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BATified2023:
I can bet u were not yet born then or just a kid


Only tinubu didn't fall for it then, obj got mad to the extent he sized Lagos money for hand to punish tinubu n still Tinubu no bow, it was from there tinubu relaunch n brought men back n for AC

Stop spreading lies and misinformation.
Obj did not withhold Lagos state funds.

What was withheld was LG funds and that was rightly done because Tinubu illegally created 37 LGAs later renamed LCDAs in addition to the existing constitutionally recognized 20 LGAs.

LG funds were given to governors then and FG held it so Tinubu will not illegally share the funds with 37 illegal LCDA chairmen he created.

lapintoz:
Politics no be your mate. Meanwhile Atiku worked behind the scene to hint and guide Tinubu about all the shenanigans OBJ was planning to take over Lagos State in 2002/2093. Oba Rilwan Akiolu (one of our finest senior police officer) equally used his dexterity to frustrate OBJ. Reason OBJ took over all the South Western States except Lagos.

Thank God OBJ failed woefully on this dark moves. Nigeria is better for it now. PBAT is our shinning star 🌟

Alhaji Atiku thank you. Seems Allah has not destined you to be president just like our MKO. Sanu Alhaji.

Lol... so what way has Nigeria been better right now?
How I wish we can go back to 1999 to start afresh and then vote OBJ for third, fourth and fifth term

Sheuns:
Stop spreading lies and misinformation.
Obj did not withhold Lagos state funds.

What was withheld was LG funds and that was rightly done because Tinubu illegally created 37 LGAs later renamed LCDAs in addition to the existing constitutionally recognized 20 LGAs.

LG funds were given to governors then and FG held it so Tinubu will not illegally share the funds with 37 illegal LCDA chairmen he created.

Don't mind him.
The way these people cook up lies and present them as facts is terrible.
Tinubu in fact was the one that organized the first meeting and railroaded the other governors into being deciieved after getting assurance that Lagos will be spared.
From Chief Osoba's narratives,one could see that election results were already written before the election,so what could have prevented INEC and PDP from doing so with Lagos state if they wanted to.
The withholding of local government funds is entirely a different matter.

Knowing what we know about where his business interests are and where he chose to retire, it is difficult to justify the lack of significant federal projects in the South-West during his administration. If the North was where he believed deserved greater attention, why didn't he simply choose to retire there?

Chief Olusegun Obasanjo is politically mischievous and calculating. He actively worked against some of Yorubaland's most illustrious sons and has always been uncomfortable with anyone whose influence could rival or surpass his own.

Perhaps that explains why he has never commanded any real political structure in Ogun State. He has never been able to single-handedly produce even a local government chairman. Despite serving as President, he struggled to deliver his own polling unit, ward, or local government consistently.

He also has a history of reshaping narratives to suit his position. A notable example is his continued denial of pursuing a third-term agenda, despite the overwhelming public record and widespread belief that such an effort was made.

Trust him at your own peril as a Yoruba person. Adárà ni tá máa dára nílé. We know our own.

He has consistently acted in ways many perceive to be contrary to Yoruba interests. So don't blame us when many Yorubas are neither fond of him nor take him seriously. Our views are shaped by what we've seen over the years.

Thank you very much

They have started crawling out one by one to dissociate themselves from the rebellion Ask them why did they scattered AD and afenifere? They used the instrumentality of the state that was bestowed to them in trust to scatter all the structures

Today, SW as a region within the country would have been dragging developmental indicies with the European nations far ahead of the Asians.

Now they said we should continue to endure and they are now struggling to disentangle themselves from the clear wreckage the co travellers has precipitated on the Yoruba nation

It is indeed a paradise lost
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overall90:
Don't mind him.
The way these people cook up lies and present them as facts is terrible.
Tinubu in fact was the one that organized the first meeting and railroaded the other governors into being deciieved after getting assurance that Lagos will be spared.
From Chief Osoba's narratives,one could see that election results were already written before the election,so what could have prevented INEC and PDP from doing so with Lagos state if they wanted to.
The withholding of local government funds is entirely a different matter.

AndroBlaze:
A wife beater will always be good at romancing .... surely the Yoruba elders knew that a leopard can't shed his spots.

