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Re: Traders In Lagos Stage Protest Against Chinese Shops At Trade Fair And ASPANDA by Tenses: 12:27pm On Sep 15
FSBoperator:
Business is all about having an edge.

We are not going to offer protectionist policies to you because you don't produce the goods and you sell even far higher than the Chinese retailers.

Go and establish your own connect in china if you want to compete.
These trade have their connect in China but other logistics and overhead cost shoots the final price up.


The same thing they do with your tinubu government. They give tinubu loan and still supply raw materials and labour too.
Re: Traders In Lagos Stage Protest Against Chinese Shops At Trade Fair And ASPANDA by Christistruth03: 12:31pm On Sep 15
ufotunang:
..but you were complaining that south Africans were maltreating Nigerians and chasing them out of the country.
So you want Sanwo olu to do the same thing abi

Re: Traders In Lagos Stage Protest Against Chinese Shops At Trade Fair And ASPANDA by PulaPower: 12:33pm On Sep 15
pocohantas:
There are laws to protect local and smallscale businesses. I cannot remember what it is called, but it exists.
Since Temu and Shein started shipping to Nigeria, I haven't bought casual clothes from overpriced Lagos vendors. Same with kiddies clothes. I can only imagine what my former vendors are going through. So I understand their grievances.
What’s their grievances?
Re: Traders In Lagos Stage Protest Against Chinese Shops At Trade Fair And ASPANDA by Lekan239(m): 12:33pm On Sep 15
This people and always playing the victim card ehn. Juat the way Africans like playing victim card to the white.
Re: Traders In Lagos Stage Protest Against Chinese Shops At Trade Fair And ASPANDA by FSBoperator: 12:33pm On Sep 15
Tenses:
These trade have their connect in China but other logistics and overhead cost shoots the final price up.


The same thing they do with your tinubu government. They give tinubu loan and still supply raw materials and labour too.
Don't care

I want the baby and not the labour pains

If the Chinese can ship goods from China at a cheaper price , I am patronising them.
Re: Traders In Lagos Stage Protest Against Chinese Shops At Trade Fair And ASPANDA by PulaPower:
Shaketable:
And divide this country so Yorubas can be on their own, Y should d now president be out of their extraction? They are always saying people should leave Lagos for them forgetting that the so called Lagos was built from the common wealth of Nigeria
Nah Yoruba law Chinese people dey use operate or Nigeria law?

Nah only Chinese people dey Yoruba land ? What about the middle-east, Europeans, Americans, Italians, Spanish? They do all sell retails too… Wetin make we do to them?
Re: Traders In Lagos Stage Protest Against Chinese Shops At Trade Fair And ASPANDA by Christistruth03:
Nefort:
Don't be in a hurry to look at this matter in a simplistic view and use it to fuel your tribal disdain for the Igbos. The matter needs to be looked into in details because it can worsen the Nigerian economy. Remember the money the Chinese makes here will be moved to China.
The Chinese are already establishing Factories in the SW and employing indigenes

They are the ones building the Lekki Port for Lagos
Re: Traders In Lagos Stage Protest Against Chinese Shops At Trade Fair And ASPANDA by FSBoperator: 12:37pm On Sep 15
PulaPower:
Nah Yoruba law Chinese people dey use operate or Nigeria law?

Nah only Chinese people dey Yoruba land ? What about the middle-easy, Europeans, Americans, Italians, Spanish? They do all sell retails too… Wetin make we do to them?
Which law have the Chinese retailers broken ?

And are you the only tribe in Nigeria ?

Why are you crying ?
Re: Traders In Lagos Stage Protest Against Chinese Shops At Trade Fair And ASPANDA by Christistruth03: 12:38pm On Sep 15
PulaPower:
Nah Yoruba law Chinese people dey use operate or Nigeria law?

