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There is a standard way the biblical story of the conquest is told.

God calls Abraham, makes a covenant, and promises his descendants a specific territory. Generations later, Abraham’s descendants are enslaved in Egypt. Moses leads them out, they wander the wilderness, and under Joshua, they march on Canaan to claim their inheritance.

To the Israelites, this is the fulfillment of a divine promise. But that narrative relies on looking at the story from only one side.

What did these events look like to the people already living in the land?

This analysis treats the biblical account strictly as a narrative text to examine its internal logic. The question is not whether these events occurred historically, but rather: If we accept the biblical narrative on its own terms, what do these actions look like from the perspective of the original inhabitants?

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1. Canaan Was Already Fully Inhabited

The land was not an empty wilderness waiting to be defined. The biblical text itself acknowledges that it was already Canaan long before any Israelite arrived:


* Genesis 12:5 confirms Abraham entered the "land of Canaan."
* Genesis 13:7 notes that the Canaanites and Perizzites were already living there.
* Genesis 23:2 places Abraham in Canaan at the time of Sarah’s death.

The narrative explicitly names the established nations occupying the territory: the Canaanites, Hittites, Hivites, Perizzites, Jebusites, Amorites, and Girgashites.

There is an absolute moral difference between two distinct claims:

* "God gave our ancestors an empty piece of land."
* "God promised our ancestors a land already owned and occupied by other nations, whom we must violently dispossess."

The biblical text describes the second scenario.

2. Abraham Owned Only a Single Burial Plot

When Abraham needed a place to bury Sarah in Genesis 23, he did not assert a divine right to the land or demand that the inhabitants move. He approached Ephron the Hittite and legally purchased the field and cave at Machpelah.

Genesis 23:16–18 details the transaction: Abraham weighed out silver, and the field, cave, trees, and boundaries were legally transferred to him.

Abraham bought a private plot for a grave. He did not buy Canaan. He did not purchase the cities of the Hivites, Jebusites, or Amorites. Therefore, when later generations returned claiming total ownership over the entire territory, they were not exercising a legal property deed, they were launching an invasion.

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3. A Unilateral Promise Creates No Obligation for the Victims

The covenant detailed in Genesis 12:7, 15:18, and 17:8 was made strictly between Yahweh and Abraham’s lineage.

The Hittites, Hivites, Perizzites, and Jebusites were completely absent from this agreement. They were never party to the covenant, nor were they asked to consent to it.

Consider a simple modern parallel: If a stranger tells his children, "That family's house will belong to you one day," the children may genuinely believe their father. But the family currently living in the house has zero obligation to hand over their keys. They would naturally ask:

* Who made this promise?
* Why should a private arrangement made by strangers obligate us to give up our home?

This is the exact logical dynamic facing the inhabitants of Canaan.

4. The World Did Not Pause During the Egyptian Enslavement

When Jacob and his seventy descendants migrated to Egypt (Genesis 46, Exodus 1), Canaan did not freeze in time.

For centuries, while the Israelites grew into a massive population and were eventually enslaved in Egypt, the peoples of Canaan continued their lives. Generation after generation of Canaanites, Hivites, and Jebusites were born, built cities, farmed the land, raised families, buried their ancestors, and developed their own cultures.

They were not "occupying" someone else's space; they were living in their own homeland. They were not waiting for Abraham's descendants to return and evict them.

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5. The Epistemological Problem of "Our God Said"

When the Israelites finally approached Canaan, an immediate barrier existed: language, culture, and divine revelation.

Imagine being an inhabitant of Jericho or a Hivite village. You did not stand before the burning bush. You did not witness the plagues of Egypt. You did not hear Yahweh speak at Mount Sinai. You have your own language, heritage, and understanding of the divine.
Suddenly, an armed population arrives at your border and declares: "Our God gave us this land."

From an objective standpoint, the word "Our" is the fundamental problem.

* It is their God, not yours.
* It is their claim of a revelation, which you never heard.

If an armed stranger stands on your property and claims a deity told him to take your home, you have no reason to accept his claim. A private religious claim made by an outsider carrying a weapon is not recognizable as a divine mandate, it is a military threat.

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6. The Reality of Modern Terminology: Invasion and Terrorism

If we strip away religious bias and analyze the actions described in the text through a modern analytical lens, the terminology is straightforward.

In Joshua 6:21, the text describes the fall of Jericho:
"They devoted the city to destruction, both men and women, young and old, oxen, sheep, and donkeys, with the edge of the sword."

In the modern world, when an armed group enters a populated region, cites a religious mandate, slaughters non-combatants, destroys homes, and displaces an entire population to settle its own people, we do not call it a "divine inheritance."
We call it warfare, ethnic cleansing, and terrorism.
When violence is intentionally inflicted on civilian populations; men, women, and the elderly; to intimidate, conquer, and destroy a society, it meets the literal definition of terrorism. Using a religious justification does not change the nature of the act; it simply classifies it as religiously motivated terrorism.

7. The Defense of the Homeland

The narrative often frames Canaanite resistance as wicked opposition to God's will. But from the perspective of a Jebusite or a Hivite, resisting the Israelite army was not an act of evil; it was self-defense.

If an invading force arrives to take your city and kill your family, defending your home is a universal human response. The Canaanites had every moral and natural right to defend their property and lives against incoming military force.

Even the exceptions in the text prove this dynamic:

Rahab (Joshua 2): Acted out of sheer terror after hearing reports of Israel's military destruction of other groups.

The Gibeonites (Joshua 9): Knowing they faced total annihilation, they used deception to secure a peace treaty to avoid being slaughtered.

The Gibeonites acted precisely as any targeted population does when facing an existential military threat: they adapted, negotiated, and survived by whatever means necessary.

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8. The Psychological Trap of Narrative Bias

When modern readers read these texts, a cognitive shift often occurs. Readers naturally align themselves with the narrator, treating the Israelites as "us" and the original inhabitants as "them":

* Israelite violence is framed as "God's righteous judgment."

* Canaanite defense is framed as "rebellion against God."

* Israelite conquest is framed as "claiming an inheritance."

* Canaanite self-preservation is framed as "evil opposition."

Yet, if those same readers had been born into a Hivite, Hittite, or Jebusite family in that era, the framework would reverse entirely. The Israelites would not look like holy liberators or rightful heirs. They would look like an invading army using divine mandate to justify terror, displacement, and total destruction.

Israeli is not the same as Israelite
Jewish is not then same as Jew


Ezekiel 7:23-25
King James Version
24 Wherefore I will bring the worst of the heathen, and they shall possess their houses: I will also make the pomp of the strong to cease; and their holy places shall be defiled.

Israeli and Jewish are doing regular gay parade in Jerusalem

Roycemadeit:
2. Abraham Owned Only a Single Burial Plot


3. A Unilateral Promise Creates No Obligation for the Victims

The covenant detailed in Genesis 12:7, 15:18, and 17:8 was made strictly between Yahweh and Abraham’s lineage.

