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Re: Why Is Africa Less Technologically Advanced Than European Countries? by momoyama: 1:00am On Jul 31, 2014
ednut1: show me a black nation dat is advanced in africa or Caribbean. dnt mention SA cos na white build am. the blackman is naturally backward hahahahaha
You are obviously a very misinformed person, who has never been to the Caribbean. The Caribbean has many advanced black countries. I am from the Bahahas, which has a human development index rating of .794 (High Human Development) per capita income that is solidly placed among first world ($31,000 at PPP), lower poverty rate (9%) than the the USA (16%) or UK (24%). In my country, we do not require visas to travel to any single first world country (USA, UK, Schengen, Japan, Switzerland, Canada, Scandinavia etc.) and nobody would ever dream of migrating from here to work elsewhere.

The same is true (to a slightly lesser degree) of most English speaking Caribbean countries (Barbados, Trinidad, Antigua etc.). In fact, in the Caribbean, ONLY Haiti is classified a low income, low human development country in the region. Even Jamaica, the poorest and least advanced of the English speaking Caribbean, is classified as middle income.

Please do not extend your racial inferiority complex across the atlantic to the Caribbean.
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Re: Why Is Africa Less Technologically Advanced Than European Countries? by acorntree(op): 7:32am On Jul 31, 2014
Blackvampire: Seriously this op is very stupid i dont blame you a t all big fool.. Self ha ting negro
why the hatred, I've stated facts and if ure not in support of this why not move ahead. The thread is not for everyone to comment
Re: Why Is Africa Less Technologically Advanced Than European Countries? by wirinet(m): 8:07am On Jul 31, 2014
momoyama: You are obviously a very misinformed person, who has never been to the Caribbean. The Caribbean has many advanced black countries. I am from the Bahahas, which has a human development index rating of .794 (High Human Development) per capita income that is solidly placed among first world ($31,000 at PPP), lower poverty rate (9%) than the the USA (16%) or UK (24%). In my country, we do not require visas to travel to any single first world country (USA, UK, Schengen, Japan, Switzerland, Canada, Scandinavia etc.) and nobody would ever dream of migrating from here to work elsewhere.

The same is true (to a slightly lesser degree) of most English speaking Caribbean countries (Barbados, Trinidad, Antigua etc.). In fact, in the Caribbean, ONLY Haiti is classified a low income, low human development country in the region. Even Jamaica, the poorest and least advanced of the English speaking Caribbean, is classified as middle income.

Please do not extend your racial inferiority complex across the atlantic to the Caribbean.
You will be surprised Nigerians ( the educated elites and the educated middle class) are one of the most enlightened people on the planet. They are known to travel to every corner of the globe. So when we talk we know what we are saying.
Caribbeans have advanced countries? That is the joke of the century. Please tell me what classifies any caribbean nation as an advanced country? Is is technology, military, economics? What has any carribean country contributed to the world in terms of science, technology, arts, architecture, literature, anything? Oh, you people are advanced in beauty peagents.

The caribbeans are just the play ground for the US. You whole economy depends of tourism as a result of good climate and exotic beaches. It is your tiny population that gives you people the illusion of high human development index.

Please read the heading of this thread again and answer the question"Why Is Africa Less Technologically Advanced Than European Countries" including other nations with predominantly diasporian African populations.
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Re: Why Is Africa Less Technologically Advanced Than European Countries? by momoyama: 12:38pm On Jul 31, 2014
wirinet: You will be surprised Nigerians ( the educated elites and the educated middle class) are one of the most enlightened people on the planet. They are known to travel to every corner of the globe. So when we talk we know what we are saying.
Caribbeans have advanced countries? That is the joke of the century. Please tell me what classifies any caribbean nation as an advanced country? Is is technology, military, economics? What has any carribean country contributed to the world in terms of science, technology, arts, architecture, literature, anything? Oh, you people are advanced in beauty peagents.

The caribbeans are just the play ground for the US. You whole economy depends of tourism as a result of good climate and exotic beaches. It is your tiny population that gives you people the illusion of high human development index.

Please read the heading of this thread again and answer the question"Why Is Africa Less Technologically Advanced Than European Countries" including other nations with predominantly diasporian African populations.
Your priorities and values would be comical if they were not so tragic. The Caribbean is made up of mostly small societies. In my case, my country has a population of about 350,000. The largest Anglophone Caribbean country, Jamaica, has under 3 million. Obviously such small population centres cannot be expected to impact the world profoundly in terms of military, diplomatic or economic power, just the same as Iceland, Malta or a small city in the USA or Germany would not impact the world much. Because of SCALE.

