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Kobojunkie:
1. The problem with religion is that it robs individuals of the ability to critically reason things outside of the dogma that they have been fed. Have you ever asked yourself any of the following
⚉ What does the Constitution of the ancient nation of israel, in fact, say about the fulfilling of the contained commandments and statutes?
⚉ What does it, in fact, mean when someone claims he/she fulfills the Law or its requirements thereof?

Jesus Christ of Israel was an Israelite and much the same as every Israelite before him; he was required by YHWH of Israel to fulfill the Law of Moses-- live as an obedient subject of the nation of Israel(Judah in his case) in the land of Canaan to the letter. He was required under the Law to live as a subject and obey every commandment and statute. He did just that and also stated that he did that. 🥱🥱

2. He never showed the opposite as you claim. If you investigated the Constitution of Israel, you would have come to see the reason behind why Jesus Christ of Israel chose to do what He did. He upheld the Law by stating that since the act of stoning a person to death was meant as a step in
The Law required that the one who is himself without sin, who needs purging in that situation, an eyewitness to the sin, be the first to cast the stone to kill the evildoer among them. 🥱

The mob that Jesus Christ of Israel addressed was chasing the woman alone(the Law required that both the man and woman caught in the act were to be put to death), implying the mob already sinned by refusing to go after the man as well, assuming they(some within the mob) witnessed the adulterous act. Ignoring what the Law said was sin.🥱
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What Jesus Christ of Israel said was not that the mob couldn't cast the first stone, but rather that the one among them who was without sin should cast the first stone to condemn the woman(alone) to death. What the mob decided afterwards was not Jesus Christ of Israel but a result of self-correction on the part of the mob. 🥱🥱

Again, religion is a form of serious blindness to the facts and details of what is in fact stated and before one's very own eyes. Right there in the Books, Jesus Christ of Israel confirmed that God's Laws are Everlasting, same as He is, and that nothing of it can be abolished. Yet religion blindly assumes that somehow Jesus Christ of Israel magically abolished a Law that predates his presence on earth and that he lived under. If that is not some level of mindfuckery... I don't know what else would qualify. 🥱

MaxInDHouse:
It's stupidity doing what you aren't sent to do. If you obey Jesus and die in the course resurrection is sure {John 11:25} but when you pridefully did what you are not asked to do you are on your own o! 1Corinthans 13:3🥱

Chienex24:
Thank goodness God is the ultimate and only true Judge.

IAM4BAT4plus4:
Have you heard it's actually a fake news concocted by Christians?

chimex38:
Old Testament-Death
(Jewish religion).


New Testament-Spiritual Judgement(Christianity)-Clearly written.



World Wide, there's by far less death associated with the Jewish-death implementation on adherants. That's the most practical check of religious tolerance.


And yes, just as the person you quoted replied you, it was more tied as a constitution(Mosaic Law) of Isreal than exclusively as religion.
Treated as a treasonable offence.

Even Jewish israel nowadways aren't hardline fixated on that. They still tolerate Muslims and mosques in their country as there's now separation of state from Religion.

And it is never Christianity (Christ law) which came later through Jesus and relies on Spiritual judgement as your
search highlighted not physical killings.

chimex38:
I tried to verify generally.
AI said its not fake news.

ola20ng:
When it doesn't favour your narration you label it old testament but you change mouth when it does.

MaxInDHouse:
That law doesn't go beyond Israel so it's given for the twelve tribes only and they were never asked to take it to any other land until the Christ will come to break it down for them and teach them the PRINCIPLES behind those LAWS! Deuteronomy 18:18-19

chimex38:
I tried to verify generally.

AI said its not fake news.

ola20ng:
What do you have to say about Matthew 5: 17?
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

ola20ng:
Overzealous and misguided ones do commit crimes in the name of religion.

MaxInDHouse:
He WON a debate but LOSE his life.

So what is the lesson learned?🥱

ola20ng:
Fine. You have done well.
[s]Oya ask your AI to provide the name the suspect killer and his picture since we seen the name and picture of the slain pastor.
[s] Someone also claimed here that he actually watched the debate video but he has not provided the link to the video so to see the face of the Imaam. You can help us do that.[/s]

Overzealous and misguided ones do commit crimes in the name of religion. Such people should be unmasked and dealt with accordingly but no to fake news.

MaxInDHouse:
Please sir can you help me interpret this verse in the Quran?

