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LordReed:
You claim to know my mind by saying I am pretending even when I clearly state I am not. You are the liar.

Also you lied by claiming I used the word pretend when I didn't.

Talk about goal post shifting, what has Mohammed and Islam got to do with the discussion? Nada but you bring up the red herring.

Dtruthspeaker:
See it. You are the one lying for no where did i claim to know your mind neither could you show where I said so.

Secondly, the thread shows you saying the word "pretend".

Re: Atheist Pretends God Is Real For 30 Days. See What Happens(Video) by LordReed(m): 4:36pm On Aug 28
How do I pretend a god doesn't exist? How would you distinguish between someone pretending a god doesn't exist and a person who thinks a god doesn't exist?

Yet, here you are lying that you did not.

Dtruthspeaker:

LordReed:
Balderdash. I don't see any god when I look at nature. I see nature. Even when it is profound it is still nature. Your claim that you know my own mind better than me is a nonsensical one, not even worth the 1 min it took to respond.

Now you show you are lying and choosing what you see, thereby showing us how you pretend God does not exist, which I told you that you already do grin

Thirdly, every reasonable person can see that my statement on Muhammad and islam is part of the point that people read other people's minds and they discern Truth (the 42yr old virgin) from the lies (Mohammed and islam), so no need to pretend like you did not understand the point

jesusjnr2020:
Please tell me the difference between being religious and pretending God exists as an atheist, and stop deviating from the point.

Since you think one makes sense and the other doesn't.

TenQ:
Someone here is venting his PAIN!

SMH!

Lucifyre:
I guess shaking your head comes much easier to you than actually educating yourself. The former seems to be considerably easier for you than the latter.

TenQ:
Still it doesn't change the fact that Someone here has been venting his PAIN!

Lucifyre:
Experience knows best. Cry me a river.🥱

TenQ:
Of course, I experienced you expressing your pain on NL!

LordReed:
You are the one saying you know how to distinguish the 2. The fact is from an outsider perspective there is no way to tell if anybody in a church or listening to pastor preaching is an atheist, a pretender or a believer. It is not written on the any part of your body what you believe on the inside.

You on the other hand have refused to answer my simple question, how do you pretend to believe in a god and what does that entail. I have no idea what it means to pretend to believe. Would that mean just saying I believe in a god even though I don't actually?

jesusjnr2020:
I don't know how I could have possibly said so when I don't see any difference.

That's why I'm asking you the question, because when you saw the post of someone you considered atheist here say himself that he became religious for a while, you didn't ask any questions about how possible that, that's why I'm surprised you're now asking how can an atheist to pretend to believe in God with respect to this case.

You know very well an atheist cannot be religious for a while, and remain atheist at the same time, so the only way he can remain atheist at the same time is if he pretends.

The same goes for an atheist who tries to believe in God for a period of time, while remaining an atheist, that's why this guy said at some point he had stopped pretending, because at that moment he had stopped pretending and now truly believed in God.

Lucifyre:
If that makes you feel happy, oya cash it at the bank. Won't fix ur ignorance though. 😄

LordReed:
This is incorrect. Belief and being religious are 2 separate things that are often congruous. I can be religious and still be an atheist. I can be a believer in a god and not practice any religion. Religion is about practice: go to church, pray, sing worship songs, etc. Anybody can do those things without believing in the god. Believing in the god is an internal state of mind and no one except the holder of such a belief can claim to know such a mind state exists within.

Simple test: is everybody who goes to church a believer in god? The obvious answer is no.

So my question still stands how does one pretend to have the mind state of belief in god?

LordReed:
So my question still stands how does one pretend to have the mind state of belief in god?

jesusjnr2020:
Wrong! Religion in this context is not a practice outside belief in God. It's impossible for an atheist to be religious at the same time because atheist are irreligious.

LordReed:
This is incorrect. Belief and being religious are 2 separate things that are often congruous. I can be religious and still be an atheist. I can be a believer in a god and not practice any religion. Religion is about practice: go to church, pray, sing worship songs, etc. Anybody can do those things without believing in the god. Believing in the god is an internal state of mind and no one except the holder of such a belief can claim to know such a mind state exists within.

Simple test: is everybody who goes to church a believer in god? The obvious answer is no.

So my question still stands how does one pretend to have the mind state of belief in god?

jesusjnr2020:
Wrong! Religion in this context is not a practice outside belief in God. It's impossible for an atheist to be religious at the same time because atheist are irreligious.

So this has nothing to do with going to church to pray, singing Christian songs, or even listening to a preacher, as you keep erroneously trying to connect them, but about having a belief in God, because doing all that without belief In God equates to being irreligious.

You can even see how he distinguished it himself, because he can listen to "men of God" and still be irreligious, but he said he even got religious (having belief in God) about it to show there's a difference, then started bashing religion (belief in God) after it didn't work out for him as it did other atheist.

But after seeing that you didn't question how he could become religious (having belief in God) while being atheist as you're doing this one, so please tell me the difference between them, because I don't see any except the outcome of their experiment.

LordReed:
Wrong again. There are religious atheists.

Unless you are now claiming that anyone who goes to church believes in the god then you acknowledge that practice of religion is separate from belief.

