₦airaland Forum

nairalanda1:
Yeah, but the problem is, and I am going to be harsh here, most Nigerians do not want to fight poverty by increased production, taxation and removal of subsides for investment to flow in.

Most NIgerians want the government to subsidise everything and to provide everything for them on top of an oil revenue that at best can do that for a nation of less than 10 million people. And trying to do that, along with massive corruption, is why we are in debt and why we cannot take advantage of the new oil boom, because debts must be paid, and why we actually lost fuel subsidy, because we were at the pointof no return by August 2022.

And saying the above means that I am a government supporter apparently, becasuse the same poverty mentailty makes many NIgerians think in terms of their daily bread, not in terms of the long term, and for their mind anyone who is thinking long term has a full belly, and thus time to think in terms of such things.

And that pisses me off. I do not support this government or any other past government, and even look at the oppostion with a lot of cynicism

ALl in all, poverty does not excuse drying stuff on the road. If the farmer cannot form a pressure group and ask for solutions from his LGA, or if state indigienes with the appropriate training cannot fabricate solutions, then we are a lazy people who deserve the tinubu and whatever bad governance we get. An orange tree cannot produce figs.

codemaniacs:
it is government responsibility on all levels to create infrastructure for its citizens..

the same govt spends billions buying SUVs and other luxury items for themselves instead of providing for its citizens..

the price of the SUVs alone and build an agro-facility in each state in Nigeria..

that you are a supporter of this renewed poverty regime does not mean you can not condemn them..

nairalanda1:
Yes, it is, but the fact is, in the sane developed countries, government accomplishes this with taxation, sometimes at high rates, higher if you are rich.

Not like Nigeria where a minority pay income tax to federal and state governments, and where as much as 99% of the rich and most of the informal sector workforce do not pay income tax in appreciable amount to the federal government, forcing us to rely on oil money that on a good day is not enough for 20 million people.

Also, Nigeria relies on oil, most sane countries that are developed rely on productivity.

If you vote a government that does what you want them to do, the debt would grow to 500 trillion naira in four years. Because what you want is not possible without massive borrowing. Fighting corruption which has to be done won't increase the income, it would just prevent leakages.

codemaniacs:
the government can forgo buying SUVs for 5 years and instead use the funds to build agro-facilities in all states over the same 5 years.

they do not need taxes and taxation to build anything.. they only need to stop spending on liabilities and materialism and spend on productivity.

stop defending rubbish and use your brain well...

everything is not about taxes...

mukthar2000:
And so what?

Mr Man can't you mind ur own business?

Drying of cassava on that road was in existence for decades to enable their own business, so becos government just rehabilitate the road someone parents business should stop abii,


Go Nothern side to witness how their are using their high way road side to dry most food u consumed in ur regions.

Guys stop posting any unmindful post here jareee

adexmuhyi:
There is actually nothing bad here, this does not stop motorist from plying the road, it doesn't disturb anything and even can not in anyway spoil the road, so what's the fuss all about. Is this overzealousness or idleness, there are serious crimes being committed out there but you're here reporting an innocent person sundrying cassava

MurderX:
These roads run through villages and farms of the local people. These are their community corridors and as far as the roads are not in use, you cannot stop the villagers from using it for their insignificant local needs. How does a local farmer drying cassava on the road affect the road's integrity in any way? and once the roads are put in service, the villagers will stop the practice. This is a very irrelevant and trivial observation.

MurderX:
These roads run through villages and farms of the local people. These are their community corridors and as far as the roads are not in use, you cannot stop the villagers from using it for their insignificant local needs. How does a local farmer drying cassava on the road affect the road's integrity in any way? and once the roads are put in service, the villagers will stop the practice. This is a very irrelevant and trivial observation.

ibtommy:
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The issue is not really about the road being new, it's about why we still dry edible stuff on the road. This is one of the reasons I hate yam and cassava flour bought in the open market. There are deadly diseases claiming lives because of this dirty practice. You go soak garri like this come see animal poo inside....na lassa fever we dey play with.
They should arrest him.
Thank you.