فَاِ ذَا انْسَلَخَ الْاَ شْهُرُ الْحُـرُمُ فَا قْتُلُوا الْمُشْرِكِيْنَ حَيْثُ وَجَدْتُّمُوْهُمْ وَخُذُوْهُمْ وَا حْصُرُوْهُمْ وَا قْعُدُوْا لَهُمْ كُلَّ مَرْصَدٍ ۚ فَاِ نْ تَا بُوْا وَاَ قَا مُوا الصَّلٰوةَ وَ اٰتَوُا الزَّكٰوةَ فَخَلُّوْا سَبِيْلَهُمْ ۗ اِنَّ اللّٰهَ غَفُوْرٌ رَّحِيْمٌ
"And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful." (QS. At-Tawba 9: Verse 5)

chimex38:
That's all from my end..
Just to prove its not a fake story.

Other requests and investigative details should be directed to The Police and others claimants.

......."Overzealous and misguided ones do commit crimes in the name of religion. Such people should be unmasked and dealt with accordingly but no to fake news".
Fine response as well.

ola20ng:
When it doesn't favour your narration you label it old testament but you change mouth when it does.

Safyqueen:
A professor in Christianity cannot win religious debate with a Muslim in primary school talk less of a matured Muslim.

You just followed the op who chose to report what would suit you people's usual narratives.

Check on the nearest Muslim to where you live, is he violent? Do this before western media finished brainwashing you to their media-created version of Islam.

ola20ng:
Can you kindly point out some verses of the Qur'an that can make a Muslim leave Islam?

After that, kindly explain the story of Jesus Christ and the fig tree.

chimex38:
naa.. It usually appears so for us Christians no doubt.

I get you. I would definitely think as you are if I were in your shoes.


Ideally, I think Christianity shouldn't entirely have existed if Jesus mission and
right interpretation
+ enhancement of the Old Testament requirement was unanimously accepted by the Jews.

Matthew 23:23
"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former"

The weightier and Spirit of every law of the Old Testament(OT) was justice mercy and faithfulness..

The jews leadership by the Scribes and Pharisees failed to apply the spirit part of this law where applicable(justice, Mercy and Faithfullness). Those are the nuances and context of the Old-Law Jesus came to fulfil. But the jews rejected it.

Its the reason why we kinda separated. Those with Jesus model of interpretation call ourselves Christians and Not Jews. Yet same letter of the law.

So you have a point on quoting the verse as a basis for death penalty for Jews and supposedly Christians. Jesus never condemned the law either. But the interpretation is different and context based per case. Applying justice, mercy(compassion) and faithfullness where necessary.

lecowas:
Can we create a thread, just you and I alone, and any other person who would like to view.

Rules: no insults, no bitterness, just logical reasoning s

ola20ng:
What is your comment on this?

ola20ng:
I don't have any problem with any way you interprete any biblical verses because it's your religion and the interpretations are accepted by the Christians. My problem is that you like quoting Qur'anic verses out of context and you don't accept such interpretations from Muslims

expert234:
In old testament, those punished are those who turn away from God, not those who turn away from a religion. God didn't form any religion and won't punish people for leaving a religion, but he will punish people for disobeying him.

Spiritual judgement in new testament means God himself will judge the person, which is the right thing . In Islam, it is Muslims that kiiill people for apostasy, not your alllla. It must be because your allllla is too wieak to defend his religion.

chimex38:
Well, I won't usually quote out of context.
and if I do, i will definitely request or expect a better interpretation.

The Cruz of the matter here is why it seems we Christians tend to switch verses between OT and NT whenever it suits..
Which you brought out and tend to have a point about..
I only wanted to explain the nuances further the best way I can.

ola20ng:
No problem brother. Have a nice day

ola20ng:
You don't deserve my attention. I won't engage in your hostile discussion. Peace

ola20ng:
What is your comment on this?

MaxInDHouse:
Then they secretly persuaded men to say: “We have heard him speaking blasphemous things against Moses and God.” And they stirred up the people, the elders, and the scribes, and coming upon him suddenly, they forcibly seized him and led him to the Sanʹhe·drin. And they brought forward false witnesses, who said: “This man does not stop speaking things against this holy place and against the Law. For instance, we have heard him say that this Jesus the Naz·a·reneʹ will throw down this place and change the customs that Moses handed down to us.” Act 6:11-14
Stephen was accused, arrested and dragged to the public square for execution that is why he used the last minute to express himself.
Back then Christians won't argue with Judaists because they are ready to kill them at sight on the spot unless Roman soldiers are around to protect the believer.
So stop deceiving yourself the act of arguing publicly with radical Muslims is UNSCRIPTURAL!

OBAJESU:

Matthew 16:25 >> he that loseth his life for My sake shall find it.

TenQ:
Acts 6:9:
"Then there arose certain of the synagogue, which is called the synagogue of the Libertines, and Cyrenians, and Alexandrians, and of them of Cilicia and of Asia, disputing with Stephen."

MaxInDHouse:
According to the scriptures did Stephen purposely engage them in an argument or they trailed him while he was in the ministry just as they did to Jesus?🤔