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Why Once Saved Always Saved Is Not A License To Sin by alBHAGDADI: 3:05pm On Nov 16, 2019
This is a lengthy post, but the key to you making heaven easily lies in it. Ignore the news about Tonto Dikeh, Davido and Mompha for now. Read this because it is truly Good News.

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Many people who reject the Once Saved Always Saved doctrine do so because they believe it is a license to sin. When they are told that a saved person has eternal security and would go to heaven no matter what, they think this gives the person the right to live life however he wants.

If you check those who usually preach Once Saved Always Saved doctrine, they are the ones who usually uphold the laws of God. They preach holiness and fear of God. They believe they are not perfect and can't make heaven on their own, so they trust fully in Jesus Christ who is the way to heaven.

But those who believe they can lose their salvation are usually the ones wallowing in horrible sins. They wallow so much in sins because they are not saved, which is why they don't fear God enough to obey his commandments.

Look, we are all sinners and...

Romans 3:10 (KJV)
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

The major reason why people reject the Good News of salvation is because they are proud. They believe they can earn their way into a heaven they don't even know the way to. They are trusting in their ability to avoid sin. They even believe they are without sin. But what does the Bible say?

1 John 1:8 (KJV)
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

They prefer to think they are perfect and can live life without sin. Why then did Jesus die if humans could make heaven by not sinning? They are puffed up on their self-righteousness and all their good works that it actually consumes them and prevents them from accepting salvation which is a free gift.

Salvation is a free gift from God which we do nothing to earn. No one ever works for a gift otherwise it would no longer be called a gift. But pride has made them reject the awesome gift of eternal security.

If you give a rich man a car as a gift, he might reject it or not regard it as something awesome. That's because he believes he can afford ten of it or way better. That's pride at work, which is why Jesus said it would be difficult for a rich man to enter heaven. That's because he's always trusting in his abilities and riches. Give that same car to a poor man and watch him accept it with joy unspeakable.

Sadly, we now have so many poor people with the pride of a rich man. If you give them the Good News of eternal life as a gift, they will reject it because they believe they can earn that eternal life on their own. To be saved, you have to throw away pride. Jesus said we have to humble ourselves as a little child before we can enter the kingdom of heaven.


Matthew 18:3 (KJV)
And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Little children don't do any job for money or food. They trust in their parents for everything. That is the mentality Jesus wants us to have. He wants us to trust him for eternal life and not work for it because he has done the work on the cross. All he's saying is that we should believe in him which is the only work required from us to have eternal life.


John 6:29 (KJV)
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.


The Bible also stated that even if you do not work at all, as long as you believe in Jesus who justifies the ungodly, your faith is counted for RIGHTEOUSNESS.

Romans 4:5 (KJV)
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.


Wow! This really sounds like a license for me to go boozing, smoking, fornicating, scamming, stealing, killing, lying etc. Because, as long as I believe Jesus paid for all my sins, I will make heaven no matter how sinful I get.

Yes, you will make heaven no matter how sinful you get as long as you believe Jesus died to save you. You have received the gift of eternal life. It was freely given to you, so heaven is sure for you.

Guess what? To whom much is given much is expected. Much has been given to you in that heaven is now certain for you. You are now expected to live your life in a godly manner on Earth. You are now expected to live a righteous life on Earth to show your salvation to others.

If you live a good life on Earth, Deutoronomy 28 lists all the kind blessings God will bless you with. They are so beautiful and amazing that a true child of God will be motivated to love right to get those blessings on Earth. Guess what? Living right on Earth also earns you rewards in heaven.

Now, what if you decide to live a sinful life simply because you know you will still go to heaven if you die? Look, God will so punish you that you will regret your existence. You will become an example of whhat would happen to anyone punished by God. That same Deutoronomy 28 speaks of the horrible things which will happen to his children who fail to obey him.


Deuteronomy 28:15-19 (KJV)
15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:
16 Cursed shalt thou be in the city, and cursed shalt thou be in the field.
17 Cursed shall be thy basket and thy store.
18 Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.
19 Cursed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and cursed shalt thou be when thou goest out.


