₦airaland Forum

ElevationD:
If other nationals, including Asians can demand that Nigerians should be deported from their countries, Nigerians have the right to protest such unfair competition by the Chinese and Indians.

Before now, it was the Indians in the garment and plastic industries. Now it is the Chinese, Cambodians, Taiwanese and Vietnamese , who manufacture the products in their countries, make the prices high for Nigerian importers there and then ship their own containers to Nigeria, to sell directly in the Nigerian retail market. Most Nigerians are not aware that a lot of the used clothes and shoes that they purchase are not only from China, but from Cambodia and Vietnam.

Sadly, while the Chinese are increasing their presence here, establishing Chinese towns and factories, our citizens are busy playing local xenophobia politics and destroying themselves. Infact, the same Chinese now parade the streets of Lagos with their wares, selling directly on the streets.

ElevationD:
Sorry bro, I think you are missing it.

You cannot be manufacturing the same product for me; I borrow at high amounts to pay your product price + shipping costs to deliver to my retail shop in Trade fair, only for you to compete against me by bringing the same product to the same market directly from your factory at very cheaper rates and expect me to stay silent. That’s very unfair trade practice.

ElevationD:
If other nationals, including Asians can demand that Nigerians should be deported from their countries, Nigerians have the right to protest such unfair competition by the Chinese and Indians.

Before now, it was the Indians in the garment and plastic industries. Now it is the Chinese, Cambodians, Taiwanese and Vietnamese , who manufacture the products in their countries, make the prices high for Nigerian importers there and then ship their own containers to Nigeria, to sell directly in the Nigerian retail market. Most Nigerians are not aware that a lot of the used clothes and shoes that they purchase are not only from China, but from Cambodia and Vietnam.

Sadly, while the Chinese are increasing their presence here, establishing Chinese towns and factories, our citizens are busy playing local xenophobia politics and destroying themselves. Infact, the same Chinese now parade the streets of Lagos with their wares, selling directly on the streets.

ElevationD:
If other nationals, including Asians can demand that Nigerians should be deported from their countries, Nigerians have the right to protest such unfair competition by the Chinese and Indians.

Before now, it was the Indians in the garment and plastic industries. Now it is the Chinese, Cambodians, Taiwanese and Vietnamese , who manufacture the products in their countries, make the prices high for Nigerian importers there and then ship their own containers to Nigeria, to sell directly in the Nigerian retail market. Most Nigerians are not aware that a lot of the used clothes and shoes that they purchase are not only from China, but from Cambodia and Vietnam.

Sadly, while the Chinese are increasing their presence here, establishing Chinese towns and factories, our citizens are busy playing local xenophobia politics and destroying themselves. Infact, the same Chinese now parade the streets of Lagos with their wares, selling directly on the streets.

Jakpon:
Oga you can take your advocacy and protest to iboland. Chase away all the Chinese in Onitsha, Aba, Owerri and all over iboland, but as far as we are concerned in Yorubaland, Chinese investors, Manufacturers and Retailers and welcome.

FSBoperator:
The Chinese will soon invest in mega warehouses and distribution networks and digital stores .

They will open their warehouses across the 5 working geopolitical zones and sell to retailers at a good price and directly to consumers.

The first mega warehouse will soon be commissioned along the Coastal highway Lagos -Ogun corridor and will serve all coastal states.

Another one will pop up in PH, then Abuja, then Kano and later Gombe to serve the other geopolical regions.

They won't be opening one in your region for fact that it might get raided by a mob .

shortgun:
It is not just about selling at cheaper prices to Nigerian buyers. It is also about killing Nigerian businesses.

Many people don't understand that the Chinese government supports its citizens businesses. Chinese businesses have the backing and support of their government.

So how do you expect ordinary Nigerian traders to compete against Chinese businesses and sell cheaper?

Jakpon:
Oga you can take your advocacy and protest to iboland. Chase away all the Chinese in Onitsha, Aba, Owerri and all over iboland, but as far as we are concerned in Yorubaland, Chinese investors, Manufacturers and Retailers and welcome.

ElevationD:
If other nationals, including Asians can demand that Nigerians should be deported from their countries, Nigerians have the right to protest such unfair competition by the Chinese and Indians.

Before now, it was the Indians in the garment and plastic industries. Now it is the Chinese, Cambodians, Taiwanese and Vietnamese , who manufacture the products in their countries, make the prices high for Nigerian importers there and then ship their own containers to Nigeria, to sell directly in the Nigerian retail market. Most Nigerians are not aware that a lot of the used clothes and shoes that they purchase are not only from China, but from Cambodia and Vietnam.

Sadly, while the Chinese are increasing their presence here, establishing Chinese towns and factories, our citizens are busy playing local xenophobia politics and destroying themselves. Infact, the same Chinese now parade the streets of Lagos with their wares, selling directly on the streets.

