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Re: Chidimma Adetshina Heads to Court to Challenge Deportation From S.A (Video) by seppuku: 3:13pm On Jul 17
ednut1:
south africa is not like Nigeria where records are bad. If she cannot prove that she was born in SA and with her mother circumstances of fake identity. Then SA can legally deport her. What kind of name is chidinma adetsina too . Keep whining
I don't think there is a dispute currently with her place of birth and as far as her name is concerned you should also be asking what kind of name is Segun Arinze?
Re: Chidimma Adetshina Heads to Court to Challenge Deportation From S.A (Video) by seppuku: 3:14pm On Jul 17
Bahamas95:
What exactly is wrong with this girl? undecided

Is SA the only country on earth?


I wonder how she would feel comfortable with enemies around her.
If you were born and grew up in England your whole entire life wouldn't you be oriented towards that country.

Some people just like to talk.
Re: Chidimma Adetshina Heads to Court to Challenge Deportation From S.A (Video) by seppuku: 3:15pm On Jul 17
ufotunang:
.. even if she wins the case in court and continuing staying in south Africa..she will not be safe.
They can eliminate her
She is safer in the republic of the Western cape where she currently resides.

Any where else is a danger.
Re: Chidimma Adetshina Heads to Court to Challenge Deportation From S.A (Video) by seppuku: 3:17pm On Jul 17
ednut1:
there is no hospital proofs of her being born in South Africa. Its suspected that her mother brought her from Mozambique as a child
Who told you that?
Re: Chidimma Adetshina Heads to Court to Challenge Deportation From S.A (Video) by seppuku: 3:18pm On Jul 17
Mrexcell:
What about relocating to other saner countries she will definitely be welcomed warmly because of her status? The girl is just foolishly obsessed with SA.
She should relocate to US or Canada like Elon must and them. Her case will definitely be approved.
Re: Chidimma Adetshina Heads to Court to Challenge Deportation From S.A (Video) by JaceBlaze: 3:31pm On Jul 17
seppuku:
Jace Jace Jace.

You must read your immigration law very well. This is why we leave such matters to expert immigration lawyers to handle and not uneducated South Africans who are just reading their constitution for the first time.

If its a cut and dry case, She would have been gone by now.

I wonder what her lawyers are arguing are the grounds for her stay in SA.

Hmmmmm?
South Africa doesn't do birthright citizenship
Re: Chidimma Adetshina Heads to Court to Challenge Deportation From S.A (Video) by seppuku: 3:41pm On Jul 17
JaceBlaze:
South Africa doesn't do birthright citizenship
You do know that there was a period children born to Legal residents within the country were accorded citizenship by birth right?

You do know that children born in the country designated as stateless acquired birthright citizenship right?

You do know that there was a clarification of children born outside the country to a South African citizen being "redesignated" as South Africans by birth ( birthright citizenship) and not by descent, right?

Like I said leave these things to the immigration experts and ready your constitution properly cause your hate for any other person claiming to be "you" will blind you from common sense.
Re: Chidimma Adetshina Heads to Court to Challenge Deportation From S.A (Video) by JaceBlaze: 4:36pm On Jul 17
seppuku:
You do know that there was a period children born to Legal residents within the country were accorded citizenship by birth right?

You do know that children born in the country designated as stateless acquired birthright citizenship right?

You do know that there was a clarification of children born outside the country to a South African citizen being "redesignated" as South Africans by birth ( birthright citizenship) and not by descent, right?

Like I said leave these things to the immigration experts and ready your constitution properly cause your hate for any other person claiming to be "you" will blind you from common sense.
South Africa does not do birthright citizenship
Re: Chidimma Adetshina Heads to Court to Challenge Deportation From S.A (Video) by seppuku:
JaceBlaze:
South Africa does not do birthright citizenship
Its cognitive dissonance. The technicalities too difficult for you. I understand my Brada. That's why people like Jacinta qualify as your leaders.