Oh, you think that is all? See what he said in verse 22


Deuteronomy 28:22 (KJV)
The LORD shall smite thee with a consumption, and with a fever, and with an inflammation, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword, and with blasting, and with mildew; and they shall pursue thee until thou perish.



Oh, because God has saved you and given heaven to you freely, you now want to start jumping around on earth however you like? God can turn your children into slaves, where you you will be forced to place them in your brother's house. There they will be maltreated by his wife and turned into househelps.

See more of what he will do to you because he's God.


Deuteronomy 28:27-33
27 The LORD will smite thee with the botch of Egypt, and with the emerods, and with the scab, and with the itch, whereof thou canst not be healed.
28 The LORD shall smite thee with madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart:
29 And thou shalt grope at noonday, as the blind gropeth in darkness, and thou shalt not prosper in thy ways: and thou shalt be only oppressed and spoiled evermore, and no man shall save thee.
30 Thou shalt betroth a wife, and another man shall lie with her: thou shalt build an house, and thou shalt not dwell therein: thou shalt plant a vineyard, and shalt not gather the grapes thereof.
31 Thine ox shall be slain before thine eyes, and thou shalt not eat thereof: thine ass shall be violently taken away from before thy face, and shall not be restored to thee: thy sheep shall be given unto thine enemies, and thou shalt have none to rescue them.
32 Thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people, and thine eyes shall look, and fail with longing for them all the day long; and there shall be no might in thine hand.
33 The fruit of thy land, and all thy labours, shall a nation which thou knowest not eat up; and thou shalt be only oppressed and crushed alway:


Do you know what it's like to labour and not be able to reap the fruit of your labour? That is what God might do to you for disobeying his commandments as his child.

Deuteronomy 28:38-39
38 Thou shalt carry much seed out into the field, and shalt gather but little in; for the locust shall
consume it.
39 Thou shalt plant vineyards, and
dress them, but shalt neither drink of the wine, nor
gather the grapes; for the worms shall eat them.

If you think you are still stubborn, read from verse 39-65 and see more of what might come your way for abusing the Grave given to you.


All these things might happen to you to whip you back into place.

Hebrews 12:6-11 (KJV)
For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.


But you say "oh, that's Old Testament". As if to say God suddenly became soft or became another God in the New Testament. Look, we under Grace have been given much and much is expected of us. The bar got raised.

Sorry to bust your bubble, the Old Testament passage in Deuteronomy 28 is the word of God and applicable to us today because...

2 Timothy 3:16-17 (KJV)
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.


This is the reason why we saved people are always afraid of disobeying the commandments of God. Take for example my life. Before I got saved, I was into all kinds of sins. How come I haven't thrown caution to the wind and start living an immoral life simply because heaven is certain for me? How come I'm still the same person preaching holiness, obedience to the commandments of God on this forum? That's because the gospel of once saved always saved is not a license to sin. It actually requires you to live right and tremble before God and his commandments.

If you don't obey God and go about fornicating, who will you blame when you become HIV+?

If you go about doing Yahoo scam because you believe heaven is secured no matter what, who will end up in jail when you are caught? I or you?

Obeying God's word is actually for our own good plus it comes with reward here on Earth and in heaven.


Deuteronomy 28 (KJV)
1 And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:
2 And all these blessings shall come on thee, and overtake thee, if thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God.
3 Blessed shalt thou be in the city, and blessed shalt thou be in the field.
4 Blessed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy ground, and the fruit of thy cattle, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.
5 Blessed shall be thy basket and thy store.
6 Blessed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and blessed shalt thou be when thou goest out.
7 The LORD shall cause thine enemies that rise up against thee to be smitten before thy face: they shall come out against thee one way, and flee before thee seven ways.

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Re: Why Once Saved Always Saved Is Not A License To Sin by Nobody: 1:09am On Nov 17, 2019
Maybe because the sins of those it makes to continue in sin have been covered by such an idea of "grace", so such sins are no longer regarded as sins but righteousness. SMH

The devil is indeed a bloody liar!

