seppuku:
➜We can walk and chew gum at the same time.
➜ You can drive your car and scold your child misbehaving at the back seat at the same time. Everyday people are fighting the government in Nigeria, you just choose not to see it.

Nigeria is a shift hole that its own people would rather run away from than run back to.Spit that gum out of your mouth immediately, so you can focus 1000% of your attention on Nigeria.

2. Ah! Driving while distracted is major cause of many accidents. Focus on that which matters abeg!

seppuku:
We can walk and chew gum at the same time.

You can drive your car and scold your child misbehaving at the back seat at the same time.

Everyday people are fighting the government in Nigeria, you just choose not to see it.

^^^
Agreed.

We can walk and chew gum at the same time. But are we?

Let's carry out a simple test right now. Pick a random sample of usernames on this thread blasting South Africans - and check if those usernames have said anything constructive about this PFIPC matter. The results may surprise you.

Kobojunkie:
The assertion in itself is absurd when you consider the facts behind the idea. The government has been removing on average, 3000 illegals every day, and the agricultural sector has yet to buckle. On the contrary, the agricultural sector has been receiving tremendous boosts from the government to hire more documented workers and provide better work conditions for them as well.

Getting paid $40 a day for farm work is atrocious and should not be encouraged for any reason.

Please present the counter to the below articles with evidence where I can confirm the info above.

Thank you.


https://investigatemidwest.org/2025/10/29/trumps-deportations-are-causing-farm-labor-issues-he-hasnt-presented-a-viable-long-term-solution/


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-working-on-deportation-exemptions-for-illegal-farm-and-hospitality-workers?msockid=3e307a1508c5612d3fc46d29093160bb

https://www.visaverge.com/news/trump-proposes-legal-status-for-undocumented-farmworkers-amid-debate/

Fujiyama:
^^^
Agreed.

We can walk and chew gum at the same time. But are we?

Let's carry out a simple test right now. Pick a random sample of usernames on this thread blasting South Africans - and check if those usernames have said anything constructive about this PFIPC matter. The results may surprise you.

You are being selective in your sample size. A larger number of threads on nairaland are about Nigerian issues in which we constructively engage and dispute.

RandDigital:
You can invoice us that audio $60B apartheid fund, our Minister in the Presidency already told you where you can shove your compensation claims for the current crisis 🗑️🚮🚮🚮

False hubris!

Isn't it about time you all should go reclaim your stolen gold mines or you're just content washing Boer toilets and digging mines and chasing out black Africans to seize their properties?

Kobojunkie:
Nigeria is a shift hole that its own people would rather run away from than run back to.Spit that gum out of your mouth immediately, so you can focus 1000% of your attention on Nigeria.

2. Ah! Driving while distracted is major cause of many accidents. Focus on that which matters abeg!

Unrealistic expectations.

1.There are 250 million Nigerians and I doubt 10% of that population are outside of the country so the country still has a majority of its people within the country.

2. In most instances, not all your siblings put in the same effort to take care of their aging parents or are even willing to sacrifice their own well being to fund a funeral service. Why is that you might ask?

MemoriesAndMe:
But 60,000 people in SA from Zimbabwe alone is too much. Add that to the numbers of Malawians, Nigerians and other nationals. Why wont South Africans complain of them taking up their jobs when the jobs are limited? Let them breathe for a while at least.

How
The number of Chadians, Malians, ,, Niigeriens and many others in your country nko.....?!

RandDigital:
You can't regularise an estimated 3 million undocumented migrants while your country faces a 30% unemployment rate and locals are crying out for jobs.

Most undocumented foreigners work in low skills jobs that unemployed South Africans can do but can't because foreigners work for peanuts while building back home.

The SA rand is 85 times stronger than the naira so you can imagine the remmitance.

You'll soon quickly find out that locals CAN'T do such jobs for long no matter how much you pay them. You'll also quickly find out that migrants also produce employment and GDP.

Currency exchange means nothing. Ghana Cedí is much stronger than the Rand, so what were Ghanaians doing there?

seppuku:
➜Please present the counter to the below articles with evidence where I can confirm the info above.
Thank you.
https://investigatemidwest.org/2025/10/29/trumps-deportations-are-causing-farm-labor-issues-he-hasnt-presented-a-viable-long-term-solution/
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-working-on-deportation-exemptions-for-illegal-farm-and-hospitality-workers?msockid=3e307a1508c5612d3fc46d29093160bb
https://www.visaverge.com/news/trump-proposes-legal-status-for-undocumented-farmworkers-amid-debate/

Wow... you really need to learn to read beyond the headlines at this point in time.

