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Mynd44:
A lot of us have seen the video and there has been different responses to it where Pastor Bolaji Idowu, founder and lead pastor of Harvesters International Christian Centre (HICC) was addressing an issue in church about financial responsibilities of men to women in relationships. This must have hit a sour side of some women who believe that men are responsible for providing them with some level of financial relief and they responded "men dey".

The slogan "men dey" came from afrobeatz, it is a slogan that simply says "if this man or men are not willing to do something or cannot do something, there are men that are able and willing to". Basically when Pastor Bolaji told his congregation that they shouldn't expect men to give them money gifts or buy them iphones, they responded with if some men are not able to afford these things, there are men who will and the pastor's response? He removed his shoes, dusted then and said "do you know what the Bible says about when you reach somewhere and they don't accept your message, you dust your shoes" the he ended with "he that has ears, let him hear".

The action the respectable pastor did was actually a commandment of Jesus which are recorded in Matthew 10:14, Mark 6:11, Luke 9:5 and it was applied in Acts 18:6

Lets look at these verses. Note that this is a direct commandmend of Jesus

Matthew 10:14


Mark 6:11


‭Luke 9:5


‭Acts 18:6 ‬


Note that Pastor Bolaji while performing this action of taking off his shoes to dust then also made reference to this verse which he might have join as a joke and not out of anger but, he is their pastor and if you ask me, he somewhat cursed them or gave then up for judgment in that case.

While I do not hold brief for the congregation, I find their action nauseating and needless as to directly say that to the pastor means you are telling him he doesn't know what he is saying.

My question is Pastor Bolaji since cannot claim ignorance of his action, should he be allowed according to Christianity to curse his flock just because they refuse to listen to him? He could have prayed for insight and soft heart but that action he did, fell short a little

Madam go and find a meaningful job and do.

Get a job, start up a business, earn legitimate money and stop twisting stories.

I watched the video, it's so terrible that black African women sees money first before seeing a man. They want it now now. Their past will hunt them, when a married man seizes to fund your excesses and fake lifestyle, reality will set in.

The Pastor did not curse anyone, stop twisting the Bible or the genuine and fatherly teachings of the pastor.

Tomorrow after messing up their lives and couldn't find a Simp for retirement, you will blame the pastor? So women should live a life of no consequences?

Go find a job ma! You need it

Gbadugbakun:
‎One thing I believe men need to understand is that being in a relationship does not automatically make you financially responsible for another adult. Unfortunately, the culture of expecting men to provide everything, regardless of their financial capacity or the woman's own earning potential, is encouraged by men who fail to establish healthy boundaries.

‎Imagine a man earning 350k monthly who willingly gives his girlfriend 150k every month. That leaves him with 200k to cover his own needs, bills, savings, family responsibilities, and emergencies.
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‎Yet, tomorrow, the same woman would turn around and ask, What have you even done for me? simply because he refuses to continue spending beyond his means.
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‎I had the privilege of attending university, and from my experience, men and women pursue education, complete NYSC, compete for jobs, and build careers. In many workplaces, women are not only employed but also occupy significant leadership positions.
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‎Of course, opportunities are not always equal in every industry or circumstance. However, the reality is that many women have the capacity to earn, build businesses, develop careers, and become financially independent.
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‎So, if two adults are capable of working and earning an income, why should one person automatically bear the entire financial responsibility simply because they are the man in the relationship?
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‎Men need to understand that being a gentleman does not mean abandoning common sense. You can be loving, generous, supportive, and responsible without allowing someone to take your kindness for granted. There is a difference between willingly supporting your partner and being made to feel inadequate whenever you cannot provide money.
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‎Men, stop confusing financial sacrifice with proof of love. You do not have to impoverish yourself to prove that you care.
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‎Pay attention to her attitude towards money. Does she have personal goals? Is she making any effort to improve her circumstances? Does she appreciate your sacrifices? Can she contribute according to her ability, or does she believe your income automatically belongs to both of you while hers remains exclusively hers?
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‎These are important questions to ask before committing to a future together.

Baba Twale for u, Men and women get same head why the total abandonment of using yr head cause u be woman.

My uncle once told me this,

"No Christmas till you Succeed"

Baba Hussle o.

Time tested truth is foolish talk? The Patriarchy will be restored and foolish men who give birth to children they will not train are going to answer for it.

softtorce:
This one na foolish talk, the quality of men does not n will never determine the quality of women because the quality of women does not deter that of men.