Nah only Chinese people dey Yoruba land ? What about the middle-easy, Europeans, Americans, Italians, Spanish? They do all sell retails too… Wetin make we do to them?
You forgot to mention their forefathers in Yorubaland the Lebanese and Yorubaland has never regretted having them
Re: Traders In Lagos Stage Protest Against Chinese Shops At Trade Fair And ASPANDA by kushme: 12:40pm On Sep 15
gigabyte13:
If they are selling cheaper and quality than the indigenous people, who benefits....huhhuhhuh?
Afterall the indigenous people too are not producing, they are also importing.
Look at it from whatever angle you chose to.
The indigenous folks would be fvcked, cos they don't produce, and even if the do, it is inferior and expensive. I rather go for cheap and quality. So, the indigenous shelves remain full,and less to no patronage.
Re: Traders In Lagos Stage Protest Against Chinese Shops At Trade Fair And ASPANDA by Tenses: 12:45pm On Sep 15
FSBoperator:
Don't care

I want the baby and not the labour pains

If the Chinese can ship goods from China at a cheaper price , I am patronising them.
I will aswell
Re: Traders In Lagos Stage Protest Against Chinese Shops At Trade Fair And ASPANDA by PulaPower: 12:46pm On Sep 15
Kalulu44:
Just hear yourself talk, people selling cement close to Dangote cement company are selling in retails e.g one one or two two to ten or there about.
Dangote company can't sell one bag of cement for you or anybody when they know their distributors are beside them.
Which is what this Chinese companies wants to do.
Banks can't do withdrawal of 1k again which is what POS is now for. Coca cola company can't sell one bottle to you when they know their distributors are out there.
So what are you not saying
Lol. Who told you Dangote no dey sell 1 bag? 🤣

You can buy 1 bag of cement at Dangote’s cuz even Dangote himself get him own shop near him company 🤣. Either you buy 1 bag or 100bags, no be profit both go bring?

The customers using pos near bank aren’t collecting 1k as well..

The Chinese aren’t doing anything beyond what’s called business. They saw a country they can come in to do business and make money and they took their chances..

You get my point now?
Re: Traders In Lagos Stage Protest Against Chinese Shops At Trade Fair And ASPANDA by ufotunang: 12:48pm On Sep 15
Benedict44:
The Chinese setting up warehouse in Nigeria should be condemned by everybody that understands economics.

Instead of them to set up factories to produce the goods here, they are setting up warehouse, which will invariably kill the local economy.

As a buyer, it looks good but if you look at it in the long term, it is very bad. It is not just about igbos. Every tribe has retailers that buys goods overseas and sell in Nigeria. What happens when those people can't compete?
What happens to your brother/sister working in those retail shops? It will affect everyone.

In fact, if you observe our economy, you will notice that since we tilted towards China and abandoned the USA, that is when things began to get worse because Chinese don't build factories unlike USA. They prefer to produce in China and sell in Nigeria.

USA companies will prefer to set up factories in Nigeria due to cheap labour but Chinese will prefer to manufacture in China and sell in Nigeria. We complain of unemployment but fail to understand these things.

Instead of warehouse, let them build factories here, produce it here and sell it cheaper. Everybody wins.
.. don't Nigerians and Igbos import goods from china and sell here in Nigeria... Nigerians and Igbos also have warehouses they stock and sell goods they import from china...so what is the problem there
Re: Traders In Lagos Stage Protest Against Chinese Shops At Trade Fair And ASPANDA by PulaPower: 12:49pm On Sep 15
Christistruth03:
Lagos and SW wants the Chinese retailers.
They are good for consumers
Prices of many consumer goods needed for Business like Solar panels, inverters, Computers and Phones will reduce and people would be able to invest their savings in viable industries like Agriculture

This type of Competition is good
The Chinese have also established Factories in SW

The ones we don't want them to engage in like Ankara and Aso Oke production
we the people of Yorubaland will inform them ourselves
Chinese people already know the kind of business they can’t go near in yorubaland. They already sabi this already. Hence why they focus on what they can be doing easily..

Chinese people dey buy Aso-oke from Nigeria here to go sell in another country. They’re not operating behind their means..
Re: Traders In Lagos Stage Protest Against Chinese Shops At Trade Fair And ASPANDA by TheAlchemist: 12:53pm On Sep 15
PulaPower:
Go to TikTok..

Search for Chinese Alaba Vendors..

You’ll see several..
Thanks
Re: Traders In Lagos Stage Protest Against Chinese Shops At Trade Fair And ASPANDA by ufotunang: 12:56pm On Sep 15
Kalulu44:
Are the Igbo men having factories and company in China producing or manufacturing?
Business in Nigeria is a free market..every country prays for foreign investments.. foreign investors to come and invest in their country...to step up businesses companies industries in their country...for this create jobs for their citizens and boost the economy of the country.. Chinese setting up factories in Nigeria it will create jobs for Nigerians and Nigeria youths.. direct and indirect jobs.it will reduce unemployment and create more business and job opportunities for Nigerians.. nothing wrong in Chinese setting up factories..we have factories set up by other foreigners and they create job for Nigerians..so they us nothing wrong in it
Re: Traders In Lagos Stage Protest Against Chinese Shops At Trade Fair And ASPANDA by owobokiri(m): 12:57pm On Sep 15
Jakpon:
Go where? The Ibos are the ones that needs to go.