The reports literally explain that the plan is to enforce the migrant farmer programs which I posted(U.S has had a similar a program 1917 that allowed migrant workers to come into the U.S. legally, without receiving citizenship or the benefits thereof). See my previous post for link to the Government program that exists to date.

RandDigital:
I put up three arguments above. I see you wanna dwell on just one.

1. Illegally staying in SAa.
2. Working without proper documents for less, hence not paying tax. This giving one an unfair advantage over locals.
3. Some commiting crimes and not being traced because they're undocumented. It's easier to arrest a local because they're on the system.

My south african friend, dont expect reasonable views from people that promote illegality in nigeria.

Nigeria is an open field and not a country.

This is good

seppuku:
Unrealistic expectations. 1.There are 250 million Nigerians and I doubt 10% of that population are outside of the country so the country still has a majority of its people within the country.
2. In most instances, not all your siblings put in the same effort to take care of their aging parents or are even willing to sacrifice their own well being to fund a funeral service. Why is that you might ask?

This response is balderdash!

Svoboda:
False hubris!

Isn't it about time you all should go reclaim your stolen gold mines or you're just content washing Boer toilets and digging mines and chasing out black Africans to seize their properties?

We're fine with our progress since 1994.
🇿🇦😎

How far naija since 1960? 🇳🇬🤡🤡🤡

Kobojunkie:
Wow... you really need to learn to read beyond the headlines at this point in time.

The reports literally explain that the plan is to enforce the migrant farmer programs which I posted(U.S has had a similar a program 1917 that allowed migrant workers to come into the U.S. legally, without receiving citizenship or the benefits thereof). See my previous post for link to the Government program that exists to date.

1.If they have had a "guest worker" program since 1917, why have they not been able to establish fair wages since that point in time.

2. The introduction of these "programs" you allude to does not diminish the point that these "guest" workers constitute cheap labor and thus the backbone of the agricultural sector in comparison to the situation in South Africa where the ZImbabweans also filled these roles so I am not sure what point you are trying to make at this point?

Kobojunkie:
This response is balderdash!

What is balderdash about it. Elaborate?

seppuku:
1.If they have had a "guest worker" program since 1917, why have they not been able to establish fair wages since that point in time.
2. The introduction of these "programs" you allude to does not diminish the point that these "guest" workers constitute cheap labor
and thus the backbone of the agricultural sector
➜ in comparison to the situation in South Africa where the ZImbabweans also filled these roles so I am not sure what point you are trying to make at this point?

What in the world are you on about?

The U.S. federal minimum wage was instituted on June 25, 1938, when President Franklin D. Roosevelt signed the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938 into law. This historic legislation initially set the national minimum wage at 25 cents an hour.

See also https://flag.dol.gov/wage-data/adverse-effect-wage-rates

2. The programs, again, have been around since 1917. It does not constitute cheap labor as you claim as their is nothing cheap about a worker getting paid at least minimum wage same as every other worker out there. Labor is labor so long as it is paid at minimum market value.

Also, your claim was that illegal immigrants are the backbone of the U.S agricultural sector is unfounded,and we both know that is just propaganda and nothing more. The U.S does not support or sanction slave labor, even within its borders.

3. The Government no longer wants illegal immigrants within its border, regardless of the ridiculous claims they hold. It is that simple!

RandDigital:
We're fine with our progress since 1994.
🇿🇦😎

How far naija since 1960? 🇳🇬🤡🤡🤡

You know what, if only your apartheid lords had chosen to sterilize your women, there'd have been lots of sanity in your townships.

Kobojunkie:
2. The programs, again, have been around since 1917. It does not constitute cheap labor as you claim as their is nothing cheap about a worker getting paid at least minimum wage same as every other worker out there. Labor is labor so long as it is paid at minimum market value.

What are you on about here yourself. If the these programs have been on since the 1917 and the guest workers are being paid minimum wage, why are there a mass amount of illegal immigrants working in those industries and not "guest workers"?

Kobojunkie:
Also, your claim was that illegal immigrants are the backbone of the U.S agricultural sector is unfounded,and we both know that is just propaganda and nothing more. The U.S does not support or sanction slave labor, even within its borders.

3. The Government no longer wants illegal immigrants within its border, regardless of the ridiculous claims they hold. It is that simple!

I still don't know what you are on about yourself. Trump had to pull back on enforcing a mass action on "farm workers" because a majority of them were illegal workers. Why did he do that?

