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| Denominations And Denominationalism Are Not Of God by Strafudeenwife(op): 7:52pm On Jul 11 |
the widespread misconception that the Church of Jesus Christ is sick or corrupted etc is very very wrong. the Church is PERFECT!!! Jesus Christ himself is the one building the Church. what is sick , corrupt, unspiritual and in decay is the human invention called the churches. these denominations of whatever name are at complete variance with the idea of Church Jesus Christ had. they are human concoctions that have gone the way if all flesh...DEATH! I hope to continue to throw more light on the subject of the true Church and the true Faith of God and his Christ subsequently. will be glad to hear others opinions. |
| Re: Denominations And Denominationalism Are Not Of God by Strafudeenwife(op): 8:10pm On Jul 11 |
denominations are not of God Strafudeenwife: |
| Re: Denominations And Denominationalism Are Not Of God by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:17pm On Jul 11 |
Strafudeenwife:Are you really ready for the TRUTH? Because it's a path that's inconvenient so most people love the easy broad road! Matthew 7:13-14 |
| Re: Denominations And Denominationalism Are Not Of God by achorladey: 11:39pm On Jul 11 |
As long as they have rules, regulations, policies and procedures to keep their human establishments going and ensure it's survival it will always conflicts with the scriptures |
| Re: Denominations And Denominationalism Are Not Of God by paxonel(m): 6:35am On Jul 12 |
Op, if you are CHURCH OF CHRIST , you are scam too |
| Re: Denominations And Denominationalism Are Not Of God by Strafudeenwife(op): 5:32pm On Jul 12 |
paxonel:I'm not! I don't believe in denominations. I don't believe any physical organisation is the Church |
| Re: Denominations And Denominationalism Are Not Of God by Strafudeenwife(op): 5:33pm On Jul 12 |
achorladey:hmmm...I agree with this. but I need to hear more about your understanding of Church to know if I fully agree |
| Re: Denominations And Denominationalism Are Not Of God by Strafudeenwife(op): 5:33pm On Jul 12 |
MaxInDHouse:totally ready 😊 |
| Re: Denominations And Denominationalism Are Not Of God by achorladey: 5:43pm On Jul 12 |
Strafudeenwife:My understanding started here ..... For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.” ..... 1 Corinthians.... 10 I appeal to you, brothers and sisters,[a] in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought. 11 My brothers and sisters, some from Chloe’s household have informed me that there are quarrels among you. 12 What I mean is this: One of you says, “I follow Paul”; another, “I follow Apollos”; another, “I follow Cephas ”; still another, “I follow Christ.” 13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized in the name of Paul? 14 I thank God that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15 so no one can say that you were baptized in my name. So when they started to gather in name of various denominations scattered all over the world today, you know where the problem started from. |
| Re: Denominations And Denominationalism Are Not Of God by Strafudeenwife(op): 7:35pm On Jul 12 |
achorladey:all of this aligns with my own views on church. but calling out the problem is the easy part. what in your view constitutes true Church? |
| Re: Denominations And Denominationalism Are Not Of God by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:38pm On Jul 12*. Modified: 9:59pm On Jul 12 |
Strafudeenwife:The true church has a mission which is to gather and unite obedient humans from all the nations of the earth {Isaiah 2:2-4} if you carefully read verse 4 that i cited you will see that these people from different countries throughout the world will become like one big and happy global family of peace loving worshipers. How is that going to be possible? Well that is the work of the wonderful counselor to be born among the Jews! Isaiah 9:6 So when Jesus sent his disciples out to preach and teach people throughout the earth {Matthew 28:18-20} the aim is to make love reign among themselves {John 13:34-35} as you are having hundreds of families anywhere you go {Mark 10:28-30} because you all share the same line of thought! John 17:22 So after Jesus' ascension to heaven the people seeing his disciples started calling the group by different names: Nazarenes~ because Jesus is from a city called Nazareth. The Way~ because Jesus claimed to be the only way to God's presence. Christians~ because they are disciples of a young Jewish man whose followers are calling him Christ. No matter what they say Jesus' friends were willing to be ridiculed for the love they had for their Master Lord and future King. Matthew 10:33 But is that the name God intended to call His worshipers? The answer is NO! WHY? Because either The Way, Nazarenes or Christians is limited to followers of Jesus alone whereas there has been lots and lots of faithful servants of God before Jesus walked the earth. So what does God have in mind to call His worshipers? Well God hid that for thousands of years allowing Satan's agents to misuse any group name fabricated by people who want to mock His worshipers so different religions with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines started claiming Christians until when God began separating sheep-like people from among goat-like ones. This separation work took more than seventy years till the year 1931 when God declared the group name He wanted to call all His faithful worshipers from the time of Abel till today {Hebrews 11:4-34; 12:1} though God said He will destroy all false religions and their adherents but His own faithful servants He will call by another group name: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15 That is why only this group perfectly fits in to all the descriptions Jesus gave regarding his future disciples and just as he foretold throughout the world all the people will hate them and whoever has to do with them! Luke 21:17🙂 |
