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Explore2xmore:
Please share the translation of the meaning of Quran 9:31, so we discuss it.
Specifically the characters you name claiming to be like God are definitely not God or able to do what the almighty does.

I don't know Quran. I know the Bible and real eyeity and in the Bible, Eve, Adam, Isreal did not claim to be like God. It is God Who Said that He was going to make us to be like Him. And man's living has confirmed that a human being is not a robot.

Dtruthspeaker:
No they don't.

Christianity's purpose is to save man, others kill man by deceiving them with wishes the guilty wish for

Rubbish. All are man made tools for control. If Constantinople did not make Christianity a State Religion you would be one today. Even your Christmas day was the day of worship for the Sun God

DropsMic:
Christians have killed more people than most religions in the name of faith, power, conquest and colonialism.

It is still the same pagan Catholics that we are talking about who did all this. Christianity does not care about political power, conquest and forceful trespass and dominion of other people's lands.

And taking consideration that paganism is even older than Christianity, it stands to the numbers that they have killed even more than Catholics for as it is today, the catholics have stopped killing yet, pagans still keep on killing.

https://www.nairaland.com/8730053/oyo-police-arrests-10-suspected

alabo1:
Rubbish. All are man made tools for control. If Constantinople did not make Christianity a State Religion you would be one today. Even your Christmas day was the day of worship for the Sun God

See yourself. You said "state religion" and not world religion of which they even lost their position yet Christianity still grew out of the tiny church meeting they were.

Secondly, even before Constantinople, Christianity had already travelled abroad so, you are talking rubbish and just looking for something to say

Dtruthspeaker:
It is still the same pagan Catholics that we are talking about who did all this. Christianity does not care about political power, conquest and forceful trespass and dominion of other people's lands.

And taking consideration that paganism is even older than Christianity, it stands to the numbers that they have killed even more than Catholics for as it is today, the catholics have stopped killing yet, pagans still keep on killing.

https://www.nairaland.com/8730053/oyo-police-arrests-10-suspected

Christians have killed more people than most religions, and more people than all the natural disasters that have ever occurred on Earth combined.

For pagans to catch up to them they would have to genocide atleast 150 million more people.

DropsMic:
Christians have killed more people than most religions, and more people than all the natural disasters that have ever occurred on Earth combined.

For pagans to catch up to them they would have to genocide atleast 150 million more people.

Repeating your unfounded chant will not change history nor tomorrow's news. History already proves that Christians don't kill while till tomorrow pagans would always kill as they have always done since they discovered juju. So, they have already murdered more than 20billion

See, i just said it. Your sister has just confessed to using juju and if anyone who dies from this evil of hers is on you people's head

https://www.nairaland.com/8730812/girl-narrates-how-she-used#140371565

Dtruthspeaker:
I don't know Quran. I know the Bible and real eyeity and in the Bible, Eve, Adam, Isreal did not claim to be like God. It is God Who Said that He was going to make us to be like Him. And man's living has confirmed that a human being is not a robot.

Yet you answered sure to me asking if you grasped what Quran 9:31 says. How do you choose to stand when you can easily have even searched what it was if you actually don't know. Obviously we are not having a meaningful conversation if you choose to just flippantly answer. Where did God say he will make us (I believe you refer to mankind) like him? Is that your yardstick of differentiation from a robot? The bestowing of free will?

nairalanda1:
Okay, so if it gets wrecked, or destroyed, all is good then, no need to worry then, eh?

Plus why do you have to bow down in its direction, eh?

Apparently you have this mixed up. Its destruction would not harm Allah or Islam; the Stone is not divine. Facing the Kaaba unifies prayer direction. Muslims worship Allah alone, not the building or a stone associated with it.

Explore2xmore:
Apparently you have this mixed up. Its destruction would not harm Allah or Islam; the Stone is not divine. Facing the Kaaba unifies prayer direction. Muslims worship Allah alone, not the building or a stone associated with it.

So do the catholics...they say the same thing about their religion too.

Explore2xmore:
Yet you answered sure to me asking if you grasped what Quran 9:31 says. How do you choose to stand when you can easily have even searched what it was if you actually don't know. Obviously we are not having a meaningful conversation if you choose to just flippantly answer. Where did God say he will make us (I believe you refer to mankind) like him? Is that your yardstick of differentiation from a robot? The bestowing of free will?

You were the one who raised your Quran 9:31 in saying whether "can the created subject of God the creator spoil the latter's plan?" So, i do not know what your Quran says but definitely that question can be answered even without the Quran.

And since the Quran is technically built from the Bible, then you ought to have no issue with me calling on Satan, Eve, Adam and Isreal for they are indisputably settled.

Neither have I stopped you from citing your Quran 9:31 to back your point for us all to see whether it truly validly and reasonably stands

That was an Ai... not real.

Catholics and 666 na like 5nd6......if u knw u knw...
Who even told them Mary was a saint....

Dtruthspeaker:
History already proves that Christians don't kill while till tomorrow pagans would always kill as they have always done since they discovered juju. So, they have already murdered more than 20billion

More than 20billion?


If I had known you were a slowpoke, I wouldn’t have bothered replying you.

Reason I love my pentecostal churches jejely..

God bless the Yoruba race

dofman:
🤣🤣🤣🤣 too late to reject your religion seh .

Now you know you are pagan🤣

Sule, o ma need to go mecca and ta epo s'ori allah

Dtruthspeaker:
You were the one who raised your Quran 9:31 in saying whether "can the created subject of God the creator spoil the latter's plan?" So, i do not know what your Quran says but definitely that question can be answered even without the Quran.

