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IslamVIRGINS:
Is she one of your 100 WIFES

Pele Paulinah , you will be healed one day . 🤣

doffman:
Pele Paulinah , you will be healed one day . 🤣

You will be what

doffman:
Pele Paulinah , you will be healed one day . 🤣

We don't hear from your WIFES again

doffman:
After I have answered your questions over and over , So it is hard to explain who you worship ahaaaa. 🤣

You guys always think everyone will be a follower of liars like you Christian . You should know that we get 🧠 and we reason well; we do not follow blindly like you in Christianity .


You just said this now :

Then u asked me who do I worship. And I said YHWH.


Now , further , for you to also say this :

“Then u wanted to know if u worship Jesus Christ”

After all ; you previously in my past encounter with you before you ran away , u once supported the notion in the past that you can worship Jesus nah ; why are are u lying again now🤣. Any way, no problem o ; just don’t let me see you say you worship Jesu o .

That means you are not sure if you are worshipping Jehovah as you claimed .


Moreover , And you have been asking me several times if God has a son 🤣


I have told you repeatedly, He did not have a son and he did not ask us to worship any son . Period .
Na by force for God to have a son 🤣.
If you think I am lying give us proof that says where he said he has a son na. Period : Tuehh

Let me call honesttalk to come and help u. because I dont understand why u are ashamed of your prophet.

u are embarrassed by what your prophet said he would do if he had known Allah has a son.

I don't think I should continue asking u this question if u are not even confident of your faith as a Muslim. because all I see here is denying what your prophet openly declared.

My question is not Does Allah have a Son? I never asked u that, so why are u telling me Allah doesnt have a son.

My question is Let's say he has a Son as hypothesized in the Quran; should that Son be worshipped? Yes or No

Muhammed answered and said He will definitely worship the son of Allah.

so doffman what will u do, will u join Muhammed to worship the Son of Allah if he has one.

pls honesttalk help him to answer

doffman:
See this one disgracing himself online : Shioor ,

Did I ever tell you the story is not true about pre Islamic time .

No be you want to lie and portray it as if Muslims are doing the act currently .
Up till now ; you still avoid the question 🤣

Did you also believe that the story was in existence doing pre Islamic time and not current Islamic time ?

Yes or no ?


🤣

Answer that if e sure for you nah

according to the hadith it's a true story that happened during pre-islamic period.

so now that we are in islamic period, are u now saying monkeys dont stone fellow monkey for adultary anymore OR humans don't join them in stoning cheating monkeys.

which one is it

honesttalk21:
You previously said we were done, yet you reopened the issue. So let’s settle all 3 claims: sacred, deified, or worshipped. Deut. 16:22 must establish which category it forbids. If sacred means religious significance, your Bible contains religiously significant stones. If deified means treated as a deity, show Muslims believe the Black Stone is a deity or independently forgives sins. If worshipped means directing worship to it, show where Islam commands worship or prostration to the Stone. Touching it proves none of these by itself.

we will discuss further in the future.

But u conveniently ignore the most important - veneration of the stone.

I believe your theology has been heavily influenced by judeo christian tradition. I serioulst doubt someone like u will travel to pilgrimage and kiss the stone in return for remission of sin.

and this brings me to the bigger question, why do u muslims rejects God can forgive sin thru Jesus when u believe a mere stone can be a medium of expiation of sin.
it makes absolute no sense. I am beginning to think islam has no independent theology of its own but just antagonise any christian theology even if it contradicts islam

SIRTee15:
we will discuss further in the future.

But u conveniently ignore the most important - veneration of the stone.

I believe your theology has been heavily influenced by judeo christian tradition. I serioulst doubt someone like u will travel to pilgrimage and kiss the stone in return for remission of sin.

and this brings me to the bigger question, why do u muslims rejects God can forgive sin thru Jesus when u believe a mere stone can be a medium of expiation of sin.
it makes absolute no sense. I am beginning to think islam has no independent theology of its own but just antagonise any christian theology even if it contradicts islam

You think kissing or touching the stone is like a doctrine of Islam or what? It is not even a core ritual/rites of Hajj pilgrimage not to talk of doctrine of Islam. Abi what makes u think every Muslims that goes to hajj must want to touch or kiss the stone? I don't know why you want to make us stone worshippers so bad. The stone is a relic, the stone has been stolen in the past for over 2 decades, that did not stop Muslims from praying or going for pilgrimage.

And what do you mean by our theology has been influenced by Judeo-Christian traditions.
There is no religion that comes close to Islam in having retained the practices of its first-generation adherents. I want you to prove me wrong if there is any.