The Hittites, Hivites, Perizzites, and Jebusites were completely absent from this agreement. They were never party to the covenant, nor were they asked to consent to it.

You obviously did not consider that God is The Owner of this Hotel/Hostel or Tenement called world and therefore He is The Land Lord.

And since the Hittites, Hivites, etc did not purchase the land from Him, then therefore, they do not have any contract with God neither can they stop Him from selling, transferring or dashing the land to anybody He pleases as they are just squatters and illegal occupants as your kings would say

So, thus, God's act of gifting and transferring the land to Isreal is lawful as it is within His Rights

Law maximum
"qui iure suo utitur neminem laedit- He does no wrong he who exercises his rights".

Case dismissed for lack of merit!

Roycemadeit:
What did these events look like to the people already living in the land?

You should look at the story from all sides!

Before then people throughout the world has been worshiping demons (fallen angels) and that means Paradise which God has promised from the beginning will never be achieved.

So to begin with the true God is to be known as the Creator that is His intention not just about the land of Canaan.

People in different places have been fighting and invading one another over lands and natural resources so it's not new to anyone living back then and going by what was obtainable then whoever has the strongest army owns wherever he or she chooses.

So when God allowed Israelites to be enslaved in Egypt the then world power His intention is to use Egypt as a scapegoat and warning for all other nations throughout the inhabited earth.

When He finally rescued His own worshipers from Egypt without a military force any right thinking person back then supposed to surrender just as the custom is back then which is survival of the fittest. That is what Rahab of Jericho and the Gibeonites did.

Note that the Gibeonites later became Israelites living with God's people and worshiping the same God and of course they were spared while others who refused to live by the same standard all of them knew back then were punished.

Lesson learned!

Before you know any God whatever standard you agree to live with is not a sin from God's standpoint but you will become a criminal when you now choose to go against the same standard that you've been using for ages!

So for the inhabitants of Canaan to resist the Israelites when they all believe the strongest nation should take the best place makes them deserving of death!🥱

The Fallacy of Inherited Authority: Why Universal Religious Claims Cannot Grant Moral Exemption

A fundamental assumption underpins the argument that the Israelites were simply taking what was rightfully theirs: It assumes that the God of Israel is universally recognized, self-evidently sovereign, and morally unquestionable to all humanity.

That certainty exists because you are reasoning from inside a inherited religious system. It is a religious conclusion, not a neutral starting point.


1. The Historical Transmission of Religious Inheritance


Yahweh is repeatedly presented within the Hebrew Scriptures specifically as the God of Israel. Christianity later emerged from this tradition, adopted Greek and Roman institutional frameworks, aligned with imperial power, and spread globally through colonial expansion, mission education, and state enforcement.

When someone born today in Nigeria, thousands of miles and thousands of years removed from ancient Canaan, declares:

"Yahweh is the Creator of everyone, owns the earth, and can give land to whomever He pleases,"

the question of epistemological authority must be asked: How did you arrive at that conclusion?

Did this deity personally introduce himself to you? Did he speak to your ancestors in Yoruba or Igbo? Did he appear in West Africa to declare, "I am Yahweh, the God of Israel, and I am also your God"?

No. You received this claim through human intermediaries: translators, missionaries, colonial structures, churches, schools, and parents.

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To understand the arbitrary nature of this confidence, imagine history had unfolded differently:

If an empire centering on a deity named Olúwa had dominated world history, millions today would be declaring:
"How can you question Olúwa? Olúwa created the earth and gave it to His chosen people!"

The confidence with which religious claims are defended is not evidence of objective truth; it is evidence of effective cultural transmission.

* You inherited Christianity.

* Another inherited Islam.

* Another inherited Hinduism or traditional African religions.

Calling the ancient inhabitants "squatters" relies entirely on assuming your inherited deity was their legitimate owner before ever establishing why they should have recognized his authority.

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2. The Invasions of Today vs. The Invasions of Yesterday

The God owns the land argument breaks down when applied consistently to modern events.

If an armed religious organization enters a community today and announces:

"Our God has given us this territory,"

and subsequently slaughters civilians, displaces families, and destroys homes, how do we classify them? We do not debate their theology; we classify them as terrorists, extremists, invaders, and war criminals.

If they respond: "Our God is the true God, He owns the earth, and He commanded this," what is the counterargument from within a strictly religious framework?

If your response is merely, "Your God is false, but my God is real," you have not engaged in moral reasoning. You have simply declared that violence is legitimate when your group commits it, and illegitimate when another group commits it.


If "God commanded it" is sufficient to make mass slaughter morally good, then every religious extremist throughout human history possesses the exact same moral defense: "I was obeying my divine authority."

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3. The Collapse of Independent Moral Standards

Relying on divine command to justify the displacement of human populations destroys independent morality. It replaces moral evaluation with absolute obedience to authority:

*If God commands it: The act is automatically good, regardless of the human suffering caused.

*If God gives the land:** The long-standing inhabitants have no rights, regardless of how many generations they have lived there.

*If God orders total annihilation:** Destruction becomes an act of piety.

This is not moral reasoning; it is dogmatic submission. It strips away empathy for the victim and replaces it with narrative bias.

4. The Moral Test of the Hivite

To test whether this framework holds any universal moral validity, strip away your inherited identity and view the conquest through the eyes of the person on the receiving end.

Imagine you were born into a Hivite family:

* You never read the Hebrew Scriptures.

* You never heard of Moses, Abraham, or Yahweh.

* You grew up speaking your native language, working your ancestral land, and building a life within your community.

Suddenly, an armed population arrives, asserting that their deity, whom you have never heard of; gave them your home, and that you must either submit, flee, or be killed.


Would you betray your family and hand over your home because the invaders made a religious claim? Or would you defend your home and community?

If you would defend your home, you demonstrate the core flaw in the Israelite narrative: Defending one's home against an invading force is a universal human right.

Roycemadeit:
The Fallacy of Inherited Authority: Why Universal Religious Claims Cannot Grant Moral Exemptio

A fundamental assumption underpins the argument that the Israelites were simply taking what was rightfully theirs: It assumes that the God of Israel is universally recognized, self-evidently sovereign, and morally unquestionable to all humanity...

[b]You are the one who in your attempt to rebut my argument has committed the red herring fallacy of now claiming that the God of Israel is universally recognised.... when no such statement or argument was ever made..

And your presentation is itself based on the assumption that the God of Israel, is The Authority of Isreal, so you can't claim that assumption for yourself then turn around and deny that assumption to your opponent just because you find that you cannot validly counter, your opponent's argument.

So everything you are saying based on that premise is a nullity.

AI Overview
A red herring fallacy is a logical error where someone introduces an unrelated topic to distract from the original argument.

This guy just love deceiving himself!🥱

According to the standard humans in ancient times set for themselves the strongest army owns everything but when God now come with His worshipers this people decided to trash the standard they've been living with for ages.