And since the Quran is technically built from the Bible, then you ought to have no issue with me calling on Satan, Eve, Adam and Isreal for they are indisputably settled.

Neither have I stopped you from citing your Quran 9:31 to back your point for us all to see whether it truly validly and reasonably stands

Perhaps you should review our conversation.
You’re shifting the question. Quran 9:31 isn’t asking whether humans can spoil God’s plan; it condemns treating religious authorities as having God’s authority. Then if you claim Islam and Catholicism come from the same source because of Sarai, then show the actual textual basis. Saying Satan, Eve, Adam, Israel, or Sarai prove it doesn’t establish that conclusion.

nairalanda1:
So do the catholics...they say the same thing about their religion too.

Do Catholics face one direction in prayer? That's new to me. Where exactly do they face? Then is there a way 'the catholic reverred figure of mother of God or saints' can be destroyed afresh after their death?

Explore2xmore:
Isn't this close to the veneration spoken of in Quran 9:31?

As the wheels of time roll the truth reveals discernably more clear.

Quran 9:31 (Surah At-Tawbah) states: "They have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah, and [also] the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him."

Explore2xmore:
Truthfully, do you grasp what Quran 9:31 says then seriously can the created subject of God the creator spoil the latter's plan?

Don't be foolish

Genesis 6:6-7 states that God regretted making humans on Earth and felt deep grief in his heart because the world was full of evil and violence. This led to the decision to send the flood, while sparing Noah and his family.

Shey you be Catholic.
Oya, let us pray.
Holy Mary, pray for us, now and forever more till the end of the world, Ameen.
Kai, that is idol worshipping.

MICHEALADEX:
Don't be foolish

Genesis 6:6-7 states that God regretted making humans on Earth and felt deep grief in his heart because the world was full of evil and violence. This led to the decision to send the flood, while sparing Noah and his family.

Genesis 6:6 describes divine grief, not God’s plan being defeated. In Islam, human disobedience never overcomes Allah’s will; 9:31 addresses religious authority, not God losing control.

Mubiola360:
Quran 9:31 (Surah At-Tawbah) states: "They have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah, and [also] the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him."

Exactly. That quote of the verse is my point. 9:31 condemns treating scholars, monks, or the Messiah as objects of worship or as having divine authority alongside Allah.

Catholics are idol worshippers, they do not represent our Lord Jesus Christ and His teachings. In summary, they are not christians.

erad:
Lol... Another dumb f*ck. Abraham is Nigerian nah, abi?

People that own the history are telling you something, you're forming professor and saying something else.

Until Africans come to the realization that Europeans brought Christianity to Africa because it was the only religion that could easily make Africans docile and easy to capture, the better for them.

christainity was in Africa before the Europeans bro get your history right. Christainity doesn't make you docile , it makes you responsible and treat others with love and care .
It was the same christainity you hate that ended slavery in the word while traditional worship and Islam encouraged it.
The missionaries that came helped abolish horrible practises like killing of twins etc

dofman:
E don cast 🤣

Na one by one your will cast your evil religion by yourself .

How far Antiiislam?


Are you still an agabako Christian ?🤣

lol I laugh at you Islam is getting decimated by the internet

DropsMic:
Christians have killed more people than all religions combined in the name of faith, power, conquest, colonialism and resource control

lies upon lies
Islam has done that

ednut1:
the catholic wrote and composed the bible . You sabi pass them?

who told you this lie?
The Catholic didn't write and compose the Bible

MrsAyomide:
Same Catholic that gave you the Bible you are reading.. lol

Catholic did not give us the Bible we are reading.
The injeel has been even while Mohammed was alive

Explore2xmore:
Isn't this close to the veneration spoken of in Quran 9:31?

As the wheels of time roll the truth reveals discernably more clear.

When they call someone saint, I thought his body is preserved in the grave like we have in Islam. Any dead body eaten up by soil can never be a saint. They are deceiving themselves.

Explore2xmore:
Perhaps you should review our conversation.
You’re shifting the question. Quran 9:31 isn’t asking whether humans can spoil God’s plan; it condemns treating religious authorities as having God’s authority. Then if you claim Islam and Catholicism come from the same source because of Sarai, then show the actual textual basis. Saying Satan, Eve, Adam, Israel, or Sarai prove it doesn’t establish that conclusion.

I think you have it mixed up. In response to me saying that islam and Catholics come from the same person, you responded saying "can the created subject of God the creator spoil the latter's plan?" Which is what I responded to with Satan, Eve, Adam..

So, it means the bold up was what you wanted to ask.

And my reply is that it is known that ALL evil and wrong doing comes from Satan. For textual references.

1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning.

Genesis 3:1–4: Details the serpent (Satan), introducing sin to mankind.

And a look at both islam and Catholic's you would see they have a lot of similarities

1) Both use beads for prayers and are inbeded in pagan practices. (Juju)
2) Both are authoritarian, strict and restrict/resist contrary and opposing views.
3) Both restrict individual freedom.
4) Both believe in violently conquering other people's lands which is trespass.
5) both believe in absolute control of their subjects.

All of which violate one Law or the other that He Who is Good and God had Commanded that they should not be done.

And all of these same things were done by the pagans of old

These are just a few mild personal observations of my own and this guy pointed out more in his thread. https://www.nairaland.com/988029/similarities-islam-catholicism#11405455

So, these are my textual and real eyeity based reasons for my comment.

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Dtruthspeaker:
Catholicism and islam come from the same person who caused Sarai to spoil God's Plan

your god is useless if a human can spoil his plans

Chibuezem:
lol I laugh at you Islam is getting decimated by the internet

decimated indeed, yesterday was jumat,the mosques were filled to the brim