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Spy360:
Your last line is where you get it wrong.

Havertz's primary role is to create and not to convert chances. He is a false 9. Just as we saw Kane yesterday, he played as a false 9 and he didn't score a hatrick.

Gyokeres on the other hand plays as a traditional 9. It's his role to score goals.

The reason Arteta prefers Havertz is not because he is more likely to score but because he adds more to the overall performance of the team.

Well, that's ur pesonal opinion.

Less than 2 weeks ago Arteta was getting the stick from a section of Arsenal fans because he said the following about Havertz "Yes, I think he has the ability to be a top-class striker. Yes, I think he has it.' "That's why he's playing there as well, and that's why we signed him

But here you are telling me Havertz's role primary role is to create chances. Na u give am the primary role ?

BlueRayDick:
Well, that's ur pesonal opinion.

Less than 2 weeks ago Arteta was getting the stick from a section of Arsenal fans because he said the following about Havertz "Yes, I think he has the ability to be a top-class striker. Yes, I think he has it.' "That's why he's playing there as well, and that's why we signed him

But here you are telling me Havertz's role primary role is to create chances. Na u give am the primary role ?

I like as you took what Arteta said hook, line and sinker. 😂

I gave example with Kane playing as a false 9. It's very hard to be the main goal threat from that role. That doesn't take away the fact that he can score goals or that Havertz has the potentials to be a top striker

mostob:
The earlier some fans realize that a traditional striker doesn't suit the Arsenal system, the better. A review of the recent transfer speculations should indicate this. Kroupi, Alvarez, Rogers. Players who can comfortably occupy different positions on the pitch.

Arteta said he is building a team that can adjust to different playing patterns according to the opposition they face.

Kane was Bayern Striker yesterday. He used to be a poacher, a fox in the box type. And now he has evolved. Baba even took a goal kick yesterday and Davies almost scored. See the way he was roaming about. Look at that pass to Davies for the equalizer.

It's why Havertz will continually start ahead of Gyokeres.
We played a lot of long balls yesterday. He was mostly at the receiving end. Something Gyokeres is not good at.

Spot on. 🔥


To keep a traditional striker is to have wingers that are dribblers. Players who can take up two men at a time.

Our wingers are goal scorers not creators. The creative areas are in AM and CF where we have Odegaard and Havertz.

BlueRayDick:
Is it a problem that a striker came to join the defence when we lost the ball?

You should be praising Odegaard's ingenuity for picking out Eze who obviously didn't join the team in defending in the sequence of play before the goal. I hope you know Odegaard who played the pass was farther from Havertz and even closer to our 18 yard box when he picked out that pass.

When he joins doesn't it help the attack? Thank God Kane is a direct example of what this is all about. Kane drops deep, is in the box when you need him. Kane does EVERYTHING Arteta expects of Havertz and is still a threat.


Not Kai!!!

After almost 10 seasons in EPL and its an Arsenal fan that's expecting Kai to outdo all he's done aspa he has potential to be a top striker while the main defense to him is he's not one, he's a false 9. But an actual 9 does both the true and false 9 way better than him on the very same pitch aka Harry Kane.


Isokay. Na potential we go chop.

Spy360:
I like as you took what Arteta said hook, line and sinker. 😂

I gave example with Kane playing as a false 9. It's very hard to be the main goal threat from that role. That doesn't take away the fact that he can score goals or that Havertz has the potentials to be a top striker

I no get time for ur unending back and forth . Harry Kane was Bayern’s highest goal scorer last season and he’s on course to be for this season as well . He’s primarily a striker before anything else .

A manager tells the whole world Havertz is his striker , u sit down dey look for who will follow u argue what Havertz’s primary role is . Shebi u sabi pass Arteta wey no call am “ The creator in the team “ .

daveP:
When he joins doesn't it help the attack? Thank God Kane is a direct example of what this is all about. Kane drops deep, is in the box when you need him. Kane does EVERYTHING Arteta expects of Havertz and is still a threat.


Not Kai!!!

I’m not arguing whether Havertz is a threat or not with you .

