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Re: 2027: Battle For North West Heats Up by olajizz01(m): 7:12am On Aug 10
Sugarboyy:
I'm ready to bet with anyone, there is no State in the whole of South West, South South (including Rivers) and South East that Atiku will score 25% in 2027 election
25 what? even I don't envisaged him haveing more than 10 percent in any of the southern states,where is the structure .
Re: 2027: Battle For North West Heats Up by stuffs2002: 7:18am On Aug 10
franchasng:
Stale, try another line, this one is stale, Nigerians know better undecided
The good thing is that Obi is indirectly working for Tinubu grin

Re: 2027: Battle For North West Heats Up by Kdon2: 7:49am On Aug 10
AMINDA:
If 2023 showed a glimmer of rice and beans politics, 2027 will be the mother of all rice and beans politics in the North. Despite the APC having several governors across the North, Atiku won virtually all the Northwestern states aside from Zamfara and Jigawa and all the Northeastern states aside from Borno. That was despite after 8 years of Buhari and against an untested Tinubu who still enjoyed the benefit of doubt and considerable Northern goodwill and sympathy. The margin is set to be even wider come 2027 with Tinubu's woeful performance and the perception of betrayal pervading the North. Tinubu's albatross will be his inability to shore up his popularity amongst electorates in the South. Outside of the SW, he remains very unpopular across the other South.

Muslim-muslim ticket is not hitting as hard as it should which is why the likes of Sheikh Yahaya Jingir have been commissioned to hit up the polity to make it a Christian vs Muslim affair but once bitten, twice shy. As for gubernatorial elections, local dynamics and the level of popularity of individual candidates will determine the outcome of the election in each state.
You are either deliberately malicious or outrightly ignorant in politics
Re: 2027: Battle For North West Heats Up by olyrayy(m): 7:56am On Aug 10
AMINDA:
If 2023 showed a glimmer of rice and beans politics, 2027 will be the mother of all rice and beans politics in the North. Despite the APC having several governors across the North, Atiku won virtually all the Northwestern states aside from Zamfara and Jigawa and all the Northeastern states aside from Borno. That was despite after 8 years of Buhari and against an untested Tinubu who still enjoyed the benefit of doubt and considerable Northern goodwill and sympathy. The margin is set to be even wider come 2027 with Tinubu's woeful performance and the perception of betrayal pervading the North. Tinubu's albatross will be his inability to shore up his popularity amongst electorates in the South. Outside of the SW, he remains very unpopular across the other South.

Muslim-muslim ticket is not hitting as hard as it should which is why the likes of Sheikh Yahaya Jingir have been commissioned to hit up the polity to make it a Christian vs Muslim affair but once bitten, twice shy. As for gubernatorial elections, local dynamics and the level of popularity of individual candidates will determine the outcome of the election in each state.
Damn. Had no idea Atiku swept through the North like this, even with Buhari alive.

But Tinubu did come a close second in most Northern states. Also, looking at the results in Zamfara, which was the only state that Tinubu won a commanding majority, I can see why he refuses to touch Mattawale.

Re: 2027: Battle For North West Heats Up by olyrayy(m): 7:59am On Aug 10
Akpakomiza2:
https://thesun.ng/2027-battle-for-north-west-heats-up/
Why is the article a comparison of Tinubu and Kwankwaso as opposed to Tinubu and Atikuhuh?

Abi dem wan dey rig analysis too?
Re: 2027: Battle For North West Heats Up by geoworldedu: 8:07am On Aug 10
helinues:
Kwankwaso should forget about the dream of becoming Nigeria president in 2031, not only him but others from North West

Yaradua had 4 years plus, Buhari had 8 years, while both NE and NC haven't had the chance
Yaradua did only 2 years, Jonathan did the rest.
Re: 2027: Battle For North West Heats Up by favor914: 8:20am On Aug 10
zinowealth:
Your one and only nightmare