MrPresident1:
The Bible says that in the last days perilous times shall come

2 Timothy 3:3
King James Version
3 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

But one important thing that must be said is that, the quality of women in any society is directly dependent on the quality of the men.

If the men are of low character, deficient in morals, of poor mental capacity, of little spiritual quality, then be very sure that the women will be the direct mirroring of the poor quality of their men.

In the lands where there are no patriarchs, society goes to sh!t!

This your opinion means women will never be held accountable for any actions, their behavior is dependent on men according to you and you just saw a man trying to shape them but to no avail so is it still the pastors fault (man)? Stop this narrative that women aren't capable of making an independent decision independent on men that's bull crap.

Mynd44:
A lot of us have seen the video and there has been different responses to it where Pastor Bolaji Idowu, founder and lead pastor of Harvesters International Christian Centre (HICC) was addressing an issue in church about financial responsibilities of men to women in relationships. This must have hit a sour side of some women who believe that men are responsible for providing them with some level of financial relief and they responded "men dey".

The slogan "men dey" came from afrobeatz, it is a slogan that simply says "if this man or men are not willing to do something or cannot do something, there are men that are able and willing to". Basically when Pastor Bolaji told his congregation that they shouldn't expect men to give them money gifts or buy them iphones, they responded with if some men are not able to afford these things, there are men who will and the pastor's response? He removed his shoes, dusted then and said "do you know what the Bible says about when you reach somewhere and they don't accept your message, you dust your shoes" the he ended with "he that has ears, let him hear".

The action the respectable pastor did was actually a commandment of Jesus which are recorded in Matthew 10:14, Mark 6:11, Luke 9:5 and it was applied in Acts 18:6

Lets look at these verses. Note that this is a direct commandmend of Jesus

Matthew 10:14


Mark 6:11


‭Luke 9:5


‭Acts 18:6 ‬


Note that Pastor Bolaji while performing this action of taking off his shoes to dust then also made reference to this verse which he might have join as a joke and not out of anger but, he is their pastor and if you ask me, he somewhat cursed them or gave then up for judgment in that case.

While I do not hold brief for the congregation, I find their action nauseating and needless as to directly say that to the pastor means you are telling him he doesn't know what he is saying.

My question is Pastor Bolaji since cannot claim ignorance of his action, should he be allowed according to Christianity to curse his flock just because they refuse to listen to him? He could have prayed for insight and soft heart but that action he did, fell short a little

No, he didn't curse them. He only showed that he has said what is true and heaven won't hold it against him. He didn't curse them. Do you know what curse is at all?

Arostar2023:
What about the “money miss road” men that panders to their every whim and caprices?

1% of men aren't the rule, when one uses a minority as a majority then exceptions becomes the rule in the head of the deluded.

Mynd44:
A lot of us have seen the video and there has been different responses to it where Pastor Bolaji Idowu, founder and lead pastor of Harvesters International Christian Centre (HICC) was addressing an issue in church about financial responsibilities of men to women in relationships. This must have hit a sour side of some women who believe that men are responsible for providing them with some level of financial relief and they responded "men dey".

The slogan "men dey" came from afrobeatz, it is a slogan that simply says "if this man or men are not willing to do something or cannot do something, there are men that are able and willing to". Basically when Pastor Bolaji told his congregation that they shouldn't expect men to give them money gifts or buy them iphones, they responded with if some men are not able to afford these things, there are men who will and the pastor's response? He removed his shoes, dusted then and said "do you know what the Bible says about when you reach somewhere and they don't accept your message, you dust your shoes" the he ended with "he that has ears, let him hear".

The action the respectable pastor did was actually a commandment of Jesus which are recorded in Matthew 10:14, Mark 6:11, Luke 9:5 and it was applied in Acts 18:6

Lets look at these verses. Note that this is a direct commandmend of Jesus

Matthew 10:14


Mark 6:11


‭Luke 9:5


‭Acts 18:6 ‬


Note that Pastor Bolaji while performing this action of taking off his shoes to dust then also made reference to this verse which he might have join as a joke and not out of anger but, he is their pastor and if you ask me, he somewhat cursed them or gave then up for judgment in that case.

