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Lithiumite:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5q76PzqXgw?si=PpnEyh_BsfjIfCM8

Without reading the comments yet but i know they the emergency lover of Nigeria will insult this Bishop with twisted logic sotey he will doubt his own Christianity.

nothingspoil70:
I have said it several times that Onaiyekan is a confirmed Obidient Bishop. He has never hidden it, he has through his actions been supporting Peter Obi since 2022.

Anyone claiming he is a neutral man of God is just trying to be clever by half

its not bad if he supports him. you never tire for this government?

UrVillageChief:
Did Osinbajo ever claim he wasn’t a politician? Anything coming out from a cleric like Onaiyekan would be seen as being politically motivated since he doesn’t hide his partisanship and that’s the area where the old man isn’t applying his senses (with all due respect)
No one will ever want to accuse clerics like Adeboye, Oyedepo, Pa Kumuyi of being partisan because at least, they do theirs with sense. You will never see them openly supporting and campaigning for one political candidate against another. You can’t be “openly” supporting an opposition figure and still want people to respect or view your criticism as being borne out of genuine goodwill. If he wants to be a cleric, he should act as one and if politics is his calling, he should make it his full-time job like the pastor Osinbajo you mentioned there. The rest of the people you mentioned there are/were mere political appointees and not politicians, they aren’t campaigning for anybody unlike how Onaiyekan carry hin own for head!

This is appalling
How come you guys only have problems with Pastors. So many Islamic clerics in the north openly endorsed Tinubu and some Atiku in the last election yet I didn't hear any of you cry on their heads and asked for their turbans to be removed. So many Islamic clerics preached and railed against Jonathan and you even clapped for them
It is only Christians una John Thomas dey rise
Hypocrites everywhere!!

Lithiumite:
There are countless literature and treatise on why religious leaders shouldn't get into politics,I am surprised you feign ignorance of these just to push your warped anti tinubu narrative........it is a barefaced white lie by you to deny there aren't divergent opinions on this topic.

If a religious leader no matter how highly placed arrogates the privilege to thread the thin line of political opinion then he should be ready to take whatever flaks comes along that line.......if he can criticise he should also take his own without disdain......it is your imaginable right to make your stand and its only fare to recognise those opposed to that stand.....there is nothing you can do to stop the dragging!!

So why were APClowns crying when Obidients were dragging Soyinka who isn't even a cleric?
I thought you guys were preaching respect for the opinions of others which you cried that Obidients don't do.
How come suddenly it's OK to drag a cleric for having an opinion on the states of the nation now?
Una hypocrisy long

KillahPriest:
My only happiness in all these is that Onaiyekan is not an Igbo man if not, the attack dogs might have gone physical

My only happiness in all these is that Bishop Onaiyekan is a Catholic like Obi.

He never recognized Tinubu as president in 2023 and that's why he's the only one that granted Arise TV interview, among all the bishops that visited Tinubu.

PJ123:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/businessday.ng/news/article/2023-i-wont-vote-for-tinubu-over-muslim-muslim-ticket-of-apc-onaiyekan/%3famp

The man is actually a confirmed obidient.

He didn't support Tinubu in 2023. Objective assessments from such a person is almost impossible.

And if I were him, I wouldn't come out on air given my history of differences with the president and position as a priest.

He bleeped up!!!i

While discussing reactions to the 2023 presidential election, Adegbite recalled that "In 2023, when BAT was declared the winner, Onaiyekan said, 'He will not recognize the president.'" He argued that although individuals are entitled to their political preferences, the outcome declared by the electoral process should be respected unless overturned by the courts.

Guy go and read your link again.
According to adegbite,he claimed onaiyekan refused to accept Tinubu as president after the elections.
The link stated clearly that onaiyekan only rejected a Muslim Muslim ticket as his reason for not voting Tinubu.
Make una dey read una link before sending as proof.
This is your link below.👇👇

wellmax:
You seem the one with low IQ here. Those individuals you mentioned where in those positions as professional NOT as clerics.
Thats number one.

Two TVC only asked a hypothetical question, the debate and discourse should then prove a point wither in agreement or in opposition to the topic.

In school, we do debates, rice is better than beans, does that mean it is better, it is left for debaters to prove it.
Get sence

You mean Osinbajo was VP as a lawyer not as a Christian leader? How old were you in 2015??

What about Pastor Umo Eno of Akwa Ibom? Father Alia of Benue nko? We had Revd Nyame in Taraba as well. Ibrahim Shekarau was governor of Kano.

You're surely out of your depth in this discourse. Forgive me. I didn't know the debate on TVC was rice and beans styled debate. So you mean TVC was just putting up the debate to chew corn not that they are interested in contributing meaningfully to public affairs and nation building. TVC is just a secondary school debate stage? Fair logic then!