Anyway we thank God he didn't do a third term and become Mugabe with his PDPmania.... reading the excerpts was actually quite interesting.

He wasn't really a good president but still the best so far since 1999

humberjade:
Knowing what we know about where his business interests are and where he chose to retire, it is difficult to justify the lack of significant federal projects in the South-West during his administration. If the North was where he believed deserved greater attention, why didn't he simply choose to retire there?

Chief Olusegun Obasanjo is politically mischievous and calculating. He actively worked against some of Yorubaland's most illustrious sons and has always been uncomfortable with anyone whose influence could rival or surpass his own.

Perhaps that explains why he has never commanded any real political structure in Ogun State. He has never been able to single-handedly produce even a local government chairman. Despite serving as President, he struggled to deliver his own polling unit, ward, or local government consistently.

He also has a history of reshaping narratives to suit his position. A notable example is his continued denial of pursuing a third-term agenda, despite the overwhelming public record and widespread belief that such an effort was made.

Trust him at your own peril as a Yoruba person. Adárà ni tá máa dára nílé. We know our own.

He has consistently acted in ways many perceive to be contrary to Yoruba interests. So don't blame us when many Yorubas are neither fond of him nor take him seriously. Our views are shaped by what we've seen over the years.

Why does he need to single-handedly produce a local government chairman or a governor?

That a man chose not to be an emperor like Tinubu doesn’t make him less relevant. It shows he allows people to do their things themselves.

This kind of mentality of yours is what led to many willingly giving themselves as slaves to Tinubu.

Also who are the illustrious sons of Yoruba land that he worked against?

Worth reading... This two are yet to get along even in old age
Two agbalagba

For example, OBJ was asked if he will now build the lagos calabar coastal road as president. He bluntly said Nigeria cannot afford the project, that we will go bankrupt. Now Tinubu is doing the same road. Over 150 kilometers already done in 2 years!

OBJ tried, he gave us GSM, invested $20 billion to build gas power plants, got us the biggest debt cancellation in history. But OBJ failed woefully with infrastructures and 3rd term. He gave the 140 km lagos ibadan road to his crony, Babalakin who didn't have the money to build ordinary 10 km of the road.

OBJ tried, but Tinubu in 3 years has shown that he is a better leader.

geoworldedu:
Lol... so what way has Nigeria been better right now?
How I wish we can go back to 1999 to start afresh and then vote OBJ for third, fourth and fifth term

Eba50:
shameless old man. its better he deceived u. if u and buhabokoribandits had entered power then, the hardship for start sice 2003, instead of 2015. God forbid. obasanjo and yar Adua are d only presidents we ever had

The ecomomic reforms were super neccesary. If not, by now the exchange would be $1 •N2,500.

Thats why Okonji- Iweala, Charles Soludo ans several others have praised the reforms

lapintoz:
For example, OBJ was asked if he will now build the lagos calabar coastal road as president. He bluntly said Nigeria cannot afford the project, that we will go bankrupt. Now Tinubu is doing the same road. Over 150 kilometers already done in 2 years!

OBJ tried, he gave us GSM, invested $20 billion to build gas power plants, got us the biggest debt cancellation in history. But OBJ failed woefully with infrastructures and 3rd term. He gave the 140 km lagos ibadan road to his crony, Babalakin who didn't have the money to build ordinary 10 km of the road.

OBJ tried, but Tinubu in 3 years has shown that he is a better leader.

This year alone, many people are dead because of starvation and you are talking about road. All the roads we have, has Tinubu maintained them? The answer is no. It's not about building roads that will eventually be abandoned. It's about saving the lives of Nigerians. Embezzlements of public funds are still ongoing and they are not tackling it, but it is one useless road they are building. Many youths are not empowered to create jobs for themselves and others, but it's the uncompleted road we are going to eat. I pity those who are gullible falling for an uncompleted road project that doesn't add value to the lives of the citizens.