Ọmọ if i am at the receiving end i will use my brain o, when i know that we have the strongest army and that is what makes us rulers over other people then an army stronger than ours emerges the best thing to do is SURRENDER!🙂

Roycemadeit:
Imagine you were born into a Hivite family:
* You never read the Hebrew Scriptures.

* You never heard of Moses, Abraham, or Yahweh.

* You grew up speaking your native language, working your ancestral land, and building a life within your community.[/color]

Suddenly, an armed population arrives, asserting that their deity, whom you have never heard of; gave them your home, and that you must either submit, flee, or be killed.

Your self deceit is great!

Rahab of Jericho said to Israelite spies:

We heard how Jehovah dried up the waters of the Red Sea before you when you left Egypt and what you did to the two kings of the Amʹor·ites, Siʹhon and Og, whom you devoted to destruction on the other side of the Jordan. When we heard about it, we lost heart, and no one has any courage because of you, for Jehovah your God is God in the heavens above and on the earth beneath. Joshua 2:10-11

Gibeonites said:

“We have come from a distant land. Now make a covenant with us.” Joshua 9:6

So if anyone said the inhabitants of Canaan haven't heard about Jehovah the one and only true God it's a lie!🙂

Roycemadeit:

1. The Historical Transmission of Religious Inheritance


Yahweh is repeatedly presented within the Hebrew Scriptures specifically as the God of Israel. Christianity later emerged from this tradition, adopted Greek and Roman institutional frameworks, aligned with imperial power, and spread globally through colonial expansion, mission education, and state enforcement.

When someone born today in Nigeria, thousands of miles and thousands of years removed from ancient Canaan, declares:

"Yahweh is the Creator of everyone, owns the earth, and can give land to whomever He pleases,"...

RED HERRING FALLACY
OFF POINT

AI Overview

A red herring fallacy is a logical error where someone introduces an unrelated topic to distract from the original argument.

STOP MAKING FALSE AND INVALID ARGUMENTS

Roycemadeit:

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2. The Invasions of Today vs. The Invasions of Yesterday

The God owns the land argument breaks down when applied consistently to modern events...
3. The Collapse of Independent Moral Standards[/color][/b]

Relying on divine command to justify the displacement of human populations destroys independent morality. It replaces moral evaluation with absolute obedience to authority:

RED HERRING FALLACY
OFF POINT

AI Overview

A red herring fallacy is a logical error where someone introduces an unrelated topic to distract from the original argument.

STOP MAKING FALSE AND INVALID ARGUMENTS

Roycemadeit:
4. The Moral Test of the Hivite

To test whether this framework holds any universal moral validity, strip away your inherited identity and view the conquest through the eyes of the person on the receiving end.

Imagine you were born into a Hivite family:

RED HERRING FALLACY
OFF POINT

AI Overview

A red herring fallacy is a logical error where someone introduces an unrelated topic to distract from the original argument.

STOP MAKING FALSE AND INVALID ARGUMENTS

WHEN SOMEONE SAYS, “GOD TOLD ME”: MUST YOU BELIEVE THEM?

Religious claims rarely arrive as direct, personal epiphanies from the divine. Almost always, they arrive via an intermediary; a prophet, a leader, a written text, or a modern religious authority who insists: “God said.”

This dynamic creates a immediate epistemological problem:
To accept the message, you must trust the messenger.
The messenger's own claim of authority cannot serve as the evidence for that authority.

When accepting a message requires surrendering your property, your freedom, or your life, blind trust is not merely irresponsible; it can be fatal. The biblical narrative itself documents the severe dangers of failing to test human claims made in God's name.

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1. King Ahaz: Prophetic Warning vs. Political Reality
Reference: Isaiah 7:1–17

Faced with an impending invasion by the allied forces of Aram and Israel, King Ahaz of Judah was approached by the prophet Isaiah. Isaiah offered reassurance, warned that unbelief would lead to destruction (v. 9), and invited Ahaz to ask for a confirming sign from God. Ahaz declined to ask for a sign, after which Isaiah declared the prophecy of Immanuel.

Ahaz did not observe the divine decree himself; he only observed a prophet claiming to deliver it. Ahaz’s refusal to request a sign illustrates a key structural issue: A messenger’s assertion that "God spoke" leaves the recipient entirely responsible for evaluating whether the speaker actually represents God.

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2. The Young Prophet: Fatal Deception by a Peer
Reference: 1 Kings 13:1–32

A young man of God from Judah received a direct command from God: perform his mission in Bethel, eat no bread, drink no water, and return by a different route. The young prophet obeyed; until an older, respected prophet intercepted him.
The older prophet claimed:

“I am a prophet also as thou art; and an angel spake unto me by the word of the LORD, saying, Bring him back with thee...” (1 Kings 13:18)

The text explicitly notes: “But he lied unto him.”
The young prophet believed the claim, altered his course, ate at the older prophet's home, and was subsequently killed by a lion on his journey back.

The older man was a recognized prophet, yet he lied.
Supernatural claims prove nothing: Claiming an "angel spoke" did not make the instruction divine.
The victim pays the price: The young prophet suffered the fatal consequences of acting on a false, unverified claim made in God's name.

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3. Moses and Pharaoh: Claims Over Unbelieving Recipients
Reference: Exodus 5:1–2; 7–12

Moses and Aaron approached Pharaoh with a demand:
“Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Let my people go...” (Exodus 5:1)
Pharaoh’s response was entirely logical within his context:
“Who is the LORD, that I should obey his voice to let Israel go? I know not the LORD, neither will I let Israel go.” (Exodus 5:2)

From Pharaoh’s perspective, two leaders of an enslaved population entered his court demanding major economic and political concessions based on a deity he did not worship or recognize.

An unverified claim of divine instruction carries zero weight with a recipient who does not share the messenger's theological framework. Authority cannot be established merely by declaring it exists; it requires external, mutually recognized validation.

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4. Jeremiah and Hananiah: Contradictory Claims of Equal Authority
Reference: Jeremiah 27–28

During the Babylonian threat, two recognized prophets delivered completely opposite instructions to the people of Judah:

Jeremiah: God commands you to submit to Nebuchadnezzar; resist and you will die.
Hananiah: God has broken the yoke of Babylon; the exiles and temple vessels will return within two years.
Both men claimed to speak for Yahweh. Both used the authority of the prophetic office. Yet their messages were mutually exclusive.

When two messengers deliver opposing instructions in God’s name, the audience faces an impossible dilemma if they rely solely on the speakers' titles. Two contradictory statements cannot both be divine truth. The presence of false claims made with absolute religious confidence means that "God told me" is functionally meaningless without verifiable proof.

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5. Rahab and the Spies: External Reports vs. Direct Revelation
Reference: Joshua 2:8–14

When the Israelite spies met Rahab in Jericho, she acknowledged:
“For we have heard how the LORD dried up the water of the Red sea for you... the LORD your God, he is God in heaven above, and in earth beneath.” (Joshua 2:10–11)
Rahab's statement confirms that news of Israel's military and supernatural history had spread over decades across the region.

