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youngEmelex:
Your answer goes a long way. The number of people in the grave since the beginning of the world should be above 500 million. 50 million plus died in ww2 alone. I prefer to accept that all those bodies will add manure to the soil while the few saved ones will attain resurrection

According to the Bible where do creatures come from and to where do they return?
Ecclesiastes 3:20

MaxInDHouse:
According to the Bible where do creatures come from and to where do they return?
Ecclesiastes 3:20

That, clearly is the first death Revelations 20: 6 confirms which every reasonable person all over the world including Google confirms

Ai+
The "first death" in biblical terms typically refers to the natural, physical death of the human body that all people experience,

the Bible establishes physical death as the consequence of the Fall in Genesis 2:17 and Genesis 3:19 ("for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return" ).

You already know that it is Written all liars shall have their part in the fire

Dtruthspeaker:
You already know that it is Written all liars shall have their part in the fire

Please i don't want insults so if you can't discuss without insults stop mentioning me.

The first death refers to the one humans inherited but where the resurrection awaits us all second death simply total destruction.

So sin against holy spirit has no resurrection which means such ones goes straight to the second death. As for fire it's the symbolic term God used for complete destruction God will never burn anyone forever that's totally against His person.

It's either you live or die there is no third place. Genesis 2:17

MaxInDHouse:
Please i don't want insults so if you can't discuss without insults stop mentioning me.

The first death refers to the one humans inherited but where the resurrection awaits us all second death simply total destruction.

So sin against holy spirit has no resurrection which means such ones goes straight to the second death. As for fire it's the symbolic term God used for complete destruction God will never burn anyone forever that's totally against His person.

It's either you live or die there is no third place. Genesis 2:17

I did not insalt you, i only reminded you The Law.

And yes, second death is a total destruction. But what type of destruction or rather how is the destruction going to be? Revelation 20:10/20:15/21:8 Says, the destruction is by "casting into fire to be tore mented day and night".

Which means that they would be alive in the fire and through Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, we see God has already proven that He can keep people alive in fires!

Dtruthspeaker:
Revelation 20:10/20:15/21:8 "casting into fire to be tore mented day and night" they would be alive in the fire !

The highlighted is what the Bible is against, life is God's gift {Romans 6:23} so if anyone doesn't deserve to live such a person returns to oblivion! John 3:16
The Bible book of Revelation is written in SYMBOLIC TERMS that the reader needs to find the meaning of those symbols.
Fire represents complete destruction life is a gift only for the righteous {Psalms 37:29} but as for the wicked they will no longer exist! Psalms 9:17; 37:9-11

youngEmelex:
I am not writing to counter or prove anything about hellfire. I am simple asking an important question which I hope to get the answer someday.
The only criteria for going to heaven is Salvation. If one is not born again and does not receive the holy spirit, he has no recognition by God as far as the Christian doctrine is concerned.

So far, the population of the world is 8 billion. The world has existed for 20 centuries and may still exist for another 5000 years. If you multiple 8 billion people in each generation by 105, it's assumed that around 840 billion or more people will exist on this planet.

Out of this population, only about 0.5 percent or less will receive salvation. So let's assume that the people who received salvation from when the world started till it ended are 10 million people, are we trying to say that the remaining billions will burn in hell?

I learnt from some teachings that hell is too large and can contain almost any size but what I don't understand is how God will intend to move such number of creatures to burn in hell forever

Every man who enters hell does so because of the work of their hands. Hell happens as a punishment for the sins of the immediate past life. You see, after every life-death cycle comes judgment for the sins of that immediate past life, and one reincarnates either to pay for the sins or to enjoy for the good deeds

This is why it is very important for everyone not to incur karmic debts, because, everyone will pay. This is why it is important for all of us to be doing good deeds only because good deeds ensure that when we reincarnate we are not carrying burdens that can make the present incarnation hellish

So everyman reincarnates, and under the sun, right here on this earth is the place of judgment.

And everything you see around you is judgment whether it appears good or evil, people are receiving judgment continually.