"South Africa does not offer unconditional birthright citizenship; citizenship is primarily granted based on parentage (jus sanguinis), not solely by being born in the country.
Current Legal Framework
Under the South African Citizenship Act of 1995, any child born to at least one South African parent automatically receives citizenship at birth, regardless of the child’s place of birth

This reflects the principle of jus sanguinis (“right of blood”) rather than jus soli (“right of the soil”), meaning that citizenship is inherited from the parents rather than granted simply by being born in South Africa

Children born in South Africa to foreign parents do not automatically acquire citizenship. Instead, they may claim South African citizenship later, but only under specific conditions: the child must have been registered at birth, lived in South Africa until reaching the age of majority, and submit a formal application to claim citizenship

This process ensures that citizenship is not automatic for children of non-citizen parents.

Before 2013, South Africa allowed a form of conditional birthright citizenship children born in the country to at least one permanent resident parent were automatically considered citizens at birth

.However, the Citizenship Amendment Act of 2010, effective from January 1, 2013, curtailed this policy. Now, children born in South Africa to non-citizen parents only acquire citizenship if they would otherwise be stateless, and citizenship claims require a formal application after"
Re: Chidimma Adetshina Heads to Court to Challenge Deportation From S.A (Video) by JaceBlaze: 5:34pm On Jul 17
seppuku:
Its cognitive dissonance. The technicalities too difficult for you. I understand my Brada. That's why people like Jacinta qualify as your leaders.

"South Africa does not offer unconditional birthright citizenship; citizenship is primarily granted based on parentage (jus sanguinis), not solely by being born in the country.
Current Legal Framework
Under the South African Citizenship Act of 1995, any child born to at least one South African parent automatically receives citizenship at birth, regardless of the child’s place of birth

This reflects the principle of jus sanguinis (“right of blood”) rather than jus soli (“right of the soil”), meaning that citizenship is inherited from the parents rather than granted simply by being born in South Africa

Children born in South Africa to foreign parents do not automatically acquire citizenship. Instead, they may claim South African citizenship later, but only under specific conditions: the child must have been registered at birth, lived in South Africa until reaching the age of majority, and submit a formal application to claim citizenship

This process ensures that citizenship is not automatic for children of non-citizen parents.

Before 2013, South Africa allowed a form of conditional birthright citizenship children born in the country to at least one permanent resident parent were automatically considered citizens at birth

.However, the Citizenship Amendment Act of 2010, effective from January 1, 2013, curtailed this policy. Now, children born in South Africa to non-citizen parents only acquire citizenship if they would otherwise be stateless, and citizenship claims require a formal application after"
I just wanna make sure we don't sway off track:

South Africa does not do birthright citizenship
Re: Chidimma Adetshina Heads to Court to Challenge Deportation From S.A (Video) by seppuku: 5:40pm On Jul 17
JaceBlaze:
I just wanna make sure we don't sway off track:

South Africa does not do birthright citizenship
Yes with the key words being "unconditional" versus "specific conditions."

This is why laymen who just read the immigration act and constitution for the first time shouldn't be commenting or making sweeping statements.

We leave that to the lawyers and immigration experts.
Re: Chidimma Adetshina Heads to Court to Challenge Deportation From S.A (Video) by JaceBlaze: 6:16pm On Jul 17
seppuku:
Yes with the key words being "unconditional" versus "specific conditions."

This is why laymen who just read the immigration act and constitution for the first time shouldn't be commenting or making sweeping statements.

We leave that to the lawyers and immigration experts.
Let's ring it out loud one more time so another future japajerian from Makoko doesn't get any ideas:

South Africa does not do birthright citizenship
Re: Chidimma Adetshina Heads to Court to Challenge Deportation From S.A (Video) by seppuku: 6:23pm On Jul 17
JaceBlaze:
Let's ring it out loud one more time so another future japajerian from Makoko doesn't get any ideas:

South Africa does not do birthright citizenship
Yes, circular reasoning produces cognitive dissonance.