You are the one lamenting why Havertz was so deep in our half in the build up to Eze’s goal . All I’ve done is tell you that it’s actually not a big deal cos Havertz came back to join the community defence we do when we are off the ball .

You can watch the video clips again , Odegaard the creator lobbed the pass from his position which is very close to our CBs. We just gained the ball after a successful community defence , you can’t fault Havertz for being in that position at that time for doing what the coach expects him to do .

iamoyindamola:
Calafiori is too chaotic, nowadays I stop worrying when I see him upfront no be me he go give heart attack
If he can work on his offside positioning he will score loads because he's a better finisher compare to our CF

https://x.com/UPYOURARSENAL04/status/2113042788392550833

Yeah you’re right, he should work on his positioning cause man got lots of banger goals in his legs to unleash

https://x.com/i/status/2112989946789126322

One name.. Kim Min Jae

daveP:
After almost 10 seasons in EPL and its an Arsenal fan that's expecting Kai to outdo all he's done aspa he has potential to be a top striker while the main defense to him is he's not one, he's a false 9. But an actual 9 does both the true and false 9 way better than him on the very same pitch aka Harry Kane.


Isokay. Na potential we go chop.

This isn't any different from when Arteta forced Havertz down our throat after he moved him from the midfield where he failed, to attack. Arteta played him everywhere in the middle and he flopped before going forward.

This same Arteta preached patience with Havertz and asked for the fans to show him more love and stop with the booing and criticism, culminating in Arteta showing him to the fans after the Brentford game in 2023, do you remember?

Why can't he show 40% of that same patience, dedication and continued work with Gyokores? The favoritism is obvious, especially when Havertz isn't performing despite the amount of minutes he has enjoyed. Yesterday, an analyst on CBS said, Gyokores had a good game yesterday, provided an assist but somehow nobody, including the coach talked about it, rather it was about Havertz but if he was poor, it would be the loudest.

I said it last week, Arteta will continue to start Havertz, so he can get that extension. Before Saka's extension this year, Havertz was our highest earner for 3 years. I mean, my head coach is still talking about "ability" for Havertz by this time?

Gyokores should move on in January because it is pointless at this point. By no means am I saying he doesn't have his own issue but to exclude Arteta from it? Naaaaa.

BlueRayDick:
I’m not arguing whether Havertz is a threat or not with you .

You are the one lamenting why Havertz was so deep in our half in the build up to Eze’s goal . All I’ve done is tell you that it’s actually not a big deal cos Havertz came back to join the community defence we do when we are off the ball .

You can watch the video clips again , Odegaard the creator lobbed the pass from his position which is very close to our CBs. We just gained the ball after a successful community defence , you can’t fault Havertz for being in that position at that time for doing what the coach expects him to do .

All these yeye agenda eh.
Tomorrow, if Arteta starts Gyokeres and he played poorly as usual, they will still come out to say the coach didn't set up the team to favour him. One thing about baseless agenda is you keep twisting and turning, trying to justify what shouldn't be a discussion.

Congratulations to jurrien timber family
I hope he can now concentrate because he caused the 2 goals we conceded yesterday

Guys, please let's stop blaming Arteta for gyokores form. He is s professional. He needs to rediscover his form as quickly as possible. That is not to say harvert is better than him. He is a proper 9 and he shouldn't give room for Arteta to continue playing harvert ahead of him.

mine3112:
Guys, please let's stop blaming Arteta for gyokores form. He is s professional. He needs to rediscover his form as quickly as possible. That is not to say harvert is better than him. He is a proper 9 and he shouldn't give room for Arteta to continue playing harvert ahead of him.

GBAokores?

Kai and Gyokeres back and forth argument among Arsenal fans , I enjoy watching and reading each section come alive once their stan and fave plays well cus agenda must flow. Gyokeres enter pitch gives assists we praise am and forget all the rubbish he played last week against lille till kai dem came on and assisted too.

Since rival clubs hardly banter us, we created something for ourself to drag along every mstchday.

Kai had to be forced down some fans throat by Arteta before they started showing him love, while gyokeres came with much fans love before he kicked his first ball. So i understand how most feel when he doesn't play, though all they also do when he starts is also complain but with low voices and less cussing.

