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| Only A Return To The Law Of Moses Can Save Us by MrPresident1(op): 7:17pm On Sep 11 |
They have told you that the law of God is dead. But true salvation, Nigeria's salvation, the salvation both at the personal level and at the collective level will only be achieved by a return to the law of the Most high God. The people who told you that the law of God is dead have stolen your lives, they are the ones responsible for your misery, not discounting the fact the at you are responsible for your misery too Nigeria will continue to go worst and worst and people will continue to suffer like animals and beasts of burden until we all repent and call a holy convocation and return to the law of the Most High. 2 Chronicles 7:13-15 King James Version 13 If I shut up heaven that there be no rain, or if I command the locusts to devour the land, or if I send pestilence among my people; 14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. 15 Now mine eyes shall be open, and mine ears attent unto the prayer that is made in this place. Stop believing all these pastors, they are lying to you, they are in cahoots with the politicians and all your oppressors, they are all working to see that you never come out of poverty and spiritual darkness and blindness This is the law that they told you is dead: Deuteronomy 4:6-10 King James Version 6 Keep therefore and do them; for this is your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the nations, which shall hear all these statutes, and say, Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people. 7 For what nation is there so great, who hath God so nigh unto them, as the Lord our God is in all things that we call upon him for? 8 And what nation is there so great, that hath statutes and judgments so righteous as all this law, which I set before you this day? 9 Only take heed to thyself, and keep thy soul diligently, lest thou forget the things which thine eyes have seen, and lest they depart from thy heart all the days of thy life: but teach them thy sons, and thy sons' sons; 10 Specially the day that thou stoodest before the Lord thy God in Horeb, when the Lord said unto me, Gather me the people together, and I will make them hear my words, that they may learn to fear me all the days that they shall live upon the earth, and that they may teach their children. This is the law that is dead to you |
| Re: Only A Return To The Law Of Moses Can Save Us by MrPresident1(op): 11:13pm On Sep 11*. Modified: 9:15am On Sep 18 |
Some people have closed their minds completely from hearing about the law of Moses which is the law of the Most High. Some are ignorant, some are just fearful about what the law is truly about. Some with their full chest just don't want to hear anything about the law. For your information, Paul never said that the law is dead, and this is for you new age Pentecostals that have destroyed the world with your lawlessness, Paul never anywhere said that the Law is dead and Peter cautioned you when he told you that Paul from the wisdom which God had given him was writing about things difficult to understand, which natural brute beasts twist to their destruction. If Jesus Christ tells you that he has not come to abolish the law but to fulfil it and that one jot or tittle from the law will not pass away till all be fulfilled, where then did you get it that the law is dead? Are you crucifying Jesus a second time by saying that he is dead and should remain dead? What sort of Christians are these? Many are afraid of what they will find in the law Many are ignorant of what is in the law Yet there are stouthearted ones who know what is written but will not practice it This is the summary of the law: Isaiah 1:11-12 King James Version 11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the Lord: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats. 12 When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts? God has not asked you to sacrifice animals or rams or sheep or goats, he said he does not delight in animal sacrifices! Is it animal sacrifices that is makingbyou afraid of the law? It is abolished, the blood of Jesus Christ is all the blood of sacrifice that you need! God is asking you, who has required the blood of goats and rams and sheep, goats, bulls or bullocks from your hands before you can tread his courts, before you can come into his presence? The blood of sacrifices is not the law! |
| Re: Only A Return To The Law Of Moses Can Save Us by MrPresident1(op): 11:21pm On Sep 11 |
Isaiah 1:13-15 King James Version 13 Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting. 14 Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them. 15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood. This is the LORD himself from his own moit abolishing blood sacrifice! He does not want your oblations, your incense is abomination to him, your new moons and sabbaths, your assemblies and churches, your solemn meetings have all become abomination to him. You hands are full of blood You cannot bribe God with sacrifices of animals, he will not listen to your prayers. This is the problem with Nigeria. The blood is everywhere and the land is polluted, God will not hear us! Gather in MFM, Redeem, Catholic, Chosen, Dynamite, Deeper, Embassy, etc., and pray and rave from now to tomorrow, it is an exercise in futility, God is not in your assemblies and you are only making noise, your pastors are making fake 'prophetic' declarations, then they will collect all your money, all of you are lying and deceiving yourselves! God is not in whatever you are doing! |