That's why iniquity now abounds in the church more than ever before and there is hardly remorse for wrong doing, because such an erroneous idea of grace has given the people licence to continue in their inquity, for instance rape, commit adultery, steal, because the grace upon them covers them regardless.

But the Truth is that such a grace that covers men regardless if they continue in their inquiries doesn't exist!

That knowledge was what helped those Jesus brought up to stay on their toes, and to be vigilant so that they don't fall into temptation. And if at any point they did, that knowledge would make them feel remorse for it and to repent of it because they know they can't simply afford to continue in their iniquities if they wanted to preserve the eternity of souls.

Matthew 13:41-42 (KJV)

41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

So when someone has been emphatically taught by the "Grace of God" Himself who gave His life for man's sin, and consequently would determine who benefits of It, that the Grace of God doesn't cover anyone who continues in his iniquity, what would make that person want to continue in his iniquity?

That suggests the difference between that church where men didn't continue in their iniquity, and this one in which iniquity abounds, their orientation of what the Grace of God entails.

God bless.

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Re: Why Once Saved Always Saved Is Not A License To Sin by mumumugu(m): 2:01am On Nov 17, 2019
nonsense

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Re: Why Once Saved Always Saved Is Not A License To Sin by OkCornel(m): 4:38am On Nov 17, 2019
alBAGHDADI:
Little children don't do any job for money or food. They trust in their parents for everything. That is the mentality Jesus wants us to have. He wants us to trust him for eternal life and not work for it because he has done the work on the cross. All he's saying is that we should believe in him which is the only work required from us to have eternal life.

Even little children still obey their parents' instructions, that's their job. This somewhat lopsided view takes out the role obedience plays in one's walk with God.

This is even Jesus here hammering on the importance of obedience;

Luke 6 v 46-49;
46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
47 Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:
48 He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
49 But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.



THERE IS NO WAY YOU CLAIM TO TRUST JESUS, AND YET NOT OBEY HIM. TRUST & OBEY, SO YOU REMAIN FRUITFUL IN THE VINE. BARREN BRANCHES ARE CUT OFF AND CAST INTO THE FIRE

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Re: Why Once Saved Always Saved Is Not A License To Sin by Nobody: 5:42am On Nov 17, 2019
Nothing but his grace

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Re: Why Once Saved Always Saved Is Not A License To Sin by Dtruthspeaker: 5:50am On Nov 17, 2019
Like the family taken up by God, that is House Israel, God saved them repeatedly but yet again, they turned away from Him and always return to their sinful ways.

What happened to them shall surely and verily happen to us all when we are saved and yet we return again to our sins.

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Re: Why Once Saved Always Saved Is Not A License To Sin by alBHAGDADI: 6:24am On Nov 17, 2019
jesusjnr:
Maybe because the sins of those it makes to continue in sin have been covered by such an idea of "grace", so such sins are no longer regarded as sins but righteousness. SMH

The devil is indeed a bloody liar!

That's why iniquity now abounds in the church more than ever before and there is hardly remorse for wrong doing, because such an erroneous idea of grace has given the people licence to continue in their inquity, for instance rape, commit adultery, steal, because the grace upon them covers them regardless.

But the Truth is that such a grace that covers men regardless if they continue in their inquiries doesn't exist!

That knowledge was what helped those Jesus brought up to stay on their toes, and to be vigilant so that they don't fall into temptation. And if at any point they did, that knowledge would make them feel remorse for it and to repent of it because they know they can't simply afford to continue in their iniquities if they wanted to preserve the eternity of souls.

Matthew 13:41-42 (KJV)

41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

So when someone has been emphatically taught by the "Grace of God" Himself who gave His life for man's sin, and consequently would determine who benefits of It, that the Grace of God doesn't cover anyone who continues in his iniquity, what would make that person want to continue in his iniquity?

That suggests the difference between that church where men didn't continue in their iniquity, and this one which iniquity abounds, their orientation of what the Grace of God entails.

