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Kukutente23:
Lol
That's why I don't watch this TVC. They are usually very dumb. Look at the banner. Should clerics be involved in political matters? Really?
You had a Pastor Osinbajo as your VP
You had a Deacon Adesina as Special adviser
Even now, you've appointed Pastors as Efcc chairman, FIRS chairman, Ministers, etc
Even the Bishop they are interviewing is a political appointee
Governors on your party platform are pastors yet a dumb media outfit is asking if clerics should be involved in political matters
TVC don't even rate their zone Bees

You are mixing simple issues. "Should clerics be involved in political matters in their office as clerics?" is different from "Should clerics be allowed to hold political office as individuals who also happen to be clerics?". The first question examines whether the clerical office itself should intervene in politics. The second asks whether personal religious activities disqualify a person from the exercise of civil rights. I think the distinction is so obvious that you must know this already but merely choose to ignore it.

PigTormentor:
Neutral like Oyenikan the religious bigot?

Ahhh...now a bigot for telling the powers the truth to their face but a patriot when he did same to GEJ right?


PBAT called him a personal friend when the Catholic bishops asked that he help in reversing back mission schools so them so what changed.

erniok:
Ahhh...now a b8got for telling the powers the truth to their face but a patriot when he did same to GEJ right?


PBAT called him a personal friend when the Catholic bishops asked that he help in reversing back mission schools so them so what changed.

Oyenikan is a religious bigot. Because he's a friend doesn't mean he doesn't have a hidden religious agenda. Now he can't hide his disdain for Muslim president especially one with a Muslim VP.
He didn't vote for him in 2023 anyway and he said it publicly.
You don't have to be a prophet to know that Oyenikan wants Obi his religious fanatical candidate to win.
That will never happen.

This is lame journalism from TVC though not surprised.
Bishop Stephen Adegbite claimed that in 2023,Onaiyekan refused to recognize Tinubu as president.
My question is where is the proof to such allegation from adegbite?

But Reality still say hes ya president... whether you like ot or not ..

Lithiumite:
Whats wrong with tge question? Its a debate that has been raging forever,your opinion yiu can only adduce to and let us all have a robust discourse rather than condemning anyone's views......the bisghop being interviewed infered same sentiments you are making that you cant separate politics and governance from the church,that even the church is being held together by its own politics.......but its worthy to note that both your views isn't the universal view and there are equally so many averse to your opinion on this matter.

You need not insult or demean any one or contrary opinion .

DO Politician leave church out of there campaign grounds when lookint for vote

Ftom 99 toll 2023 is there any campaign politicians didnt tske into the church, incase you have dementia dod Jonathan not visit RCCG to ask for support

Did Tinubu not hire fake bishop to pass off as endorsemrnt, did they not sell Tinubu wife is a Pastor as credence for Tinubu
Sanwo olu at last election was he not seen doing usher in church. So it okay for politician to use thechurch to get the peple But it is wrong if church decides to hold politician accountable for promise made

let me ask Between the church and govt who is more closer to the people, who hears more household problem more than the church

Do you know the amount of letters in pastor olukoya office from members seeking help all related to finance .. and some empty head are saying church have no right to speak

when Onaiyekan went to Abacha and told him the botter truth, where were those grammarians, when pope flew into Nigeria met Abacha n gave him list of 60 prople he must release where are the Woke group oversabi group.

Did Tinubu campaign without church, it is okay to use and dump the church . Apc supporters must be very sick in the end

Kukutente23:
Lol
That's why I don't watch this TVC. They are usually very dumb. Look at the banner. Should clerics be involved in political matters? Really?
You had a Pastor Osinbajo as your VP
You had a Deacon Adesina as Special adviser
Even now, you've appointed Pastors as Efcc chairman, FIRS chairman, Ministers, etc
Even the Bishop they are interviewing is a political appointee
Governors on your party platform are pastors yet a dumb media outfit is asking if clerics should be involved in political matters
TVC don't even rate their zone Bees

You're just manipulating the message of the cleric, there's different between cleric that's a member of a political party, the one that accepts appointment from a political party and the one that's in-charge of a church that's systematically taking side in public for the support of his preferred political party, such cleric is dangerous to the society like that Catholic Church Bishop with his elderly rascality.