Hearing news about an invading force’s deity is fundamentally different from personally receiving a divine revelation. Rahab acted on third-party reports and geopolitical survival instincts. Her account does not prove that every inhabitant of Canaan received a clear, personal revelation from Yahweh instructing them to surrender their homes.

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6. The Fundamental Logical Problem

Consider how this claim operates in everyday life:

Person A: “God told me that you must hand over your property to me.”

Person B: “Did God tell me?”

Person A: “No. God told me to tell you.”

Person B: “Then why am I obligated to obey a command given only to you?”

This exposes the fundamental problem with appeals to private revelation. If a deity expects someone to make a decision, why should another person’s unverified claim about that deity automatically become binding on them? The more serious the demand, the stronger the justification required. No one should be expected to surrender their home, family, freedom, or life merely because another person claims to have received a message from God.

The Bible itself illustrates the danger. In 1 Kings 13:1–24, a man of God receives a direct instruction not to eat or drink in Bethel. An older prophet later claims that an angel has given him a different instruction. The man of God believes him, disobeys the original command, and dies. The narrator explicitly says the older prophet lied (1 Kings 13:18). The story raises an uncomfortable question: if even a prophet can falsely claim divine authority, what reliable method does an ordinary person have for distinguishing revelation from deception?

The problem becomes even more serious when divine claims justify violence or dispossession. In the biblical conquest narratives, the Israelites claim that Yahweh has given them the land of Canaan, already inhabited by other peoples. But from the perspective of those inhabitants, the promise was made to someone else, by a deity whose authority they were not necessarily obliged to accept. A promise made between a deity and one group does not, by itself, establish a moral obligation on another group to surrender its ancestral land.

The same principle applies today. If someone from another religion claims that God has commanded them to take your property, would you consider that claim sufficient? If not, what makes a similar claim acceptable when it appears in your own sacred text? The fact that a command is attributed to God does not independently establish that God issued it, that the messenger understood it correctly, or that the command is morally justified.

There is also an irony in how modern believers invoke ancient scripture as proof of present-day divine communication. The biblical texts emerged within particular historical and cultural settings, passed through processes of transmission, translation, interpretation, and canon formation. Yet some preachers extract isolated passages from those texts and present their own interpretations as the immediate voice of God. The interpretation is human, the selection is human, and the claim that it carries divine authority is also made by a human being. Calling it revelation does not remove the need to examine it.

Ultimately, “God told me” is a claim, not proof of the claim. Faith may explain why a person believes a message, but it does not establish why someone else must obey it. Where independent verification is unavailable, moral judgment becomes more important, not less. A demand that requires another person to surrender their rights cannot acquire moral legitimacy simply because someone invokes an invisible authority.

Surrendering your moral judgment, property, or life to another person’s unverified claim is not automatically an act of faith. It may be an act of misplaced trust. Until a messenger provides adequate grounds for believing the claim, the recipient has every right to question it, reject it, and refuse to surrender their conscience to someone else’s alleged revelation.

What is the essence of all these story?
To prove there is no God or that we need to know how we can identify true servants of God?

Well that's what i've been trying to tell you all these while because running to the conclusion that there is no God is the WORSTEST thing ever.
If you want to know how you can identify true servants of God that is better than concluding there is no God.

Meanwhile you are now doing well by going back to your Bible instead of concluding the book makes no practical sense!🥱

Roycemadeit:
WHEN SOMEONE SAYS, “GOD TOLD ME”: MUST YOU BELIEVE THEM?
Religious claims rarely arrive as direct, personal epiphanies from the divine. Almost always, they arrive via an intermediary; a prophet, a leader, a written text, or a modern religious authority who insists: “God said.”
This dynamic creates a immediate epistemological problem:
To accept the message, you must trust the messenger.
The messenger's own claim of authority cannot serve as the evidence for that authority.
When accepting a message requires surrendering your property, your freedom, or your life, blind trust is not merely irresponsible; it can be fatal. The biblical narrative itself documents the severe dangers of failing to test human claims made in God's name.

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1. King Ahaz: Prophetic Warning vs. Political Reality
Reference: Isaiah 7:1–17
Faced with an impending invasion by the allied forces of Aram and Israel, King Ahaz of Judah was approached by the prophet Isaiah. Isaiah offered reassurance, warned that unbelief would lead to destruction (v. 9), and invited Ahaz to ask for a confirming sign from God. Ahaz declined to ask for a sign, after which Isaiah declared the prophecy of Immanuel.
Ahaz did not observe the divine decree himself; he only observed a prophet claiming to deliver it. Ahaz’s refusal to request a sign illustrates a key structural issue: A messenger’s assertion that "God spoke" leaves the recipient entirely responsible for evaluating whether the speaker actually represents God.

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2. The Young Prophet: Fatal Deception by a Peer
Reference: 1 Kings 13:1–32
A young man of God from Judah received a direct command from God: perform his mission in Bethel, eat no bread, drink no water, and return by a different route. The young prophet obeyed; until an older, respected prophet intercepted him.
The older prophet claimed:
“I am a prophet also as thou art; and an angel spake unto me by the word of the LORD, saying, Bring him back with thee...” (1 Kings 13:18)
The text explicitly notes: “But he lied unto him.”
The young prophet believed the claim, altered his course, ate at the older prophet's home, and was subsequently killed by a lion on his journey back.
The older man was a recognized prophet, yet he lied.
Supernatural claims prove nothing: Claiming an "angel spoke" did not make the instruction divine.
The victim pays the price: The young prophet suffered the fatal consequences of acting on a false, unverified claim made in God's name.

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Clearly God don frustrate dis one finish so tay e dey rant to himself🤣🤣🤣🤣

1. The Question We Rarely Ask

Christians are generally taught to understand the God of the Bible as the universal Creator, the God of Abraham, the God of Israel, and the God of every human being who has ever lived. This understanding is so familiar that many believers rarely stop to examine how the biblical narrative itself develops this relationship.

But let us approach the subject differently.

For the sake of this write-up, let us accept the biblical narrative on its own terms. Let us follow the story as it is presented, without beginning with the assumption that every theological claim made by later Christianity must have been understood in precisely the same way by every biblical writer.

We encounter a deity who calls a man named Abram, establishes a covenant with him, promises his descendants a land, delivers them from Egypt, gives them laws, and identifies them as his chosen people.

That raises an important question: At what point did the God who called Abraham become the God whom every human being is expected to recognize, worship, and obey?

This is not merely a question about religion spreading from one country to another. It is a question about identity, revelation, and authority. Who first encountered this deity? To whom did he reveal himself? Who was expected to recognize him? And how did people who never experienced those original encounters come to regard his claims as binding on them?
To explore these questions, we must begin where the biblical story begins its account of Abraham.

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2. Abraham Did Not Begin in a Religious Vacuum

Abraham did not emerge from nowhere. He had a family, an ancestry, a home, and a cultural background.