God bless.

Where in the Bible does it say saved people who continue in sin will go to hell fire? Nowhere is such found in the Bible. Saved people who sin are only punished here on Earth by God their father. God scourges as chastens his children who sin to keep them obeying him.

Hebrews 12:6-11 (KJV)
For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

The Bible also states that our earthly fathers correct us when we do wrong. How many earthly fathers have you seen feed their son to a lion? None. Yet you think God will send his own children who carry his spirit to hell fire?

Hebrews 12:9
Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

You are here expecting man to be without sin. If it were possible for man to be sinless, there won't have been any need for Jesus to come. During his days, he said "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone". No one could cast a stone because they were all sinners. Yet you believe a man exists today, in this corrupt and immoral world, that is without sin.


1 John 1:8 (KJV)
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.


You have made God a liar by saying man has to be without sin before he can make heaven. You made God a list who said we are all sinners and there is none righteous, no not one.

1 John 1:10
If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.


Well, you are a liar, that's why you believe one has to be sinless to make heaven. Whereas, the word of God says we are all sinners.


Romans 3:23-26 (KJV)
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

As seen above, we are all sinners. The only ones justified in the sight of God Almighty are the ones who have been justified through their believe in Jesus, not the works of righteousness.

We will always sin as long as we exist in this flesh because the spirit and flesh are at battle. Guess what? The sins don't send us to hell. Why? Because Jesus Christ is our advocate who ensures we don't come into condemnation.


1 John 2:1 (KJV)
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:


The Bible also advised us to not grieve the Holy Spirit which is what happens when we sin. However, that same Holy Spirit has SEALED us for all eternity and just waiting to redeem what he has sealed.

Ephesians 4:30
“And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.”

The reason we are afraid of sinning is because we fear God and don't want him to visit us with the curses in Deutoronomy 28 which he places on those who disobey his commandments. As for sin sending us to hell fire, that's a lie.

I've gone against you with the word of God. All you've done is spew your own understanding. What has Satan promised you that is making you so eager to hinder people from getting saved?

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Re: Why Once Saved Always Saved Is Not A License To Sin by alBHAGDADI: 6:26am On Nov 17, 2019
Dtruthspeaker:
Like the family taken up by God, that is House Israel, God saved them repeatedly but yet again, they turned away from Him and always return to their sinful ways.

What happened to them shall surely and verily happen to us all when we are saved and yet we return again to our sins.

Those children of Israel believed God but were always going back to their sins. That's why God use to punish them e.g kill them, send them into captivity etc. But where is it recorded that God sent them to hell fire?


Nowhere.
Re: Why Once Saved Always Saved Is Not A License To Sin by Nobody: 6:52am On Nov 17, 2019
alBHAGDADI:


Where in the Bible does it say saved people who continue in sin will go to hell fire? Nowhere is such found in the Bible. Saved people who sin are only punished here on Earth by God their father. God scourges as chastens his children who sin to keep them obeying him.

Hebrews 12:6-11 (KJV)
For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

The Bible also states that our earthly fathers correct us when we do wrong. How many earthly fathers have you seen feed their son to a lion? None. Yet you think God will send his own children who carry his spirit to hell fire?

Hebrews 12:9
Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

You are here expecting man to be without sin. If it were possible for man to be sinless, there won't have been any need for Jesus to come. During his days, he said "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone". No one could cast a stone because they were all sinners. Yet you believe a man exists today, in this corrupt and immoral world, that is without sin.


1 John 1:8 (KJV)
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.


You have made God a liar by saying man has to be without sin before he can make heaven. You made God a list who said we are all sinners and there is none righteous, no not one.

1 John 1:10
If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.


Well, you are a liar, that's why you believe one has to be sinless to make heaven. Whereas, the word of God says we are all sinners.


Romans 3:23-26 (KJV)
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

As seen above, we are all sinners. The only ones justified in the sight of God Almighty are the ones who have been justified through their believe in Jesus, not the works of righteousness.

