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When we say someone is saved what does it implies?
It implies that the person was born into a Christian home or he was converted into Christianity from whatever religion he had practiced previously before he joined Christianity.
The Christian Faith is the basis of salvation in the context of the bible.

Romans 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Once you are into this Christian Faith irrespective of the church you attend, it is very difficult to convert you away from the Faith so that you go practice other religions, hence once saved is always saved.

Now, don't bring the issue of sin or righteous living here, because it doesn't apply

Romans 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

Be aware of who you are as a Christian

The problem of this world is religion.

Me I have repented. I am now a burnt again

When I was growing up, the church that me and my sister used to attend, mehn those people scared the hell out of me about their God.

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paxonel:
When we say someone is saved what does it implies?
It implies that the person was born into a Christian home or he was converted into Christianity from whatever religion he had practiced previously before he joined Christianity.
The Christian Faith is the basis of salvation in the context of the bible.

Romans 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Once you are into this Christian Faith irrespective of the church you attend, it is very difficult to convert you away from the Faith so that you go practice other religions, hence once saved is always saved.

Now, don't bring the issue of sin or righteous living here, because it doesn't apply

Romans 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

See self deceit and the spreading of lies for, It is written

9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

11 And such are you
1 Corinthians 6:9-11:

This was even stated after Christ had come and gone where ye lie tellers say.

And to seal the fact that you are a lying this statement shows and proves that no one is saved now but is saved when they are found righteous

2 Timothy 4:8
Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

And if you want to use Abraham to hide, do you not see that you can count Abraham's sins? You obviously know cannot count your sins is why think sin and righteous living should be removed whereas it stated

let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he (God/Christ) is righteous.

8 He that committeth sin is of the devil

And here you are lying and sinning, so you know verse 8 is who you are and you know you SHALL end up in the lake of fire in the future, just like salvation cometh in the future for those who have lived RIGHTEOUSLY..

chatinent:
The problem of this world is religion.

You people who steal, murder, destroy, lie, cheat, extort from the poor are the fathers and makers of problems of the world

There are two sets of disciples in Christ the anointed {Luke 12:32} and the other sheep. John 10:16
The anointed are limited in number while the other sheep fold are countless Jesus told us in the Bible book of Revelation that the anointed will never experience Satan's test again after they have finished their earthly journey because by the time they are resurrected they will be taken to heaven as spirit beings not humans. 1Thessalonians 4:16-17 compare to John 14:1-3; Revelation 20:5-6

But the other sheep and millions of people who are resurrected to Paradise still have to face Satan again when he is released for the final test. Revelation 20:7-10

That is why the anointed Christians are referred to as SAVED it doesn't literally means they are not prone to errors or they won't be attacked by Satan but its due to their future prospect as they are no longer coming back as humans to live again in the flesh. Luke 20:34-36

To respond to that fellow up there, and for the benefit of others listening, not for his benefit
He quoted without understanding it

1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1 Corinthians 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Then he ignored the part that says


1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Meaning, before Paul converted these people into Christianity, before God (because it is God that judges, not humans) they were fornicators,idolaters, adulterers, effeminate, abusers of themselves with mankind.
But after Paul had preached to them and they accepted Christ (ie accept to join Christianity) , from that moment, they siezed to be these things before God. That's why "Paul said such were some of you" using the past tense WERE

Meaning, even though they might be commiting these sins God is not counting the sins anymore.

Another scripture says Abraham believed God it was counted to him for righteousness.

Yet Abraham was also a terrible sinner like every other human

Yes

paxonel:
To respond to that fellow up there, and for the benefit of others listening, not for his benefit
He quoted without understanding it
kingdom of God.

Then he ignored the part that says

1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.[/b]

Meaning, before Paul converted these people into Christianity, before God (because it is God that judges, not humans) they were fornicators,idolaters, adulterers, effeminate, abusers of themselves with mankind.
But after Paul had preached to them and they accepted Christ (ie accept to join Christianity) from that moment, they siezed to be these things before God. That's why "Paul said such were some of you"[/b] using the past tense WERE

Meaning, even though they might be commiting these sins God is not counting the sins anymore.

Another scripture says Abraham believed God it was counted to him for righteousness.

Yet Abraham was also a terrible sinner like every other human

Apparently, you are intolerant of opposition, clearly it means you know that you are wrong but you don't want anybody to tell you so.

Meanwhile, the it is written "were" which you explained that they stopped and ceased ("siezed to be these things".)

Meaning that in the absence of these things they ceased, it is presumed they only lived doing the Righteous things. So, you have only confirmed and reaffirmed what the person said

And so, how can you say even though they might be committing these sins God is not counting the sins anymore, when even Jesus in Revelations shows that He is counting sins in saying

"Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee",.. and ended "else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent/Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds."

Clear proof that God is counting and recording.

And truly we can all count Abraham's sins but who can count your sins and other peoples' own? Abraham over over gap us, so no talk it

True true don't deceive yourself. If you must deceive yourself then don't increase your sins by deceiving others like Sayt did to Eve

FayaBall:
Apparently, you are intolerant of opposition,

What do you mean by opposition is it political party?
there is no opposition!
We are all Christians belonging to one faith but with different understanding.

There is room to learn, we are all learning.
But let it just be that what we are learning is the truth

clearly it means you know that you are wrong but you don't want anybody to tell you so.

I barred the fellow from quoting me incase you know him, because he has not been reasonable in his argument.

Meanwhile, the it is written "were" which you explained that they stopped and ceased ("siezed to be these things".)

no!

It says such were some of you, but ye were washed.
It didn't say but ye have stopped doing those things.

And so, how can you say even though they might be committing these sins God is not counting the sins anymore, when even Jesus in Revelations shows that He is counting sins in saying

If Jesus count sins in the book of revelation, surely it is not that of believers. Or do you want to prove otherwise by reading out the scripture.
One thing i know is, the bible cannot contradict itself.

Or may be you should start distinguish between the two, who is a believer
And who is an unbeliever?

"Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee",.. and ended "else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent/Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds."

Clear proof that God is counting and recording.

these are clearly spiritual records, not mere physical adultery

The literal interpretation thereof means the Christian believed in Christ, at the same time he is commiting adultery with another religion or some sort of idolatry.
You can't serve two masters at a time

And truly we can all count Abraham's sins

keep doing the counting.

But just know that it is God that judges, not you.
You certainly have the right to judge anyone that sin against you. But let God himself judge those who sin him, not you doing the judgement for him

Abraham over over gap us,

if you believe Abraham over gap you, me I can't reason that low.

My bible tells me that the least person in God's kingdom is greater than Abraham.

True true don't deceive yourself.

my guy, correct yourself here.

The only thing that saves you is Christ and nothing more.
Except you want to start worship your righteousness in place of Christ.

You can't serve two masters at a time

Yes

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