Genesis 11:27–31 places Abram within the family of Terah and identifies Ur of the Chaldeans as the place from which Terah's household set out. Genesis does not present Abram as a man who had already abandoned every other religious tradition after conducting a comparative study of the world's religions.

In fact, Joshua 24:2 offers a particularly revealing detail. Joshua tells the Israelites that their ancestors, including Terah, Abraham's father, lived beyond the Euphrates and worshipped other gods.

The biblical text therefore acknowledges that Abraham's family belonged to a religious environment in which other gods were worshipped before the story of Yahweh's covenant with Abraham became central to Israel's identity.

Notice the significance of this detail. Abraham's story begins within a world that the Bible itself portrays as religiously diverse. His family had an existing religious background. The narrative does not describe him as having independently examined all available deities and concluded that Yahweh was the only true God nor does it tell that some missionaries came telling him of Yahweh.

Instead, Genesis 12:1 presents the decisive event:

Yahweh, himself, tells Abram to leave his country, his kindred, and his father's house and go to a land that he will show him.

The direction of the encounter matters. In the biblical narrative, Abraham does not first travel through the ancient world preaching Yahweh to people who have never heard of him. Yahweh calls Abraham.

This is the beginning of a relationship initiated by the deity himself, according to the story.

The distinction is important because it gives us two different situations that should not automatically be treated as equivalent.

In the first situation, a deity appears to a person, addresses that person, and establishes a relationship through a direct encounter, as the Bible says happened with Abraham.

In the second situation, someone hears about that deity from another human being, accepts a religious text as authoritative, and comes to believe that the deity is also their God.

The Bible presents Abraham's experience as the first situation, however we must also realise that the person telling these stories was Moses, The character who wrote of his burial and death even after he has died .

For a Christian who learns about Yahweh through parents, a preacher, a church, or the Bible, the immediate experience is ordinarily the second.

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3. The God Who Called Abraham Made a Promise to Abraham

What follows the call is equally important.

In Genesis 12:1–3, Yahweh promises to make Abram into a great nation, bless him, make his name great, and bless the families of the earth through him. In Genesis 12:7, Yahweh promises the land to Abram's descendants.

The relationship develops through a series of specific promises. Genesis 15 presents a covenant, while Genesis 17 describes a covenant between Yahweh and Abraham's descendants, including the promise that Yahweh will be their God and that they will possess the land of Canaan.

This is not an abstract introduction to a deity who begins by addressing every nation equally. It is a story about a particular deity entering into a particular relationship with a particular man and his descendants.

The promise is transmitted through Abraham's family. Isaac inherits the covenantal line, followed by Jacob, whose descendants become the Israelites.

Exodus 3:6 continues this pattern when Yahweh identifies himself to Moses as the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Exodus 6:7 presents the relationship in explicitly national terms: Yahweh will take the Israelites as his people, and he will be their God.

The narrative builds an identity around this relationship.

Israel belongs to Yahweh, and Yahweh is identified as the God of Israel.

This raises a question that should not be dismissed simply because modern Christianity has an answer to it: What establishes that a covenant made with Abraham and his descendants automatically creates a religious obligation for every other people on earth?

The biblical narrative can later make broader claims about Yahweh's authority. But the existence of a covenant with one group does not, by itself, demonstrate that every other group has independently received or accepted that covenant.

A promise made to Abraham is not the same thing as a direct revelation made to every person who would live thousands of years later, even if they sang Abraham's blessings are mine

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4. The Land Promise and the People Who Were Already There

The question becomes more complicated when we examine the land promised to Abraham's descendants.

Genesis 12:6 identifies Canaanites as inhabitants of the land when Abram arrives. Genesis 13:7 also refers to the Canaanites and Perizzites already living there. Genesis 23 later describes Abraham negotiating with Ephron the Hittite to purchase a burial property.

Abraham's relationship with Yahweh therefore unfolds in a land occupied by other peoples, with their own communities and established claims to the places where they live.

Yet Genesis 12:7 presents the land as something Yahweh will give to Abraham's descendants.

From the perspective of the biblical narrative, the promise comes from Yahweh. But from the perspective of the people already occupying the land, the promise is being made by a deity they are not portrayed as having personally encountered in the same way Abraham did.

The moral problem is straightforward: why should a promise made privately between a deity and one man automatically obligate other people to surrender their land?

Imagine that someone arrives in a community and declares that the land belongs to him because his god promised it to his ancestors. The inhabitants may ask who made this promise, why they should recognize that god's authority, and why a promise made without their participation should determine their future.

Simply repeating the claim does not answer those questions.
The same reasoning applies when the claim appears in a sacred text. The fact that the Bible presents the land promise as divinely authorized explains the Israelites' understanding of their actions within the narrative. It does not independently establish that the other inhabitants were morally obligated to accept the promise.

This brings us back to the larger issue. The God of Israel is introduced through a story of ancestry, covenant, national identity, and land. The universal interpretation of that God requires us to examine how the story moves beyond those original relationships.

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5. Did Yahweh Call Every believer as He Called Abraham?

Here we arrive at one of the most important distinctions in this discussion.

According to Genesis, Yahweh called Abraham. The text presents a direct divine initiative: Yahweh speaks, Abraham responds, and a relationship begins.

A Christian today may believe that Yahweh is also calling them. Some may describe personal experiences that they interpret as encounters with God. The biblical tradition itself contains stories of later encounters, including Paul's experience in Acts 9.

But a Christian cannot simply assume that every believer's experience is identical to Abraham's because both people believe in the same deity.

For most believers, the immediate chain of knowledge begins with another person. Someone tells them about the Bible. Someone explains who Yahweh is, what he supposedly did, and why they should worship him. Their understanding is then shaped by scripture, preaching, family, community, and religious interpretation.

The distinction is not that a belief transmitted through another person must be false. Much of what we know about the world comes through testimony. The distinction is that testimony is not the same as direct personal encounter, and a claim transmitted through testimony still requires grounds for believing it.

A Christian may say, “Yahweh is my God.”
But how did that person come to know this?
Did Yahweh call them in the manner described in Genesis 12? Did they independently establish the truth of the biblical account? Or did they inherit the belief from people who themselves inherited it from others?

These questions deserve honest answers.

The person who tells you about a deity is not the deity. The person who interprets a sacred text is not automatically the authority they claim to represent. And a person who believes they have understood God's wishes does not thereby establish that their interpretation is correct.

Abraham's encounter is an event described in the biblical narrative. Your knowledge of Abraham's encounter is a claim transmitted to you through that narrative. Those are two different things.

That distinction does not settle whether Yahweh exists. It does establish that believing the story of Abraham and personally experiencing what Abraham is said to have experienced are not equivalent.

Roycemadeit:
1. The Question We Rarely Ask

Christians are generally taught to understand the God of the Bible as the universal Creator, the God of Abraham, the God of Israel, and the God of every human being who has ever lived...

