₦airaland Forum

onuman:
What of your tribes people? Are they immune to doing jobs and businesses?
Why are you so fixated on Igbo?
Do Igbos have special brains for business?
Did Igbo buy your papa's burial ground and built house on it?
Igbo, Igbo this, Igbo that. When Igbos asked you to have Nigeria and your tribe grounds for yourselves, you people refused.

Were Ore and Okitipupa in the West part of Biafra?
What we're Ojukwu's Soldier's doing there?

If Ojukwu had seized Lagos do you think he would have returned it ?
So you don't know Ojukwu wanted Lagos for himself?

We're you actually expecting us to donate Yorubaland to Ojukwu after he seized the Midwest and imposed Major Okonkwo on them ?

Please Read Ojukwu's letter to Col Banjo at the Warfront

If Biafra try nonsense una go see nonsense

onuman:
What of your tribes people? Are they immune to doing jobs and businesses?
Why are you so fixated on Igbo?
Do Igbos have special brains for business?
Did Igbo buy your papa's burial ground and built house on it?
Igbo, Igbo this, Igbo that. When Igbos asked you to have Nigeria and your tribe grounds for yourselves, you people refused.

Not a single yoruba man has made a complaint of the Chinese retailers but if they were to complain the answer would be same. The sky is large enough for all birds to fly

We've had yoruba farmers in oke ogun coorporating and competing with Chinese farmers for more than a decade now.

And yes no one is immune from foreign competition on that we can agree.

The world is a global village, there are Igbo traders in far away Gabon trading. This is the new reality and it benefits the consumer the middleman is an inefficiency that has been expunged from the trade, the middleman adds cosy without value

onuman:
What of your tribes people? Are they immune to doing jobs and businesses?
Why are you so fixated on Igbo?
Do Igbos have special brains for business?
Did Igbo buy your papa's burial ground and built house on it?
Igbo, Igbo this, Igbo that. When Igbos asked you to have Nigeria and your tribe grounds for yourselves, you people refused.

And pls let's be civil in our utterances.

No Igbo man has the wealth to buy my father's house, not even Ojukwu's father at the height of his wealth.

jaxxy:
The problem with that is the chinese are not building the factories here and neither are they teaching u their production techonologies, they are importing from they place and destroying ur local market will giving cheap price to consumers but robbing u of ur local production and future.

Its like selling ur birth right to the chinese for chicken change.


China can never allow any foriegn manufaturer do that in their country. Keep support the robbery of ur future and hailing ur robbers.

China is not robbing anyone of manufacturing because the complaints of the traders is not of manufacturing for which the FG already has local manufacturing protection in the form of import duties but the traders are saying that the manufacturer is sidelining the middleman distributor who has been exposed to have been exploiting the consumer with high prices.


China continues to be a major export market of American and German goods they domesticated some manufacturing in the 80s and made incremental improvement over time, it's an opportunity for the traders to go into manufacturing locally to try beat the Chinese in price.

Maybe in a decade or two with continued effort they'll get there. A lot of government support would help they'll surely need it.

jaxxy:
China was not yet advanced in 1950-1980 so pls dont blame igbos for anything. In the 1990/2000's maybe.

As of the late 80s and early 90s the importation of Chinese clones together with the economic downturn between 83-90s

Afrojuju2017:
As of the late 80s and early 90s the importation of Chinese clones together with the economic downturn between 83-90s

It wasnt igbos. It was the whole production sector afected by the ecomomy.


And till date yorubas are still selling and importing textiles just go to lagos island.

Afrojuju2017:
Not a single yoruba man has made a complaint of the Chinese retailers but if they were to complain the answer would be same. The sky is large enough for all birds to fly

We've had yoruba farmers in oke ogun coorporating and competing with Chinese farmers for more than a decade now.

And yes no one is immune from foreign competition on that we can agree.

The world is a global village, there are Igbo traders in far away Gabon trading. This is the new reality and it benefits the consumer the middleman is an inefficiency that has been expunged from the trade, the middleman adds cosy without value

Do you even know that China government gives soft loans to the Chinese to go out to other parts of the world to do business in the process of getting China to take over businesses all over the world?

Do you know that many governments in Europe subsidise some businesses so that their citizens will remain in control of such businesses?