BATified2023:
I can bet u were not yet born then or just a kid


Only tinubu didn't fall for it then, obj got mad to the extent he sized Lagos money for hand to punish tinubu n still Tinubu no bow, it was from there tinubu relaunch n brought men back n for AC

can you matched tinubu achievement and obj?

sevenhundred:
can you matched tinubu achievement and obj?

with the meagre resources available to Tinubu he's doing better

I can bet u don't know it was during obj regime that we were given debt pardon by foreign bodies so we started everything afresh on new notes

How can u compare that to a Tinubu who met debt n even the gigantic fuel subsidy wahala

And I will tell you that you are fantastically wrong. Who are those hungry.....

....my generator technician that collected 300k labour for 2 days work or the plumber that collects 40k labour for 2 hours work. Is it the market woman that sells a tuber of yam for 8k.

What you dont get is that those that are gainfully employed are doing ok only the lazy bum and the almajiris that do not know the way to our vast arid lands to farm. Even for those government is operating intervention programmes to support them.

But for those ignorant of what to do to eek out a living, its a disease that needs cure

geoworldedu:
This year alone, many people are dead because of starvation and you are talking about road. All the roads we have, has Tinubu maintained them? The answer is no. It's not about building roads that will eventually be abandoned. It's about saving the lives of Nigerians. Embezzlements of public funds are still ongoing and they are not tackling it, but it is one useless road they are building. Many youths are not empowered to create jobs for themselves and others, but it's the uncompleted road we are going to eat. I pity those who are gullible falling for an uncompleted road project that doesn't add value to the lives of the citizens.

lapintoz:
And I will tell you that you are fantastically wrong. Who are those hungry.....

....my generator technician that collected 300k labour for 2 days work or the plumber that collects 40k labour for 2 hours work. Is it the market woman that sells a tuber of yam for 8k.

What you dont get is that those that are gainfully employed are doing ok only the lazy bum and the almajiris that do not know the way to our vast arid lands to farm. Even for those government is operating intervention programmes to support them.

But for those ignorant of what to do to eek out a living, its a disease that needs cure

Omoh, na Tinubu himself I'm communicating with sha

Twale sir, Baba o, Baba o, Baba o.

Assuming I am not working for the rich people on the Island now I would have thought that people earn that much working for the rich

Which Estate on the Island do I not know or work with people? Where do you want to mention at Lekki that myself or my colleagues don't have rich clients we are working for?

Omoh, 300k labour for 2 days? It's either Lamba or you are Tinubu himself

Even Tinubu won't give out such amount to generator servicer. He will only give them Akara money

Predictor3:
He wasn't really a good president but still the best so far since 1999

Exactly o. He is well accepted President by foreign countries. They love to come down to Nigeria when he was at the helms of affairs. I thought he would be the worst democratic president we can ever have, being the first after military rule, but unfortunately he turned out to be the best of them.

If you're not well-informed on a topic, it's better to ask questions before making assertions. There's a difference between having the political influence to make something happen and having the political will to do so. It's not that he never tried, but the people of Ogun State simply have never trusted him to that extent.

It's interesting that you're trying to portray OBJ in a positive light simply because he now criticises his successors. This is the same man who imposed his daughter on the people of Ogun State politically as a sitting President; the same man who privatized the Operation Feed the Nation initiative and acquired it himself, resulting in what is now Obasanjo Farms; the same man who relied on Maurice Iwu and the INEC of 2003, an election deeply flawed (sometimes results released before election day); the same man who pursued an unsuccessful third-term agenda and still denies it; a leader who rarely accepts responsibility for his own mistakes.

His presidency was also marked by an unprecedented wave of unresolved political assassinations and the removal of elected governors through controversial impeachment processes. Need I continue?

To answer your question directly: yes, he was antagonistic to the political aspirations of both Obafemi Awolowo and M.K.O. Abiola.

Sheuns:
Why does he need to single-handedly produce a local government chairman or a governor?

That a man chose not to be an emperor like Tinubu doesn’t make him less relevant. It shows he allows people to do their things themselves.

This kind of mentality of yours is what led to many willingly giving themselves as slaves to Tinubu.

Also who are the illustrious sons of Yoruba land that he worked against?

If you're not well-informed on a topic, it's better to ask questions before making assertions. There's a difference between having the political influence to make something happen and having the political will to do so. It's not that he never tried, but the people of Ogun State simply have never trusted him to that extent.