See, if you want to dispute this fact all it takes is for you make your claim providing VALID EVIDENCE that support your claim.

If you want to claim that your landlord is not your landlord, YOU MUST PROVE BY SOLID VALID EVIDENCE, else you are guilty of defamation and making false accusations. Which means that you are entitled to be punished for your wickedness

So, in the absence of any valid and sustainable claim, you are just a wicked and ev talking rubbish and proof of you are one of the Antichrists the world was forewarned about

Roycemadeit:
1. The Question We Rarely Ask


That raises an important question: At what point did the God who called Abraham become the God whom every human being is expected to recognize, worship, and obey?

This is not merely a question about religion spreading from one country to another. It is a question about identity, revelation, and authority. Who first encountered this deity? To whom did he reveal himself? Who was expected to recognize him? And how did people who never experienced those original encounters come to regard his claims as binding on them?
To explore these questions, we must begin where the biblical story begins its account of Abraham....

This is a stup... question for most people did not accept Christianity and God of Abraham, Isaac and Isreal because they read Bible.

They accepted because THEY SAW AND ALREADY HEARD WHAT HAPPENED TO ISREAL ESPECIALLY THE HOLOCAUST AND ISRAEL'S RETURN TO THAT SAME PALESTINE.

See how Maroko and Makoko have been wiped out and driven out of their land.

Can anyone bring them back?
Never. It is impossible

Only and Only if God had decided to do it, which He has not, so, Maroko and Makoko people can never be returned there again exactly how Esau, Israel's twin for that matter who was also great just like Isreal was wiped out and wiped off and has been wiped out and off as God Said.

Everyone sees these things and nobody can deny these things.

That is why and how people came to understand the Truly, God Who took Abraham and Isreal as His Own, is Truly and not-disputably God, The Creator of all!

Roycemadeit:
2. Abraham Owned Only a Single Burial Plot

When Abraham needed a place to bury Sarah in Genesis 23, he did not assert a divine right to the land or demand that the inhabitants move. He approached Ephron the Hittite and legally purchased the field and cave at Machpelah.

Genesis 23:16–18 details the transaction: Abraham weighed out silver, and the field, cave, trees, and boundaries were legally transferred to him.

Abraham bought a private plot for a grave. He did not buy Canaan. He did not purchase the cities of the Hivites, Jebusites, or Amorites. Therefore, when later generations returned claiming total ownership over the entire territory, they were not exercising a legal property deed, they were launching an invasion.

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3. A Unilateral Promise Creates No Obligation for the Victims

The covenant detailed in Genesis 12:7, 15:18, and 17:8 was made strictly between Yahweh and Abraham’s lineage.

The Hittites, Hivites, Perizzites, and Jebusites were completely absent from this agreement. They were never party to the covenant, nor were they asked to consent to it.

Consider a simple modern parallel: If a stranger tells his children, "That family's house will belong to you one day," the children may genuinely believe their father. But the family currently living in the house has zero obligation to hand over their keys. They would naturally ask:

* Who made this promise?
* Why should a private arrangement made by strangers obligate us to give up our home?

This is the exact logical dynamic facing the inhabitants of Canaan.

you have good premise but don't forget that you talking the real owner of the house not the occupants, the owner can remove any occupant, like his did the Canaanites at one point and later the Israelites at another point

Roycemadeit:
4. The World Did Not Pause During the Egyptian Enslavement

When Jacob and his seventy descendants migrated to Egypt (Genesis 46, Exodus 1), Canaan did not freeze in time.

For centuries, while the Israelites grew into a massive population and were eventually enslaved in Egypt, the peoples of Canaan continued their lives. Generation after generation of Canaanites, Hivites, and Jebusites were born, built cities, farmed the land, raised families, buried their ancestors, and developed their own cultures.

They were not "occupying" someone else's space; they were living in their own homeland. They were not waiting for Abraham's descendants to return and evict them.

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5. The Epistemological Problem of "Our God Said"

When the Israelites finally approached Canaan, an immediate barrier existed: language, culture, and divine revelation.

Imagine being an inhabitant of Jericho or a Hivite village. You did not stand before the burning bush. You did not witness the plagues of Egypt. You did not hear Yahweh speak at Mount Sinai. You have your own language, heritage, and understanding of the divine.
Suddenly, an armed population arrives at your border and declares: "Our God gave us this land."

From an objective standpoint, the word "Our" is the fundamental problem.

* It is their God, not yours.
* It is their claim of a revelation, which you never heard.

If an armed stranger stands on your property and claims a deity told him to take your home, you have no reason to accept his claim. A private religious claim made by an outsider carrying a weapon is not recognizable as a divine mandate, it is a military threat.

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6. The Reality of Modern Terminology: Invasion and Terrorism

If we strip away religious bias and analyze the actions described in the text through a modern analytical lens, the terminology is straightforward.

In Joshua 6:21, the text describes the fall of Jericho:
"They devoted the city to destruction, both men and women, young and old, oxen, sheep, and donkeys, with the edge of the sword."

In the modern world, when an armed group enters a populated region, cites a religious mandate, slaughters non-combatants, destroys homes, and displaces an entire population to settle its own people, we do not call it a "divine inheritance."
We call it warfare, ethnic cleansing, and terrorism.
When violence is intentionally inflicted on civilian populations; men, women, and the elderly; to intimidate, conquer, and destroy a society, it meets the literal definition of terrorism. Using a religious justification does not change the nature of the act; it simply classifies it as religiously motivated terrorism.

This reminds me of an American speaking of terrorism of one coming to claim another person's land, but what's funny 🤣 was his reaction when asked what did Europeans do when they first came to this continent being called America today.

The world doesn't work the way some think it works, the victors right the story and paint themselves justified.


@OP nevertheless like you wrote it was warfare and that's how their world in those days worked, the nations you mentioned were stronger and larger than Israel which makes it pathetic that the small group of slaves whose children were born in the wilderness could drive them out of their "lands and homes".

The so called "moral justification" was because a different God told the Israelites but because of the said wickedness of the inhabitants of those lands, whom their God who claimed to be God and owner of the whole world judged by evicting them out of life, literally, not just the lands.


Now violence and terrorism would be that the Canaanites were peace loving people, meaning that what the Bible wrote about them was a lie 🤥

Roycemadeit:
7. The Defense of the Homeland

The narrative often frames Canaanite resistance as wicked opposition to God's will. But from the perspective of a Jebusite or a Hivite, resisting the Israelite army was not an act of evil; it was self-defense.

If it were so often like you claimed why did you not quote a single reference for such?

Dtruthspeaker:
You obviously did not consider that God is The Owner of this Hotel/Hostel or Tenement called world and therefore He is The Land Lord.

And since the Hittites, Hivites, etc did not purchase the land from Him, then therefore, they do not have any contract with God neither can they stop Him from selling, transferring or dashing the land to anybody He pleases as they are just squatters and illegal occupants as your kings would say

So, thus, God's act of gifting and transferring the land to Isreal is lawful as it is within His Rights

Law maximum
"qui iure suo utitur neminem laedit- He does no wrong he who exercises his rights".

