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I mean, he televises he could raise the dead, heal the sick, undo a nation's suffering, drinks tea with God, speaks to God, and God speaks to him, but why does he have a sign language interpreter to converse with deaf people instead of healing the "real" deaf people?

chatinent:
I mean, he televises he could raise the dead, heal the sick, undo a nation's suffering, drinks tea with God, speaks to God, and God speaks to him, but why does he have a sign language interpreter to converse with deaf people instead of healing the "real" dead people?

That’s a good question there 👍🏼

E don tey wey I hear say all these big churches for town don catch witch and wizard, abi witch and wizard no dey town again ni?

Isn't it interesting that, as soon as social media boomed, and it became easy for things to be verified or ascertained as fake, miracles at crusades also ceased?

The truth is, religion has a role in society, but its role is not to alter biology. It's to guide people on a spiritual journey and hopefully have their way of life altered to reflect the heaven they aim for.

But if these men realize that a society like sensationalism, then that's when they start performative religion for y'all.

There were ton of American "televangelists" who made such bold claims of miracles in times past, but they dare not these days. Na your own church members go sue you.

Well there are 2 different routes to arrive at reasons for the whys, one through biblical gibberish and the other through logical reasoning. Firstly, according to the bible in Exodus 4:11 - "The LORD said to him, 'Who gave human beings their mouths? Who makes them deaf or mute? Who gives them sight or makes them blind? Is it not I, the LORD?'" So it could be said the "all loving" god who made them that way has simply decided to keep them that way and not grant healing to them for some obscure reason, even though he claims to love them so much. So less of the pastor's fault here - even though he might be a con artist - but as I said, gibberish.

Moving on through the second route. If you notice throughout history in general and that of christainity you'd notice an interesting pattern about supernatural claims - it thrives in gaps of our understanding of reality and retreats with the speed of light from falsifiability. There are 3 gaps in particular where these claims love to thrive - Gaps in our knowledge, gaps in our means to document and collect evidence and lastly the falsification gap. In the old testament you'd notice the grandiosity of the supernatural claims - fortified city walls crumbling from just singing, water flooding the whole planet, the frigging sun standing still, pillars of ice and fire appearing fron nowhere, whole cities wiped out by hail and fire from above etc.

Very very bold claims that somehow thrived because of gaps in our knowledge as we were largely ignorant of objective reality, we had no way to investigate or document stuff until much much later and no way to test if a claim is true or false. So anything goes, by the time you get to the new testament you'd notice the grandiosity of the supernatural claims are a bit toned down, save for the thousands of dead people waltzing into the city to meet their loved ones, which conveniently no contemporary thought to document, much less verify and falsify for something so bizzare.

Forward to today and we've gained so much knowledge. To the extent every single mystery attributed to the supernatural that bordered on our ignorance - that we've been able to gain knowledge about and investigate - has usually been demonstrated to be nothing supernatural, leaving the supernatural currently with a failure rate of a 100%. Now if a mysterious event happens in a remote village in China, I would have my hands on documented evidence within an hr of said event, while living in a separate corner of the world. And the mysterious event would be easily investigated as we have the tech and then falsified to know if it's this or that. Take those fake "Alien fossils" found in Mexico for example.

This makes it way more difficult than before for your pastors and proponents of supernatural claims to make them with ease, ergo you have a reduction in the number of claims and the grandiosity of the claims. So now these claims retreat to the small remaining gaps of unfalsifiablility and thrive at the borders of ambiguity, where the claims are indistinguishable from sheer luck, random coincidence or mere probability. You won't be seeing any pastors raising the dead anytime soon nor amputees regaining limbs, but you'd see those in wheel chairs 'walking' again. Halleluyah.

Stephen0mozzy:
The truth is, religion has a role in society!

Do you truly want to know the role that religion supposed to play?🤔

MaxInDHouse:
Do you truly want to know the role that religion supposed to play?🤔

I think I know. But let's hear yours... I just might unlearn and relearn.

Stephen0mozzy:
I think I know. But let's hear yours... I just might unlearn and relearn.

The role of religion is to guide obedient humans to the doing of God's will. Matthew 7:21
But first of all we need to ascertain what the will of God is.
The will of God is clearly stated in what God said in the beginning:

“Be fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving on the earth.” Genesis 1:28

So the true religion supposed to gather all faithful, sincere, honest hearted and obedient humans to work together as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers! Isaiah 2:2-4

This is what Jesus said will be the role Christianity supposed to play while the Christians globally view their fellow believers as one family {Mark 10:30} and love will bind them together just as Jesus loves his disciples! John 13:34-35

This love differ from that which was mentioned in the old testament saying "love your neighbor as yourself" {Leviticus 19:18; Matthew 22:39} this one only exists among Christ's friends! John 13:34-35

So any religion that fails to achieve this among its adherents is fake because Jesus said it's this love that will serve as identifying mark of his true disciples! John 13:34-35

MaxInDHouse:
The role of religion is to guide obedient humans to the doing of God's will. Matthew 7:21
But first of all we need to ascertain what the will of God is.
The will of God is clearly stated in what God said in the beginning:

“Be fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving on the earth.” Genesis 1:28

So the true religion supposed to gather all faithful, sincere, honest hearted and obedient humans to work together as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers! Isaiah 2:2-4

This is what Jesus said will be the role Christianity supposed to play while the Christians globally view their fellow believers as one family {Mark 10:30} and love will bind them together just as Jesus loves his disciples! John 13:34-35

This love differ from that which was mentioned in the old testament saying "love your neighbor as yourself" {Leviticus 19:18; Matthew 22:39} this one only exists among Christ's friends! John 13:34-35

So any religion that fails to achieve this among its adherents is fake because Jesus said it's this love that will serve as identifying mark of his true disciples! John 13:34-35

Thanks for sharing the Christian perspective.
And as you said, universally, religion's role is to guide mankind to God.

Sadly many delegated that journey to others, letting others serve as middlemen and idols to God, and that's how religion was soiled into being a destructive too today - opium of the masses.

Stephen0mozzy:
Thanks for sharing the Christian perspective.
And as you said, universally, religion's role is to guide mankind to God.

Sadly many delegated that journey to others, letting others serve as middlemen and idols to God, and that's how religion was soiled into being a destructive too today - opium of the masses.

Thankfully Jesus has been separating his own friends since his return {Matthew 25:31-32} and today he has restored true Christianity but you'll be shocked to know the name God gave His worshipers after that separation work Jesus did! Isaiah 65:15🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Thankfully Jesus has been separating his own friends since his return {Matthew 25:31-32} and today he has restored true Christianity but you'll be shocked to know the name God gave His worshipers after that separation work Jesus did! Isaiah 65:15🙂

Lol. Serving the Jehovah Witness cool aid at any opportunity, aint it? Lol 😆