If Nigeria's government subsidised your Oke Ogun farmers, they will remain in control, Chinese will not be able to compete with local farmers.
If Tinubu wants to make Chinese compete and take control of the businesses the Igbos used to control, that's injurious to the economy of Nigeria.

Afrojuju2017:
China is not robbing anyone of manufacturing because the complaints of the traders is not of manufacturing for which the FG already has local manufacturing protection in the form of import duties but the traders are saying that the manufacturer is sidelining the middleman distributor who has been exposed to have been exploiting the consumer with high prices.


China continues to be a major export market of American and German goods they domesticated some manufacturing in the 80s and made incremental improvement over time, it's an opportunity for the traders to go into manufacturing locally to try beat the Chinese in price.

Maybe in a decade or two with continued effort they'll get there. A lot of government support would help they'll surely need it.

U dont seem to understand the game here and thats why 60 years later we cant build our own bridges we have to call chinese or lebanese engineers and companies to build our infrastructure. They will flood ur country with cheap china goods and u will be rejoicing in ignorance.

If the Osun State women compete with the Chinese in Akara production of course the Osun women must win because they understand the Art of Akara production in a way that would make them consultants to the Chinese no matter the level of Technology the Chinese put into its production

The Osun women have infinite ways of making their Akara more highly sought after by Customers which the Chinese can never match it is a fine Art like the production of Sushi

jaxxy:
U dont see to understand the game here and thats why 60 years later we can build our own bridge we have to call chinese or lebanese engineers and companies to build our infrastructure. They will flood ur country with cheap china goods and u will be rejoicing in ignorance.

You may not know history but 40 years ago were starting to build our own bridges and large complex civil engineering development, the corruption of the federal government due to the unification decree of 1966 and the subsequent actions of Gowon and subsequent governments till this day has robbed us.

There are major civil engineering companies in Nigeria who do major jobs, all the engineering leads in Julius Berger are Nigerians so it's evidently not a function of capacity likewise for shell

jaxxy:
U dont see to understand the game here and thats why 60 years later we can build our own bridge we have to call chinese or lebanese engineers and companies to build our infrastructure. They will flood ur country with cheap china goods and u will be rejoicing in ignorance.

The county was already flooded with cheap Chinese goods, the traders who were selling before also sold Chinese goods so what is your argument?

Unless you know of a major electronics manufacturer in Abia

onuman:
Do you even know that China government gives soft loans to the Chinese to go out to other parts of the world to do business in the process of getting China to take over businesses all over the world?

Do you know that many governments in Europe subsidise some businesses so that their citizens will remain in control of such businesses?

If Nigeria's government subsidised your Oke Ogun farmers, they will remain in control, Chinese will not be able to compete with local farmers.
If Tinubu wants to make Chinese compete and take control of the businesses the Igbos used to control, that's injurious to the economy of Nigeria.

Countries in Europe don't subside SME, they may grant them business loans, give small grants, give tax breaks but no country grants subsidy.

I live in Europe and do business in Europe


Livestock farmers are subsidised in Europe but the subsidy is not limited to indigenous individuals but rather any business of a certain size that falls within the criteria, usually smallholder livestock owners within a tax bracket

Afrojuju2017:
The county was already flooded with cheap Chinese goods, the traders who were selling before also sold Chinese goods so what is your argument?

Unless you know of a major electronics manufacturer in Abia

They were manufactuers and importers in abia yes.

China doesnt allow u bring ur goods to china and defitely not what competes with the local business.

onuman:
Do you even know that China government gives soft loans to the Chinese to go out to other parts of the world to do business in the process of getting China to take over businesses all over the world?

Do you know that many governments in Europe subsidise some businesses so that their citizens will remain in control of such businesses?

If Nigeria's government subsidised your Oke Ogun farmers, they will remain in control, Chinese will not be able to compete with local farmers.
If Tinubu wants to make Chinese compete and take control of the businesses the Igbos used to control, that's injurious to the economy of Nigeria.

No group can take over all the world. Everybody will still have what they do to gain income. The onus is on your government to tax those who chose to work in its territory. If a Chinese is making 100k dollars per annum in Ibadan, he may not be able to send up to 10k a year back to China if up to that at all. As time goes on, he will marry in Ibadan and remain there

jaxxy:
They were manufactuers and importers in abia yes.

China doesnt allow u bring ur goods to china and defitely not what competes with the local business.