We will always sin as long as we exist in this flesh because the spirit and flesh are at battle. Guess what? The sins don't send us to hell. Why? Because Jesus Christ is our advocate who ensures we don't come into condemnation.


1 John 2:1 (KJV)
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:


The Bible also advised us to not grieve the Holy Spirit which is what happens when we sin. However, that same Holy Spirit has SEALED us for all eternity and just waiting to redeem what he has sealed.

Ephesians 4:30
“And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.”

The reason we are afraid of sinning is because we fear God and don't want him to visit us with the curses in Deutoronomy 28 which he places on those who disobey his commandments. As for sin sending us to hell fire, that's a lie.

I've gone against you with the word of God. All you've done is spew your own understanding. What has Satan promised you that is making you so eager to hinder people from getting saved?
Any one who continues in iniquity cannot be saved!

No person who is saved continues in iniquity!

There is just one Savior not two, and this is according to His teachings which I already showed in my comments you quoted.

So any suggestion of a saved who continues in his iniquity and doesn't repent of it is from the hell and only leads people there.

Here it is again just in case you missed it the first time.

Matthew 13:41-42 (KJV)

41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

So if all things which offend and work iniquity are uprooted and cast into the lake of fire, how could they yet be saved?

Except the saved can still be cast into the lake of fire then you may have a point.

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Re: Why Once Saved Always Saved Is Not A License To Sin by alBHAGDADI: 8:07am On Nov 17, 2019
jesusjnr:
Any one who continues in iniquity cannot be saved!

No person who is saved continues in iniquity!

There is just one Savior not two, and this is according to His teachings which I already showed in my comments you quoted.

So any suggestion of a saved who continues in his iniquity and doesn't repent of it is from the hell and only leads people there.

Here it is again just in case you missed it the first time.

Matthew 13:41-42 (KJV)

41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

So if all things which offend and work iniquity are uprooted and cast into the lake of fire, how could they yet be saved?

Except the saved can still be cast into the lake of fire then you may have a point.

Just shut up and stop repeating point already trashed points.

You first and second lines, can you show us scriptures to back them up? No you can't. All you are doing is coughing out your own ideas.

Go and sleep.
Re: Why Once Saved Always Saved Is Not A License To Sin by Nobody: 8:12am On Nov 17, 2019
alBHAGDADI:


Just shut up and stop repeating point already trashed points.

You first and second lines, can you show us scriptures to back them up? No you can't. All you are doing is coughing out your own ideas.

Go and sleep.
Lol!

That's what happens when someone has lost the plot to sell a lie.

#Tantrums!

If you can't deduce the Truth of those two lines from the text I quoted of Jesus sayings, your Truth-blindness is to blame not me.

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Re: Why Once Saved Always Saved Is Not A License To Sin by alBHAGDADI: 8:18am On Nov 17, 2019
jesusjnr:
Lol!

That's what happens when someone has lost the plot to sell a lie.

#Tantrums!

If you can't deduce the Truth of those two lines from the text I quoted of Jesus sayings, your Truth-blindness is to blame not me.

I don't need to deduce any truth because they are not founded in the Bible. The Bible doesn't support your points that's why you can't find verses to back them up with. So definitely, they are lies.
Re: Why Once Saved Always Saved Is Not A License To Sin by Nobody: 8:29am On Nov 17, 2019
alBHAGDADI:


I don't need to deduce any truth because they are not founded in the Bible. The Bible doesn't support your points that's why you can't find verses to back them up with. So definitely, they are lies.
Do not expect to see the glaring Truth in the Words of Jesus that someone cannot be saved and continue in his iniquities when you suffer from Truth-blindness.

For obviously you can only see lies and darkness and the things which appease your flesh and encourage you to continue in your sins, but if you believe you can continue in your sins and still be saved, you are believing in a lie from the pit of hell that would definitely take you there.

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Re: Why Once Saved Always Saved Is Not A License To Sin by IamZam: 8:45am On Nov 17, 2019
Correct. God's grace should not be taken for granted

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Re: Why Once Saved Always Saved Is Not A License To Sin by damosky12(m): 8:48am On Nov 17, 2019
John 10:28
[28]And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.



alBHAGDADI, you should know that topics like these should be taught abruptly...
You don't present a baby with solid food all at once.