While I do not hold brief for the congregation, I find their action nauseating and needless as to directly say that to the pastor means you are telling him he doesn't know what he is saying.

My question is Pastor Bolaji since cannot claim ignorance of his action, should he be allowed according to Christianity to curse his flock just because they refuse to listen to him? He could have prayed for insight and soft heart but that action he did, fell short a little

You are not making sense.

You first pointed out that what he did was indeed scriptural. Then you now said they are his flock so he shouldn't have submitted them up for judgment (note that submitting them for judgment is not the same as cursing them).

So you need to explain why what Pastor Bolaji did does not - in your opinion - fall under the cover of command of Jesus to dust off one's shoes. Or in other words, why you think the pastor should not have obeyed that command.

Having pointed out the error in your reasoning, let me further point out to you that not everyone who attends your Church service is necessarily your member. And how can you tell the difference?

"The sheep hear (obey) the voice of the Shepherd"

samilo88:
The pastor have failed the congregation. He has not discipled them well hence the bubble bursted on that occasion. When u keep emphasizing prosperity and leave doctrine u get a canal congregation

Absolutely true. I agree

ExudeLoveToAll:
This your opinion means women will never be held accountable for any actions, their behavior is dependent on men according to you and you just saw a man trying to shape them but to no avail so is it still the pastors fault (man)? Stop this narrative that women aren't capable of making an independent decision independent on men that's bull crap.

Men are the guardians of morals and decency in any society. Once the men are of poor quality and debased, you can expect their women to be poor quality

Pastor Bolaji own too much jare. How guys for see babes to use renew soap. I wish all those babes just leave the church

samilo88:
The pastor have failed the congregation. He has not discipled them well hence the bubble bursted on that occasion. When u keep emphasizing prosperity and leave doctrine u get a canal congregation

Carnal.

Carnal means relating to physical desires, especially sexual desires.

Canal means a man-made waterway or a passage in the body.

Mynd44:
A lot of us have seen the video and there has been different responses to it where Pastor Bolaji Idowu, founder and lead pastor of Harvesters International Christian Centre (HICC) was addressing an issue in church about financial responsibilities of men to women in relationships. This must have hit a sour side of some women who believe that men are responsible for providing them with some level of financial relief and they responded "men dey".


The slogan "men dey" came from afrobeatz, it is a slogan that simply says "if this man or men are not willing to do something or cannot do something, there are men that are able and willing to". Basically when Pastor Bolaji told his congregation that they shouldn't expect men to give them money gifts or buy them iphones, they responded with if some men are not able to afford these things, there are men who will and the pastor's response? He removed his shoes, dusted then and said "do you know what the Bible says about when you reach somewhere and they don't accept your message, you dust your shoes" the he ended with "he that has ears, let him hear".

The action the respectable pastor did was actually a commandment of Jesus which are recorded in Matthew 10:14, Mark 6:11, Luke 9:5 and it was applied in Acts 18:6

Lets look at these verses. Note that this is a direct commandmend of Jesus

Matthew 10:14


Mark 6:11


‭Luke 9:5


‭Acts 18:6 ‬


Note that Pastor Bolaji while performing this action of taking off his shoes to dust then also made reference to this verse which he might have join as a joke and not out of anger but, he is their pastor and if you ask me, he somewhat cursed them or gave then up for judgment in that case.

While I do not hold brief for the congregation, I find their action nauseating and needless as to directly say that to the pastor means you are telling him he doesn't know what he is saying.

My question is Pastor Bolaji since cannot claim ignorance of his action, should he be allowed according to Christianity to curse his flock just because they refuse to listen to him? He could have prayed for insight and soft heart but that action he did, fell short a little

Firstly, the pastor has no ordinance to tell his congregants how to spend their money. Even offerings and tithes are between members and GOD. Pastors are only advisers. But going beyond scriptural responsibilities and telling members how to spend their free money is outside of his calling. If a man wants to assume financial responsibility 100% for his partner, it is not his dan business. And the member has not sinned by doing so. Neither has the woman sin for expecting so.

Now, taking off his shoes in reference to JESUS command is a clear example this pastor is misguided. The command to take of shoes is when there is refusal to accept the good news (message of salvation, of JESUS being the CHRIST). This has nothing to do with individual financial preferences.

When humans find themselves in authority, be him a pastor, boss, MD, just any position of authority, the propensity to abuse power either by ignorance or design is almost inevitable.