.Foreign goods do enter China. No country is self sufficient. Even food enter China and if you produce anything here, they have no choice but to let it enter. The barrier is power. If there is power, even the Chinese will come here to manufacture and the cost of production will be significantly lower than in China

lawani:
.Foreign goods do enter China. No country is self sufficient. Even food enter China and if you produce anything here, they have no choice but to let it enter. The barrier is power. If there is power, even the Chinese will come here to manufacture and the cost of production will be significantly lower than in China

China doesnt allow many external goods or even companies expecially from random importers. They are not a dumping ground like nigeria.

jaxxy:
China doesnt allow many external goods or even companies expecially from random importers. They are not a dumping ground like nigeria.

Like what? They import food, animal feed, textiles, phones, computers and etc. What again? If you drop your price, they will buy from you They buy everything that other people are better at producing

QuinQQ:
Never mind all that, how are your ancestors this fine early Friday morning?

Did your ancestors own Lagos? So the Yorubas are bringing in Chinese merchants to replace Igbos and have the Chinese merchants pay tribute to the King of Lagos that the Igbos was unwilling to do? I have an understanding of what the situation is, even in the Black Box the Big Manism dominates. In this case the Big Man is the King of Lagos. May he long live.

lawani:
Like what? They import food, animal feed, textiles, phones, computers and etc. What again? If you drop your price, they will buy from you They buy everything that other people are better at producing

What textiles and computers do they import?

jaxxy:
They were manufactuers and importers in abia yes.

China doesnt allow u bring ur goods to china and defitely not what competes with the local business.

Last time I checked Tesla , BMW, Merc still sells cars in China,
They still use German CNC machines
Still buy semiconductors from Western countries
Etc etc

You evidently are not sufficiently knowledgeable

Afrojuju2017:
Last time I checked Tesla , BMW, Merc still sells cars in China,
They still use German CNC machines
Still buy semiconductors from Western countries
Etc etc

You evidently are not sufficiently knowledgeable

I just showed u a search result from Google and u are still arguing. China is very selective about their imports especially on finished products because of their local manufacuring sector.

Bmw, mercedes and many others started getting imported b4 china car industry took shape or advanced. They made sure they established major plants and learnt the technology to develop their own local car industry. That how china operates.

Not like nigeria only flooding the country with finishes goods not learning the techonology to build their local industries.

LouisdeFrance:
Did your ancestors own Lagos? So the Yorubas are bringing in Chinese merchants to replace Igbos and have the Chinese merchants pay tribute to the King of Lagos that the Igbos was unwilling to do? I have an understanding of what the situation is, even in the Black Box the Big Manism dominates. In this case the Big Man is the King of Lagos. May he long live.

See my post below. They should leave Chinese alone to do their biz. Even if I were Igno I'd still be saying same thing. DMCA remind our big man of his ancestors!

QuinQ:
Thank you for your attention to this matter too, but you are wrong. There is nowhere in economics or morality that it is discouraged that the manufacturer sells directly to the consumer. In fact that is the ideal scenario - elimination of the middle man. The only reason you don't see a lot of selling to the final consumer is because of specialization. It is difficult to specialize in both manufacture and distribution. Airlines sell directly to the consumer (the flyer) but they also use middle men (travel agencies) not because they're trying to help them but because they have the specialty to sell more tickets! Also phone companies like Apple and Samsung.

As for government stepping in, OF COURSE! There are so many things the government ought step in, including all these loan apps and ponzi schemes!

jaxxy:
I just showed u a search result from Google and u are still arguing. China is very selective about their imports especially on finished products because of their local manufacuring sector.

Bmw, mercedes and many others started getting imported b4 china car industry took shape or advanced. They made sure they established major plants and learnt the technology to develop their own local car industry. That how china operates.

Not like nigeria only flooding the country with finishes goods not learning the techonology to build their local industries.

Tesla have sold 316k cars this year
Merc 500k +

I've not even bothered to check Toyota
VW
BMW
Audi

China has a competitive auto industry and these brands are struggling on the basis of price and quality, China does have import levies same way Nigeria does but they have not banned the importation or retail of foreign brands or products in China.

Your argument lacks merit in both logic and fact

jaxxy:
What textiles and computers do they import?