Case dismissed for lack of merit!

lol Roycemadeit didn't consider this in his thesis

6. Why Command Israel to Have No Other Gods?

One of the most recognizable commandments in the Hebrew Bible appears in Exodus 20:3:

“You shall have no other gods before me.”

From a critical-historical perspective, this command must be understood within the worldview of the Ancient Near East. Rather than asserting strict philosophical monotheism; the absolute denial that other gods exist; the prohibition operates on the assumption of monolatry or henotheism: the exclusive worship of one deity while recognizing the existence of others.

The command targets an ancient audience immersed in a polytheistic environment where worshipping regional deities was standard practice. Biblical narratives repeatedly reflect this tension, portraying Israelite religion not as a static, isolated monotheism, but as a perpetual contest for allegiance:

The Golden Calf Incident (Exodus 32): Depicts syncretic or competing cultic practices during the wilderness tradition.

Prophetic Polemics (e.g., Kings and Hosea): Highlight persistent Israelite veneration of Canaanite deities such as Baal and Asherah.

Exodus 20:2 grounds the prohibition in a national covenant framework: Yahweh claims exclusive devotion because he is the deity who brought Israel out of Egypt. The text frames the obligation as a specific legal contract based on a historical claims of deliverance, rather than a universal declaration of abstract monotheism applicable to all nations.

The biblical text initially focuses on national loyalty. The conceptual shift; requiring other nations to abandon their traditional cults and accept Yahweh’s supreme authority; represents a distinct development in Israel's theological evolution.

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7. The Most High and Yahweh in Deuteronomy 32

A foundational text for understanding early Israelite divine hierarchy is Deuteronomy 32:8–9.

The passage describes Elyon (the Most High) dividing the nations and establishing their borders according to the number of heavenly beings, after which Yahweh receives Israel as his specific allotment.


Textual criticism reveals significant historical developments in this passage:

Masoretic Text (MT): Reads "sons of Israel" (bnei Yisrael).

Dead Sea Scrolls (4QDeut^q) & Septuagint (LXX): Read "sons of God" (bnei Elohim) or "angels of God" (aggelōn theou).


Textual scholars generally consider the Dead Sea Scrolls reading older. In this older reading, the text reflects an ancient divine council framework common in Canaanite mythology (such as the Ugaritic texts), where the supreme deity (El or Elyon) presides over a council of heavenly figures (bnei El), distributing nations to individual divine guardians.

This text preserves traces of a tradition where Yahweh operated as a national deity alongside other divine figures within a broader pantheon. While later editorial redactors conflated Yahweh and Elyon into a single supreme deity, literary analysis demonstrates that the underlying layer of Deuteronomy 32 reflects an earlier, stratified divine hierarchy.

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8. Psalm 82 and the Divine Assembly

Psalm 82 provides additional evidence for the divine council model in ancient Israelite thought.

The psalm opens with a dramatic scene: God (El) takes his stand in the divine assembly (adat-El) and pronounces judgment among the gods (elohim):

“I said, ‘You are gods; you are all sons of the Most High.’ But you will die like mere mortals; you will fall like every other ruler.” (Psalm 82:6–7)

Comparative religious analysis yields two main scholarly interpretations of these elohim:

The Divine Council Model (Historical-Critical Consensus): The figures are lesser supernatural being; national gods or divine guardians; who failed to administer justice on Earth. Consequently, Yahweh strips them of their immortality and absorbs their authority over the nations.

The Human Magistrate Interpretation (Traditional/Rabbinic): The figures are human judges exercising divine authority on Earth who are being condemned for corruption.

The historical language heavily favors the first reading. The Hebrew term elohim functions flexibly in biblical literature:

Plural usage: Refers to foreign deities, spirits, or members of the heavenly council.

Singular usage (with singular verbs): Refers specifically to Yahweh, the primary God of Israel.

Psalm 82 captures a transition in Israelite religious history: the dismantling of a multi-tiered pantheon in favor of an emergent monotheistic model where Yahweh absorbs the domains previously managed by lower deities.

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9. The Prince of Persia and National Guardians
The Book of Daniel expands on the concept of regional divine figures, introducing a developed angelology that mirrors intertestamental and apocalyptic literature.

In Daniel 10, a heavenly messenger describes a spiritual conflict against the "prince (sar) of the kingdom of Persia," which is resolved only when Michael, designated as "one of the chief princes" and guardian of Daniel’s people, intervenes. The messenger further references an upcoming conflict with the "prince of Greece."

These "princes" are heavenly patrons associated with specific imperial powers.

This framework demonstrates that exilic and post-exilic Jewish thought retained the idea of a territorial, supernatural order. Rather than dismissing foreign gods as simple non-entities or carved idols, apocalyptic literature categorized them as lower, often hostile supernatural entities controlling the geopolitical realm.

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10. Yahweh: From Local Deity to Universal Creator

Analyzing these passages does not reduce ancient Israelite religion to simple tribalism, but rather illustrates its complex evolution.

The Hebrew Bible contains distinct layers of tradition that exist in historical tension:

Universalist Traditions: Texts such as Genesis 1 and Deutero-Isaiah present Yahweh as the sole Creator of the cosmos and absolute master of history.

Localized/Henotheistic Traditions: Passages in Exodus, Deuteronomy, Psalms, and Daniel preserve an older worldview where Yahweh’s primary role was as the specific patron deity of Israel within a populates supernatural realm.

These concepts are inherently contradictory in an ancient context; regional patron gods were frequently credited with cosmic power by their respective worshippers throughout the Ancient Near East.

Tracing these distinctions allows us to examine whether Christianity’s doctrine of the Trinity is truly monotheistic, given its belief in three distinct divine persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Although Christianity maintains that these three persons constitute one God, Judaism argues that this raises fundamental questions about the meaning and consistency of its claim to monotheism.

From the topic you realize this isn't about what some tribe that calls themselves Israel did but what some fake god some people deceive themselves into believing made them to while thinking they were right to do it.

god not God, then presents the idea that the name of this god was Yahweh a being not known to others. So the basis of Roycemadeit argument which looks like an AI draft, is that Israelites were a group of terrorists who justified their violence by using a religious construct, making up a god that others didn't know about.

He doesn't even attempt to misquote any scripture, and like someone corrected nations had heard what happened to Egypt, men they had decades for that news to spread.

Rightly so, some god did that, does that give Israel the right to kill and take the homes of others?

So it boils down to the main point, is this god, the God, does he has a right like some have point to evict those tribes from Canaan and what does that mean for us.


In the long run, we have to either believe there's a God who owns the heavens and the earth, a God, the God who judges all and what happened to the Canaanites can as well happen again. The question of if such a God is right, is baseless, even under human laws you can't even question a king or government of using their own lands.

If morally speaking, the said Bible stated they lived against the owners will.