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted is what the Bible is against, life is God's gift {Romans 6:23} so if anyone doesn't deserve to live such a person returns to oblivion! John 3:16
The Bible book of Revelation is written in SYMBOLIC TERMS that the reader needs to find the meaning of those symbols.
Fire represents complete destruction life is a gift only for the righteous {Psalms 37:29} but as for the wicked they will no longer exist! Psalms 9:17; 37:9-11

Now you have moved post to life is God's gift. Who said it is not. So, this is off point.

Secondly, you are not the one to decide how God is to treat the wicked. He has decided and Revelations shows that His decision is to cast them into fire to be tore mented day and night alive. So, this is your wish talking.

And of course, Christ Said, they shall not come out " till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing,", so it also means that running on your wish for oblivion, it still that the wicked will not go into oblivion until they have paid every farthing of torment they have given everyone to the last drop

Dtruthspeaker:
God is to treat the wicked.

Wicked don't deserve life so He said they will return to dust {Genesis 3:19} today righteous people dying are temporarily in their graves but God will bring them back to life {Job 14:13-15} as for the wicked they don't deserve life so they are best to be used as manure in the dust of the earth! Psalms 9:17

Revelation is from Jesus {Revelation 1:1} our teacher who always use parables! Matthew 13:13

That is why many parts of the book of Revelation is written in parables. Fire means complete destruction not life for wicked people.

Dtruthspeaker:
The wicked will not go into oblivion until they have paid every farthing of torment they have given everyone to the last drop

Death is the wages of sin says God's word but life is the gift! Revelation 6:23
If people are to pay for their sins how many years are they to spend in your so called Hellfire to pay for sins they committed in less than 70 years of their lives?🤔

MaxInDHouse:
Death is the wages of sin says God's word but life is the gift! Revelation 6:23
If people are to pay for their sins how many years are they to spend in your so called Hellfire to pay for sins they committed in less than 70 years of their lives?🤔

You are just moving post up and down repeating yourself.

The wicked give death. Sin causes deaths and gives death, so according to The Law, the givers of death MUST receive deaths they have given and pay them all to the last drop.

And God knows how many years in hellfire they need to satisfy all their payments, so, that is not a problem for God.

MaxInDHouse:
Wicked don't deserve life so He said they will return to dust {Genesis 3:19} today righteous people dying are temporarily in their graves but God will bring them back to life {Job 14:13-15} as for the wicked they don't deserve life so they are best to be used as manure in the dust of the earth! Psalms 9:17

Revelation is from Jesus {Revelation 1:1} our teacher who always use parables! Matthew 13:13

That is why many parts of the book of Revelation is written in parables. Fire means complete destruction not life for wicked people.

Again, you are just resounding your wishes, exactly how atheists wish that there is no God. For John, Daniel and Revelation clearly said that all temporarily dead shall be resurrected to be judged and be sent to the new earth for the righteous and hellfire for the wicked.

So, no need repeating yourself.

Dtruthspeaker:
And God knows how many years in hellfire they need to satisfy all their payments, so, that is not a problem for God.

Jesus said they will be tormented forever. Revelation 20:10

So do you now see that you don't understand what Jesus is saying in Revelation?

According to God's word the wages of sin is death but God's gift is life so if a person is given life but choose to be wicked it means such a person has lost that privilege of coming back to life again. Psalms 9:16

Only the righteous (people who lived as faithful servants of God) and the unrighteous (people who lived by their God's given conscience) will be brought back to life {Act 24:15} so that when Jesus reign for 1,000 years {Revelation 20:1-3} we may all attain perfection. It's afterwards that Satan will be released for the abyss to test our faith since we have become perfect under the reign of Christ {Revelation 20:8-9} then whoever follows Satan after becoming a perfect person will no longer die because of Adamic sin rather such ones will die based on what they choose to do after becoming perfect {Revelation 20:11-13} then God will end death and grave {Revelation 20:14} and whosoever is found wanting after perfection will be destroyed along with Satan just as Adam and Eve were destroyed! Revelation 20:15

Maximus692:
Jesus said they will be tormented forever. Revelation 20:10..

Since you just confessed that they would be tored up forever, then it is clear that you are wishing.

But anyway, to speak the Truth, that is the Judgement for and upon Satan and co, Only and it can be said that it MAY not apply to humans.