Mccullum:
You're just manipulating the message of the cleric, there's different between cleric that's a member of a political party, the one that accepts appointment from a political party and the one that's in-charge of a church that's systematically taking side in public for the support of his preferred political party, such cleric is dangerous to the society like that Catholic Church Bishop with his elderly rascality.

What's the difference between the two? I never knew clerics are grouped according to if they are in public office or not. What other classification do you have for clerics. I'll like to be enlightened

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erniok:
Adagbite is aso rock chaplain. What exactly were you expecting him to say. To say the cardinal was right and possibly lose his job? TVC should have invited a neutral Bishop if they wanted an unbiased opinion.

nobody is neutral

Kukutente23:
So why were APClowns crying when Obidients were dragging Soyinka who isn't even a cleric?
I thought you guys were preaching respect for the opinions of others which you cried that Obidients don't do.
How come suddenly it's OK to drag a cleric for having an opinion on the states of the nation now?
Una hypocrisy long

I'm not surprised at Cardinal Onaiyekan bcoz he had declared openly in 2023 that he would not recognize Tinubu as his president.

SmartyPants:
You are mixing simple issues. "Should clerics be involved in political matters in their office as clerics?" is different from "Should clerics be allowed to hold political office as individuals who also happen to be clerics?". The first question examines whether the clerical office itself should intervene in politics. The second asks whether personal religious activities disqualify a person from the exercise of civil rights. I think the distinction is so obvious that you must know this already but merely choose to ignore it.

3 people liked this comment!! 3 people who should be banned from thinking as they are dangerous to human advancement!!

Just look at the rubbish he wrote claiming to be smart in his pants. So having an opinion about the state of the nation and expressing it openly is not a civil right?!! How did citizens of north Korea and Iran get access to a Nigerian forum?!!

Tareq1105:
I'm not surprised at Cardinal Onaiyekan bcoz he had declared openly in 2023 that he would not recognize Tinubu as his president.

Reduce your lies
He said he wouldn't recognise Tinubu as president until the courts say so. He was referring to the situation of a president being sworn in while his election was still being litigated by the courts
Stop regurgitating trash from APClowns WhatsApp group

Kukutente23:
This is appalling
How come you guys only have problems with Pastors. So many Islamic clerics in the north openly endorsed Tinubu and some Atiku in the last election yet I didn't hear any of you cry on their heads and asked for their turbans to be removed. So many Islamic clerics preached and railed against Jonathan and you even clapped for them
It is only Christians una John Thomas dey rise
Hypocrites everywhere!!

The only difference between you and those Islamic extremists killing people up north is that you don’t have access to guns. So in your small mind, I’m a Muslim for speaking against an erring Christian priest?🤣 No bro, I’m no hypocrite.
Like I said earlier, nobody is stopping anyone from endorsing anybody they like but just know that your opinions cease to be seen as being neutral the moment you start openly endorsing one candidate against the other
Trust me, nobody would have taken this to be anything if those statements were issued by neutral people like PA Kumuyi, the Oni of Ife, Oba of Benin or Pa Oyedepo.
Onaiyekan traded off his respect the very day he started making it crystal obvious he had a preferred candidate. C’mon bro, this man is not even hiding his disdain for the President. Why can’t he emulate the other priests like Bishop Oyedepo? We all know Oyedepo doesn’t really like Tinubu but he’s definitely not rubbishing himself by not going fully partisan. He always makes it clear that he’s against bad leadership instead of claiming to have a preferred candidate, that’s exactly how sensible Royal fathers and religious leaders are expected to carry themselves. You don’t put your hands in partisan politics and still expect to be respected.

Sheuns:
What’s wrong is that the so called Bishop Adegbite doesn’t practice what he’s preaching.

If APC can have a number of pastors and religious leaders as politicians, why can’t clerics talk about the political, social and economic situation of the country?

Did you listen to Adegbite? He did not criticise Onayeikan for his political choice intact he encouraged it he only said Religious leaders should be cautious with their choice of words, and be aware of the dangers of social media.

Onayeikan had been careless leading up to and just after the 2023 elections, is actions giving an interview within 4hrs of meeting with the president shows he didn't act in good faith. Remember that interview was not impromptu it was preplanned before the presidential meeting itself which is a betrayal of principle in essence

Kukutente23:
Lol
That's why I don't watch this TVC. They are usually very dumb. Look at the banner. Should clerics be involved in political matters? Really?
You had a Pastor Osinbajo as your VP
You had a Deacon Adesina as Special adviser
Even now, you've appointed Pastors as Efcc chairman, FIRS chairman, Ministers, etc
Even the Bishop they are interviewing is a political appointee
Governors on your party platform are pastors yet a dumb media outfit is asking if clerics should be involved in political matters
TVC don't even rate their zone Bees

People wey dey craze 😄😄

Lithiumite:
Whats wrong with tge question? Its a debate that has been raging forever,your opinion yiu can only adduce to and let us all have a robust discourse rather than condemning anyone's views......the bisghop being interviewed infered same sentiments you are making that you cant separate politics and governance from the church,that even the church is being held together by its own politics.......but its worthy to note that both your views isn't the universal view and there are equally so many averse to your opinion on this matter.