It's interesting that you're trying to portray OBJ in a positive light simply because he now criticises his successors. This is the same man who imposed his daughter on the people of Ogun State politically as a sitting President; the same man who privatized the Operation Feed the Nation initiative and acquired it himself, resulting in what is now Obasanjo Farms; the same man who relied on Maurice Iwu and the INEC of 2003, an election deeply flawed (sometimes results released before election day); the same man who pursued an unsuccessful third-term agenda and still denies it; a leader who rarely accepts responsibility for his own mistakes.

His presidency was also marked by an unprecedented wave of unresolved political assassinations and the removal of elected governors through controversial impeachment processes. Need I continue?

To answer your question directly: yes, he was antagonistic to the political aspirations of both Obafemi Awolowo and M.K.O. Abiola.

lapintoz:
For example, OBJ was asked if he will now build the lagos calabar coastal road as president. He bluntly said Nigeria cannot afford the project, that we will go bankrupt. Now Tinubu is doing the same road. Over 150 kilometers already done in 2 years!

OBJ tried, he gave us GSM, invested $20 billion to build gas power plants, got us the biggest debt cancellation in history. But OBJ failed woefully with infrastructures and 3rd term. He gave the 140 km lagos ibadan road to his crony, Babalakin who didn't have the money to build ordinary 10 km of the road.

OBJ tried, but Tinubu in 3 years has shown that he is a better leader.

Who built the Lagos Ibadan express road from scratch in the first place?

I guess you don't know it was Obasanjo

Do you?

Absolutely NO

humberjade:
If you're not well-informed on a topic, it's better to ask questions before making assertions. There's a difference between having the political influence to make something happen and having the political will to do so. It's not that he never tried, but the people of Ogun State simply have never trusted him to that extent.

It's interesting that you're trying to portray OBJ in a positive light simply because he now criticises his successors. This is the same man who imposed his daughter on the people of Ogun State politically as a sitting President; the same man who privatized the Operation Feed the Nation initiative and acquired it himself, resulting in what is now Obasanjo Farms; the same man who relied on Maurice Iwu and the INEC of 2003, an election deeply flawed (sometimes results released before election day); the same man who pursued an unsuccessful third-term agenda and still denies it; a leader who rarely accepts responsibility for his own mistakes.

His presidency was also marked by an unprecedented wave of unresolved political assassinations and the removal of elected governors through controversial impeachment processes. Need I continue?

To answer your question directly: yes, he was antagonistic to the political aspirations of both Obafemi Awolowo and M.K.O. Abiola.

Obj did not impose his daughter on Ogun people as a sitting president.

Iyabo has been a senator once and it was between 2007 and 2011. I never knew Obj was still president then. Also the people willingly voted her.

That he refused to support Awo and Abiola ambitions doesn’t mean he’s against them. He has a choice to support whoever he wants to. You don’t have to tell him to support someone simply because they are from the same state or speak the same language. During Obj’s tenure as president, they were several Yorubas appointed by himself into his cabinet.

If a governor was impeached, how’s that the problem of the president? Is he the one running the state house of assembly?

Sheuns:
Obj did not impose his daughter on Ogun people as a sitting president.

Iyabo has been a senator once and it was between 2007 and 2011. I never knew Obj was still president then. Also the people willingly voted her.

That he refused to support Awo and Abiola ambitions doesn’t mean he’s against them. He has a choice to support whoever he wants to. You don’t have to tell him to support someone simply because they are from the same state or speak the same language. During Obj’s tenure as president, they were several Yorubas appointed by himself into his cabinet.

If a governor was impeached, how’s that the problem of the president? Is he the one running the state house of assembly?

The man doesn't want any Yoruba man to be above him. Bossing people around is what he enjoys.

Well, he had a hand in most of those impeachments.

You're only being wise by half. One of his last acts in office was imposing his daughter as a senator and foisting the ailing Yar'Adua on the country.

Little wonder his daughter's political career fizzled out shortly afterward, leading to her disappearing from the political scene for about 16 years, only to return arrogantly to harvest where she did not sow.

humberjade:
Knowing what we know about where his business interests are and where he chose to retire, it is difficult to justify the lack of significant federal projects in the South-West during his administration. If the North was where he believed deserved greater attention, why didn't he simply choose to retire there?

