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MICHEALADEX:
Don't be foolish

Genesis 6:6-7 states that God regretted making humans on Earth and felt deep grief in his heart because the world was full of evil and violence. This led to the decision to send the flood, while sparing Noah and his family.

A god that regrets is a useless one.

Loool Una go explain taya ooo

Veneration of crucifix , image of Mary ,skull of saint all na the same.... Idolatry.

I have seen a mini alter with a little statue of Mary at the corner with some other things at one of our contractors office.

What I even find most surprising is that some Catholics are surprised, so you are not fully aware ? You don't know ke? that's deep.

Drsmartphilips:
L your god is useless if a human can spoil his plans

It is because you are not supposed to be a human being is why you think this. If not you would have known that just as a child can spoil his parents plans, because they are alike, so also did God create us to be like Him which means that humans are powerful enough to spoil His plans.

But as you are a serf you don't know the power of FREEDOM and POWER which God gave us.

Chibuezem:
lies upon lies
Islam has done that

Don’t bother doing any research, you are free to believe whatever you want.

Las Las everybody go wise by then una go knw say these religion of a thing both Muslim and Christian is a way of slavery it better to embrace Ur own forefathers God's and calture knw this and knw peace

Elusive001:
Really?

A true Christian will never understand the Roman Catholic Church, never.

Bros, please, do not allow me to take you on the Roman Catholic Church.

She is not of CHRIST JESUS. She is christianised paganism.

Place most of their practices and teachings side be side the Bible and see.

Can you kindly share more on the "Christianized paganism" of the Roman catholic church & its dissociation from Christ Jesus, that you speak of? I'm open to learning.

Dtruthspeaker:
See yourself. You said "state religion" and not world religion of which they even lost their position yet Christianity still grew out of the tiny church meeting they were.

Secondly, even before Constantinople, Christianity had already travelled abroad so, you are talking rubbish and just looking for something to say

Look who's talking. Read you won't read. Christianity was made the official religion of the Roman State/empire by Constantinople giving rise to it's spread. Before that it was a localized religion. Where had it travelled abroad to prior to then. Anyway keep believing in your fairy tales. I have freed myself from that mental slavery. Peace

But your ancestors are evil when you acknowledge your ndi Ichie,Aja ani, your ezumezu and so on

Dtruthspeaker:
It is idol worship and paganism

That's what your masters told you......

Dtruthspeaker:
No they don't.

Christianity's purpose is to save man, others kill man by deceiving them with wishes the guilty wish for

Christianity has killed more people in history than any other religion. Have you read d about the crusades, inquisitions and how many people were killed because they don't want to accept Christianity.

They were burnt, butchered, beheaded and all manners of evil you can think of. The Bible you read today and the Christianity you are championing were all formed and brought to you by the Catholic Church.

Both Christianity and Islam were forced upon us through violence and indoctrination. Do you think that the so called missionaries were on the streets of Africa actually preaching?

How can a people that hate us preach to us in our local language which they despise and refused to learn? Our older ancestors were converted to Christianity through force and violence while the younger ones were captured, camped and were forced to learn English language through which they were indoctrinated with Christianity.

DropsMic:
Don’t bother doing any research, you are free to believe whatever you want.

don't bother doing research too
You are free to concoct lies

Dtruthspeaker:
I think you have it mixed up. In response to me saying that islam and Catholics come from the same person, you responded saying "can the created subject of God the creator spoil the latter's plan?" Which is what I responded to with Satan, Eve, Adam..

So, it means the bold up was what you wanted to ask.

And my reply is that it is known that ALL evil and wrong doing comes from Satan. For textual references.

1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning.

Genesis 3:1–4: Details the serpent (Satan), introducing sin to mankind.

And a look at both islam and Catholic's you would see they have a lot of similarities

1) Both use beads for prayers and are inbeded in pagan practices. (Juju)
2) Both are authoritarian, strict and restrict/resist contrary and opposing views.
3) Both restrict individual freedom.
4) Both believe in violently conquering other people's lands which is trespass.
5) both believe in absolute control of their subjects.

All of which violate one Law or the other that He Who is Good and God had Commanded that they should not be done.

And all of these same things were done by the pagans of old

These are just a few mild personal observations of my own and this guy pointed out more in his thread. https://www.nairaland.com/988029/similarities-islam-catholicism#11405455

So, these are my textual and real eyeity based reasons for my comment.