Agreed people have lied that God said and killed millions in the process, but those don't justify a condemnation towards God for judging the wicked.

Except what OP, roycemadeit wants us to believe is that such a God doesn't not exist.

Roycemadeit:
6. Why Command Israel to Have No Other Gods?

One of the most recognizable commandments in the Hebrew Bible appears in Exodus 20:3:

“You shall have no other gods before me.”

From a critical-historical perspective, this command must be understood within the worldview of the Ancient Near East. Rather than asserting strict philosophical monotheism; the absolute denial that other gods exist; the prohibition operates on the assumption of monolatry or henotheism: the exclusive worship of one deity while recognizing the existence of others.

The command targets an ancient audience immersed in a polytheistic environment where worshipping regional deities was standard practice. Biblical narratives repeatedly reflect this tension, portraying Israelite religion not as a static, isolated monotheism, but as a perpetual contest for allegiance:

The Golden Calf Incident (Exodus 32): Depicts syncretic or competing cultic practices during the wilderness tradition.

Prophetic Polemics (e.g., Kings and Hosea): Highlight persistent Israelite veneration of Canaanite deities such as Baal and Asherah.

Exodus 20:2 grounds the prohibition in a national covenant framework: Yahweh claims exclusive devotion because he is the deity who brought Israel out of Egypt. The text frames the obligation as a specific legal contract based on a historical claims of deliverance, rather than a universal declaration of abstract monotheism applicable to all nations.

The biblical text initially focuses on national loyalty. The conceptual shift; requiring other nations to abandon their traditional cults and accept Yahweh’s supreme authority; represents a distinct development in Israel's theological evolution.

---

7. The Most High and Yahweh in Deuteronomy 32

A foundational text for understanding early Israelite divine hierarchy is Deuteronomy 32:8–9.

The passage describes Elyon (the Most High) dividing the nations and establishing their borders according to the number of heavenly beings, after which Yahweh receives Israel as his specific allotment.


Textual criticism reveals significant historical developments in this passage:

Masoretic Text (MT): Reads "sons of Israel" (bnei Yisrael).

Dead Sea Scrolls (4QDeut^q) & Septuagint (LXX): Read "sons of God" (bnei Elohim) or "angels of God" (aggelōn theou).


Textual scholars generally consider the Dead Sea Scrolls reading older. In this older reading, the text reflects an ancient divine council framework common in Canaanite mythology (such as the Ugaritic texts), where the supreme deity (El or Elyon) presides over a council of heavenly figures (bnei El), distributing nations to individual divine guardians.

This text preserves traces of a tradition where Yahweh operated as a national deity alongside other divine figures within a broader pantheon. While later editorial redactors conflated Yahweh and Elyon into a single supreme deity, literary analysis demonstrates that the underlying layer of Deuteronomy 32 reflects an earlier, stratified divine hierarchy.

---

8. Psalm 82 and the Divine Assembly

Psalm 82 provides additional evidence for the divine council model in ancient Israelite thought.

The psalm opens with a dramatic scene: God (El) takes his stand in the divine assembly (adat-El) and pronounces judgment among the gods (elohim):

“I said, ‘You are gods; you are all sons of the Most High.’ But you will die like mere mortals; you will fall like every other ruler.” (Psalm 82:6–7)

Comparative religious analysis yields two main scholarly interpretations of these elohim:

The Divine Council Model (Historical-Critical Consensus): The figures are lesser supernatural being; national gods or divine guardians; who failed to administer justice on Earth. Consequently, Yahweh strips them of their immortality and absorbs their authority over the nations.

The Human Magistrate Interpretation (Traditional/Rabbinic): The figures are human judges exercising divine authority on Earth who are being condemned for corruption.

The historical language heavily favors the first reading. The Hebrew term elohim functions flexibly in biblical literature:

Plural usage: Refers to foreign deities, spirits, or members of the heavenly council.

Singular usage (with singular verbs): Refers specifically to Yahweh, the primary God of Israel.

Psalm 82 captures a transition in Israelite religious history: the dismantling of a multi-tiered pantheon in favor of an emergent monotheistic model where Yahweh absorbs the domains previously managed by lower deities.

---

9. The Prince of Persia and National Guardians
The Book of Daniel expands on the concept of regional divine figures, introducing a developed angelology that mirrors intertestamental and apocalyptic literature.

In Daniel 10, a heavenly messenger describes a spiritual conflict against the "prince (sar) of the kingdom of Persia," which is resolved only when Michael, designated as "one of the chief princes" and guardian of Daniel’s people, intervenes. The messenger further references an upcoming conflict with the "prince of Greece."

These "princes" are heavenly patrons associated with specific imperial powers.

This framework demonstrates that exilic and post-exilic Jewish thought retained the idea of a territorial, supernatural order. Rather than dismissing foreign gods as simple non-entities or carved idols, apocalyptic literature categorized them as lower, often hostile supernatural entities controlling the geopolitical realm.

---

10. Yahweh: From Local Deity to Universal Creator

Analyzing these passages does not reduce ancient Israelite religion to simple tribalism, but rather illustrates its complex evolution.

The Hebrew Bible contains distinct layers of tradition that exist in historical tension:

Universalist Traditions: Texts such as Genesis 1 and Deutero-Isaiah present Yahweh as the sole Creator of the cosmos and absolute master of history.

Localized/Henotheistic Traditions: Passages in Exodus, Deuteronomy, Psalms, and Daniel preserve an older worldview where Yahweh’s primary role was as the specific patron deity of Israel within a populates supernatural realm.

These concepts are inherently contradictory in an ancient context; regional patron gods were frequently credited with cosmic power by their respective worshippers throughout the Ancient Near East.

Tracing these distinctions allows us to examine whether Christianity’s doctrine of the Trinity is truly monotheistic, given its belief in three distinct divine persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Although Christianity maintains that these three persons constitute one God, Judaism argues that this raises fundamental questions about the meaning and consistency of its claim to monotheism.

lol like I said this is the point of your OP, questioning the identity of YHVH

First of YHVH is the most high God
Ps.7.17 I will give thanks to the LORD because of his righteousness and will sing praise to the name of the LORD Most High. (NIV)

The famous Israelites recitation which goes: Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. (From Deut 6:4) Is stated for the people to believe that there is only one God whose name is YHVH and he isn't two or three or many, just one.

So the commandment isn't a recognition of or for other gods but a warning against deception that occurred by those who claimed to be god, it's like you saying thou shall not murder proves murder rightfully occurs but you're not do so like others.


Isa.37.20 Now, O LORD our God, deliver us from his hand, so that all kingdoms on earth may know that you alone, O LORD, are God. " (NIV)

Now Jesus also quoted that Psalm 82, and the purpose for those who claim to be gods but fail to be like the one true God is to be judged, for they shall die like men, and the reason this is written is because those whom God was judging were judges and leaders of men, who the word went to and scriptures call them gods.

Atheist wants to preach Bible but refused to figure out why the Bible God built a name that's above the name of all other deities!🥱