Chief Olusegun Obasanjo is politically mischievous and calculating. He actively worked against some of Yorubaland's most illustrious sons and has always been uncomfortable with anyone whose influence could rival or surpass his own.

Perhaps that explains why he has never commanded any real political structure in Ogun State. He has never been able to single-handedly produce even a local government chairman. Despite serving as President, he struggled to deliver his own polling unit, ward, or local government consistently.

He also has a history of reshaping narratives to suit his position. A notable example is his continued denial of pursuing a third-term agenda, despite the overwhelming public record and widespread belief that such an effort was made.

Trust him at your own peril as a Yoruba person. Adárà ni tá máa dára nílé. We know our own.

He has consistently acted in ways many perceive to be contrary to Yoruba interests. So don't blame us when many Yorubas are neither fond of him nor take him seriously. Our views are shaped by what we've seen over the years.

There's no greater and more accomplished personality than Obj in the entire southwest. History has been so generous to him and his life continues to reflect that testimony. Tinubu may try all he wants, but Obj bests him in every aspect.

In fact, pairing Tinubu against Obj can as well be seen as a slight on Obj, if you factor in Tinubus dodgy history, and the numerous unfilled gaps in his life's story.

Svoboda:
There's no greater and more accomplished personality than Obj in the entire southwest. History has been so generous to him and his life continues to reflect that testimony. Tinubu may try all he wants, but Obj bests him in every aspect.

In fact, pairing Tinubu against Obj can as well be seen as a slight on Obj, if you factor in Tinubus dodgy history, and the numerous unfilled gaps in his life's story.

Nobody disputes those facts, but non of those facts dismiss who he is or the frail influence he still wields in Ogun politics. He is an elder statesman and a former President, but his words doesn't move a needle in Ogun politics, and does not erase the controversies and alleged wrongdoings of his time in office, including accusations made by his own sons. When Tinubu eventually leaves office, both his achievements and his shortcomings will likewise become part of his name and legacy.

fergie001:
Culled from ‘BATTLELINES: Adventures in Journalism And Politics’ Olusegun Osoba, Diamond Publications, 2018, pp.280-294

Obasanjo is a snake. A viper

humberjade:
Nobody disputes those facts, but non of those facts dismiss who he is or the frail influence he still wields in Ogun politics. He is an elder statesman and a former President, but his words doesn't move a needle in Ogun politics, and does not erase the controversies and alleged wrongdoings of his time in office, including accusations made by his own sons. When Tinubu eventually leaves office, both his achievements and his shortcomings will likewise become part of his name and legacy.

Obj is an old man and has played his part. That his word doesn't move a needle in Ogun is subjective. It's like saying Gowons words don't move a needle in plateau. Obj clearly has no indictments and forfeited nothing to a foreign country. I am not also bothered by his personal life and relationships with his family. That's seperate from having a criminal record.

Svoboda:
Obj is an old man and has played his part. That his word doesn't move a needle in Ogun is subjective. It's like saying Gowons words don't move a needle in plateau. Obj clearly has no indictments and forfeited nothing to a foreign country. I am not also bothered by his personal life and relationships with his family. That's seperate from having a criminal record.

You just keep weaving it around Tinubu. I didn't even mention Tinubu in my initial write up. The man, Obasanjo, is the topic here- his achievement as a representative of the Yoruba nation. I am talking about his influence in Ogun, and by extension, the South West since he left office. The annoying part is how he tries to rewrite history...paint himself as someone without any blemish.

favor914:
General Obasanjo, a terrible monster.

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But Tinubu caged him

Eba50:
shameless old man. its better he deceived u. if u and buhabokoribandits had entered power then, the hardship for start sice 2003, instead of 2015. God forbid. obasanjo and yar Adua are d only presidents we ever had

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And this onto na person pikin

when 5hem born you oga

simpleseyi:
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And this onto na person pikin

In the 70s, when he was a military president including the lagos - abeokuta single lane expressway.

In OBJ's 8 years as civilian president, name one road he built or re-build?

happney65:
Who built the Lagos Ibadan express road from scratch in the first place?

I guess you don't know it was Obasanjo

Do you?

Absolutely NO