Perhaps, I understand your clarification somewhat better. I was specifically asking whether Satan, Eve, Adam, and Israel could spoil or frustrate God’s plan, so your examples were directly addressing that question.

However, that still leaves the separate claim that Catholicism and Islam come from the same person who caused Sarai to spoil God’s plan needing to be demonstrated. The five similarities you listed may support an argument that there are parallels, but similarities alone do not establish a common origin. To establish that claim, you would need to show the specific textual connection between Sarai, Catholicism, and Islam.

jesusjnr2020:
I said in an earlier post that they would soon run out of excuses to defend the brazen acts of idolatry going on in the Catholic church, so not surprising seeing some of their most vocal leaders in these parts of the world admitting it for the first time.

One also went ahead to post the image above alongside his write-up, to illustrate that there's no difference between what a native doctor/babalawo was doing with a skull to that of the Catholic Bishop.

This is still not enough though, but hopefully is good step in the right direction, that would eventually lead to the point where they'd begin say a categorical no to any form of idolatry going on in the Catholic church, not just this one.

God bless.

Oga its not fir the first time!

Eniitankorede:
When they call someone saint, I thought his body is preserved in the grave like we have in Islam. Any dead body eaten up by soil can never be a saint. They are deceiving themselves.

That isn’t quite how Catholic sainthood works. A person isn’t considered a saint simply because their body is preserved, nor does the Catholic Church teach that every saint’s body must remain intact to the best of my knowledge. Canonization concerns the person’s holiness and their relationship with God; relics are a separate matter.

So, a body being consumed by the earth does not, by itself, determine whether someone is a saint. The more relevant question when considering Quran 9:31 is whether venerating religious figures crosses the line into giving them an authority that belongs to God.

DropsMic:
More than 20billion?


If I had known you were a slowpoke, I wouldn’t have bothered replying you.

If you were not empty you would have known that more than 20billion people have passed through this world since the beginning and all of them were pagans until after Christ came

Even a simple Google search would have cured you to know that 20billion is nothing

Google
how many people have lived through this earth since the beginning

+4
Approximately 117 billion people have ever been born on Earth since the dawn of modern Homo sapiens roughly 190,000 years ago. The current global population of over 8 billion people makes up about 7% of every human who has ever lived.

Explore2xmore:
Perhaps, I understand your clarification somewhat better. I was specifically asking whether Satan, Eve, Adam, and Israel could spoil or frustrate God’s plan, so your examples were directly addressing that question.

However, that still leaves the separate claim that Catholicism and Islam come from the same person who caused Sarai to spoil God’s plan needing to be demonstrated. The five similarities you listed may support an argument that there are parallels, but similarities alone do not establish a common origin. To establish that claim, you would need to show the specific textual connection between Sarai, Catholicism, and Islam.

I have just shown you both the text and factual connections. Everyone knows that there is no wife in her senses that would ever tell her husband to go and sleep with another woman. Even a 3rd wife will never agree for the husband to marry a 4th wife. So every reasonable person knows that satan moved sarai to cause Ishmael (Muslims) to be born to scatter and pollute God's plan of a holy family and nation.

So satan got sarai to help him get him (satan) his own unholy family that would also have roots in God. This is what I did not want to say in full

tozynetita:
Christianity has killed more people in history than any other religion. Have you read d about the crusades, inquisitions and how many people were killed because they don't want to accept Christianity.

They were burnt, butchered, beheaded and all manners of evil you can think of. The Bible you read today and the Christianity you are championing were all formed and brought to you by the Catholic Church.

Both Christianity and Islam were forced upon us through violence and indoctrination. Do you think that the so called missionaries were on the streets of Africa actually preaching?

How can a people that hate us preach to us in our local language which they despise and refused to learn? Our older ancestors were converted to Christianity through force and violence while the younger ones were captured, camped and were forced to learn English language through which they were indoctrinated with Christianity.

History already proves that Christians don't kill while till tomorrow pagans would always kill as they have always done since they discovered juju
You forget it was pagans who started rituals, slavery and wars, back in the days of Hammurabi and co, thousands of centuries long before the Catholics came with their crusades.

Of which this thread now shows that this same crusaders whom you accuse are pagans. So, in effect, pagans have killed more than everyone you can name.

And no record in history states that the missionaries did any of these things if anything, the missionaries saved many people from being killed because of pagan beliefs. Mary Slessors' legacy is still standing today in testament. Same for the Christian missionaries during the Biafra war.