"South Africa does not do birthright citizenship because we just don't do it.

on this basis, I declare, you are not a citizen by "birth" Jace.
Re: Chidimma Adetshina Heads to Court to Challenge Deportation From S.A (Video) by seppuku: 6:31pm On Jul 17
Originalsly:
Isn't this a discussion forum? What does the law say that prevents her from being South African? If you can't say then you should be quiet and not engage.... making headlines with no details to follow up.
She has grounds to challenge it but there are some aspects of the law that can be argued against her as well.

It will come down to the interpretation of the law that governs the "conditions" in which she can claim citizenship.
Re: Chidimma Adetshina Heads to Court to Challenge Deportation From S.A (Video) by seppuku: 6:34pm On Jul 17
uniquetechng:
Busayo Saka has every right as a British citizen just as Chidinma do have rights in SA, if anything happens to Busayo Saka in the UK tomorrow she has every right to seek redress in a competent court of law and so does Chidinma. That doesn't affect their Nigeria roots in any way.
Saka's case is very very different.
Re: Chidimma Adetshina Heads to Court to Challenge Deportation From S.A (Video) by ednut1(m): 7:48pm On Jul 17
seppuku:
I don't think there is a dispute currently with her place of birth and as far as her name is concerned you should also be asking what kind of name is Segun Arinze?
yoruba father , igbo mother. Nothing special there. How does an igbo lady named “Chidimma Vanessa Onwe Adetshina“ have an igbo father and Mozambique mother but surname is Adetsina . What the hell is Adetsinahuh
Re: Chidimma Adetshina Heads to Court to Challenge Deportation From S.A (Video) by ednut1(m): 7:50pm On Jul 17
seppuku:
Who told you that?

Re: Chidimma Adetshina Heads to Court to Challenge Deportation From S.A (Video) by Bahamas95(m): 8:24pm On Jul 17
seppuku:
If you were born and grew up in England your whole entire life wouldn't you be oriented towards that country.

Some people just like to talk.
Oga, listen to me. I don't care if I was born on Jupiter. If I'm no longer wanted in a place and there's every possibility that I could be attacked by angry people, I'll leave without caring how long I've lived there.

What Chidimma is doing now is no different from a woman who chooses to remain in an abusive marriage.
Re: Chidimma Adetshina Heads to Court to Challenge Deportation From S.A (Video) by morpheus24: 8:28pm On Jul 17
ednut1:
yoruba father , igbo mother. Nothing special there. How does an igbo lady named “Chidimma Vanessa Onwe Adetshina“ have an igbo father and Mozambique mother but surname is Adetsina . What the hell is Adetsinahuh
Adetsina is a mispelling of the proper name Adeshina or Adesina.

The last name is likely from her father or former husband who created a made up identity from Nigeria to enter South Africa as we all know is done.

What is mysterious and inplausible about that?
Re: Chidimma Adetshina Heads to Court to Challenge Deportation From S.A (Video) by morpheus24: 8:32pm On Jul 17
Bahamas95:
Oga, listen to me. I don't care if I was born on Jupiter. If I'm no longer wanted in a place and there's every possibility that I could be attacked by angry people, I'll leave without caring how long I've lived there.

What Chidimma is doing now is no different from a woman who chooses to remain in an abusive marriage.
but not everyone in South Africa is hateful and xenophobic or are they?
Re: Chidimma Adetshina Heads to Court to Challenge Deportation From S.A (Video) by morpheus24: 8:41pm On Jul 17
@ednut1

Please understand the mother stole someones ID NUMBER and not the actual wouldbe girls identity.

The home affairs official swapped the original with Chidnma particulars thats how Home affairs was able to flag it as a duplicate years later


SA ID's are based off dates of birth.
Re: Chidimma Adetshina Heads to Court to Challenge Deportation From S.A (Video) by JaceBlaze: 9:03pm On Jul 17
seppuku:
Yes, circular reasoning produces cognitive dissonance.

"South Africa does not do birthright citizenship because we just don't do it.

on this basis, I declare, you are not a citizen by "birth" Jace.
The king of circular arguments is complaining about circular arguments.