Dave talking about kai's position during the Eze goal, please check who he also dragged out of position and made it impossible to cover for the other cb when Eze made the run and scored.

I really don't understand why the gyokeres talk is so heavy after that single assist as if that is the only minutes he has seen since the internationals. Why don't we bring up his overall game play since the internationals if we really want to know how good or bad he is.

At this point, i don't care who plays amongst them, I just want us to win. For me, Arteta have earned the right to start whoever he wants. The same frustration I get when watching kai is also the frustration I get when watching gyokeres. Rach has his own way of making you wish they're gone. So all of them should getout or focus on whatever rubbish or beautiful play they can offer.

Omo, early morning and I don dey type plenty. Una good morning and happy weekend.

iamoyindamola:

Saka, Rice and Odegaard have some good numbers. I wish Madueke can replicate the form he had in the first half half of the last season when Saka was injured, but this time with goals and assists.

Roland17:
This isn't any different from when Arteta forced Havertz down our throat after he moved him from the midfield where he failed, to attack. Arteta played him everywhere in the middle and he flopped before going forward.

This same Arteta preached patience with Havertz and asked for the fans to show him more love and stop with the booing and criticism, culminating in Arteta showing him to the fans after the Brentford game in 2023, do you remember?

Why can't he show 40% of that same patience, dedication and continued work with Gyokores? The favoritism is obvious, especially when Havertz isn't performing despite the amount of minutes he has enjoyed. Yesterday, an analyst on CBS said, Gyokores had a good game yesterday, provided an assist but somehow nobody, including the coach talked about it, rather it was about Havertz but if he was poor, it would be the loudest.

I said it last week, Arteta will continue to start Havertz, so he can get that extension. Before Saka's extension this year, Havertz was our highest earner for 3 years. I mean, my head coach is still talking about "ability" for Havertz by this time?

Gyokores should move on in January because it is pointless at this point. By no means am I saying he doesn't have his own issue but to exclude Arteta from it? Naaaaa.

It's clear that Havertz and Gyokeres share the minutes. It's even easier to make some impact if you're coming from the bench. Where is the favouritism?

Gyokeres will get up to 45mins in our next match. The question is what will he do with it? What has he done with the 40mins he gets per match to deserve to start?


We can keep lamenting about why he should start but we haven't given any tangible reasons.

If he comes from the bench and consistently scores or makes an assist then we have a point. But as it stands now, Havertz has more G/A than him.

mostob:
All these yeye agenda eh.
Tomorrow, if Arteta starts Gyokeres and he played poorly as usual, they will still come out to say the coach didn't set up the team to favour him. One thing about baseless agenda is you keep twisting and turning, trying to justify what shouldn't be a discussion.

Last season they accused Saka and Odegaard for refusing to pass to Gyokeres. That Eze and Madueke gives him more passes.

This season they accused Arteta for not playing him with Saka and Odegaard. That whenever he plays him it's with Eze and Madueke.

Ike gwuru 😂

Spy360:
It's clear that Havertz and Gyokeres share the minutes. It's even easier to make some impact if you're coming from the bench. Where is the favouritism?

Gyokeres will get up to 45mins in our next match. The question is what will he do with it? What has he done with the 40mins he gets per match to deserve to start?


We can keep lamenting about why he should start but we haven't given any tangible reasons.

If he comes from the bench and consistently scores or makes an assist then we have a point. But as it stands now, Havertz has more G/A than him.

Lets talk facts here!

2026/2017 Minutes Played in the EPL

Havertz- 567 minutes
Gyokores- 84 minutes

After 7 games, Gyokores has not even played an equivalent of 1 full EPL game (90 minutes), while Havertz has played 483 minutes more!

I mean, this doesn't need much na! Where is the sharing here?

Roland17:
Lets talk facts here!

2026/2017 Minutes Played in the EPL

Havertz- 567 minutes
Gyokores- 84 minutes

After 7 games, Gyokores has not even played an equivalent of 1 full EPL game (90 minutes), while Havertz has played 483 minutes more!

I mean, this doesn't need much na! Where is the sharing here?