But the measure of SUCCESS of our countries is in how well run they are in their ability to provide a high standard of living for their population in health, education, wealth per capita and access to things like broadband connectivity. Equally important is to ensure such a standard of living that the country becomes a DESTINATION rather than a SOURCE of migration and that corruption and mismanagement are kept at low levels. That is the measure of success of those running a country, not some childish obsession with impacting the world or being noticed. I fear it is the latter kind of thinking that led many African leaders in the independence era to engage in huge show projects as a measure of success, rather than focusing on delivering good governance and socio-economic benefits to their whole populations.

The thread may indeed have begun by talking about the relative underdevelopment of Africa compared to Europe (which is a complex matter), but it quickly descended into racist nonsense about black societies (specifically including the Caribbean) being 'backward' and failing in terms of education and development. That is simply untrue and needed to be responded to, which I did. Is any of this getting through?
Re: Why Is Africa Less Technologically Advanced Than European Countries? by momoyama: 12:40pm On Jul 31, 2014
wirinet: You will be surprised Nigerians ( the educated elites and the educated middle class) are one of the most enlightened people on the planet. They are known to travel to every corner of the globe. So when we talk we know what we are saying.
Caribbeans have advanced countries? That is the joke of the century. Please tell me what classifies any caribbean nation as an advanced country? Is is technology, military, economics? What has any carribean country contributed to the world in terms of science, technology, arts, architecture, literature, anything? Oh, you people are advanced in beauty peagents.

The caribbeans are just the play ground for the US. You whole economy depends of tourism as a result of good climate and exotic beaches. It is your tiny population that gives you people the illusion of high human development index.

Please read the heading of this thread again and answer the question"Why Is Africa Less Technologically Advanced Than European Countries" including other nations with predominantly diasporian African populations.
Your priorities and values would be comical if they were not so tragic. The Caribbean is made up of mostly small societies. In my case, my country has a population of about 350,000. The largest Anglophone Caribbean country, Jamaica, has under 3 million. Obviously such small population centres cannot be expected to impact the world profoundly in terms of military, diplomatic or economic power, just the same as Iceland, Malta or a small city in the USA or Germany would not impact the world much. Because of SCALE.

But the measure of SUCCESS of our countries is in how well run they are in their ability to provide a high standard of living for their population in health, education, wealth per capita and access to things like broadband connectivity. Equally important is to ensure such a standard of living that the country becomes a DESTINATION rather than a SOURCE of migration and that corruption and mismanagement are kept at low levels. That is the measure of success of those running a country, not some childish obsession with impacting the world or being noticed. I fear it is the latter kind of thinking that led many African leaders in the independence era to engage in huge show projects as a measure of success, rather than focusing on delivering good governance and socio-economic benefits to their whole populations.

The thread may indeed have begun by talking about the relative technological underdevelopment of Africa compared to Europe (which is a complex matter), but it quickly descended into racist nonsense about black societies (specifically including the Caribbean) being 'backward' and failing in terms of education and development. That is simply untrue and needed to be responded to, which I did. Is any of this getting through?
Re: Why Is Africa Less Technologically Advanced Than European Countries? by wirinet(m): 1:31pm On Jul 31, 2014
momoyama: Your priorities and values would be comical if they were not so tragic. The Caribbean is made up of mostly small societies. In my case, my country has a population of about 350,000. The largest Anglophone Caribbean country, Jamaica, has under 3 million. Obviously such small population centres cannot be expected to impact the world profoundly in terms of military, diplomatic or economic power, just the same as Iceland, Malta or a small city in the USA or Germany would not impact the world much. Because of SCALE.
But the measure of SUCCESS of our countries is in how well run they are in their ability to provide a high standard of living for their population in health, education, wealth per capita and access to things like broadband connectivity. Equally important is to ensure such a standard of living that the country becomes a DESTINATION rather than a SOURCE of migration and that corruption and mismanagement are kept at low levels. That is the measure of success of those running a country, not some childish obsession with impacting the world or being noticed. I fear it is the latter kind of thinking that led many African leaders in the independence era to engage in huge show projects as a measure of success, rather than focusing on delivering good governance and socio-economic benefits to their whole populations.
The thread may indeed have begun by talking about the relative technological underdevelopment of Africa compared to Europe (which is a complex matter), but it quickly descended into racist nonsense about black societies (specifically including the Caribbean) being 'backward' and failing in terms of education and development. That is simply untrue and needed to be responded to, which I did. Is any of this getting through?
I am at loss as to which of my priorities is tragic. First, i never stated what my priorities are much less my values, we are only taking a critical look at the seeming backwardness of black african societies and maybe we, as a race can nake corrections and catch up with with rest of the world.