The Judgement for humans is Revelations 20:15 which also has the presumption that they too like satan would be tored up forever!

So, you see, what the Bible Said is very clear. Everyone is brought back and the righteous go to the new earth whilst the wicked go to lake of fire.

So, you are wasting your time wishing against what God has already Set and Prepared

Dtruthspeaker:
Since you just confessed that they would be tored up forever, then it is clear that you are wishing.

Who will be tormented forever?

Is it people created by God and given the opportunity to live?

Who begged God to create them so that they must live by His rules or roasted forever?

What Jesus meant is not people being roasted forever rather we will continue to think about them as we see what happens to them just as we remember Noah's contemporaries drowning and the people of Sodom and Gomorrah burning but roasting people in fire is against God's will! Jeremiah 7:31

MaxInDHouse:
Who will be tormented forever..

Revelation 20:10 already told you the answer and no need flying Off Point. it is very clear that you are trying to force your wish to become a real eyeity. If na so street beggers for dey live for Lekki phase 1.

Dtruthspeaker:
Revelation 20:10 already told you the answer and no need flying Off Point. it is very clear that you are trying to force your wish to become a real eyeity. If na so street beggers for dey live for Lekki phase 1.

Ọmọ talk about your own God i'm talking about mine who hates to see people suffer {Genesis 6:5-6; Habakkuk 1:13} in fact He can't bare the sight that is why He is no longer seeing most things instead He designed few angels to go about taking note of the evil people are doing to themselves {Ezekiel 10:12} and reporting back to Him. Genesis 18:20-21

So i'm talking about my own God please talk about yours who is capable of roasting people alive in the fire. Jeremiah 7:31

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ talk about your own God i'm talking about mine who hates to see people suffer {Genesis 6:5-6; Habakkuk 1:13} in fact He can't bare the sight that is why He is no longer seeing most things instead He designed few angels to go about taking note of the evil people are doing to themselves {Ezekiel 10:12} and reporting back to Him. Genesis 18:20-21

So i'm talking about my own God please talk about yours who is capable of roasting people alive in the fire. Jeremiah 7:31

It is said if old man no know how to behave, small pikin go insult am.

What you are doing is what is defined as delusion.

"A delusion is a fixed, unshakable belief that remains firmly held despite clear, contradictory evidence or logical proof to the contrary".

it is already established that you are trying to force your personal and private wish to become a real eyeity. If na so street beggers for dey live for Lekki phase 1.

So, since you are have been talking Off Point and trying to talk Off Point it means that you do not have anything reasonable and valid to say, so this is a good place for you to keep silent rather embarrass yourself because of you want to force your wish to become a reality.

As I said, If na so street beggers for dey live for Lekki phase 1. So, enjoy the rest of the day. Bye

Dtruthspeaker:
"A delusion is a fixed, unshakable belief that remains firmly held despite clear, contradictory evidence or logical proof to the contrary".

Who is the first sinner?

Adam!

Who knew God face to face yet rebelled against God?

Adam!

So where will Adam who brought all mankind into this situation be?

Heaven or your so called Hellfire?

That is what delusion is!🥱

MaxInDHouse:
Who is the first sinner?

Adam!

Who knew God face to face yet rebelled against God?

Adam!

So where will Adam who brought all mankind into this situation be?

Heaven or your so called Hellfire?

That is what delusion is!🥱

C'mon Max, this is not rational at all. See, all the Off Point you are raising.

Let's leave this matter. The bottomline is that your personal and private wishes are not real eyeity and they can never become one. If na so street beggers for dey live for Lekki phase 1. Bye

Dtruthspeaker:
Bye

I told you my own God differ from yours, bye!

MaxInDHouse:
I told you my own God differ from yours, bye!

It is not what you say but what you prove/what is proven. And it is proven that God of the Bible is, you and i and everybody's God whether you like Him or not! Ok bye

Dtruthspeaker:
It is not what you say but what you prove/what is proven. And it is proven that God of the Bible is, you and i and everybody's God whether you like Him or not! Ok bye

Why not ask Him when he called Himself the God of Abraham and the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob?
Ọmọ it's not about creation but those doing His will!🥱

GaelllicII:
Because Justice is determined by who is offended.