It takes a very rigorous exegesis of the scriptures, in and out, to establish this fact well.
You should know...

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Re: Why Once Saved Always Saved Is Not A License To Sin by Truefaith: 8:50am On Nov 17, 2019
Check this issue up with your Bible open at










www.thetruechristianfaith.com
Re: Why Once Saved Always Saved Is Not A License To Sin by hopefulLandlord: 8:52am On Nov 17, 2019
hageg
Re: Why Once Saved Always Saved Is Not A License To Sin by Grupo(m): 9:00am On Nov 17, 2019
Lol. Thank God I'm an atheist.

So this is the type of thing I would have been occupying my mind with.
Re: Why Once Saved Always Saved Is Not A License To Sin by jaxxy(m): 9:00am On Nov 17, 2019
I have never believed for 1 second that anyone can be saved or get him heaven by his works.

Anyone shouting they must be holy to get into heaven which is true however doesn’t understand what actually makes him holy. U can’t be holy by ur works. That is a fallacy.

The problem we as humans have is we have pride, we are also quick to judge/condemn even when we are not perfect and in our little minds we want to show that we can work for our salvation. The working out ur salvation is only based on ur faith and this follows by works. Yes Jesus came and empowered u to live for him bt that doesn’t mean Ure not human and don’t sin and if u say u don’t sin then congrats it means u have no reason to confess or need forgiveness for anything either bt guess where that will land u?

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Re: Why Once Saved Always Saved Is Not A License To Sin by Nobody: 9:06am On Nov 17, 2019
alBHAGDADI:


I don't need to deduce any truth because they are not founded in the Bible. The Bible doesn't support your points that's why you can't find verses to back them up with. So definitely, they are lies.

albhagdadi.....please can u tell what u hope to accomplish by this “once saved ever saved doctrine”....
I believe that every line of exhortation has an aim u want the hearer of the word to get...I don’t really get urs...thank God u are now adding that it isn’t a license to sin.

because when people counter u with so many scriptures like: Matt 7v21-23“ get away from me u workers of iniquity, not every one that call me lord will enter Gods kingdom..U somehow counter every scripture....
Even revelations 3v15-16 clearly said by Jesus “ I will spill u out of me for being lukewarm” meaning it is possible to be in Christ and no later not be....
So, again my question is, when u started it...what was ur original aim for we ur readers or hearers on nairaland...

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Re: Why Once Saved Always Saved Is Not A License To Sin by Nobody: 9:10am On Nov 17, 2019
Grupo:
Lol. Thank God I'm an atheist.

So this is the type of thing I would have been occupying my mind with.

How does an atheist “thank God” for being an atheist.... what kind of stupid and confused atheist are you

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Re: Why Once Saved Always Saved Is Not A License To Sin by Nobody: 9:12am On Nov 17, 2019
alBHAGDADI died like a coward in the hand of US dog, will anyone believe in the rubbish his wannabe is spewing?

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Re: Why Once Saved Always Saved Is Not A License To Sin by Grupo(m): 9:15am On Nov 17, 2019
1StopRudeness:


How does an atheist “thank God” for being an atheist.... what kind of stupid and confused atheist are you

Get behind me, Satan.
Re: Why Once Saved Always Saved Is Not A License To Sin by alBHAGDADI: 9:17am On Nov 17, 2019
1StopRudeness:


albhagdadi.....please can u tell what u hope to accomplish by this “once saved ever saved doctrine”....
I believe that every line of exhortation has an aim u want the hearer of the word to get...I don’t really get urs...thank God u are now adding that it isn’t a license to sin.

because when people counter u with so many scriptures like: Matt 7v21-23“ get away from me u workers of iniquity, not every one that call me lord will enter Gods kingdom..U somehow counter every scripture....
Even revelations 3v15-16 clearly said by Jesus “ I will spill u out of me for being lukewarm” meaning it is possible to be in Christ and no later not be....
So, again my question is, when u started it...what was ur original aim for we ur readers or hearers on nairaland...