Shey the same Judeo that see mainstream trinitarian Christianity as avodah zarah, abi the Christianity that see the Judaism as anti-Christ and LIAR by your own submission. And both of you are actually correct, Judeo-Christian una.

Abeg nothing from Una two influence us.

SIRTee15:
Let me call honesttalk to come and help u. because I dont understand why u are ashamed of your prophet.

u are embarrassed by what your prophet said he would do if he had known Allah has a son.

I don't think I should continue asking u this question if u are not even confident of your faith as a Muslim. because all I see here is denying what your prophet openly declared.

My question is not Does Allah have a Son? I never asked u that, so why are u telling me Allah doesnt have a son.

My question is Let's say he has a Son as hypothesized in the Quran; should that Son be worshipped? Yes or No

Muhammed answered and said He will definitely worship the son of Allah.

so doffman what will u do, will u join Muhammed to worship the Son of Allah if he has one.

pls honesttalk help him to answer

🤣🤣🤣 I repeat , stop disgracing yourself nah .

You think Quran is like you fake bibeli ; Shioor .

Does Quran ever tell you Allah has a son ?

This is the question you can never answer ahaaa

Just admit you have been casted 🤣

You want to twist Hypothetical Statement of Quran verse that is conditional and rhetorical; a verse that support a confession that Allah does not has any son.



I am happy you have been disgraced .

Oya call other guy to also tutor you nah .


Shior

SIRTee15:
according to the hadith it's a true story that happened during pre-islamic period.

so now that we are in islamic period, are u now saying monkeys dont stone fellow monkey for adultary anymore OR humans don't join them in stoning cheating monkeys.

which one is it

This is why you will remain a Christian brainwashed by Paul .

You did not answer my question nah .

Leave the story . We all agreed that it was during pre Islamic time .

The question i am asking you is that :

Does still practice and allow in this current Islamic time ?

Yes or no ?



You think I am your co Christian who they have been brainwashed ni ; Shioor

SIRTee15


Omo, you just Dey use style to run away .

I will still catch you seh .

This is your last chance before I pass my judgement on your and call your fellow unbelievers :


Do you worship Jesus or you worship only that your Jehovah you called father ?
I will compare you with your fellow unbelievers o

This is typical example that you guys in Christianity really confuse about your religion ?

IslamVIRGINS:
We don't hear from your WIFES again

IslamVIRGINS:
You will be what

This tiny unbeliever always make me laugh 😆

After i have bursted her and dealt with her ; she has never recovered ; she has been on repetition mode for the past few months .

Just remain like that o

doffman:
This tiny unbeliever always make me laugh 😆

After i have bursted her and dealt with her ; she has never recovered ; she has been on repetition mode for the past few months .

Just remain like that o

You wanna jump fence

doffman:
🤣🤣🤣 Omo , who wil now rescue this tiny unbeliever bayi ?

You will be in this repetition mode till you faint seh .

Pele ahaaa

You even run away from other page . Ahaaa

Any update from your 100 WIFES..

See how I humble you on that matter

IslamVIRGINS:
You wanna jump fence

IslamVIRGINS:
Any update from your 100 WIFES..

See how I humble you on that matter

🤣🤣 you humble yourself after the thing hit u well .

You entered repetition after u casted nah .


Just remain like that o

You will repeat tire 🤣

doffman:
🤣🤣 you humble yourself after the thing hit u well .

You entered repetition after u casted nah .


Just remain like that o

You will repeat tire 🤣

What

doffman:
This tiny unbeliever always make me laugh 😆

After i have bursted her and dealt with her ; she has never recovered ; she has been on repetition mode for the past few months .

Just remain like that o

Tired you?

Qasim6:
You think kissing or touching the stone is like a doctrine of Islam or what? It is not even a core ritual/rites of Hajj pilgrimage not to talk of doctrine of Islam. Abi what makes u think every Muslims that goes to hajj must want to touch or kiss the stone? I don't know why you want to make us stone worshippers so bad. The stone is a relic, the stone has been stolen in the past for over 2 decades, that did not stop Muslims from praying or going for pilgrimage.

And what do you mean by our theology has been influenced by Judeo-Christian traditions.
There is no religion that comes close to Islam in having retained the practices of its first-generation adherents. I want you to prove me wrong if there is any.

Shey the same Judeo that see mainstream trinitarian Christianity as avodah zarah, abi the Christianity that see the Judaism as anti-Christ and LIAR by your own submission. And both of you are actually correct, Judeo-Christian una.