Ibo traders sell at inflated prices while the original Chinese producers sell at pocket friendly factory prices.

Talking about factories, the Chinese set up their Manufacuring Facilities here in Yorubaland, employ Yoruba skilled and unskilled workers, pay taxes and royalties to Yoruba Governors. Engage in CSR projects etc.
Why cant you go and do it by yourselves?
You as a Nigerian can't go to China and import and sell cheap since you think it is that easy?
Go and do it naa.. Haba!
The Germans build your roads for you. The American run your army. The French run your government. The British own your oil. Now you want the Chinese to run your retail trade! Na so you wor-wor reach?
Go to China and India and run the biz like the igbos do!
What are you afraid of? Thought you said it was that easy...
Re: Traders In Lagos Stage Protest Against Chinese Shops At Trade Fair And ASPANDA by Kalulu44: 12:57pm On Sep 15
PulaPower:
Lol. Who told you Dangote no dey sell 1 bag? 🤣

You can buy 1 bag of cement at Dangote’s cuz even Dangote himself get him own shop near him company 🤣. Either you buy 1 bag or 100bags, no be profit both go bring?

The customers using pos near bank aren’t collecting 1k as well..

The Chinese aren’t doing anything beyond what’s called business. They saw a country they can come in to do business and make money and they took their chances..

You get my point now?
We're saying the same thing, can you go inside Dangote factory or company and buy 1 bag of cement?
You see all those outside outlets either close to Dangote company or far bearing the name of Dangote. I can categorically tell you, none is being owned by Dangote.
Those are individuals who register under dangote's name.
Same are with his trucks. About 50% of Dangote branded trucks are individually owned.
So my context remain dangote's factory can't sell one bag of cement to you except you go outside.
Who goes into the bank to withdraw 1k if not for pos. Banks are happy POS operator's are helping them in that aspect.
I'm not begrudging the Chinese of their rights to sell their goods.
They should have started this the very moment you came to Nigeria. Not after you solicited for distributors and wholesalers, and now you want to damage the businesses of those distributors and wholesalers.
So you want the distributors to start selling same as the Chinese which is the cost price they also got it from them, make it make sense pls
Re: Traders In Lagos Stage Protest Against Chinese Shops At Trade Fair And ASPANDA by Christistruth03: 12:57pm On Sep 15
Tenses:
I no like to dey discuss with tinubu people.

See a manufacturer manufactured a product outside your country but comes to your country to retail it, yet you see nothing wrong with it.
If their products were no good then why do your people mass import it into Nigeria
Re: Traders In Lagos Stage Protest Against Chinese Shops At Trade Fair And ASPANDA by Tenses: 1:03pm On Sep 15
Christistruth03:
If their products were no good then why do your people mass import it into Nigeria
Who say their products are no good.

Ogbeni read to understand.

Read again
Re: Traders In Lagos Stage Protest Against Chinese Shops At Trade Fair And ASPANDA by Kalulu44: 1:04pm On Sep 15
ufotunang:
Business in Nigeria is a free market..every country prays for foreign investments.. foreign investors to come and invest in their country...to step up businesses companies industries in their country...for this create jobs for their citizens and boost the economy of the country.. Chinese setting up factories in Nigeria it will create jobs for Nigerians and Nigeria youths.. direct and indirect jobs.it will reduce unemployment and create more business and job opportunities for Nigerians.. nothing wrong in Chinese setting up factories..we have factories set up by other foreigners and they create job for Nigerians..so they us nothing wrong in it
So where did I say it's wrong in Chinese setting up factories here in Nigeria.
From my first comment about this issue.
I reportedly said Chinese have over 200 different companies producing different goods inside Chinese free trade zone in Igbesa Ogun state.
That's a good development and they currently employed over 10k youths as I am speaking to you.
100s of trucks and trailers leave this zones everyday to go supply their distributors.
Isn't that enough for them.
Why then take these goods directly to where their distributors are and start selling at company's price.
That's the bone of contention here if you're not getting it.
Re: Traders In Lagos Stage Protest Against Chinese Shops At Trade Fair And ASPANDA by Christistruth03: 1:05pm On Sep 15
IyfeNamikaze:
It doesn't stand, they're not the manufacturers but they are local traders, the middle class of the economy, their wealth will be spent 100% in the Nigerian economy, this helps banks this helps the government. You people make noise about IGR, how do you think this IGR is generated and who is it gotten from?