Re: 2027: Battle For North West Heats Up by opes: 8:37am On Aug 10
tishbite41:
Obi himself got well over two million votes in the North under LP
Obi had a Northerner as his running mate, so it was not Obi who got all the 2 million votes for himself in the North as you are implying.
Re: 2027: Battle For North West Heats Up by HIGHESTPOPORI(m): 8:45am On Aug 10
opes:
How many votes did Kwankwaso get across the entire North when he ran as a presidential candidate himself? And you believe he will deliver the northern votes for Obi while running as Obi’s running mate?
Yes,in 2023,most people knew voting Kwankwanso in the North is wasted vote,that's why they didn't support him and him pairing with Obi now,they know he have a high chance to win,they will support him more
Re: 2027: Battle For North West Heats Up by HIGHESTPOPORI(m): 8:49am On Aug 10
opes:
Obi had a Northerner as his running mate, so it was not Obi who got all the 2 million votes for himself in the North as you are implying.
Obi had a northerner that couldn't win his polling booth,compared to Kwankwanso he has now.
Re: 2027: Battle For North West Heats Up by opes: 9:35am On Aug 10
HIGHESTPOPORI:
Yes,in 2023,most people knew voting Kwankwanso in the North is wasted vote,that's why they didn't support him and him pairing with Obi now,they know he have a high chance to win,they will support him more
So, they will abandon their own son, Atiku, and settle for playing second fiddle? Or jettison the presidency that is coming to them in 2031 by not voting for APC, only to decide to wait until 2039?
Re: 2027: Battle For North West Heats Up by AMINDA:
olyrayy:
Damn. Had no idea Atiku swept through the North like this, even with Buhari alive.

But Tinubu did come a close second in most Northern states. Also, looking at the results in Zamfara, which was the only state that Tinubu won a commanding majority, I can see why he refuses to touch Mattawale.
Tinubu has the likes of Elrufai to thank for that. Elrufai's messaging during the electioneering campaign resonated across the North and had an effect on the conscience of most Northerners. Tinubu ended up betraying him. Matawalle lost his own re-election as an incumbent governor. If Tinubu is keeping him as a minister, it's not because he singlehandedly delivered his state. Brace up for the APC using more Sheikhs to rile up Christians so they can react and have Muslims supporting Tinubu’s muslim-muslim ticket but it's an exercise in futility. Tinubu will only end up losing from both ends. The minds of Northerners are largely made up.

P.S: It's already happening and it's not random. It's coordinated.

Re: 2027: Battle For North West Heats Up by AMINDA: 9:59am On Aug 10
opes:
The North may play religious politics if the Minister of Defence gets the ticket in 2031, given that the North is predominantly Muslim while the Defence Minister is a Christian.
Northern Christians are not falling for the gaslighting any longer. APC lackeys claimed Tinubu went ahead with Muslim-Muslim ticket because he couldn't find a Christian Northerner popular enough to be his Vice after teasing them with the ticket for years in order to buy their support. Now, they are claiming Tinubu will handover to a Christian Northerner. This is just them trying to eat from two pots at the same time. If Northern Christians aren't good enough for Vice, is it for the main seat that Tinubu will now find someone popular enough to handover to?
Re: 2027: Battle For North West Heats Up by AMINDA: 10:01am On Aug 10
opes:
So, they will abandon their own son, Atiku, and settle for playing second fiddle? Or jettison the presidency that is coming to them in 2031 by not voting for APC, only to decide to wait until 2039?
You sef dey laugh at their logic abi? Is like saying the Southwest would have voted overwhelmingly for Seyi Makinde as Vice to Atiku against Tinubu. They always claim their own region is on lockdown for Tinubu but still believe other regions will jettison their own son to vote Tinubu. No be juju be that?
Re: 2027: Battle For North West Heats Up by Sleekfingers: 10:08am On Aug 10
Jayhome24:
Why did you tell them the game plan you shouldn't have revealed this na. This thing is top secret to humiliate obi and kwakwanso is joining apc for his presidential ambition against 2031. FACT!!!