Abeg nothing from Una two influence us.

u guys have completely modified your theology to where we dont even know what to believe about Islam anymore.

black stone is a mere stone but it can forgive sins
Allah said he's not a father and has no son, but muslims say its ok for Allah to be a father if it's simply metaphorical.
but same quran condemn christians and jews for saying they are children of Allah.
Allah said Jesus is not the Son of God and curse those who says so. Muslims say it's ok for Jesus to be son of God so long he's not God.
Muslims says bible is corrupt but Quran says otherwise, it confirms the injeel and the torah and tells jews and christians to follow the previous scriptures.
Muslims then turn around and say there's general and absolute confirmation. whatever that mean.

I even heard recently that Muhammed will seat on the throne of Allah on judgement day in a desperate bid to show Jesus sitting on the throne of God doesn't make him divine.
is that true, that Allah will stand up for Muhammed to sit on his throne.

Allah said Jesus was never crucified and Jesus disciples were believers. Muslims says it's ok for Jesus disciples to believe in the cruxifixion and resurrection of Jesus because that doesnt prove christianity.
So Jesus disiciples who are believers were preaching falsehood and Allah had no problem with that!!!

Passover and sacrificial system, the backbone of the torah was never mentioned in the Koran. if jews were to follow the torah as commanded by Allah, are they not suppose to be killing animals for forgiveness of sins? Muslims argue Jesus abrograted it, but same Jesus said he has not come to abolish the law but to fulfil it. and the tafsir mentioned the only thing Jesus changed in the torah was dietary laws.

We point out Quran contain stories from the jewish talmud and midrash that are not found in the torah, within the islamic paradigm what that mean is those stories were in the original torah given to Moses but later removed by corrupt scribes. this raise a serious preservation issue because how come the jews removed those stories from the torah but preserved it in their midrash. it makes no sense at all. why would they remove a story from the original torah but preserved same story in their talmud.

Then the issue of when was the torah corrupted and when did the corruption stop. since we have the dead sea scrolls dated 300bc to 70AD and they are exact copy of what we have today, that shows stability of the torah for over 2300 years. so when was the torah corrupted and why did the jews stop corrupting their text after 300bc.

and more interesting is the fact that we now know the torah that existed during the time of Jesus and its exactly like the one we have today. and in both gospel and Quran, Jesus confirmed the torah of his time as true. Allah taught him the same torah and he preached from it. How then can the torah be corrupt!!!! torah that Jesus held between his hand and announced its from Allah.
muslims got around this by saying Jesus merely did a general confirmation and not absolute confirmation.

But there's nothing like general or absolute confirmation in the Quran, nothing like that. Its an innovation- biddah. an attempt to compromise the ethics of the Quran.


anytime we bring up a theological issue with Islamic beliefs, muslims find a way to rationalise it by watering down interpretation of their Quran.

sincerely I dont know what to believe about the Quran anymore. it's like muslims are beginning to realise for Quran to be true, history must be false.
and since its impossible for history to be false, muslims are working hard on innovation and reinnovation to prop up their religion to harmonise with history.

SIRTee15:
we will discuss further in the future.

But u conveniently ignore the most important - veneration of the stone.

I believe your theology has been heavily influenced by judeo christian tradition. I serioulst doubt someone like u will travel to pilgrimage and kiss the stone in return for remission of sin.

and this brings me to the bigger question, why do u muslims rejects God can forgive sin thru Jesus when u believe a mere stone can be a medium of expiation of sin.
it makes absolute no sense. I am beginning to think islam has no independent theology of its own but just antagonise any christian theology even if it contradicts islam

Adjourning isn't answering, and the burden stays yours. We acknowledge the Stone's veneration; prove Deut. 16:22 forbids this rite and binds Muslims. Umar, a companion of the prophet pbuh, said it can neither benefit nor harm, while Nasa'i 2919 links forgiveness to the rite, not independent power in the Stone. Allah alone forgives. Your Judeo-Christian influence claim also needs evidence well beyond your bland assertion. Be better ready when you choose to continue.

honesttalk21:
Adjourning isn't answering, and the burden stays yours. We acknowledge the Stone's veneration; prove Deut. 16:22 forbids this rite and binds Muslims. Umar, a companion of the prophet pbuh, said it can neither benefit nor harm, while Nasa'i 2919 links forgiveness to the rite, not independent power in the Stone. Allah alone forgives. Your Judeo-Christian influence claim also needs evidence well beyond your bland assertion. Be better ready when you choose to continue.

no be u, even if I bring evidence directly from Baba God, u go gree.