Hardmirror wasn't saying he became a believer in god. He was saying he listened religiously aka consistently. You are very mistaken to think he was saying he became a believer. Look at a dictionary and see that there is more than one meaning of the word.

jesusjnr2020:
It's funny you read what he typed himself but yet continue arguing blindly.

It's clear from his comment, he either stopped being atheist or pretended believing in God for a while as this guy while yet an atheist, the only difference is how it panned out at the end.

He was bashing religion (belief in God) again, while the other stopped pretending and became a real believer in God (religious) so no longer atheist.

Btw please spare me all this different meanings of religion nonsense, because you know the exact context I'm speaking from, so unless you're only finding fault because the outcome didn't favor your beliefs this time, please kindly direct your question at the atheist who first tried being religious (believing in God) for a while, before you come here and start asking me jamb questions.

Moreover I'm not even the atheist turned believer as a result of pretending to believe in God for 30 Days, so why asking me? You should ask him!

DeepSight:
Who doesn't know that there are atheist priests even in the Vatican?

LordReed:
You are the one arguing ignorantly.

You are the one also not understanding the context in which the word was used.

I have attached some of the meanings of the word and as you can clearly see it means to do something consistently primarily.

But why even bicker? Let's ask Hardmirror himself.

Hardmirror sir, when you wrote religiously did you mean you became a believer or you pretended to believe or that you were doing the listening consistently?

LordReed:
Some of these people are so stifled in their experience they think their little corner of the world is all the world.

Funny enough it is this same jesusjnr2020 that will come denigrating Catholics as pagan. LoLz.

jesusjnr2020:
It's obvious he meant religiously in the sense of believing in God for a while or pretending to do so, that's why he didn't continue bashing religion while at it, but only did after he didn't get satisfactory results as this guy.

But I know you too well to only have issues with such when it doesn't favor your atheistic beliefs.

I'm damn sure you won't be asking this question if this one turned the same way but that's you being the usual you.

So please enjoy!

jesusjnr2020:
There are also pastors who don't believe in God's existence, that doesn't make them religious so that's besides the point.

They're irreligious and atheists but onky pretending or appearing to be religious (believe in God) outwardly.

LordReed:
LoLz. Arrogant ignorance.

jesusjnr2020:
Lol! Keep picking dictionary definitions that suit your argument, it would change the fact that there are those which agree with mine.

Perhaps they're also ignorant according to you.

Dtruthspeaker:
Saul already wanted to work for God, so God could get to him. But for atheists in Nigeria, they never really wanted God. They only wanted Him because they think He is their servant. So if He was not going to be their genie, they got angry and followed Americans who brain laundered them that they could be what is called atheists in the alternative.

Maybe in his country they don't really know Christianity beyond the fact that it is religion that has rules they would not like, so maybe that is why God made him see. Lucky fella

Lucifyre:
This is so laughable, if there were any evidence for christian beliefs they wouldn't need to stoop low to all these dramatic shenanigans. Like most "atheist" to christain "conversions" - not saying there are no real ones btw, they're not as common as these SM drama - the story and reason behind it is most times flimsy. It also usually contains nonsense positions an atheist would most likely never hold, just as this video.

You hear nonsensical takes like "I didn't have enough faith to be an atheist anymore", "I just hated god" - you hate what you don't believe in? "I couldn't continue believing something came from nothing" - an ignoramus on here spouted this one, "I just wanted to sin and do drugs" - what even is sin to one that holds no belief? "I just liked mistreating people" Like what... it's a caricature of what christains think an atheist view is so they spout the nonsense to make their conversion stories dramatic - this dude's even a poor actor.

You grew up in a christain home and got apathetic to the whole thing before coming back?! "I was an atheist" - certainly not an apatheist, you were a xtain but life's circumstances made you disillusioned with your beliefs so much so you hate the concept of god?! "I was an atheist" - certainly not a misotheist. So an "atheist" wakes up one morning and decides to "pretend to believe in a god" - what does that even mean?

Pretend to believe in which of the gods - why not ishtar or Vishnu? Did he throw a dart to pick one at random to play pretend or did he pick one of the dominant ones from his geographical location which just happened to be real after playing "pretend". No tangible evidence convinced said "atheist" of this particular god, save for nictotine addiction. Which he claimed was suddenly gone yet he had withdrawal effects with nightmares - Yhwh sent you nightmares to show he's real? Lol

Was already reading the bible for 3 months prior to playing pretend to believe in the god of the bible and just covieneintly had to record the process for social media. Had already chosen a god out of the many before playing pretend yet was an "atheist" - why not the Quran or Baghavad Gita. Then the most explicable thing it did to him that gave him evidence to convert was that it made him "kinder to strangers". There's a reason stuff like this is popular with a certain kind of people.

jesusjnr2020:
Atheist Pretends God Is Real For 30 Days. See What Happens

Brain Guan, an atheist, decided to pretend God exists for 30 Days to see if it made any positive difference in his life.

On day 20, he said he was done pretending that "this shit is real dude. Jesus is real, Jesus is my Lord and savior"

Watch video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzc4jh5wYQQ?si=jcagVkKsFr15SxqT