Pls don't say more keep the rest, we go do obi wotowoto wey he nor go forget in hurry.
I won't say it again.
Most of them are already insulting me. Their eyes go clear in 2027
Re: 2027: Battle For North West Heats Up by Sugarboyy(m): 10:21am On Aug 10
olajizz01:
25 what? even I don't envisaged him haveing more than 10 percent in any of the southern states,where is the structure .
What these northern politicians haven't realised is that they have all lost values in the south. Imagine Atiku doesn't score upto 1m votes in the whole of the 17 Southern States in 2027 election. How he go take win? Same way Obi will do badly in states like Kebbi, Yobe, Zamfara, Jigawa and Sokoto
Re: 2027: Battle For North West Heats Up by Sugarboyy(m): 10:28am On Aug 10
AMINDA:
Northern Christians are not falling for the gaslighting any longer. APC lackeys claimed Tinubu went ahead with Muslim-Muslim ticket because he couldn't find a Christian Northerner popular enough to be his Vice after teasing them with the ticket for years in order to buy their support. Now, they are claiming Tinubu will handover to a Christian Northerner. This is just them trying to eat from two pots at the same time. If Northern Christians aren't good enough for Vice, is it for the main seat that Tinubu will now find someone popular enough to handover to?
Prior to the 2007 election, Yar adua wasn't popular but with the support of the ruling party then, he won the election and even beat popular Buhari in Katsina state. You just don't understand the power of incumbency and ruling party in a national elections. With a Northern Christian on the ballot under the ruling party, he may likely win all the 6 NC states, win the SW with support of Tinubu, win most of the SS states and score okay in the 5 SE states. Not forgetting Christian votes in the core northern states
Re: 2027: Battle For North West Heats Up by Sugarboyy(m): 10:30am On Aug 10
olyrayy:
Damn. Had no idea Atiku swept through the North like this, even with Buhari alive.