| Re: Only A Return To The Law Of Moses Can Save Us by MrPresident1(op): 11:33pm On Sep 11 |
What then is the law we are asking you to return to? What exactly is the law of Moses? What exactly is the law that Jesus has come to fulfil? What is the law that one jot or tittle shall not fail from? What is the Law that make God so nigh to us in everything we ask him for? What is the law that makes us a wise intelligent and discerning nation? What is the law that places us far above all the nations of the earth? What is the law that brute beasts have told us is dead and buried? Isaiah 1:16-20 King James Version 16 Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil; 17 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow. 18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. 19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land: 20 But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it. This is the law of Moses, the law other Most High, the law that Jesus Christ personifies, that he has come to fulfil, this is the law that one jot or tittle all not fail from, listen carefully: Wash yourselves Make yourselves clean Put away the evil of your doings away from my eyes Cease to do evil Whan you have done all these, then come, let us reason together, even if your sins are crimson like blood, they will become like wool. This comes with a big blessing If you are willing, if you will embrace my law and do what I delight in, if you are willing and obedient, you shall eat the god of the land. But if you refuse, which is the sate most of you law deniers are, you lawless ones, the sword will devour you. Youbwill not eat the riches of the land, you will not see when good comes, you will waste away in a salt and desert land. This is what the mouth of the Lord has spoken |
| Re: Only A Return To The Law Of Moses Can Save Us by MrPresident1(op): 11:40pm On Sep 11 |
If there is a collective rebellion against the law of the LORD, there can be individual return into the law. The law is no longer for every tom dîck and Harry, the law is now for every individual who is willing. The way of the law is the strait and narrow path, you can choose to follow it, or you can choose the broadway, it is entirely your decision to make. And if you make up your mind today to come back into the law, you have hit a gold mine. |
| Re: Only A Return To The Law Of Moses Can Save Us by MrPresident1(op): 9:59pm On Sep 14*. Modified: 6:59am On Sep 15 |
Many people think that the complicated blood sacrifices in the Old Testament is what the law is really about. No, you are wrong. When Jesus died, all those blood sacrifices were abolished, and the blood of Jesus became the most potent sacrifice for the remission of sins as the Bible says: Hebrews 9:21-23 King James Version 21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry. 22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission. The blood of Jesus has removed the need of shedding the blood of animals for the atonement and remission of sins. In fact, even before Jesus Christ died, God had already told Israel and Judah that his law isn't about killing animals and making sacrifices of animals but His law is all about obeying Him. 1 Samuel 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams. Isaiah 1:10-12 King James Version 10 Hear the word of the Lord, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah. 11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the Lord: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats. 12 When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts? God was so angry with his people that he called them Sodom and Gomorrah. They were making endless sacrifices of animals but their hearts were far from him. There is no complication in the law of Moses, it is all about obeying the LORD |
| Re: Only A Return To The Law Of Moses Can Save Us by MrPresident1(op): 8:02am On Sep 15 |
What exactly is the law of Moses? Deuteronomy 6:4-6 King James Version 4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord: 5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. 6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart Deuteronomy 10:11-13 King James Version 11 And the Lord said unto me, Arise, take thy journey before the people, that they may go in and possess the land, which I sware unto their fathers to give unto them. 12 And now, Israel, what doth the Lord thy God require of thee, but to fear the Lord thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the Lord thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul, 13 To keep the commandments of the Lord, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good? When God called Israel out of Egypt and established them as a nation in the promised land, he gave them a constitution. Every nation on the face of the earth has a constitution, Nigeria has, Togo has, Ghana has, America has, Japan has, Vietnam has, China has, Angola has, Saudi has, Iran has, Belize