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420-Year-Old Tortoise 'Baba' Dies At Alaafin’s Palace In Oyo, Draws Controversy by ManirBK(op): 6:43am On Sep 21
420-year Age Claim For Late Tortoise Draws Controversy


Controversy has continued to trail the longevity of the tortoise, believed to be 420 years old and known as Baba, that died on 14th September, 2026, at the palace of the Alaafin of Oyo, Oyo State.

Baba, regarded as a treasured relic of the Oyo Kingdom, reportedly died on Monday after falling ill and was later buried.

After the burial, the echoes raised by the age declaration still linger, with many demanding scientific or mythical proof of such longevity claims.

Analysts noted that though tortoises are renowned for their impressive lifespans, verifying their exact ages has been challenging. Thus, in most cases, records of tortoises’ ages have been questioned because of inconsistencies emanating over time from changes in the reported sex or species of the tortoise.

To this end, they submitted that such discrepancies suggest that some claims of extreme longevity might be due to replacements or errors in record-keeping.

Global records showed that Adwaita, an Aldabra giant tortoise who lived at the Alipore Zoo in Kolkata, was believed to have been between 150 and 255 years old when he died in 2006.

As the controversy rages, both zoologists and traditionalists have differed on the death of the 420-year-old tortoise at the palace of Alaafin of Oyo, Oba Abimbola Owoade.

Dissecting the issue, a renowned academic in the Department of Zoology, University of Ibadan, Dr Adetunji Adewale, told LEADERSHIP that a 420-year-old tortoise was biologically impossible, based on confirmed scientific data, as the absolute maximum verified lifespan for giant tortoises is roughly 190 to 250 years.

Apparently reacting to the death of the tortoise in scientific reality, he said verified records show giant tortoises live up to two centuries, not four.

According to him, “Tortoises have slow metabolisms and high resistance to oxidative stress, but their cells still degrade over time.”

He said claims that animals live past 300 or 400 years rely on unverified folklore, legends, or oral traditions rather than documented birth records.

He also noted that the oldest known living land animal is Jonathan, a Seychelles giant tortoise on the island of St. Helena, estimated at about 193 years old. Then an Aldabra giant tortoise that lived at the Alipore Zoological Gardens in India was believed to have reached about 250 years old before dying in 2006.

“If a 420-year-old tortoise actually passed away, a zoologist would immediately request tissue samples, shell-growth ring analysis (scute-counting), and historical documentation to verify the age.

“If the age were somehow proven true, it would require a complete rewriting of modern reptile physiology, cellular biology, and ageing research textbooks.”

However, a traditionalist, Ifeyemi Oludare, went philosophical when he said the ancient royal tortoise had not merely died but “Has transitioned as a revered elder, royal witness and custodian of the kingdom’s history to join the ancestors.

“In Yoruba culture, drawing from famous historical reactions to palace figures like the legendary Alagba in Ogbomoso, a traditional custodian or elder would express the passing with specific reflections and eulogies.

“You are not just a creature; you are an elder (Alagba) who lived through centuries. You witnessed the reigns of many kings (Obas) and kept the silent secrets of the land”, he said.

He argued that a creature of such age does not simply pass away; it returns to the spirit realm, saying, “The shell carried the weight of our history; now your spirit is free.”

According to him, the animal is treated as a bridge between the ancient foundation of the kingdom and the modern era, saying, “The palace community and traditional chiefs should mourn the animal with the same solemnity reserved for high-ranking human elders.

“Traditional rulers often plan to preserve the remains so that the physical symbol of longevity remains part of the heritage for future generations”.
https://leadership.ng/420-year-age-claim-for-late-tortoise-draws-controversy/

Re: 420-Year-Old Tortoise 'Baba' Dies At Alaafin’s Palace In Oyo, Draws Controversy by ManirBK(op): 6:44am On Sep 21
420 years? 😂 Na wa o!