But Tinubu did come a close second in most Northern states. Also, looking at the results in Zamfara, which was the only state that Tinubu won a commanding majority, I can see why he refuses to touch Mattawale.
Buhari was alive but him and his cronies never supported or voted Tinubu
Re: 2027: Battle For North West Heats Up by AMINDA: 10:38am On Aug 10
Sugarboyy:
Prior to the 2007 election, Yar adua wasn't popular but with the support of the ruling party then, he won the election and even beat popular Buhari in Katsina state. You just don't understand the power of incumbency and ruling party in a national elections. With a Northern Christian on the ballot under the ruling party, he may likely win all the 6 NC states, win the SW with support of Tinubu, win most of the SS states and score okay in the 5 SE states. Not forgetting Christian votes in the core northern states
Tinubu is currently an incumbent. If he couldn't find a popular Northern Christian to pick as Vice in order to win, how does he then intend to impose a Northern christian to succeed him in 2031 when he will be on his way out of power (assuming he wins). If he can't do it now, why later? Answer the simple question. I put it to you that it's his classic way of deception. He just need them to vote for his muslim-muslim ticket. That's all.
Re: 2027: Battle For North West Heats Up by Sugarboyy(m): 10:50am On Aug 10
AMINDA:
Tinubu is currently an incumbent. If he couldn't find a popular Northern Christian to pick as Vice in order to win, how does he then intend to impose a Northern christian to succeed him in 2031 when he will be on his way out of power (assuming he wins). If he can't do it now, why later? Answer the simple question. I put it to you that it's his classic way of deception. He just need them to vote for his muslim-muslim ticket. That's all.
It wasn't about picking a northern Christian politician to deputise him, it's about betraying Shettima who has been loyal to him and his government and he wasn't ready to betray Shettima. Tinubu is not known to be a political betrayal, unlike Obi and Atiku that cares only about their ambitions. Even me would have been disappointed in him if he had dropped Shettima for anyone else. Loyalty doesn't come easy in politics and Shettima have it. Imagine a VP that's even loyal to his state governor.
Re: 2027: Battle For North West Heats Up by AMINDA: 10:57am On Aug 10
Sugarboyy:
It wasn't about picking a northern Christian politician to deputise him, it's about betraying Shettima who has been loyal to him and his government and he wasn't ready to betray Shettima. Tinubu is not known to be a political betrayal, unlike Obi and Atiku that cares only about their ambitions. Even me would have been disappointed in him if he had dropped Shettima for anyone else. Loyalty doesn't come easy in politics and Shettima have it. Imagine a VP that's even loyal to his state governor.
Lol. You must think you are talking to your fellow lackeys. Same Shettima that has refused to move to the 26 billion naira bugged residence that Tinubu wanted to banish him to? Same Shettima that he has never trusted enough to make acting president even for one day? Same Shettima that he left speculations about replacing until the very last day? If Shettima is as loyal as you claim, certainly he would understand if Tinubu decides to replace him in order to balance his ticket with a Christian, wouldn't he? The only reason why Tinubu didn't end up replacing Shettima is because he failed to consolidate support across the South as he would have liked because of Obi being in the race. Why did you think "turn of the South" died a natural death as a campaign mantra of the APC? They have now moved on to "Muslims are more many than Christians" and "Catholic Bishops are not Christians".
Re: 2027: Battle For North West Heats Up by HIGHESTPOPORI(m): 12:25pm On Aug 10
opes:
So, they will abandon their own son, Atiku, and settle for playing second fiddle? Or jettison the presidency that is coming to them in 2031 by not voting for APC, only to decide to wait until 2039?
Kwankwanso is contesting in 2031,it has been signed already,so you now confirm Atiku would win the North and Obi would win the South,where would tinubu now win,SW only that even Lagos would be shared
Re: 2027: Battle For North West Heats Up by olyrayy(m): 12:55pm On Aug 10
AMINDA:
Tinubu has the likes of Elrufai to thank for that. Elrufai's messaging during the electioneering campaign resonated across the North and had an effect on the conscience of most Northerners. Tinubu ended up betraying him. Matawalle lost his own re-election as an incumbent governor. If Tinubu is keeping him as a minister, it's not because he singlehandedly delivered his state. Brace up for the APC using more Sheikhs to rile up Christians so they can react and have Muslims supporting Tinubu’s muslim-muslim ticket but it's an exercise in futility. Tinubu will only end up losing from both ends. The minds of Northerners are largely made up.
So, how did he win Zamfara like that? It's the only landslide for him in the North West.
Re: 2027: Battle For North West Heats Up by olyrayy(m): 12:55pm On Aug 10
Sugarboyy:
Buhari was alive but him and his cronies never supported or voted Tinubu
Yes. They didn't campaign vigorously for him. But they also didn't support Atiku. So, the chips fell where they may. Now that Buhari is dead, the North might make Atiku their champion.
Re: 2027: Battle For North West Heats Up by AMINDA: 1:01pm On Aug 10
olyrayy:
So, how did he win Zamfara like that? It's the only landslide for him in the North West.
The messaging from the likes of Elrufai urging Northerners to keep their word and maintain the "amana (trust)". The reason why the North is not agitating much about the unjust incarceration of Elrufai is because they need a reason to justify why they will no longer be voting for Tinubu. I'm sure it's also the same reason why even Elrufai is not to keen on perfecting his bail terms, asides it being malicious. Its called "Narrative setting". Whether good or bad, the North will always repay its debts. Votes are not easily rigged in the North, Northerners vote by conviction.

Re: 2027: Battle For North West Heats Up by opes: 1:24pm On Aug 10
HIGHESTPOPORI:
Kwankwanso is contesting in 2031,it has been signed already,so you now confirm Atiku would win the North and Obi would win the South,where would tinubu now win,SW only that even Lagos would be shared
Obi also won the South in 2023, but he never became president. APC has structures that are spread across the country.
Atiku will win the Northern votes, with APC coming second. Don’t expect Obi to win the Southern votes as he did in 2023, the dynamics have changed. APC’s presence in the Southeast now ain't necessarily about winning the region, but about preventing the kind of irregularities witnessed in 2023 from being repeated in 2027.

Obi won’t get many votes in the North, just as Atiku will be a distant third in the South.
The Makinde presidency will even compete with Obi for the dissenting votes of Southerners who are opposed to APC’s Muslim-Muslim ticket.
Re: 2027: Battle For North West Heats Up by olyrayy(m): 1:45pm On Aug 10
[quote author=AMINDA post=140293115]The messaging from the likes of Elrufai urging Northerners to keep their word and maintain the "amana (trust)". The reason why the North is not agitating much about the unjust incarceration of Elrufai is because they need a reason to justify why they will no longer be voting for Tinubu. I'm sure it's also the same reason why even Elrufai is not to keen on perfecting his bail terms, asides it being malicious. Its called "Narrative setting". Whether good or bad, the North will always repay its debts. Votes are not easily rigged in the North, Northerners vote by conviction.