has etc., this the the law, the grundnorm of everything they do in their country, the foundation of their collective existence as a nation, the law and ideology that binds them all together which must not be broken, and when it is broken must be required The constitution of a nation is sacred because it tells them what to do in every situation that they found themselves. It is their law, their ordinance, their statutes In the case of Israel and Judah, this is their nation constitution. This passage below explains it Deuteronomy 4:4-8 King James Version 4 But ye that did cleave unto the Lord your God are alive every one of you this day. 5 Behold, I have taught you statutes and judgments, even as the Lord my God commanded me, that ye should do so in the land whither ye go to possess it. 6 Keep therefore and do them; for this is your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the nations, which shall hear all these statutes, and say, Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people. 7 For what nation is there so great, who hath God so nigh unto them, as the Lord our God is in all things that we call upon him for? 8 And what nation is there so great, that hath statutes and judgments so righteous as all this law, which I set before you this day? This is the law that Moses gave to Israel as commanded by the LORD. Everyone that cleaved to the law did not die, the law is the one that keeps alive. The statutes and ordinances of the law is our wisdom and understanding which made other nations to perceive us as a wise and understanding people. But they said that the law is dead! Oh my God Paul never said that the law is dead, he was putting in strong arguments to justify that the Gentiles from the beginning should also be part of the blessings of the law, Peter said the things were difficult to understand but that Paul was speaking from the wisdom that God has given to him. Peter called people who were twisting these hard things 'natural brute beasts' who would eventually be destroyed. The law of Moses is our wisdom and greatness in the sight of the nations. This is what we must do, we must call a holy convocation and return to the law. |
| Re: Only A Return To The Law Of Moses Can Save Us by nairalanda1(m): 8:43am On Sep 15 |
MrPresident1:God will surely look down upon you and require all these things that you are doing from you. Just be patient. You will surely have what you deserve. |
| Re: Only A Return To The Law Of Moses Can Save Us by MrPresident1(op): 9:09am On Sep 15 |
Amin. Let it come quickly. nairalanda1: |
| Re: Only A Return To The Law Of Moses Can Save Us by MrPresident1(op): 9:10am On Sep 17 |
We must return to the law. There is no other way |
| Re: Only A Return To The Law Of Moses Can Save Us by MrPresident1(op): 10:14pm On Sep 17 |
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| Re: Only A Return To The Law Of Moses Can Save Us by Ken4Christ: 10:26pm On Sep 17 |
MrPresident1:The word fulfill in the context our Lord Jesus used it means to bring a justified end to the Law of Moses. So, the Law has been legally abolished. There are two many scriptures to back it up. The Church of Christ is not under the Law of Moses. |
| Re: Only A Return To The Law Of Moses Can Save Us by bobestman(m): 12:01am On Sep 18 |
had been cooked up many times and are in ignorance. What counts is righteousness and being led by the Spirit within cos many things written were written or translated by the wrong people who know not the law The law once manifested to make things clear written about him. You can't properly keep the law untill the law manifest again in person. He will first unite again the 2 broken houses (Isreal and Judah). Then his temple needs to be rebuilt where he will stand as a Highpriest - the Branch, to offer righteous sacrifices. He is the law and law giver. It's only when he manifest that you can properly follow the law cos their is a sacrifice he will do to properly cleanse the people and initiate the righteous Way to do it. Anything you are following or doing now is OYO. For now be righteous and let the immutable light within you lead you |
| Re: Only A Return To The Law Of Moses Can Save Us by MrPresident1(op): 9:38am On Sep 18*. Modified: 2:46pm On Sep 18 |
Ken4Christ:Jesus Christ said that not one jot or tittle will fail from the law, has all the prophecies in the Bible been fulfilled? Has all the law and the prophets been fulfilled up till this day? The law has been legally abolished? You mean Jesus who is the personification of the law of Moses has been legally abolished? Paul never anywhere told anyone that the law is dead or abolished. In all his missionary journeys, he was preaching the law, and he was showing people through hard arguments that it was God's purpose from the very beginning to bring the Gentiles also into the joys and blessings of the Law. Peter affirmed Paul, he called people who were twisting Paul 'natural brute beasts' The church is made up of both lineage Israel and Gentile converts all reconciled into the law of Moses. The law is forever. Deuteronomy 4:5-7 King James Version 5 Behold, I have taught you statutes and judgments, even as the Lord my God commanded me, that ye should do so in the land whither ye go to possess it. 6 Keep therefore and do them; for this is your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the nations, which shall hear all these statutes, and say, Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people. 