This tortoise don see pass plenty things for this life:



| - Slave trade
| - Colonial rule
| - Independence
| - Civil war
| - Military coups
| - Democracy

E don see four republics! E don see plenty presidents wey come and go. E don see naira dey fall from ₦1 to $1 to ₦1,600 to $1.

And now, after all that, we're arguing whether e truly live for 420 years. In a country where we don't even have accurate census figures, we want birth certificate from tortoise. 😂

But make we talk true – whether na 420 or 42, this tortoise live longer than most Nigerians' hope for this country.

Rest in peace, old tortoise. You do well. 🐢
Re: 420-Year-Old Tortoise 'Baba' Dies At Alaafin’s Palace In Oyo, Draws Controversy by Stephen0mozzy: 6:50am On Sep 21
Na tortoise age una write long epistle about so? Tortoise age controversy carry headline. But una President own, una close mouth 😏
Re: 420-Year-Old Tortoise 'Baba' Dies At Alaafin’s Palace In Oyo, Draws Controversy by datola: 6:22pm On Sep 21
Are we sure baba yanibo is dead. We need to be sure o as it might be pretending.
Re: 420-Year-Old Tortoise 'Baba' Dies At Alaafin’s Palace In Oyo, Draws Controversy by AdegbemiroX: 6:22pm On Sep 21
How many times the tortoise wan die sef?

Na 9 lives he get?
Re: 420-Year-Old Tortoise 'Baba' Dies At Alaafin’s Palace In Oyo, Draws Controversy by Apcshit: 6:23pm On Sep 21
Something wey dey suppose use do pepper soup
Re: 420-Year-Old Tortoise 'Baba' Dies At Alaafin’s Palace In Oyo, Draws Controversy by maasoap(m): 6:23pm On Sep 21
Simple carbon dating would have given approximate age. But our people would never submit to that scientific method
Re: 420-Year-Old Tortoise 'Baba' Dies At Alaafin’s Palace In Oyo, Draws Controversy by gracias124: 6:24pm On Sep 21
420 kpai you there liars
Re: 420-Year-Old Tortoise 'Baba' Dies At Alaafin’s Palace In Oyo, Draws Controversy by TimiofAbuja: 6:24pm On Sep 21
Buried? It will be good if preserved
Re: 420-Year-Old Tortoise 'Baba' Dies At Alaafin’s Palace In Oyo, Draws Controversy by ojkalito(m): 6:26pm On Sep 21
How was the age known? When some of our grandparents can’t even tell when they were born
Re: 420-Year-Old Tortoise 'Baba' Dies At Alaafin’s Palace In Oyo, Draws Controversy by FBIBOT(m): 6:26pm On Sep 21
Wish that tortoise can talk.... It has witnessed it all
Re: 420-Year-Old Tortoise 'Baba' Dies At Alaafin’s Palace In Oyo, Draws Controversy by Nword22: 6:26pm On Sep 21
I can't believe this tortoise is older than oduduwa Nation and republic joined. I also do not believe that it survived Dan fodio during the crucifixion of Yoruba Muslims.

Any way it's a good meat.
Re: 420-Year-Old Tortoise 'Baba' Dies At Alaafin’s Palace In Oyo, Draws Controversy by Gotocourt: 6:27pm On Sep 21
Wasted bush meat buried angry
Re: 420-Year-Old Tortoise 'Baba' Dies At Alaafin’s Palace In Oyo, Draws Controversy by Passionate888: 6:28pm On Sep 21
He must have witnessed different eras
Re: 420-Year-Old Tortoise 'Baba' Dies At Alaafin’s Palace In Oyo, Draws Controversy by allen113: 6:29pm On Sep 21
Who dey there when them born am?
Re: 420-Year-Old Tortoise 'Baba' Dies At Alaafin’s Palace In Oyo, Draws Controversy by Mak5: 6:30pm On Sep 21
Though many Nigerians don't take animal longevity seriously, did you know that if this were in the Western world, a tortoise this old would make international news?
Re: 420-Year-Old Tortoise 'Baba' Dies At Alaafin’s Palace In Oyo, Draws Controversy by MEGAWATCH: 6:32pm On Sep 21
420 what years?