Lithiumite:
Whats wrong with that when the road is not in use.......did the govt provide him with agro processing equipment to dry and grind his cassava........this is a practice that has been in existence since I can remember and it most likely is just about the quantity the poor farmer wants to consume with his family.

ARISHEM:
Cassava won't damage the road.
You win an argument if it's about causing an accident

nairalanda1:
But of course.


Well, for decades our budget deficit has been very large because oil money alone , which is our main source of income, is not enough to fund it.

This year's budget was funded by loans because last year, government expected, for revenue purposes, oil to be above 74 dollars for the year. LOL...it no happen. So, borrowing commenced. Leading to the budget deficit

Now that's not abnormal in itself, all countries have that. but sane countries fund the budget by raising taxes. Nigeria has a very low tax to gdp ratio, which is lower than many African countries even.

That means that our borrowing will go up unless we get more of the gdp taxed.

If you think the way you think, you are indirectly supporting tinubu's borrowing. Thus, you got no right to complain about it.


I don't recall abusing you, my good sir.




Well, if we want to reduce our budget deficit, taxes would be the way forward. Selling raw materials is not the way because we do not set their prices.

Also, our budget, even if the money was not spent on frivolities like yatcht and suv and so forth, and if excess spending on government things was cut, is not enough for a nation of 237 million people. LIke now, we need something like 33 trillion out of our budget of 55 trillion to guarantee quality healthcare. Just to give you an example.

GeneralOuki:
This is why the west calls us underdeveloped third world countries or Shithole country. It is because of this primitive mindset that you people are displaying and defending here.

codemaniacs:
countries fund their budget through PPP and ownership.. Taxes is just bonus and extortion for the government no matter the country..

Countries do not fund their national budgets through Public-Private Partnerships (PPPs) or state ownership. Instead, national budgets are funded by tax revenues, government borrowing, and fees. PPPs and state ownership are mechanisms for financing or delivering specific infrastructure projects, not sources of general budget revenue

Nobody said the FG should not have ownership of companies that can make billions of $$$$..

if FG runs NITEL well and has its own network it can make over $10billion dollars annually.

if FG runs NNPC well and has operational refineries then it can make over $40 billion annually

if FG runs Cocoa export and has processing facilities it can make over $30 billion annually
e.t.c.

the FG just needs to invest in ownership and processing facilities and it will make more than enough money for development and stealing...

TheGoodJoe:
Yes it is. It is not entitlement. There is a video of a Nigerian girl in Germany, where the government spent 22,000 Euros, to train her in driving and maintaining modern vans, and still bought a van for her?

It is not entitlement. It is the duty of the government.

codemaniacs:
it is the government both federal, state and local governments duty to provide for its people

nairalanda1:
Not quite true. Tax forms a major part of government revenues. IN Germany it forms nearly half of government revenues.

You have a very flawed idea of government revenues.

As for your point , this is the response



As you can see, your solution won't work.




ON NITEL and NNPC, government ran the companies into the ground by forcing them to offer subsidised services, which hindered their ability to improve service.

The problem was that the things needed to provide good enough refineries and phone services...are made abroad. And Nigeria does not control their prices. So, subsidies meant that these companies could not make enough money to pay for improvements, because they just did not have the resources.

Meanwhile, Obasanjo let GSM companies like MTN and Airtel charge whatever prices they want....and the result was that they made enough profits to provide services for the poor, something that NITEL could never do.

We already own cocoa, anyways...it's our fifth largest revenue generator.



And taxes, and revenue. Even if the FG invested in ownership, it has to allow the facilites operate at a profit, not subsidised prices, to get their monies worth, and even then, the revenue won't be enough for a nation of our size.

erniok:
Why use a single case and not general. Government think in terms of public well being not individuals. If the government sees that the public will benefit frommthe cassava dryer, they should provide it by all means but not for an individual or very few members of the public.