Off course Havertz will get more time than Gyokeres because he has performed better.
But then you're focusing on just the PL.

In the CL Gyokeres started two games. He has more minutes there, what has he done?


Why are we quick to make excuses for him?

We didn't make these excuses for Havertz last season when he didn't play because of injuries.

Spy360:
Off course Havertz will get more time than Gyokeres because he has performed better.
But then you're focusing on just the PL.

In the CL Gyokeres started two games. He has more minutes there, what has he done?


Why are we quick to make excuses for him?

We didn't make these excuses for Havertz last season when he didn't play because of injuries.

You have conformed your thought to see them as excuses when there is an argument for Gyokores and you are not going to see it otherwise. Neither will you admit Arteta needs to be better in managing this situation.

You can't play a professional player a paltry 84 minutes in 7 games and then ask him to go do magic in the UCL as a starter, it doesn't work that way. Gyokores and Havertz have both played 3 games in the UCL with the former having 50 minutes more, both have 1 assist but you can't compare the disparity to what is going on in the EPL.

How is he supposed to even build any kind of chemistry with his team mates, lets not talk about tactics sef? Havertz has been poor and the argument about all round play has fallen flat, yet we can't give Gyokores 40% of the type of support Havertz has received.

Havertz has played 7 games this season and has just 2 goal with 0 assists! Yet, you guys speak like he is on 5-7 goals. If 2 goals isn't poor enough for you to be fair with his competition then I don't know what is..

Like I said, I think he should move on in January.

Roland17:
You have conformed your thought to see them as excuses when there is an argument for Gyokores and you are not going to see it otherwise. Neither will you admit Arteta needs to be better in managing this situation.

You can't play a professional player a paltry 84 minutes in 7 games and then ask him to go do magic in the UCL as a starter, it doesn't work that way. Gyokores and Havertz have both played 3 games in the UCL with the former having 50 minutes more, both have 1 assist but you can't compare the disparity to what is going on in the EPL.

How is he supposed to even build any kind of chemistry with his team mates, lets not talk about tactics sef? Havertz has been poor and the argument about all round play has fallen flat, yet we can't give Gyokores 40% of the type of support Havertz has received.

Havertz has played 7 games this season and has just 2 goal with 0 assists! Yet, you guys speak like he is on 5-7 goals. If 2 goals isn't poor enough for you to be fair with his competition then I don't know what is..

Like I said, I think he should move on in January.

It's the lack of objectivity for me. You are guilty of the same bias you accuse me of in my analysis. See the bolded.

It's the same way I was defending Havertz last season when he was injured and you thought Gyokeres 14 PL goals makes him a legend.

Gyokeres played 90 mins against Ipswich where we scored 4 goals and he didn't contribute as much as shot talkless of goals.

Havertz 2 PL goals is poor but Gyokeres no goals in all competitions is Arteta's fault.

Let's keep making excuses.

Jesus went to Barcelona and started scoring goals. So VG can equally join Real Madrid.

Gyokeres starts against Everton.

COYG!!!

Why did he start merino in midfield again, I will take zubi instead

iamoyindamola:
Why did he start merino in midfield again, I will take zubi instead

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The reason is. Merino will act like 2nd striker when arsenal are dominating or controlling the game.
You know he has a penchant for clutch goals.

Lush100:
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The reason is. Merino will act like 2nd striker when arsenal are dominating or controlling the game.
You know he has a penchant for clutch goals.

I hope that's why because I don't want to see that guy in midfield
Btw I noticed he performs well coming in as sub

iamoyindamola:
I hope that's why because I don't want to see that guy in midfield
Btw I noticed he performs well coming in as sub

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Everton are more defensive.i guess.

I'm.just imaging why Arteta can't give rice rest.
He trust rice so much.

Guess Rice will skip EFL games.

Lush100:
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Everton are more defensive.i guess.

I'm.just imaging why Arteta can't give rice rest.
He trust rice so much.

Guess Rice will skip EFL games.

Of course zubi will start EFL

With City dropping points, winning this game is non-negotiable.

Spuds are always shiiit
They just lost to our women who just recorded their second win of the season