This pastor should focus on the gospel of salvation and get the hell out of his members individual preference in certain matters that are actually GOD's deliberate design showcasing our individuality

Hemanwel:
My own is that, that was a social gathering and not a church service.

Would any lady, whether gen A or gen Z, spew this kind of vulgar utterances before Adeboye, Kumuyi, or Dr. K. Olukoya??

Let any of them go to that kind of gathering. They will be shocked to their bones what Gen Z will do them. Let’s not even get to Gen A that are more ruthless. You think they give a damn that “oh he’s a man of God”? They air their minds one time.

Hemanwel:
My own is that, that was a social gathering and not a church service.

Would any lady, whether gen A or gen Z, spew this kind of vulgar utterances before Adeboye, Kumuyi, or Dr. K. Olukoya??

Indeed true....it just shows the level of spirituality of the church.

However being a youthful pastor, it's expected he atimes "plays" with his church members.

But a serious minded pastor wouldn't do what he did.

Juoflife1:
The pastor has anger issues. What he did is unacceptable. He cursed them

How did he curse them? Because he told them it's not realistic to expect a 26 years old man to buy them Range Rover? Should he have lied to them that with faith, they will find men that will grand all their financial demands? Those ladies are highly delusional and disrespectful. Some of their fathers cannot afford ordinary bicycle o, yet they put unrealistic financial expectations on young men. Besides, who is stopping them from buying their own range rover? Must man buy it for them?

samilo88:
The pastor have failed the congregation. He has not discipled them well hence the bubble bursted on that occasion. When u keep emphasizing prosperity and leave doctrine u get a canal congregation

Discipline them into silence you mean?

You never can tell what is in the belly until you give them an opportunity to talk but if you think you want people to nod their head in agreement and then you take that as positive feedback, you will be shocked!

The youths might not be this vocal in certain church circles but it doesn't take away the fact that it's there and it's better you hear it however it is dished and correct it.

As much as this irks a nerve in me, this is feedback-an opportunity to begin to build systems to address it at its core!

If anybody thinks this is a "Pastor Bolaji church problem", think again...look around you! This is a societal problem. This is a wake up call.

At the end "let he that hath an ear hear what the spirit of the lord is saying"

Aside:
I have sat in a class of children between the age of 9 to 16 in church and heard all manner of things that it got the pastors wife crying.

They had an open mic session where you were free to express yourself on issues that bothered you and you heard all sorts-from issues of self esteem (my dad still bathes me as a 12 year old menstruating girl), to molestation that parents were not aware of, to bullying, to contemplating suicide, to relationship pressure!

If they didn't talk, how many will we know?

Let everyone in their own small corner pick the baton to address this-parents raise your boys and girls to always think industry not this entitlement mindset!

Take a good look at the the women there, if your wife is there or you are thinking of marrying anyone from that congregtion, just no that you are marrying someone that will walk out on you in the future...

All is cruise

My girlfriend and I discussed this matter yesterday, and I mentioned the very heavy spiritual implication of what Pastor Bolaji did beyond the lighthearted joke the ladies in the congregation thought it to be.

Condemning his own congregation to imminent and certain destruction in today's Christianity, to me, is extreme and uncalled for. The ladies are not people you're ministering to for the first time but the Biblical instruction to dust your shoes is for new territories where they refuse to welcome you and listen to the message you bring.

How is it a menace if there are several unmarried women in the society? U should be more worried about losing ur life and belongings to your fellow men who carry out almost all social vices in the society.

tiswell:
No,he doesn't have to curse them.
The high rate of eligible spinsters already is a menace to the society.


What other curse would be be more realistic

Nobody is perfect brr!!
Given the same real-time circumstance, while standing before a congregation, his actions proves he is not God(not perfect), and for pastor Bolaji himself, he needs to focus on how to assist (majority of)the congregation in making heaven.

This is 2026, leave scam religion. those useless places u mentioned never existed

rexbuton:
Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

Image123:
The pastor should see/recognize that he's not taking his members anywhere close to God or heaven. It's feedback. He has a lot of work to do as their shepherd. It's another matter if he himself knows what he's doing or where he's going. If it's business or earthly hustle, he's nothing to worry about. But if it's following Jesus, hmmm.

Both he and the members are just catching cruise; there is nothing special about it.