The Chinese will spend a few of the money in Nigeria and send the rest to china, creating a wealth flight. Now you've impoverished your SMEs, knockout your local traders from the Market like we did with textile, the people are poorer meanwhile helping the Chinese economy to grow even larger and broader.

This is level one economics.
Let us explain this to you gently
The tools of production sold by the Chinese eg Solar Panels computers phones industrial machines , poultry incubators would help local people save more and have more to reinvest into their preferred local Businesses like Agriculture, Agro processing, Transportation, construction etc
Re: Traders In Lagos Stage Protest Against Chinese Shops At Trade Fair And ASPANDA by ufotunang: 1:07pm On Sep 15
owobokiri:
Why cant you go and do it by yourselves?
You as a Nigerian can't go to China and import and sell cheap since you think it is that easy?
Go and do it naa.. Haba!
The Germans build your roads for you. The American run your army. The French run your government. The British own your oil. Now you want the Chinese to run your retail trade! Na so you wor-wor reach?
Go to China and India and run the biz like the igbos do!
What are you afraid of? Thought you said it was that easy...
..the Chinese did not come to Nigeria to do business and run their business in a lose by.purposely selling products at cheap price

It depends on where the Chinese business men bought their products at the whole sale market..let the Igbos also go to the same whole sale market where Chinese normally buy their products from and also sell their products at cheap price ..
Re: Traders In Lagos Stage Protest Against Chinese Shops At Trade Fair And ASPANDA by ufotunang: 1:11pm On Sep 15
[quote author=Christistruth03 post=140643692][/quote].. Peter Obi did not do that.
It's fake news
Re: Traders In Lagos Stage Protest Against Chinese Shops At Trade Fair And ASPANDA by Christistruth03: 1:13pm On Sep 15
owobokiri:
Why cant you go and do it by yourselves?
You as a Nigerian can't go to China and import and sell cheap since you think it is that easy?
Go and do it naa.. Haba!
The Germans build your roads for you. The American run your army. The French run your government. The British own your oil. Now you want the Chinese to run your retail trade! Na so you wor-wor reach?
Go to China and India and run the biz like the igbos do!
What are you afraid of? Thought you said it was that easy...
Awolowo brought the Lebanese they engaged in both wholesale and retail Business and we have never regretted it till today.
Re: Traders In Lagos Stage Protest Against Chinese Shops At Trade Fair And ASPANDA by Phemact1: 1:17pm On Sep 15
Give or take, few years to come a lot of competitors from other countries most especially china will take major part of our sales when it comes to electronics and gadgets. Let's wait and see.
Re: Traders In Lagos Stage Protest Against Chinese Shops At Trade Fair And ASPANDA by owobokiri(m): 1:20pm On Sep 15
BENEAMATA:
The truth, the fact, you just laid bare absolutely correct . Fear the Chinese, they are the 21st century hegemonist empire and we shouldn't fold our arms at the practice of a rapidly rising economy powerhouse even another established world power , USA is having a serious trade war with . No one can convince me the semitic biblical God's people are more cunning and ruthless in business as these Chinese people .
That said , every monopolistic practices the Chinese do in that now threatens Nigeria' business , everything you wrote out there Is just bigger sharks chasing off sharks from the waters . At what point do we begin to see the two as same sharks ibut in different sizes exploiting Nigerians ? Aside the very valid long term adverse effect of our economy suffering the maximum capital flight why shouldn't consumers embrace goods and services at cheaper prices in this present economy ? Why has the price of say, a Fireman branded generator plug not come down from 1500 - 1700 from when petrol prices first hit 1100 naira in 2023 even when petrol later became as low as 680 naira ?. Now it is 2000 naira as we speak . Yes, we blame strait of Hormuz for now innit ? Look, we can't ask for government intervention now in a capitalist market when we were saying government can't enforce price control or curtail arbitrary price increase from marketers because they ( marketers) say government didn't buy their goods nor pay for the clearing cost for their imported goods from China . Well now, are the Chinese selling cheaper not also paying the government of Nigeria for the same imported goods ? Nigerians too must help the government to curb the threat the oriental people pose to Nigerian owned business by not being greedy. Let's not even start the menace of many dishonest , sharp practices Nigerian traders engage in with unsuspecting customers . Selling copper plated aluminium as copper , selling 2022 model as 2025 , substandard products flooding the markets etc.
You dont understand how this works. I am an importer. For a long time too. Even if you bring the whole Chinese here, I wont panic. I have my reasons. So while I stated what needs to be done, I am not necessarily worried about their presence here based on personal gains. I have lived with them. Over 20 years! On and off. I know these people. Very very well...
Look at where you got it wrong;