Firstly, when Jesus said he would "spew you out", he wasn't talking to an individual which is why the verse is not applicable to an individual. He was talking to a church which was one of the 7 churches in Asia. He said he would spew the church out for being lukewarm. Nowhere does that equate to sending the church to hell fire neither was it directed at an individual. So this can't be used to court term Once Saved Always Saved doctrine.

Now, my main aim of this thread is to correct people who have the notion that Once Saved Always Saved doctrine encourages sin. It doesn't because if you check out the punishment God visits disobedient children with, any sane person would know to avoid sin.

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Re: Why Once Saved Always Saved Is Not A License To Sin by Nobody: 9:33am On Nov 17, 2019
alBHAGDADI:


Firstly, when Jesus said he would "spew you out", he wasn't talking to an individual which is why the verse is not applicable to an individual. He was talking to a church which was one of the 7 churches in Asia. He said he would spew the church out for being lukewarm. Nowhere does that equate to sending the church to hell fire neither was it directed at an individual. So this can't be used to court term Once Saved Always Saved doctrine.

Now, my main aim of this thread is to correct people who have the notion that Once Saved Always Saved doctrine encourages sin. It doesn't because if you check out the punishment God visits disobedient children with, any sane person would know to avoid sin.

Let me get this straight, u are saying church isn’t people or persons it’s a building Christ was referring to ??
I don’t get...please enlighten me...even if Christ is speaking to an entire church the people that are the body of Christ and part of the church are not being referred to.....??
So how do one admonish or edify or bless a church but it’s doesn’t concern the people ??

Secondly i get the aim of today’s thread that it isn’t a license for sin...
my question was, formerly when u began his doctrine, what was ur aim cos u strongly stressed the doctrine so much without really stressing that it isn’t a license for sin...
What is the aim of “once saved ever saved doctrine” when u started it...cos to me,u sound like u just don’t want people to worry to much about their sins being an hiderance to getting to heaven

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Re: Why Once Saved Always Saved Is Not A License To Sin by Nobody: 9:33am On Nov 17, 2019
Grupo:


Get behind me, Satan.

U funny man

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Re: Why Once Saved Always Saved Is Not A License To Sin by voskia: 9:42am On Nov 17, 2019
1StopRudeness:


How does an atheist “thank God” for being an atheist.... what kind of stupid and confused atheist are you
lol.for the fact he his on this trend shows he believe in some form of divinity ...dont mind him ..let him continue to decieve him self

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Re: Why Once Saved Always Saved Is Not A License To Sin by OkCornel(m): 9:48am On Nov 17, 2019
I wonder what the criteria was to separate the sheeps from the goats. Or was grace not also available to the goats?

Matthew 25 v 31-46

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Re: Why Once Saved Always Saved Is Not A License To Sin by Nobody: 9:50am On Nov 17, 2019
alBHAGDADI:


Those children of Israel believed God but were always going back to their sins. That's why God use to punish them e.g kill them, send them into captivity etc. But where is it recorded that God sent them to hell fire?


Nowhere.

The rich man. Luke 16:19-31

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Re: Why Once Saved Always Saved Is Not A License To Sin by Mftivi: 9:53am On Nov 17, 2019
jesusjnr:
Any one who continues in iniquity cannot be saved!

No person who is saved continues in iniquity!

There is just one Savior not two, and this is according to His teachings which I already showed in my comments you quoted.

So any suggestion of a saved who continues in his iniquity and doesn't repent of it is from the hell and only leads people there.

Here it is again just in case you missed it the first time.

Matthew 13:41-42 (KJV)

41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

So if all things which offend and work iniquity are uprooted and cast into the lake of fire, how could they yet be saved?

Except the saved can still be cast into the lake of fire then you may have a point.
You just need to sit down and accept Salvation. You are full of pride sir! Such will take you to hell. You need to totally depend on Jesus! Listen and learn.

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