An offense against your friend will earn you less punishment than an offense against your dad.

Likewise an offense against your dad will earn you less punishment than one against that president of your country.

An offense against God? Who is infinite in all perfections?

This can only result in infinite punishment.

Obey the commandments of God and escape the fires of Hell.

https://vaticancatholic.com/

The same reason why only 8 people were saved in the whole world in Noah's days.

Kobojunkie:
There were over 600 commandments given, and your Catholic organization definitely violates the most of them starting with the first. Same of course applies to the entire religion of Christianity. 🫤

What do you mean by 'given'? Given by whom?

Name specifically 'who', please.

Dtruthspeaker:
"Thou shalt not worship nor bow to images of any person,thing, animal etc

Here are you disobeying
https://www.nairaland.com/1068273/proof-catholics-worship-mary/1#12487258

https://www.nairaland.com/7093943/worshipping-imageswhat-does-bible-say#112230169

First, you need to understand that Catholic teaching is contained in official
and definitive documents.

The behavior of random individuals who choose to falsely associate themselves with Catholicism simply won't cut it.

In fact, it's actually dishonest to firmly attribute (as you've done here) such to the Catholic Church.

This is an example of what I mean about i.e 'official, definitive, etc.'

That's an official, authoritative document from the Catholic Church.

"It is good and beneficial to humbly invoke them (the saints) and to have recourse to their prayers and helpful assistance to obtain blessings from God through His Son our Lord Jesus Christ who alone is our redeemer and saviour (qui solus noster Redemptor et salvator est)..."

Council of Trent, Sess. 25, On Invocation, Veneration and Relics of Saints


Have you anything of this nature to support your falsehood? No, you don't.

With everything that is happening on earth isn't it clear God just want to be entertained?
He has no time to burn anybody

Dtruthspeaker:
You have been saying this rubbish for a long time and have diminished into irrelevancy.

Thank God you admit that those gods are local. And thus, no Nigerian fears Buddha or Krishna's hell as they are fake.

But the whole world fears God, The One and Only, Who chose Isreal as His base!

Big fat lie. Just because you have been lied to since birth doesn't mean that lie is the truth.
God has no particular base
God belongs to no specific group of people.
Wake up

RealityKings1:
Big fat lie. Just because you have been lied to since birth doesn't mean that lie is the truth.
God has no particular base
God belongs to no specific group of people.
Wake up

Screaming your delu won't change the fact that God chose Isreal as His Base and Headquarters as the coming to pass of the prophecies on Isreal has proven. So, keep sleep walking

GaelllicII:
First, you need to understand that Catholic teaching is contained in official
and definitive documents.

The behavior of random individuals who choose to falsely associate themselves with Catholicism simply won't cut it.

In fact, it's actually dishonest to firmly attribute (as you've done here) such to the Catholic Church.

GaelllicII:
...Have you anything of this nature to support your falsehood? No, you don't.

Took you over long to respond to. You thought i would play the usual Mary weak point card and now and now that you have seen what I pointed out you are now even resorted to denying those people forgetting that we see every Catholic church all over the world up to your Rome is filled with with your people praying to images, bowing to them, lying down to them, crying to them.

You are the one being dishonest even to point of denying the entirety of the Catholic church. Haba

Dtruthspeaker:
Screaming your delu won't change the fact that God chose Isreal as His Base and Headquarters as the coming to pass of the prophecies on Isreal has proven. So, keep sleep walking

This is more Protestant fantasy.

Judaism, with its sacrifices, ceremonies and rites is, in the eyes of God, dead and buried.

It has been replaced by the Church of Jesus Christ.

Many biblical passages attest to this, which should be well known by any so-called 'bible believer'.

Dtruthspeaker:
Screaming your delu won't change the fact that God chose Isreal as His Base and Headquarters as the coming to pass of the prophecies on Isreal has proven. So, keep sleep walking

This is more Protestant fantasy.

Judaism with its sacrifices, ceremonies, and rites is, in the eyes of God, dead and buried.

It has been replaced by the Church of Jesus Christ.

There are several biblical passages that attest to this which any so-called 'bible believer' ought to be familiar with.