China continues to be a major importer of exotic goods, and premium goods. Liquor, clothing and textiles, automobile products, art. The consumer purchase power has grown so much that a lot of design of global products has been influenced by the Chinese taste for more than a decade.

The reason automakers increased the size of the front grills on their cars is because of Chinese taste especially BMW and Audi.

Chinese buy designer clothing at an alarming rate, I went to college with 20 Chinese exchange students from middle upper class families and I got to see some of their attitudes, they are very brilliant and very competitive. The honour code was very strong amongst the ones I meet but note that these were elite kids.

Whiskey and brandy is notoriously exported to China at a ridiculous rate.

I work in high tech with lithography tools, China were buying up all EUV and litho equipment for years, they buy finished computing good and CNC machinery.

You don't know China but you assume you do

Afrojuju2017:
China continues to be a major importer of exotic goods, and premium goods. Liquor, clothing and textiles, automobile products, art. The consumer purchase power has grown so much that a lot of design of global products has been influenced by the Chinese taste for more than a decade.

The reason automakers increased the size of the front grills on their cars is because of Chinese taste especially BMW and Audi.

Chinese buy designer clothing at an alarming rate, I went to college with 20 Chinese exchange students from middle upper class families and I got to see some of their attitudes, they are very brilliant and very competitive. The honour code was very strong amongst the ones I meet but note that these were elite kids.

Whiskey and brandy is notoriously exported to China at a ridiculous rate.

I work in high tech with lithography tools, China were buying up all EUV and litho equipment for years, they buy finished computing good and CNC machinery.

You don't know China but you assume you do

Chinese make the designer cloths in mass production for the european designers and knock offs. and u are here saying they buy designer cloths?

U do have some knowledge about china but very limited knowledge. U have no idea of alot of things happening in china.

Schooling with chinese doesnt mean they will tell u everything about their country.

Afrojuju2017:
China continues to be a major importer of exotic goods, and premium goods. Liquor, clothing and textiles, automobile products, art. The consumer purchase power has grown so much that a lot of design of global products has been influenced by the Chinese taste for more than a decade.

The reason automakers increased the size of the front grills on their cars is because of Chinese taste especially BMW and Audi.

Chinese buy designer clothing at an alarming rate, I went to college with 20 Chinese exchange students from middle upper class families and I got to see some of their attitudes, they are very brilliant and very competitive. The honour code was very strong amongst the ones I meet but note that these were elite kids.

Whiskey and brandy is notoriously exported to China at a ridiculous rate.

I work in high tech with lithography tools, China were buying up all EUV and litho equipment for years, they buy finished computing good and CNC machinery.

You don't know China but you assume you do

unless u are talking about high broad areas like macao and Hong Kong,on it the produce those luxury there As well

jaxxy:
Chinese make the designer cloths in mass production for the european designers and knock offs. and u are here saying they buy designer cloths?

U do have some knowledge about china but very limited knowledge. U have no idea of alot of things happening in china.

Schooling with chinese doesnt mean they will tell u everything about their country.

LVMH sales in China H1 2026 was $38billion down 3% year on year.

Evidently your knowledge of what is happening globally is limited

Btw LVMH covers luxury goods across a wide range from moet champagne to Swiss watches and Brandy

Afrojuju2017:
LVMH sales in China H1 2026 was $38billion down 3% year on year.

Evidently your knowledge of what is happening globally is limited

Btw LVMH covers luxury goods across a wide range from moet champagne to Swiss watches and Brandy

Where was the LVMH made?

China also buys billions worth of iphone but those iphones are made in china. Thats my point.

QuinQQ:
See my post below. They should leave Chinese alone to do their biz. Even if I were Igno I'd still be saying same thing. DMCA remind our big man of his ancestors!

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DMCA:
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DMCA:
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jaxxy:
Where was the LVMH made?

China also buys billions worth of iphone but those iphones are made in china. Thats my point.

LVMH is a luxury brands that prides itself in crafted items and doesn't make most of its products in China, a Swiss made watch has to be made in Switzerland to have the designation Swiss made, I don't think you wear LV much even their sweat shop items are made in Vietnam and Cambodia not China, surely Hennessy and Moet are not made in china but France.

Oga just take the lecture

China imports £300M of UK whiskey in the last five years, $400m in global whiskey import to China in just 2026
That's just one product

Oga just stop diging you're in a hole already