God says do not venerate stones, u guys venerate stones.
next thing is to try and look for partner in crime to justify your disobedience
unfortunately, there is no pillar or stone in the bible that was constantly venerated by Israelites or a stone God gave any instruction must be venerated when performing religious duty. none
The only one that would have rescued u from the paradigm of paganism is the bronze snake but was smashed to pieces when people started venerating it.

This is what God said should be done to any venerated stones found in the land.

exodus 23.24
Do not bow down before their gods or worship them or follow their practices. You must demolish them and break their sacred stones to pieces .

exodus 34.13
Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones and cut down their Asherah poles.

This is exactly what your prophet should have done because that was what hezekiah did with the bronze snake. If a king can smash to pieces a sacred pole used for miracle and salvation by Moses, Muhammed has no excuse.


He removed the high places and broke the pillars and cut down the Asherah. And [b]he broke in pieces the bronze serpent that Moses had made, [/b]for until those days the people of Israel had made offerings to it (it was called Nehushtan).

that the black stone came from the sky or built by Abraham is not sufficient ground to uphold such practice when God already banned it.

asking where God told Muslims not to venerate a stone is what we call 'exact word fallacy' and the only way u can be exhonerated is if Muhammed message IS NOT IN CONTINUITY WITH PREVIOUS PROPHET OR ALLAH IS NOT THE SAME GOD AS THE ONE THAT SPOKE TO MOSES.

IslamVIRGINS:
What

IslamVIRGINS:
Tired you?

🤣🤣🤣 you will repeat tire seh , you are doing well . Owo ti bae finally ahahaa

SIRTee15:
no be u, even if I bring evidence directly from Baba God, u go gree.

God says do not venerate stones, u guys venerate stones.
next thing is to try and look for partner in crime to justify your disobedience
unfortunately, there is no pillar or stone in the bible that was constantly venerated by Israelites or a stone God gave any instruction must be venerated when performing religious duty. none
The only one that would have rescued u from the paradigm of paganism is the bronze snake but was smashed to pieces when people started venerating it.

This is what God said should be done to any venerated stones found in the land.

exodus 23.24
Do not bow down before their gods or worship them or follow their practices. You must demolish them and break their sacred stones to pieces .

exodus 34.13
Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones and cut down their Asherah poles.

This is exactly what your prophet should have done because that was what hezekiah did with the bronze snake. If a king can smash to pieces a sacred pole used for miracle and salvation by Moses, Muhammed has no excuse.


He removed the high places and broke the pillars and cut down the Asherah. And [b]he broke in pieces the bronze serpent that Moses had made, [/b]for until those days the people of Israel had made offerings to it (it was called Nehushtan).

that the black stone came from the sky or built by Abraham is not sufficient ground to uphold such practice when God already banned it.

asking where God told Muslims not to venerate a stone is what we call 'exact word fallacy' and the only way u can be exhonerated is if Muhammed message IS NOT IN CONTINUITY WITH PREVIOUS PROPHET OR ALLAH IS NOT THE SAME GOD AS THE ONE THAT SPOKE TO MOSES.

So far you dwell in insufficiency. Exodus 23:24 and 34:13 target Canaanite cult objects of other gods. Hezekiah smashed the serpent because Israel burned incense to it (2 Kings 18:4). Islam doesn't teach offerings to the Stone, and Umar said it can't benefit or harm. Muhammad pbuh smashed the Kaaba's idols. Showing the link is your burden, not a fallacy.

SIRTee15:
u guys have completely modified your theology to where we dont even know what to believe about Islam anymore.

black stone is a mere stone but it can forgive sins
Allah said he's not a father and has no son, but muslims say its ok for Allah to be a father if it's simply metaphorical.
but same quran condemn christians and jews for saying they are children of Allah.
Allah said Jesus is not the Son of God and curse those who says so. Muslims say it's ok for Jesus to be son of God so long he's not God.
Muslims says bible is corrupt but Quran says otherwise, it confirms the injeel and the torah and tells jews and christians to follow the previous scriptures.
Muslims then turn around and say there's general and absolute confirmation. whatever that mean.

I even heard recently that Muhammed will seat on the throne of Allah on judgement day in a desperate bid to show Jesus sitting on the throne of God doesn't make him divine.
is that true, that Allah will stand up for Muhammed to sit on his throne.