| Re: Denominations And Denominationalism Are Not Of God by achorladey: 10:35pm On Jul 12 |
Strafudeenwife:See this.... John 15 “I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. 2 He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes[a] so that it will be even more fruitful. 3 You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. 4 Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me. 5 “I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. 7 If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. 8 This is to my Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples. |
| Re: Denominations And Denominationalism Are Not Of God by capnies: 12:30am On Jul 13 |
MaxInDHouse:BY THEIR FRUITS YE SHALL KNOW THEM! JWs ARE FAR FROM CHRIST HATERS. TWO COMMANDMENTS FROM OGA JESU LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOURS AS YOURSELF. Here JWS STORE ZERO. |
| Re: Denominations And Denominationalism Are Not Of God by Strafudeenwife(op): 2:19am On Jul 13 |
seen. waiting for you to show what the true Church is in our real world reality from that scripture achorladey: |
| Re: Denominations And Denominationalism Are Not Of God by Strafudeenwife(op): 2:34am On Jul 13 |
so let me understand this. the identifying parameter for the true Church is a name they bear... Jehovah's witnesses; and so all bearing that NAME constitute the true Church. is that your position? MaxInDHouse: |
| Re: Denominations And Denominationalism Are Not Of God by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:38am On Jul 13*. Modified: 7:28am On Jul 13 |
Strafudeenwife:NO! The name is just to direct you to where you should focus if you want to know how true religion should be just like the ancient nation of Israel God established that nation and called them His people because that is the only nation worshiping the one and only true God but that doesn't mean all Israelites are faithfully doing what God commanded. The same applies to Jesus' disciples. When Jesus walked the planet in the first century only those following him has the light among them while all other religions no matter where they are remains in spiritual darkness but that doesn't mean all followers of Jesus are faithfully doing what he taught. So the same applies today if you want to know how true religion should be organized and practiced only Jehovah's Witnesses have the truth but that doesn't mean all members are faithfully doing what is required. These are the signs to identify the one and only true religion: They will gather people from all nations and make them disciples of the Prince of Peace. Matthew 28:19-20; Act 1:8 They will no longer get involved in the political struggles of this world {John 17:14-16} because they believe in God's government or God's Kingdom which they are zealously preaching! Matthew 10:7 Since they don't participate in politics there is no way Satan can instigate them against anyone be it neighbor or fellow believers so when it comes to WARS {Revelation 6:3-4} something that is caused by racism and favoritism they will turn away! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3 They will view all their fellow believers as members of the same spiritual family {Mark 10:28-30} and the whole world will admit that there is love among them. John 13:34-35 And due to their unwavering faith in the teachings of Jesus Christ most people who can't fully adhere to Jesus' teachings or those who finds it difficult to understand Jesus' teachings will hate them. Matthew 24:9 They will only form marriage alliance with their fellow believers. 1Corinthans 7:39 compare to Deuteronomy 7:3-4 They will be the most peaceful group on planet earth. Matthew 10:16 All these things i found among Jehovah's Witnesses that is why i left my former religion (Islam) for the true religion! |
| Re: Denominations And Denominationalism Are Not Of God by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:39am On Jul 13*. Modified: 7:31am On Jul 13 |
capnies:How did Jesus teach his disciples to love their neighbors?🤔 If we know how Jesus taught his friends to love their neighbors then we will look at the way Jehovah's Witnesses are practicing their love to know if they are following Jesus or not! |
| Re: Denominations And Denominationalism Are Not Of God by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:53am On Jul 13 |
Strafudeenwife:The church of Christ is surely a physical organization that is why observers who noticed the movement could give them group names like: *Sect of the Nazarene. Act 24:5 *The Way. Act 22:4 * Christians. Act 11:26 |
| Re: Denominations And Denominationalism Are Not Of God by achorladey: 10:20am On Jul 13 |
Strafudeenwife:I hope you are not expecting me to point to an organisation of men called denominations. There is nothing to point to in that direction. |
| Re: Denominations And Denominationalism Are Not Of God by Strafudeenwife(op): 10:51am On Jul 13 |
achorladey:nobody is expecting you to point to anything. I already told you I don't believe in denominations. anyone with half a brain knows denominations and physical church constructs cannot be the true Church. that being said, you still need to do the work of identifying what constitutes true Church in our earthly reality. to discern the body as it were. |
| Re: Denominations And Denominationalism Are Not Of God by Strafudeenwife(op): 10:59am On Jul 13 |