Who was keeping the records?


This people can lie for fun o!


Nawao!



🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Re: 420-Year-Old Tortoise 'Baba' Dies At Alaafin’s Palace In Oyo, Draws Controversy by madridguy(m): 6:32pm On Sep 21
420-Year-Old Tortoise 'Baba' Dies At Alaafin’s Palace In Oyo, Draws Controversy
Re: 420-Year-Old Tortoise 'Baba' Dies At Alaafin’s Palace In Oyo, Draws Controversy by Ishilove: 6:32pm On Sep 21
Baba finally dies? I've been reading reports about this animal for as long as I can remember.

Sleep well, old man.
Re: 420-Year-Old Tortoise 'Baba' Dies At Alaafin’s Palace In Oyo, Draws Controversy by Threedoorsdown: 6:33pm On Sep 21
No be only 420 years . Lies upon lies for absolutely no reason.

A tortoise maxs at 200yrs. Make we even add 50yrs join....250yrs.....which one be 420 yrs

I did not bother reading the garbage story . The headline was enough
Re: 420-Year-Old Tortoise 'Baba' Dies At Alaafin’s Palace In Oyo, Draws Controversy by Flangelo12: 6:33pm On Sep 21
May his pomo rest in peace.
Re: 420-Year-Old Tortoise 'Baba' Dies At Alaafin’s Palace In Oyo, Draws Controversy by nonny1212: 6:33pm On Sep 21
Living Ancestor

RIP LEGEND
Re: 420-Year-Old Tortoise 'Baba' Dies At Alaafin’s Palace In Oyo, Draws Controversy by Threedoorsdown: 6:34pm On Sep 21
It wouldn't make international news because it is ridiculous and false. Those people don't waste time on garbage

Be like make person talk say e get one grandpa wey be 350yrs ... .would you bother with the story ?
Mak5:
Though many Nigerians don't take animal longevity seriously, did you know that if this were in the Western world, a tortoise this old would make international news?
Re: 420-Year-Old Tortoise 'Baba' Dies At Alaafin’s Palace In Oyo, Draws Controversy by Iran2025: 6:35pm On Sep 21
Na APC regime we dey so lies na normal thing
Re: 420-Year-Old Tortoise 'Baba' Dies At Alaafin’s Palace In Oyo, Draws Controversy by makavalley(m): 6:35pm On Sep 21
Because na black man talk say e live 420 years but if na Oyibo talk am now dem go what make everybody gree
Re: 420-Year-Old Tortoise 'Baba' Dies At Alaafin’s Palace In Oyo, Draws Controversy by chopnaira: 6:35pm On Sep 21
Haba. 420 years old as in how lol
Re: 420-Year-Old Tortoise 'Baba' Dies At Alaafin’s Palace In Oyo, Draws Controversy by makavalley(m):
Threedoorsdown:
No be only 420 years . Lies upon lies for absolutely no reason.

A tortoise maxs at 200yrs. Make we even add 50yrs join....250yrs.....which one be 420 yrs

I did not bother reading the garbage story . The headline was enough
I understand you sha but if na Oyibo talk am now dem go what make everybody gree
Re: 420-Year-Old Tortoise 'Baba' Dies At Alaafin’s Palace In Oyo, Draws Controversy by DEROX: 6:37pm On Sep 21
Erin wooooooooooooooo
Re: 420-Year-Old Tortoise 'Baba' Dies At Alaafin’s Palace In Oyo, Draws Controversy by Hemanwel(m): 6:37pm On Sep 21
How did they know it's 420 years old? Please, stop posting unsubstantiated posts to the front page
Re: 420-Year-Old Tortoise 'Baba' Dies At Alaafin’s Palace In Oyo, Draws Controversy by Ishilove: 6:37pm On Sep 21
Oral history is a source of history, so instead of rejecting the possibility that the animal may have lived that long, they should have tried to ascertain the age through scute counting or whatever and accounts from the custodians of the palace records when it was still alive.
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