KillahPriest:
My only happiness in all these is that Onaiyekan is not an Igbo man if not, the attack dogs might have gone physical

The Igbos are not even attacking Tinubu, they seem to be overwhelmed by Jagaban influence or maybe most of them are benefiting from this government.

Kukutente23:
Lol
That's why I don't watch this TVC. They are usually very dumb. Look at the banner. Should clerics be involved in political matters? Really?
You had a Pastor Osinbajo as your VP
You had a Deacon Adesina as Special adviser
Even now, you've appointed Pastors as Efcc chairman, FIRS chairman, Ministers, etc
Even the Bishop they are interviewing is a political appointee
Governors on your party platform are pastors yet a dumb media outfit is asking if clerics should be involved in political matters
TVC don't even rate their zone Bees

Who watch to TVC?

Nigeria television I watches are
1Arisetv morning shows down to my best tv broadcaster Charles aniagolu show at 8pm

2 channel political platform at 7pm

3 ait from 7am to 8am

aworatak:
When I saw tvc, i didn’t bother reading the entire thread cause I know that the network and everyone who appears there are blinded with falsehoods.

It is Tinubu television. What else do you expect

I can never watch tvc. All they do there is support 100% of what Tinubu does whether right or wrong

nothingspoil70:
I have said it several times that Onaiyekan is a confirmed Obidient Bishop. He has never hidden it, he has through his actions been supporting Peter Obi since 2022.

Anyone claiming he is a neutral man of God is just trying to be clever by half

So Onaiyekan as a confirmed bishop is the reason the economy and security are in SHAMBLES

Why una no get sen^^?

If to say Tinubu perform, will all of you be under this kind of pressure trying by all means to fetch support even from the devil?

Otti cannot be under this kind of pressure

tueeeeeeeeeeee

nothingspoil70:
I have said it several times that Onaiyekan is a confirmed Obidient Bishop. He has never hidden it, he has through his actions been supporting Peter Obi since 2022.

Anyone claiming he is a neutral man of God is just trying to be clever by half

So Onaiyekan as a confirmed bishop is the reason the economy and security are in SHAMBLES

Why una no get sen^^?

If to say Tinubu perform, will all of you be under this kind of pressure trying by all means to fetch support even from the devil?

Otti cannot be under this kind of pressure

tueeeeeeeeeeee

Adegbite- Agbado Bishop.

Lithiumite:
Whats wrong with tge question? Its a debate that has been raging forever,your opinion yiu can only adduce to and let us all have a robust discourse rather than condemning anyone's views......the bisghop being interviewed infered same sentiments you are making that you cant separate politics and governance from the church,that even the church is being held together by its own politics.......but its worthy to note that both your views isn't the universal view and there are equally so many averse to your opinion on this matter.

You need not insult or demean any one or contrary opinion .

a tinubu owned stationed invited his paddy bishop to spew propanganda
Olo brku

favor914:
Go & watch nollywood network South East, so that u can watch what u want.

So anyone that opposes Tinubu opinion is now igbo right?

I know you will also tag me Igbo because I sometimes disagree with his policies

All these your one sided support for him, Tinubu does not know if you nor your family exist.

Most of us want him to succeed as president. But that does not mean he should not be called out when he falters .

Kukutente23:
Lol
That's why I don't watch this TVC. They are usually very dumb. Look at the banner. Should clerics be involved in political matters? Really?
You had a Pastor Osinbajo as your VP
You had a Deacon Adesina as Special adviser
Even now, you've appointed Pastors as Efcc chairman, FIRS chairman, Ministers, etc
Even the Bishop they are interviewing is a political appointee
Governors on your party platform are pastors yet a dumb media outfit is asking if clerics should be involved in political matters
TVC don't even rate their zone Bees

You are not nice

Kukutente23:
Lol
That's why I don't watch this TVC. They are usually very dumb. Look at the banner. Should clerics be involved in political matters? Really?
You had a Pastor Osinbajo as your VP
You had a Deacon Adesina as Special adviser
Even now, you've appointed Pastors as Efcc chairman, FIRS chairman, Ministers, etc
Even the Bishop they are interviewing is a political appointee
Governors on your party platform are pastors yet a dumb media outfit is asking if clerics should be involved in political matters
TVC don't even rate their zone Bees