7 For what nation is there so great, who hath God so nigh unto them, as the Lord our God is in all things that we call upon him for? Anyone who says that the law of moses is dead in the church is practising and preaching lawlessness. This is the commandments of God, who never changes, he commanded Moses to teach His people. This is the law that shows God's wisdom among the nations, the laws which show that the people who practise them are wise people. This is the law that brings God so nigh to His people and He hears them when they call upon him for everything. This is the law that is dead? This is the summary of the law which you say is abolished Deuteronomy 6:4-6 King James Version 4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord: 5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. 6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart Matthew 7:11-13 King James Version 12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets. When we try to define any interpretation as being contextual in the Bible or not, it must be within the whole frame of the Bible. The law was never about animal sacrifices. |
| Re: Only A Return To The Law Of Moses Can Save Us by MrPresident1(op): 9:46am On Sep 18 |
bobestman:You must accept the law of Moses. The Law of Moses is the righteousness of God, the wisdom of God, and the power of God. Matthew 7:11-13 King James Version 12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets. Is this not the summary of the law? What you want others to do to you, that is what you should do to them, what is more than this in the law? Why write so much because you want to continue to be lawless? There will be no redemption on the personal and individual level until there is a return to the law on the personal and individual level, this is not a call to the whole congregation of Nigeria, this is a call to the persons seeking the strait and narrow path, you will save yourself and your people if you practise the law of Moses. The collective salvation of all the people will come when Jesus returns Matthew 7:11-13 King James Version 13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: |
| Re: Only A Return To The Law Of Moses Can Save Us by bobestman(m): 9:54am On Sep 18 |
Ken4Christ:Be careful how you twist things How does to fulfill and bring a justify end correlate? To fulfill means to accomplish things written about him in the law and he did many of such. To abolish means to completely abandoned. That will mean that many things written about him both those fulfilled and still to be fulfilled are no longer necessary What he actually did is to abrogate or correct things written cos he was the law and lawgiver so he knows all written but before he came many quack priest started interpreting it wrongly using it as a weapon to hurt the people. Let's take for example the woman caught in adultery. She is supposed to be stoned according to the law. But he was against it cos many of them including their priests secretly commits it but want to enforce that law on another person. They all sin but want to kill another for sinning. So the right thing to do is to correct the person with the law and let them have a change of heart. It's just like taking someone to a place of corrections rather than just kpaing the person for the sin. This doesn't mean that the law changed. It means that it was rightly applied. He is the law and law giver so he knew what was right. Quoting Paul and the epistles to disprove this is a waste of time. This is what Christ taught not men |
| Re: Only A Return To The Law Of Moses Can Save Us by Dtruthspeaker: 10:03am On Sep 18 |
bobestman:He knows, he just cannot accept it for this is his bias. |
| Re: Only A Return To The Law Of Moses Can Save Us by MrPresident1(op): 10:06am On Sep 18 |
bobestman:That woman that was caught in Adultery, Jesus took her place and died for her because the Law will not be broken. That place is an allegory, the wanted to kill their own mother for adultery; they were all hypocrites But God took the place of the woman, because he is her husband. He died for her, in her place, thus breaking the curse of the law upon her. |
| Re: Only A Return To The Law Of Moses Can Save Us by bobestman(m): 10:28am On Sep 18 |
MrPresident1:You are right |
| Re: Only A Return To The Law Of Moses Can Save Us by Ken4Christ: 12:35am On Sep 19 |
bobestman:Check my thread: The Controversial Verses - Matthew 5:17-18, Explained. It will answer your questions |
| Re: Only A Return To The Law Of Moses Can Save Us by Ken4Christ: 12:35am On Sep 19 |
MrPresident1:Check my thread: The Controversial Verses - Matthew 5:17-18, Explained. It will answer your questions |
| Re: Only A Return To The Law Of Moses Can Save Us by Dtruthspeaker: 7:40am On Sep 19 |
Ken4Christ:Those threads also showed that i proved you were wrong but your bias and wish won't allow you take correction. Anyway, we would see what The Court shall Say |
| Re: Only A Return To The Law Of Moses Can Save Us by bobestman(m): 10:49am On Sep 19 |
Ken4Christ:Hehehe. Bro just rest |
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