RandDigital:
On what basis - that we're undocumented, work illegally or commit crimes on Nairaland?

You should hold your Government accountable for such sickness in the country than the illegal undocumented migrants ...

Is only when your country upholds such morals that you the citizens can actually breath a fresh air...

Soon, you will see that your enemies are not the illegal migrants but your Government...

Meanwhile, hope you are reinforcing to chase away the Whites that have enslaved you for years before the Africans you are chasing away came to rescue you all

Mirasteel:
Xenophobic Africa will regret this.

the country no go regret anything.
Everybody get him own country, go and build your country

ArcSEMPECJ:
You should hold your Government accountable for such sickness in the country than the illegal undocumented migrants ...

Is only when your country upholds such morals that you the citizens can actually breath a fresh air...

Soon, you will see that your enemies are not the illegal migrants but your Government...

Meanwhile, hope you are reinforcing to chase away the Whites that have enslaved you for years before the Africans you are chasing away came to rescue you all

My brother please stop reminding them of this. They don't care at this point. They will say you are blackmailing them into PAN AFRICANISM.

marlow1962:
The people of south Africa are heading towards economical recession soon with these their xenophobia mindset.

na lie, stay in your country

Northsouth:
the country no go regret anything.
Everybody get him own country, go and build your country

Please if this is the new rhetoric, can we advocate to close the embassies as well and have them stop issuing tourist visas, study permits, work permits, spousal permits and the likes so we can draw a line in the sand and everybody face their palava?

seppuku:
➜What are you on about here yourself. If the these programs have been on since the 1917 and the guest workers are being paid minimum wage, why are there a mass amount of illegal immigrants working in those industries and not "guest workers"?
I still don't know what you are on about yourself. Trump had to pull back on enforcing a mass action on "farm workers" because a majority of them were illegal workers. Why did he do that?

You mean you have not been reading my responses to you or what?

Kobojunkie:
That is That statement is untrue. Has been since the 1960s. That many farmers have in the past taken to hiring undocumented migrants whom they then pay lower wages to and subject them to what amounts to slave labor, as opposed to hiring documented migrant workers for higher wages, does not make the undocumented migrants the backbone which you claim.

I once considered working on a farm myself back during the pandemic when I needed work. And you know how much I was told I would be paid for a days work? About $40 and this was in 2020.

I am not in the mood to keep repeating myself on this issue that has been argued to death at this point in time.

2. Again, as of today, the ICE daily deportation quota for illegal migrants remains 3000 undocumented per day.

seppuku:
You are being selective in your sample size. A larger number of threads on nairaland are about Nigerian issues in which we constructively engage and dispute.

^^^
No.

My point is that some of the most strident Nigerian voices on SA affairs have absolutely nothing to say about the goings on in their country, Nigeria. I just ran a casual check on one username on this thread who's very critical of SA (both people and government). He has said nothing on this PFIPC matter since the news broke. Absolutely nothing. And there'll no doubt be others like him/her on this platform. Even worse, there are others who fight South Africans online - and then also come online to defend the indefensible about the BAT administration.

Many Nigerians in SA are economic migrants. They are in the informal sector. Some are undocumented. They are largely unskilled or semi-skilled. They are not wealthy migrants arriving on business visas or FIPs. This causes all sorts of problems - and not just in South Africa.

If we get it together and Nigeria starts working (if not for all of us then at least the majority of us), then our migration story will change significantly.

seppuku:
My brother please stop reminding them of this. They don't care at this point. They will say you are blackmailing them into PAN AFRICANISM.

It really baffles me how Africans hate their fellow Africans....
What South Africa is having is a failed Government but instead of them to see and act on the truth ,they shifted the goal post ....

Go to UK, there are many migrants both lega and illegal but their Government is on top gear, they know how many to allow and how many not to allow...

Even in their labour market, they know the structures and utilize each individual that you can't hear that this person is taking our jaaaaaaab.....go beck to your countrieieyyy....

seppuku:
Please if this is the new rhetoric, can we advocate to close the embassies as well and have them stop issuing tourist visas, study permits, work permits, spousal permits and the likes so we can draw a line in the sand and everybody face their palava?

go ahead with your advocacy

My question to you is... Is it all black African foreigners they are chasing away.
Why no ask yourself first
Also, are you saying there are no legal black African foreigners and diplomats in south Africa right now.

Una just dey vex for nothing

Illegal na illegal
But una here too dey used to lawlessness no to understand lawfulness