Imagine the migraines we had to suffer through.
Re: Chidimma Adetshina Heads to Court to Challenge Deportation From S.A (Video) by morpheus24: 9:16pm On Jul 17
kiddaz:
By South African laws, she's not and can never be A South African. Have knowledge before arguing what you know nothing about
I diasgree with the part where you state "can never be"

This is no more than an emotional response and has nothing to do with Law.
Re: Chidimma Adetshina Heads to Court to Challenge Deportation From S.A (Video) by morpheus24: 9:23pm On Jul 17
JaceBlaze:
The king of circular arguments is complaining about circular arguments.

Imagine the migraines we had to suffer through.
You are shooting blanks because you have nothing left.

Please let us know if you are a citizenship by birth in your country Jace or are you a citizen by descent?

Waiting!
Re: Chidimma Adetshina Heads to Court to Challenge Deportation From S.A (Video) by ednut1(m): 9:39pm On Jul 17
morpheus24:
Adetsina is a mispelling of the proper name Adeshina or Adesina.

The last name is likely from her father or former husband who created a made up identity from Nigeria to enter South Africa as we all know is done.

What is mysterious and inplausible about that?
Her father is igbo lol naso

Re: Chidimma Adetshina Heads to Court to Challenge Deportation From S.A (Video) by morpheus24: 9:44pm On Jul 17
ednut1:
Her father is igbo lol naso
Which is why I said her father or husband.

You have not seen Benin man in dubai answering Lateef Mustapha Akeju thats why you are talking.
Re: Chidimma Adetshina Heads to Court to Challenge Deportation From S.A (Video) by ednut1(m): 10:36pm On Jul 17
morpheus24:
Which is why I said her father or husband.

You have not seen Benin man in dubai answering Lateef Mustapha Akeju thats why you are talking.
baba stop making excuses where there is non. If South Africa dont have strong evidence they wont revoke her documents
Re: Chidimma Adetshina Heads to Court to Challenge Deportation From S.A (Video) by morpheus24: 10:46pm On Jul 17
ednut1:
baba stop making excuses where there is non. If South Africa dont have strong evidence they wont revoke her documents
I am simply stating the facts what is making excuses about that?

They revoked the stolen particulars now they have to "invalidate" her presence in the country which entails more than just withdrawing documents. I pray she has some good lawyers. I know capetown has some good ones which is why her case should be tried there?

Please note that during this bruhaha she was able to exit and renter the country. You don't want to ask how she was able to do that?

DId they put South African visa on her Nigerian passport when she was reentering the country?
Re: Chidimma Adetshina Heads to Court to Challenge Deportation From S.A (Video) by ufotunang: 11:05pm On Jul 17
seppuku:
She is safer in the republic of the Western cape where she currently resides.

Any where else is a danger.
.how..?..is they no hatered or xenophobic activities there against other Africans residing in western cape
Re: Chidimma Adetshina Heads to Court to Challenge Deportation From S.A (Video) by Cousin9999: 11:13pm On Jul 17
She's gonna have to leave the country. It's messed up, but it is what it is. She's young and she has a lot of options in front of her. This won't be easy, but she'll be stronger for it. And SA isn't even a great place anyway.
Re: Chidimma Adetshina Heads to Court to Challenge Deportation From S.A (Video) by Originalsly:
seppuku:
She has grounds to challenge it but there are some aspects of the law that can be argued against her as well.

It will come down to the interpretation of the law that governs the "conditions" in which she can claim citizenship.
No doubt... there can be conditions that will prevent her from having full citizenship despite being born in South Africa. But are there such conditions? If there are none .. then she should win her case. If they are determined to deport her ... then they can add the conditions to make them do so legally.
PS
Just read a comment from JaceBlaze stating there is no birthright law. Interesting ... a game changer to our discussions ... followed it up and came up with this below. My opinion now? It can go either way ... depending on the required evidence she has ... mainly proof of birth ... and proof that she lived in the country continuously since birth. Her lawyer has to know this ... and I guess he has the evidence and is moving forward with confidence. With the mother's shady past .. I can see the problem being if the documents presented as proof are legit. The case can go either way

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