so the name points me to a group that exclusive holds the truth, but yet that group can have false members and followers whom I should not take to really represent the group. in other words there is a group within the group that is the true church or is it that any member may stray from the truth of the group and that wouldn't delegitimize the group because the membership doesn't necessarily equate to the group , but the group is distinct from it's members![]() help me understand this MaxInDHouse: |
| Re: Denominations And Denominationalism Are Not Of God by Strafudeenwife(op): 11:08am On Jul 13 |
MaxInDHouse:ok so by this you are saying that when people observed social gatherings centred around the the Jesus sect from Nazareth their describing them with names correctly identifies them as the true Church? so when they identified Ananias and saphira as members and followers of the way, or the Pharisees who believed but Insisted on circumcising Christians, or even the errant groups in Asia minor who were identical churches but were rebuked by Jesus for being false... when outsiders say... these are Christians etc does that make such errant people and groups the true Church?? |
| Re: Denominations And Denominationalism Are Not Of God by achorladey: 12:13pm On Jul 13*. Modified: 12:56pm On Jul 13 |
Strafudeenwife:Good, can clarify what you mean by the true Church. Emphasis on qualifying word true. |
| Re: Denominations And Denominationalism Are Not Of God by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:49pm On Jul 13 |
Strafudeenwife:There has never been a time when the worshipers of the true God became perfect so there will always be one thing or another to warn them about for a correction to be made but then it's only his church that Jesus sent messages to not all religions. Meanwhile you didn't address the main point: Below is what will help you to IDENTIFY the true church and not the minor flaws of imperfect humans. MaxInDHouse: |
| Re: Denominations And Denominationalism Are Not Of God by Strafudeenwife(op): 1:32pm On Jul 13 |
you have to provide a definition of the Church for me to work with. you proposed a group ...the Jehovah's witnesses, and I'm interrogating that opinion. we obviously have to look at group dynamics. if you believe a physical group is the Church , then let's look at how groups function. so there's nothing minor about my concerns. if the group is the Church but I can't look to it's members to show me what church should be then I have to disagree with the entire framing of the group as the church. if some of the members are accurate and are thus the Church, tell me who those members are ....all I'm trying to do is to identify the CHURCH again if the inanimate organisation the Jehovah's witnesses on its own as a corporation without any members is the Church...feel free to say. MaxInDHouse: |
| Re: Denominations And Denominationalism Are Not Of God by Strafudeenwife(op): 1:35pm On Jul 13 |
achorladey:there is only one idea of Church that Jesus espoused. that's what I call true Church as opposed to the multitude of concepts about church that exist today |
| Re: Denominations And Denominationalism Are Not Of God by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:52pm On Jul 13 |
Strafudeenwife:The church means a group of believers not a group of perfect humans so what matters is how they should operate as stated by Jesus the head of the church. The function of the church is to gather all obedient humans throughout the earth and make them one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers. Isaiah 2:2-4 compare to Act 1:8 So they must be united in thought and their judgement must be the same everywhere they are. John 17:22 That is what will make the bond among them strong and unbreakable. John 13:34-35 But that doesn't mean you will not find flaws because they are still imperfect humans! Matthew 26:41🙂 |
| Re: Denominations And Denominationalism Are Not Of God by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:54pm On Jul 13 |
Strafudeenwife:Different religions with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines today are not Christians. True Christianity doesn't welcome interfaith we must all believe the same thing if we are followers of the same Christ! John 17:22; Romans 16:17; 1Corinthans 1:10 |
| Re: Denominations And Denominationalism Are Not Of God by achorladey: 2:50pm On Jul 13 |
Strafudeenwife:Alright |
| Re: Denominations And Denominationalism Are Not Of God by Strafudeenwife(op): 7:22pm On Jul 13 |
MaxInDHouse:I don't believe in interfaith...ecumenism...all of that. now get to the point, answer my concerns |
| Re: Denominations And Denominationalism Are Not Of God by Truthseeker10: 7:48pm On Jul 13 |
Strafudeenwife:You have been bombarding the opinions of others here without telling us what the true church is on earth today even when you said you would do so. So when are we going to get your own explanation? |
| Re: Denominations And Denominationalism Are Not Of God by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:01pm On Jul 13*. Modified: 7:22am On Jul 15 |
Strafudeenwife:I asked you from the onset if you want to know the truth because it's going to make you uncomfortable. There is only one church of Christ and today God has given them a new group name to distinguish them from all false religions claiming Christians. See what sincere observers are saying about the one and only true church of Christ even though they don't know that is what they are saying in essence: freethinker01: BafanaBafana: APOPTOSIS: Oye0404: XXLDICK: boss1310: Love800: Deway52: DeepSight: HardMirror: Now is your turn to present what you want or how you feel the true church should be but please don't bring what was never obtainable even in Bible times o!🙂 |
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or is it that any member may stray from the truth of the group and that wouldn't delegitimize the group because the membership doesn't necessarily equate to the group , but the group is distinct from it's members