You need not insult or demean any one or contrary opinion .

It's no longer an opinion, we've seen an ordained pastor rose to the level of VP, many governors today are deacons or even pastor, or priest

Many political appointees too, so it's just hypocritical asking such question, cos the answer is already in our faces

So what happened if he is obedient, can religious leaders no longer speak the facts no matter their affiliation? So he should not speak when the country burning because he is obedient? Look for better things to do if you don't know what to say.

nothingspoil70:
I have said it several times that Onaiyekan is a confirmed Obidient Bishop. He has never hidden it, he has through his actions been supporting Peter Obi since 2022.

Anyone claiming he is a neutral man of God is just trying to be clever by half

Kukutente23:
3 people liked this comment!! 3 people who should be banned from thinking as they are dangerous to human advancement!!

Just look at the rubbish he wrote claiming to be smart in his pants. So having an opinion about the state of the nation and expressing it openly is not a civil right?!! How did citizens of north Korea and Iran get access to a Nigerian forum?!!

Kuku my good lad, you are just entertaining yourself with all these ramblings. Do you think you are impressing anyone? Ehn??

As I told one of your colleagues, you have to engage intelligently if you wish to communicate.

Is there any place where I've said anyone should not have an opinion? Do you know the distinction between expressing an official position as an official who led an official visit to the president as the leader (or a recognized leader) of an organization, and a single individual expressing his opinion on his own behalf, even from the pulpit as many others have done? Has anyone of the many preachers who expresses their opinion from the pulpit ever been question over their involvement in state matters? You still can't see the distinction ehn?

Lol. Good of you. Oya shake ya nyash some more.

Kukutente23:
What's the difference between the two? I never knew clerics are grouped according to if they are in public office or not. What other classification do you have for clerics. I'll like to be enlightened

The difference is the political parties they belong or have sympathy for.

One belong to the ruling party while the other have sympathy for a particular opposition party.

KillahPriest:
My only happiness in all these is that Onaiyekan is not an Igbo man if not, the attack dogs might have gone physical

My former neighbour is a Yoruba OBIDIENTS

Lithiumite:
Whats wrong with tge question? Its a debate that has been raging forever,your opinion yiu can only adduce to and let us all have a robust discourse rather than condemning anyone's views......the bisghop being interviewed infered same sentiments you are making that you cant separate politics and governance from the church,that even the church is being held together by its own politics.......but its worthy to note that both your views isn't the universal view and there are equally so many averse to your opinion on this matter.

You need not insult or demean any one or contrary opinion .

Tinubu is a fraudster

Tinubu is a fraudster

Krankhead:
While Arise is a member of Obi party.

hope you know that there is different between owner and member

bentenny:
Guy go and read your link again.
According to adegbite,he claimed onaiyekan refused to accept Tinubu as president after the elections.
The link stated clearly that onaiyekan only rejected a Muslim Muslim ticket as his reason for not voting Tinubu.
Make una dey read una link before sending as proof.
This is your link below.👇👇

You missed the point - he didn't support Tinubu in 2023 on religious ground which he had right to. But mind you, he's a supposed priest. There's a problem of double character. He is supposed priest and opponent. His position was at best opinions of the opponents. While the Bishop Adegbite didn't hide his position as a supporter of Tinubu.

Tinubu made a mistake of granting him audience. He mistook him as a priest when he indeed is an opponent.

It's a free world everyone has the right to support whoever he wishes but must be bold enough enough to tell us your own candidate not hiding as speaking as priest.

He's not a priest. No descent priest would do what he did, the president of your country respected your office as a priest granted you audience. You were supposed to give him your advice and leave.

You then went to public to release the details of your discussion with the president and start speaking against the president.