Allah said Jesus was never crucified and Jesus disciples were believers. Muslims says it's ok for Jesus disciples to believe in the cruxifixion and resurrection of Jesus because that doesnt prove christianity.
So Jesus disiciples who are believers were preaching falsehood and Allah had no problem with that!!!

Passover and sacrificial system, the backbone of the torah was never mentioned in the Koran. if jews were to follow the torah as commanded by Allah, are they not suppose to be killing animals for forgiveness of sins? Muslims argue Jesus abrograted it, but same Jesus said he has not come to abolish the law but to fulfil it. and the tafsir mentioned the only thing Jesus changed in the torah was dietary laws.

We point out Quran contain stories from the jewish talmud and midrash that are not found in the torah, within the islamic paradigm what that mean is those stories were in the original torah given to Moses but later removed by corrupt scribes. this raise a serious preservation issue because how come the jews removed those stories from the torah but preserved it in their midrash. it makes no sense at all. why would they remove a story from the original torah but preserved same story in their talmud.

Then the issue of when was the torah corrupted and when did the corruption stop. since we have the dead sea scrolls dated 300bc to 70AD and they are exact copy of what we have today, that shows stability of the torah for over 2300 years. so when was the torah corrupted and why did the jews stop corrupting their text after 300bc.

and more interesting is the fact that we now know the torah that existed during the time of Jesus and its exactly like the one we have today. and in both gospel and Quran, Jesus confirmed the torah of his time as true. Allah taught him the same torah and he preached from it. How then can the torah be corrupt!!!! torah that Jesus held between his hand and announced its from Allah.
muslims got around this by saying Jesus merely did a general confirmation and not absolute confirmation.

But there's nothing like general or absolute confirmation in the Quran, nothing like that. Its an innovation- biddah. an attempt to compromise the ethics of the Quran.


anytime we bring up a theological issue with Islamic beliefs, muslims find a way to rationalise it by watering down interpretation of their Quran.

sincerely I dont know what to believe about the Quran anymore. it's like muslims are beginning to realise for Quran to be true, history must be false.
and since its impossible for history to be false, muslims are working hard on innovation and reinnovation to prop up their religion to harmonise with history.

This your machine gun approach won't work, my focus in this discussion is the black stone, we will shelve every other things you brought up till another time God willing.

Here is a quote from Umar, who was one of the closest companion of the Prophet, he was the 2nd Caliph. So he was one of the first of the first generation of Muslims, here is a perspective of a very early Muslim on the stone.
"No doubt, I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit anyone nor harm anyone. Had I not seen Allah's Messenger kissing you, I would not have kissed you."
So where is this "your theology has changed" coming from?
The irony that this is even coming from a trinitarian Christian.
Prior to the council of Constantinople in 381, a lot of "Orthodox Christians" theologians don't even know the Holy spirit is God. Na only God know how many Christians that have passed away with a deficient theology.

And no we don't believe the black stone have some magical powers to forgive sins, having such belief already violate Tawhid the bedrock of Islam.

doffman:
🤣🤣🤣 you will repeat tire seh , you are doing well . Owo ti bae finally ahahaa

You can increase your volume

IslamVIRGINS:
You can increase your volume

How many times have you eaten pork ? 🤣🤣

Pork eater ahaaaa

doffman:
How many times have you eaten pork ? 🤣🤣

Pork eater ahaaaa

Ask again

doffman:
How many times have you eaten pork ? 🤣🤣

Pork eater ahaaaa

Update us on your 100 wifes

IslamVIRGINS:
Ask again

IslamVIRGINS:
Update us on your 100 wifes

Omo , e be like say , they don abandoned you again 🤣🤣🙈

Wa feeee laaaa seh ahaa

How far nah 🤣

doffman:
Omo , e be like say , they don abandoned you again 🤣🤣🙈

Wa feeee laaaa seh ahaa

How far nah 🤣

You said what boy?

doffman:
🤣🤣🤣 you will repeat tire seh , you are doing well . Owo ti bae finally ahahaa

Let's give it to your 100 wifes

SEX IS NOT A BLESSING. IT IS A TEMPTATION.
AND SO GAY MARRIAGES IN CHURCH IS TURNING MY FATHER'S HOUSE INTO A BROTHEL.

IslamVIRGINS:
You said what boy?

IslamVIRGINS:
Let's give it to your 100 wifes

Even you self don’t understand what you are saying .

Omo, the thing hit you well o 🤣🤣

doffman:
Even you self don’t understand what you are saying .

Omo, the thing hit you well o 🤣🤣

What are you saying