Do they really talk about God or the fear of the Lord? Even the so-called programme going on at that moment does not reflect or portray God's love.

No Bible passage was referenced. Please listen to the message again. It is just a form of motivational speaking and relationship coaching.

The world is gradually being taken over.

May the Lord help us all. 🙏

You're the one seeing it as a curse. You should know people always know the truth and expected you to give them lies so that when it backfires they will then raise accusing fingers at you. Pastor Bolaji is a renowned man of God that members are likely to follow diligently so in this case he said the truth and backed it with God's principles concerning it.
No cause for alarm

What values have Adeboye, Kumuyi and co added to the society asides from syphoning tithes and offerings of their gullible folks? U better abandon scam religion in 2026 ooo

Hemanwel:
My own is that, that was a social gathering and not a church service.

Would any lady, whether gen A or gen Z, spew this kind of vulgar utterances before Adeboye, Kumuyi, or Dr. K. Olukoya??

I understand that the women are delusional because most Nigerians are poor. However, only fo.olish women cry about not having a man. Having a man in the life of a woman increases her stress, especially if the man is not wealthy. Its better for a woman to remain single for life than marry a man who isn't wealthy. Singleness for both gender is not a crime

jericco1:
He has done his job.. they will come back crying very soon

I never see a being that is as useless as the God of heaven. Even the most useless human being is better than the useless God way our colonisers lie say he dey for heaven

Image123:
The pastor should see/recognize that he's not taking his members anywhere close to God or heaven. It's feedback. He has a lot of work to do as their shepherd. It's another matter if he himself knows what he's doing or where he's going. If it's business or earthly hustle, he's nothing to worry about. But if it's following Jesus, hmmm.

Man way dey earn 350k and woman way dey earn 150k have no business getting married. They should hustle to survive in this life and later join their ancestors. Otherwise, na so them go bring children into poverty and those children will lay curses on them. Scam religion is the reason why people see the need to give birth

Gbadugbakun:
‎One thing I believe men need to understand is that being in a relationship does not automatically make you financially responsible for another adult. Unfortunately, the culture of expecting men to provide everything, regardless of their financial capacity or the woman's own earning potential, is encouraged by men who fail to establish healthy boundaries.

‎Imagine a man earning 350k monthly who willingly gives his girlfriend 150k every month. That leaves him with 200k to cover his own needs, bills, savings, family responsibilities, and emergencies.
‎
‎Yet, tomorrow, the same woman would turn around and ask, What have you even done for me? simply because he refuses to continue spending beyond his means.
‎
‎I had the privilege of attending university, and from my experience, men and women pursue education, complete NYSC, compete for jobs, and build careers. In many workplaces, women are not only employed but also occupy significant leadership positions.
‎
‎Of course, opportunities are not always equal in every industry or circumstance. However, the reality is that many women have the capacity to earn, build businesses, develop careers, and become financially independent.
‎
‎So, if two adults are capable of working and earning an income, why should one person automatically bear the entire financial responsibility simply because they are the man in the relationship?
‎
‎Men need to understand that being a gentleman does not mean abandoning common sense. You can be loving, generous, supportive, and responsible without allowing someone to take your kindness for granted. There is a difference between willingly supporting your partner and being made to feel inadequate whenever you cannot provide money.
‎
‎Men, stop confusing financial sacrifice with proof of love. You do not have to impoverish yourself to prove that you care.
‎
‎Pay attention to her attitude towards money. Does she have personal goals? Is she making any effort to improve her circumstances? Does she appreciate your sacrifices? Can she contribute according to her ability, or does she believe your income automatically belongs to both of you while hers remains exclusively hers?
‎
‎These are important questions to ask before committing to a future together.

pgirl123:
I understand that the women are delusional because most Nigerians are poor. However, only fo.olish women cry about not having a man. Having a man in the life of a woman increases her stress, especially if the man is not wealthy. Its better for a woman to remain single for life than marry a man who isn't wealthy. Singleness for both gender is not a crime

Yeah right
And wealth for both gender is not a crime

Na gullible religious folks dey reason say any power dey inside the spoken words of pastors (all religious leaders are scammers). They no fit even cure headache talkless of their curses working. Na mu.mu dey practice scam religion in 2026

Juoflife1:
The pastor has anger issues. What he did is unacceptable. He cursed them

You should get some fun in your life. Over-seriousness dey worry you. See where you took it.