Why do courts suspend drivers license and not order government to teach them how to drive properly. Government has limited spending, hope 6pu know that.

erniok:
Government has a limit that the provision it makes for it citizens and that's why corporate org sees those opportunities and seize them. Even in US, you have the homeless so why haven't their government ensured that has stopped.

codemaniacs:
it is the government both federal, state and local governments duty to provide for its people

codemaniacs:
tax is a part of revenue and not major revenue..

major revenue comes from ownership..

you are making it that you have never owned or started a business in your life..

read the example below and gain knowledge:

If you own business A

and your business A makes ₦80b annually in profits

Govt takes 30% of ₦80b in taxes that business A makes which is ₦24b.

Your business A ₦80b - ₦24b that govt takes is ₦56b.

Your net profit is ₦56b.

Between your business A ₦56b and govt taxes of ₦24b who still has more money between you and the government?.

so from the example above, it means that if government focuses on taxes alone then private companies in the country can be richer than the government.

it also means that relying on taxes means the government is not using their brains and have abdicated their responsibilities to the people.

which means the government is now an extortion cartel and no longer a government..

Belawy:
What is bad in sun drying Cassava on the road?

SmartyPants:
The government has no such duty. The funds of the government belong to all of us, thus a government that makes a policy of providing for some and not all citizens will soon find itself facing demands it cannot meet. This is common sense. However, if you are you unable to agree then at least accept that "duties" are a function of laws and no law says the government must provide you with tools for your business. Finally at least be reasonable enough to understand that the point is not what the government owes or doesn't owe but rather that you have no right to abuse a road that belongs to all of us.

erniok:
Government has a limit that the provision it makes for it citizens and that's why corporate org sees those opportunities and seize them. Even in US, you have the homeless so why haven't their government ensured that has stopped.

codemaniacs:
the government has zero limits on that provisions that it makes for its citizens..

corporate org are not meant to seize opportunities because that means citizens will not get jobs if a foreign corporate org seizes opportunities and only hires foreigners...

this is about Nigeria and not the US...

codemaniacs:
that's why there are government ministries... so that the funds allocated to the Agriculture ministry can be used to build agro-facilities for farmers across the country..

a government makes policies so that it can improve both the government and people.. that is the real common sense..

citizens elect who should be the president and the president and other politicians answer to the people.. it is a government of the people, by the people and for the people..

you should be reasonable to know that the government is supposed to regulate its state and fine or arrest this man drying cassava on the road....

TheGoodJoe:
Are we not discussing a single case here? Our government does not have limited spending as long as billions of naira gets siphoned out of the system. Unless there is a plug and judicious spending on the people, limited spending is a hoax.

SmartyPants:
Ignoring the rest of your ignorance driven ranting, let me ask, so until police patrol every inch of every road to catch people like him citizens cannot uphold basic principles of good conduct for their own good? Lmao. I just wonder why I'm wasting my precious time with you.

erniok:
Government has spending limits and can't address every issue raised in the society. When you wake up to smell the coffee, you'll realise this else US would have solved its housing issues decades ago and no, it's not about Nigeria but a global problem.

codemaniacs:
it can lead to diseases like lassa fever, typhoid e.t.c in the rural areas like the person below said...

Lithiumite:
Whats wrong with that when the road is not in use.......did the govt provide him with agro processing equipment to dry and grind his cassava........this is a practice that has been in existence since I can remember and it most likely is just about the quantity the poor farmer wants to consume with his family.

mukthar2000:
. Really, you mean can lead to diseases? For Something that me and u have being consumed since our childhood till date, why now that we cause diseases?

codemaniacs:
Government does not have spending limits when it comes to buying luxury SUVs for themselves but suddenly have spending limits when it comes to providing agro-facilities for farmers...

you need to wake up and smell the coffee not me..

stop trying to deflect using the US... this is about Nigeria and not U.S..

stop trying to be clever because you are showing signs that you are not clever...