What you fail to consider is that the Christian missionaries were different from the white bandits who came and invaded our lands and did all the things you say. So, you are accusing the wrong people

Sleekfingers:
That's what your masters told you......

Like people do not see in bushes and roads the pots of gooey rituals done in the name of Ogun in the places where ogun is worshipped.

alabo1:
Look who's talking. Read you won't read. Christianity was made the official religion of the Roman State/empire by Constantinople giving rise to it's spread. Before that it was a localized religion. Where had it travelled abroad to prior to then. Anyway keep believing in your fairy tales. I have freed myself from that mental slavery. Peace

If you had read, you would have read that Christianity had already gone abroad even before Constantinople. And it is not Christianity he made a state religion, it is Catholicism.

Dtruthspeaker:
Like people do not see in bushes and roads the pots of gooey rituals done in the name of Ogun in the places where ogun is worshipped.

And so ?

Dtruthspeaker:
If you were not empty you would have known that more than 20billion people have passed through this world since the beginning and all of them were pagans until after Christ came

Even a simple Google search would have cured you to know that 20billion is nothing

Google
how many people have lived through this earth since the beginning

+4
Approximately 117 billion people have ever been born on Earth since the dawn of modern Homo sapiens roughly 190,000 years ago. The current global population of over 8 billion people makes up about 7% of every human who has ever lived.

I agree with you Sherlock. Pagans have killed over 20 billion humans.

So why is the same Christianity growing in China so fast and all over the world. UK US and EU citizens are now calling blacks brothers remember a friend in need is a brother who recognises friend, same way God ask us to come to Him when our hearts 💕 are heavy

erad:
Lol... Another dumb f*ck. Abraham is Nigerian nah, abi?

People that own the history are telling you something, you're forming professor and saying something else.

Until Africans come to the realization that Europeans brought Christianity to Africa because it was the only religion that could easily make Africans docile and easy to capture, the better for them.

Catholic Church is cultural not Biblical
Do you accept with that ?

Sleekfingers:
And so ?

So, everyone has seen that your ogun is idol worship and paganism. Fin

Dtruthspeaker:
It is because you are not supposed to be a human being is why you think this. If not you would have known that just as a child can spoil his parents plans, because they are alike, so also did God create us to be like Him which means that humans are powerful enough to spoil His plans.

But as you are a serf you don't know the power of FREEDOM and POWER which God gave us.

I dont serve the god you serve. I serve the creator of the world who has no rival and doesnt delegate his duties. My God has planned the world and he doesnt change it.

Drsmartphilips:
I dont serve the god you serve. I serve the creator of the world who has no rival and doesnt delegate his duties. My God has planned the world and he doesnt change it.

Didn't ask you to serve Him and neither do you see Him begging you to serve Him. So enjoy your freedom

Dtruthspeaker:
I have just shown you both the text and factual connections. Everyone knows that there is no wife in her senses that would ever tell her husband to go and sleep with another woman. Even a 3rd wife will never agree for the husband to marry a 4th wife. So every reasonable person knows that satan moved sarai to cause Ishmael (Muslims) to be born to scatter and pollute God's plan of a holy family and nation.

So satan got sarai to help him get him (satan) his own unholy family that would also have roots in God. This is what I did not want to say in full

“No wife would agree” isn’t a statement from the text; it’s a modern assumption being read into Genesis 16. The passage gives Sarai’s motive as childbearing custom, not Satan. Ishmael’s genealogy traces his descendants, but it doesn’t show that Catholicism doctrinally comes from him. The specific textual link between Sarai’s act and Catholicism still hasn’t been demonstrated.

Zonefree:
Catholic Church is cultural not Biblical.

As in... It is not Christianity! What you're seeing here are the very same reasons why Protestantism sprang up and removed themselves from the Roman Catholic. The way of worship and idolatry was why some denominations like Methodist, Anglecan, and Apostoliy churches sprang up

erad:
Lol... Eleha dey deny masquerade. Plus the poster, and the Rev fathers, and the catholic church itself, what's the difference between them?

You practice a religion that the people that own it deny and even insult at every opportunity. Yet you fight amongst yourself trying to see who's more gullible to the religion. Weird.

I'm sure they'll push the rubbish topic to frontpage on Sunday. Nairaland is gone.

Who are these people that owns it?

Dtruthspeaker:
So, everyone has seen that your ogun is idol worship and paganism. Fin

And so ?
And your useless Jesus is what ? A bloody clown that was paraded naked , with his small penis all over the place .
Beaten to a pulp , before nailing to a cross like a bloody criminal.