1) You mangled the reasons why the goods sold by the Chinese are cheaper. Theirs are cheaper because the own the factories. Again, businesses there, are generously granted outlandish financial inducements by the government to prosper. The Chinese government places large emphasis on job creation more than taxes. To earn taxes, you need people to be working and engaged. They understand this.

2) This is not about "big shark and small shark". It is a lie that importers make outrageous profits from imports. This can only happen if you are a big importer. Most Importers from Nigeria, are small scale Importers, who measure their goods by CBM, and not wholesale Importers who order personal container loads. As a result, the scale of profits varies. Most traders only rake in reasonable profits after many "turnovers". You can check.
Infact, I have priced goods in China whose prices are almost the same as the prices in Nigeria. Making me wonder where the Importers got them..

3) This one is a bit surreal but very very important;
There are Chinese triads!
These are extremely sophisticated Chinese gangs in the mould of say and the rest in Nigeria. They are very clever, very ruthless, very effective and very active in underground trace and illicit businesses. I believe they are the ones involved in illegal mining in Zamfara that caused Nigerians to yell at the Chinese government few months ago. They are into counterfeit and all that. And if you read closely, you will understand that most goods being sold by these new Chinese shops are fakes.

We need to be very careful here. The Chinese triads can impose a president on this country someday, if we allow them to entrench themselves
Re: Traders In Lagos Stage Protest Against Chinese Shops At Trade Fair And ASPANDA by Cyberterror: 1:23pm On Sep 15
Phemact1:
Give or take, few years to come a lot of competitors from other countries most especially china will take major part of our sales when it comes to electronics and gadgets. Let's wait and see.
Nothing wrong with that. The Chinese will beat prices down to levels much lower than those of Igbo traders.
Re: Traders In Lagos Stage Protest Against Chinese Shops At Trade Fair And ASPANDA by owobokiri(m): 1:23pm On Sep 15
Christistruth03:
Lagos and SW wants the Chinese retailers.
They are good for consumers
Prices of many consumer goods needed for Business like Solar panels, inverters, Computers and Phones will reduce and people would be able to invest their savings in viable industries like Agriculture

This type of Competition is good
The Chinese have also established Factories in SW

The ones we don't want them to engage in like Ankara , Adire and Aso Oke production
we the people of Yorubaland will inform them ourselves
You will always concort a squalid drivel to support cutting off your nose in order to spite your face..
Pathetic Lebanese
Re: Traders In Lagos Stage Protest Against Chinese Shops At Trade Fair And ASPANDA by IyfeNamikaze(m): 1:26pm On Sep 15
Christistruth03:
Let us explain this to you gently
The tools of production sold by the Chinese eg Solar Panels computers phones industrial machines , poultry incubators would help local people save more and have more to reinvest into their preferred local Businesses like Agriculture, Agro processing, Transportation, construction etc
You're too focused on the Tree and neglecting the entire forest.

Let me explain it to you.

Solar panels, computers, phones industrial machines are good, but you're killing a sector of your economy IF you allow foreign retailers who are also the producers of these commodities to come to your country and run your local retailers out of business. They're eating out of your economy from both ways! Because they produce those things that you can and flood your markets with them so your local manufacturers can't compete, they're also kicking your retailers out of business by coming to your shores to sale those communities on lower retail rates. Don't you people understand how economy works? They're killing you both in micro and Macro economically.

I don't think anyone of you have taken time to think about what you're all encouraging here.

There's nothing like "Preferred Local business" as far as Nigeria is concerned.
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