Belurved1:
It’s understandable that the Igbo dominate many of these markets and are major stakeholders in the importation and selling of goods there. However, despite their dominance, there are still many other importers and businessmen from different ethnic backgrounds operating in these markets.
My question is: why not work alongside these minority importers and encourage them to participate in the protest as well? Doing so would make it clearer that the concerns being raised are shared by businessmen across different ethnic groups, rather than being perceived as an exclusively Igbo movement.
Must other businessmen always be sidelined or looked down upon simply because they are fewer in number or may not be as financially powerful?
Imagine if significant numbers of minority importers from other ethnic groups had joined the protest. The public perception could have been very different, and the message might have been seen more broadly as a collective concern of Nigerian businesses rather than one associated primarily with a particular ethnic group.

ElevationD:
Oga, too much APC, Iran and tribalism is clearly taking its toll on you.

If you understood the issue, you’d not have made such a comment

We are talking about unfair trade practices that affect all Nigerian importers, who sell Chinese/Asian manufactured goods in various retail markets across the country. It has to do with Chinese manufacturers, who make importers purchase at high rates in Chinese factories to sell in Nigeria, while the same Chinese manufacturers, seeing that their products move in the market, seize the opportunity to bring in their own staff and flooding the markets with the same goods at far lower prices, therefore putting Nigerians out of jobs. Oga, Nigerians take the risk a lot of times, importing unknown products into the market to advertise. Manufacturers notice the rapidity of sales and plan how to bypass those who made the effort.

Many years ago Asians used to have well spelt out trade agreements with Nigerian importers. They put an end to that. Now the same products are found in the market, manufactured by the same factories, but with other brand names, taking advantage of OEM as the manufacturers.

Oga, the Chinese retailers that you see in the streets are direct representatives of factories in their home country. They are not looking for jobs. Go to trade fair, Alaba and Lagos Island markets to see for yasef. The same happens in the SE and NW.

So oga, no one is talking about immigration or your imaginary edict. We are talking of protection for Nigerians. We are talking out of personal experiences and not what APC wants us to pretend to say, as they tell you people.

The same people like you get angry that Nigerians in South Africa had their shops locked up by South Africans, who felt that their government did not do enough to protect the jobs of the citizens.

Tell your leaders who have political power to look at protecting Nigerian traders and effectively ensuring that jobs are not lost, in this APC hardship afflicted country.

victorazyvictor:
What stops you from manufacturing your own here and compete with them?
What are you lacking? Human resources or mineral resources?

Sheuns:
Before jumping into conclusions. Have you thought of the following;:

1. Cost of rent for a shop in Lagos markets?
2. Cost of tickets, levies and all sorts of taxes imposed on many markets by both the local and state governments?
3. Cost of clearing at the ports?
4. Exchange rates?
5. Cost of moving your products from the ports to your stores? I don’t think there’s a single market in Lagos state that you don’t have area boys demanding money from trucks, containers and individuals moving goods on the roads.
6. Interest rates on loans.

The Chinese on the other hand doesn’t have to battle all these and even if they do, they didn’t come with Naira to your country, they came with dollars a more stable and currency with higher purchasing value when compared to the Naira. Coupled with the fact that they have single digit loans and strong institutional supports from their governments.

No Nigerian business (SMEs, wholesaler) can compete with the Chinese in this venture, they have deeper pockets and can make profits with just a little margin.

A local reseller that sells an item he bought from China for 1000 Naira at 2500 Naira must have factored in all the costs I listed above and his profit may be just 300 or 500 Naira. The Chinese can decide to sell at 1800 Naira and maintain a margin of 300 Naira but he may have larger volume and his turnover would be better than the Nigerian SME that has just an inventory of 100 items.

The government should ensure that factories that produce do not also get into retailing. It’s counter productive.

I also blame some of our people.

Sleekfingers:
I prefer to buy from the Chinese, than to patronise our greedy brothers.

Our same brothers killed our textile industries with their useless importers back then. Now they are crying all over the place .

No one is saying they shouldn't make profit, but the outrageous price they are selling is a complete wickedness.

Are the Chinese breaking any law? If they are , then they should point it out and let the appropriate authority address it.

For now . The Chinese should continue doing what they are doing.

FSBoperator:
Lol

I found it funny how people that claim Lagos is no man's land are against the Chinese setting shop in same Lagos.

Yorubas no complain nah only dem dey cry and beg that Chinese be barred from retail for some stupid senseless reason that makes no sense whatsoever.

The Chinese should do quick and open a mega warehouse and start online shops with distribution networks across the country.

Anyone who can't adapt should return to Onitsha market where non Ibo traders are not allowed to have shops there.

ElevationD:
This is called hoping against hope.

Tell us how that will reduce the cost of goods please. Will that phone in your hand sell for cheaper amount? Will the cost of that your boxer, covering your small yansh and small okro size prik get cheaper?