Did Osinbajo ever claim he wasn’t a politician? Anything coming out from a cleric like Onaiyekan would be seen as being politically motivated since he doesn’t hide his partisanship and that’s the area where the old man isn’t applying his senses (with all due respect)
No one will ever want to accuse clerics like Adeboye, Oyedepo, Pa Kumuyi of being partisan because at least, they do theirs with sense. You will never see them openly supporting and campaigning for one political candidate against another. You can’t be “openly” supporting an opposition figure and still want people to respect or view your criticism as being borne out of genuine goodwill. If he wants to be a cleric, he should act as one and if politics is his calling, he should make it his full-time job like the pastor Osinbajo you mentioned there. The rest of the people you mentioned there are/were mere political appointees and not politicians, they aren’t campaigning for anybody unlike how Onaiyekan carry hin own for head!

TVC is owned by Tinubu, where you expecting the Aso rock chaplain to say otherwise

Television station owned by Bola Ahmed Tinubu

This Bishop clearly mentioned that Tinubu should not be sworn in yet some days to May 29, 2023 until the electoral court clears him, it was then i knew he was consumed by his choice and less reasonable.


Who now continues as President after May 29, 2023?

That awkward and irrational call to not swear in an elected president was where he lost me, and not even his preference of a particular candidate.

Kukutente23:
Lol
That's why I don't watch this TVC. They are usually very dumb. Look at the banner. Should clerics be involved in political matters? Really?
You had a Pastor Osinbajo as your VP
You had a Deacon Adesina as Special adviser
Even now, you've appointed Pastors as Efcc chairman, FIRS chairman, Ministers, etc
Even the Bishop they are interviewing is a political appointee
Governors on your party platform are pastors yet a dumb media outfit is asking if clerics should be involved in political matters
TVC don't even rate their zone Bees

What do you have to say to the Bishops tool

Oma39:
TVC is owned by Tinubu, where you expecting the Aso rock chaplain to say otherwise

While Arise is a member of Obi party.

No only Onaiyakan, me and my family did not recognise DRUGGIE as my president.

Kukutente23:
Lol
That's why I don't watch this TVC. They are usually very dumb. Look at the banner. Should clerics be involved in political matters? Really?
You had a Pastor Osinbajo as your VP
You had a Deacon Adesina as Special adviser
Even now, you've appointed Pastors as Efcc chairman, FIRS chairman, Ministers, etc
Even the Bishop they are interviewing is a political appointee
Governors on your party platform are pastors yet a dumb media outfit is asking if clerics should be involved in political matters
TVC don't even rate their zone Bees

You seem the one with low IQ here. Those individuals you mentioned where in those positions as professional NOT as clerics.
Thats number one.

Two TVC only asked a hypothetical question, the debate and discourse should then prove a point wither in agreement or in opposition to the topic.

In school, we do debates, rice is better than beans, does that mean it is better, it is left for debaters to prove it.
Get sence

Lithiumite:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5q76PzqXgw?si=PpnEyh_BsfjIfCM8

May God have mercy on you, you call yourself Bishop?

Make Onyeakan abi wetin be his name just join Obi for NDC make we hear word. He can contest for a Senate seat in Anambra make the policardinal commot for Vatican line

Oga pls don’t say what you don’t know or have the facts to support your claims. Bishops and archbishops are not elected in Catholic Church. The Pope appoints them if found worthy. Only the Pope is elected at conclave. Even the cardinals are appointed by the Pope…

bentenny:
This is lame journalism from TVC though not surprised.
Bishop Stephen Adegbite claimed that in 2023,Onaiyekan refused to recognize Tinubu as president.
My question is where is the proof to such allegation from adegbite?

he actually did, and said he shoul not be sworn in.
Tinubu is actually a liberal president and many will realise at the end of his tenure.

bentenny:
This is lame journalism from TVC though not surprised.
Bishop Stephen Adegbite claimed that in 2023,Onaiyekan refused to recognize Tinubu as president.
My question is where is the proof to such allegation from adegbite?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/businessday.ng/news/article/2023-i-wont-vote-for-tinubu-over-muslim-muslim-ticket-of-apc-onaiyekan/%3famp

The man is actually a confirmed obidient.

He didn't support Tinubu in 2023. Objective assessments from such a person is almost impossible.

And if I were him, I wouldn't come out on air given my history of differences with the president and position as a priest.

He bleeped up!!!i