doesn't explain why Zamfara was the only outlier in the North West. Why didn't El Rufai's urging have similar effect in the other states?
Re: 2027: Battle For North West Heats Up by Sugarboyy(m): 1:45pm On Aug 10
olyrayy:
Yes. They didn't campaign vigorously for him. But they also didn't support Atiku. So, the chips fell where they may. Now that Buhari is dead, the North might make Atiku their champion.
Thank God you said the north "Might".
Firstly never forget Atiku has never for once had cult followership in the North, he only had supporters that can change their minds against him with goodies facing them.
Secondly, only northern votes can never make anyone president, Buhari showed it. And Atiku can not get upto 2m votes in the whole of SS,SE,SW and NC. So how will the north give him 8-10m votes to win the 2027 election?
In my Edo State, ADC as a party doesn't exist, infact NDC doesn't exist in the whole Edo North and Edo Central (Except for Uromi, Esan North Esan because of NDC senatorial Candidate for Edo Central, Yakubu who is very popular in Uromi because of his performance when he was the LGA Chairman).
Re: 2027: Battle For North West Heats Up by AMINDA: 1:47pm On Aug 10
olyrayy:
This doesn't explain why Zamfara was the only outlier in the North West. Why didn't El Rufai's urging have similar effect in the other states?
Because a formidable Atiku who is from the North was also in the race. Elrufai can only try. He wouldn't rig the elections for Tinubu or spill the blood of his own people just to deliver him as was done in other states like Rivers. Tinubu ended up getting 5.6m votes from the North and it proved to be enough. That's all that mattered because even Tinubu could not deliver himself in Lagos and Osun.
Re: 2027: Battle For North West Heats Up by Sugarboyy(m): 1:51pm On Aug 10
opes:
Obi also won the South in 2023, but he never became president. APC has structures that are spread across the country.
Atiku will win the Northern votes, with APC coming second. Don’t expect Obi to win the Southern votes as he did in 2023, the dynamics have changed. APC’s presence in the Southeast now ain't necessarily about winning the region, but about preventing the kind of irregularities witnessed in 2023 from being repeated in 2027.

Obi won’t get many votes in the North, just as Atiku will be a distant third in the South.
The Makinde presidency will even compete with Obi for the dissenting votes of Southerners who are opposed to APC’s Muslim-Muslim ticket.
I agree to everything you said except the Makinde narrative. Makinde won't score upto 200k votes in 2027 election and 99% of the votes will come from Oyo State. In the whole of SE and SE, nobody knows Makinde and in other states of the SW, they are seeing him as a spoiler to Tinubu presidency in Oyo State. And I make bold to say, if Makinde fails to step down and support Tinubu, he will be incarcerated all through Tinubu second term and majority of Yorubas will never forgive him, same way they are treating Osibanjo for daring to contest APC primary with Tinubu
Re: 2027: Battle For North West Heats Up by AMINDA: 1:58pm On Aug 10
Sugarboyy:
I agree to everything you said except the Makinde narrative. Makinde won't score upto 200k votes in 2027 election and 99% of the votes will come from Oyo State. In the whole of SE and SE, nobody knows Makinde and in other states of the SW, they are seeing him as a spoiler to Tinubu presidency in Oyo State. And I make bold to say, if Makinde fails to step down and support Tinubu, he will be incarcerated all through Tinubu second term and majority of Yorubas will never forgive him, same way they are treating Osibanjo for daring to contest APC primary with Tinubu
Incarceration has now become a word we bandy around against political opponents who refuse to bend the knee. That's the legacy of the NADECO democracy. Tinubu himself never supported Obasanjo for 8 years but no one Incarcerated him. Bring the Incarceration on. Seyi Makinde is not a coward. Why should Makinde support Tinubu? Are they in the same political party? Does Seyi Makinde owe Tinubu anything? Kwankwaso left the APC and contested against Buhari, but Buhari never incarcerated him. Buhari is a better democrat than Tinubu will ever hope to be.
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