No be only mega warehouse. Na storekeeper. With Chinese towns existing for years, tell us how the cost of products have reduced.

TEYA:
OHA nothing wey you fit tell me, our traders are very wicked people. Did VDM not show how wicked you people are? Pursuing 2000% profit per sale. Who does that?

AMINDA:
The foreigners should open production plants here in Nigeria, produce and then sell their products. Nigerian traders cannot be competing with foreign traders who have the advantages of economies of scale and a more favourable support from their home government. This is the same thing as expecting Dangote to compete with fuel importers after making a 25 billion dollar investment in building a refinery. Any competitor should put their money where their mouth is by building their own refinery in the country and crashing down prices.

Afrojuju2017:
Lagos State has taken control of trade fair market and would protect the retail commercial interests of the local indigenes.

The Chinese will stay if you are not happen you are free to relocate

ElevationD:
Agreed with you partially.

However, do you think Donald Trump acts counter productively in protecting American industries and citizens? I think Donald Trump does the right things when it comes to trade with other countries.

Government has the business of protecting the interests of the citizens. The Asians do that too.

Trade fair is a retail market area, where over 90% of the goods traded there are imported into the country. The Asians who have very solid industries, secure visas to visit Nigeria, reside in Nigeria, import from their industries to physically sell in the retail markets. I don’t see that as fair to Nigerian traders who import from the same Asian manufacturers at high prices, only to find the same Asian manufacturers competing with them in their retail markets. That the reason for imposing tariffs by Donald Trump to check make the excesses of the Chinese. Take off the unfair practices and provide jobs for his people first.,

My former Asian manufacturer at some points repeatedly also asked me about the possibility of agreeing with him to manufacture here in Lagos, the same product that I used to import from his factory. When I discussed partnership with him in his country to set up a factory for a particular item that he used to act as a middle man to get for me, he gave me a hugely inflated set up cost that put me off.

motymop:
buying directly from China does not mean you are buying from manufacturer, you are still buying from middleman

the average trader who buys from china at 1500 and sell to nigerian at 10k does that because they are not buying in volume, they are retailer

the funniest stuff is that you are crying loud online, which means nothing to the average trader

at the end of the day, the real decision will be taken at the union level and when the decision is taken, there is nothing you can do

BATified2023:
the profit our greedy brothers make, how has it benefit us as Nigerians?


The only thing u do is build empty houses in the village n rob it in the faces of we your customers that we are lazy


Imagine a seller telling his customers that they re lazy, Chinese traders won't do that.

Let the Chinese come n sell their wares, we ain't xenophobic here
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Everyone is free to sell

Asmanthinket:
I can see that your happiness is that you are not enjoying the cheap products from china, but the business of your fellow citizen is ruined by Chinese. Remember that the people whose business you think that is ruined started life with just 20 poud. Deja Vu

ElevationD:
What is our concern with that?

It pains you deeply that the same people surround you completely. Your gadgets, your house, your clothes, shoes, kitchen equipments, everything sold to you by the same people. Added to that, they are your landlords too. They sell drugs to you that save your life.

Why not simply clap for them. Praise them, so that they can do more to help you.

shortgun:
It is not just about selling at cheaper prices to Nigerian buyers. It is also about killing Nigerian businesses.

Many people don't understand that the Chinese government supports its citizens businesses. Chinese businesses have the backing and support of their government.

So how do you expect ordinary Nigerian traders to compete against Chinese businesses and sell cheaper?

motymop:
You are speaking lot of grammar that makes no logical sense..stop being emotional,you are a man for God sake

Always look at the bigger picture

The shop can be owned by any entity but rules of trading are set up by the unions

Yes, they can remove any foreign entity from the complex and can close their shop down

They can also sue the federal govt as a union for undermining trade

You also fail to realize that for govt it is all about votes, they can vote in a local govt chairman or a rep in both federal or state to fight for their interest

Afrojuju2017:
You mean all the fake drugs.

Your argument makes no sense
The Chinese manufacturer has no economic reason to inflate his price to the middleman distributor, it's because of the greed of the distributor increasing prices and making their product less competitive that has caused them to establish their own retail outlets in Nigeria to cut out the middleman.

The manufacturer wants his product to be price competitive and if a middleman is taking unfair advantage the manufacturer would do something about it.

CodeTemplar:
The reality is that the chinese are the cheapest goods producers globally and when you couple that with the fact they are able to bring it here and still beat our final cost of producing locally, then you realize just how dependent we are on them.

They have 1.4B mouths to feed and have been migrating lately to survive. They are simply bypassing the old distributors-wholesaler commerce tunnel to deliver their produce as retailers themselves. They committed no crime. In fact, we African are to blame for not pushing for competitive business environment. We were busy rationalizing activity of buying-selling as industrial scale productivity.
The producer remains the king of the consumer