Tinubu messed up by granting him audience

Kukutente23:
Lol
That's why I don't watch this TVC. They are usually very dumb. Look at the banner. Should clerics be involved in political matters? Really?
You had a Pastor Osinbajo as your VP
You had a Deacon Adesina as Special adviser
Even now, you've appointed Pastors as Efcc chairman, FIRS chairman, Ministers, etc
Even the Bishop they are interviewing is a political appointee
Governors on your party platform are pastors yet a dumb media outfit is asking if clerics should be involved in political matters
TVC don't even rate their zone Bees

And we know Who you support ' Yes Daddy 2023 and till now ,you are still not true to yourself.
Your hate as Obedient Sold you out - for up till now your Boss ha abandoned the Voyage but some of you are confused,just because of hates and bigotry and Falsehoods on Tinubu,as if without him you can ot live your life!
1.Must Onaeyekan be Partician - as a Priest ?
2. Can he just be honest and Truthful to self- by pointing out the areas Tinubu govt did well and tell us by suggesting how the Govt-Can be Improved Upon?
3 .Is Catholic Bishops - only to Condemn, Castigates and Without Offering Solutions?
4.Is Catholic an Opposition Party and can they Tell NIGERIANS - Who they want to Rule us- instead of being, bending?
Why Can't they be Straight - in their Analysis 😁?

SmartyPants:
Kuku my good lad, you are just entertaining yourself with all these ramblings. Do you think you are impressing anyone? Ehn??

As I told one of your colleagues, you have to engage intelligently if you wish to communicate.

Is there any place where I've said anyone should not have an opinion? Do you know the distinction between expressing an official position as an official who led an official visit to the president as the leader (or a recognized leader) of an organization, and a single individual expressing his opinion on his own behalf, even from the pulpit as many others have done? Has anyone of the many preachers who expresses their opinion from the pulpit ever been question over their involvement in state matters? You still can't see the distinction ehn?

Lol. Good of you. Oya shake ya nyash some more.

Where did you get the idea that Onaiyekan led to visit of the bishops to Tinubu from? APC WhatsApp group abi
And you're the one who is engaging intelligently for your mind o

PJ123:
You missed the point - he didn't support Tinubu in 2023 on religious ground which he had right to. But mind you, he's a supposed priest. There's a problem of double character. He is supposed priest and opponent. His position was at best opinions of the opponents. While the Bishop Adegbite didn't hide his position as a supporter of Tinubu.

Tinubu made a mistake of granting him audience. He mistook him as a priest when he indeed is an opponent.

It's a free world everyone has the right to support whoever he wishes but must be bold enough enough to tell us your own candidate not hiding as speaking as priest.

He's not a priest. No descent priest would do what he did, the president of your country respected your office as a priest granted you audience. You were supposed to give him your advice and leave.

You then went to public to release the details of your discussion with the president and start speaking against the president.

Tinubu messed up by granting him audience

Guy look at the title of the thread and look at my response.
I said does adegbite have proof that onaiyekan rejected the presidency of Tinubu?
You came forward with a link as proof.
You proof had nothing to do with what I said.
If you are saying a totally different thing,then that's beyond this conversation.

Kukutente23:
So why were APClowns crying when Obidients were dragging Soyinka who isn't even a cleric?
I thought you guys were preaching respect for the opinions of others which you cried that Obidients don't do.
How come suddenly it's OK to drag a cleric for having an opinion on the states of the nation now?
Una hypocrisy long

There you go again,typical migmaroller,is soyinka a religious leader?The same right you have to support the cleric is the same right those in support of soyinka have too......quit the gaslighting!!⁶

Onaiyekan is no longer above board since he has shone his bias against tinubu.

babyfaceafrica:
I nobody is neutral

Really? Wow!!! Is this your coping mechanism?

Watch it!
Tinubu's faction of CBCN will soon emerge.
There's no length he'll not go, to discredit Onayekan and co.

Kukutente23:
Lol
That's why I don't watch this TVC. They are usually very dumb. Look at the banner. Should clerics be involved in political matters? Really?
You had a Pastor Osinbajo as your VP
You had a Deacon Adesina as Special adviser
Even now, you've appointed Pastors as Efcc chairman, FIRS chairman, Ministers, etc
Even the Bishop they are interviewing is a political appointee
Governors on your party platform are pastors yet a dumb media outfit is asking if clerics should be involved in political matters
TVC don't even rate their zone Bees

TVC is the dumbest TV station in the whole universe

Everything there is choreographed towards Tinubu's inordinate ambitions. I avoid them like a plague and haven't watched the useless TV for over 4 years.

It's a pity in the 21st century such charlatans still parade themselves as a TV station

Lithiumite:
Whats wrong with tge question? Its a debate that has been raging forever,your opinion yiu can only adduce to and let us all have a robust discourse rather than condemning anyone's views......the bisghop being interviewed infered same sentiments you are making that you cant separate politics and governance from the church,that even the church is being held together by its own politics.......but its worthy to note that both your views isn't the universal view and there are equally so many averse to your opinion on this matter.

You need not insult or demean any one or contrary opinion .

That's not a contrary opinion, that's just crass bull crap from the bishop and he's being clouded by sentiments

What's his views on the issues the Catholic bishops raised? Insecurity, electoral neutrality and hardship
Cos Tinubu gave him pilgrim board to be milking federal government money