I beg to disagree with you on the issue of scale. Yes, a large population is very advantageous in terms of military, economic or diplomatic power, but size is not everything. Throughout history, you have relatively small populations outdoing their bigger and more populous neighbours. Japan was more technologically advanced that the much bigger China and was able to defeat China in World War II. Isreal has far smaller population and landmass that its Arab neighbours but is stronger Militarily, technologically and diplomatically. What does that tell you? It means the critical factor is in the value of the population and not neccessarily the size of the population. Japan achieved 100% literacy level before the turn of the 20th century. Isreal was founded by highly educated immigrants from Europe.
A 3million strong highly educated Jamaican population would be much stronger Militarily, technologically and diplomatically than a 200million mainly illiterate Nigerian population.

My regret is that black Africa is not taking the EDUCATION of its citizens seriously. We are more content with such things as entertainment, sports and tourism, which brings glory in the short term, but does nothing to advance the society. They only act as leisure and past time entertainment for the rich nations.

I am not obsessed with with being noticed, what i am obsessed is with developing our own solutions to our own problems and stop relying on other to do our thinking for us. Today, the black man is too dependent on West and the Asian for everything.
Re: Why Is Africa Less Technologically Advanced Than European Countries? by obeski13(m): 1:50pm On Jul 31, 2014
Excellent writeup.thank u for d wonderful comment
Re: Why Is Africa Less Technologically Advanced Than European Countries? by KiKatanga: 2:02pm On Jul 31, 2014
Too much "God", not enough knowledge.

Because Africans spend all of their time praying this and cursing that, they've realised how much of a nation's destiny is shaped by the mindset, aspirations and direction of it people.

A common theme would be corruption, frequently those who rise to political power use religion as a smoke screen: they wear the religious dress, they use the religious words and they enact religious policies to distract the poorly educated citizenry, but at the same time, they use the support from pretending to believe the fairy stories to discretely enrich themselves, their families and foreign backers.

Put down the Bibles, pick up a text book, stop tithing. If you must truly believe in God, hold that belief in your heart and use your head to improve your life and your country.
Re: Why Is Africa Less Technologically Advanced Than European Countries? by momoyama: 4:51pm On Jul 31, 2014
wirinet: I am at loss as to which of my priorities is tragic. First, i never stated what my priorities are much less my values, we are only taking a critical look at the seeming backwardness of black african societies and maybe we, as a race can nake corrections and catch up with with rest of the world.

I beg to disagree with you on the issue of scale. Yes, a large population is very advantageous in terms of military, economic or diplomatic power, but size is not everything. Throughout history, you have relatively small populations outdoing their bigger and more populous neighbours. Japan was more technologically advanced that the much bigger China and was able to defeat China in World War II. Isreal has far smaller population and landmass that its Arab neighbours but is stronger Militarily, technologically and diplomatically. What does that tell you? It means the critical factor is in the value of the population and not neccessarily the size of the population. Japan achieved 100% literacy level before the turn of the 20th century. Isreal was founded by highly educated immigrants from Europe.
A 3million strong highly educated Jamaican population would be much stronger Militarily, technologically and diplomatically than a 200million mainly illiterate Nigerian population.

My regret is that black Africa is not taking the EDUCATION of its citizens seriously. We are more content with such things as entertainment, sports and tourism, which brings glory in the short term, but does nothing to advance the society. They only act as leisure and past time entertainment for the rich nations.

I am not obsessed with with being noticed, what i am obsessed is with developing our own solutions to our own problems and stop relying on other to do our thinking for us. Today, the black man is too dependent on West and the Asian for everything.
I totally agree with your views on education and what responsible development can do for a country. Do not get me wrong on that. In fact, it is part of my point that Africa's relative underdevelopment has NOTHING to do with the innate qualities of black people, but rather historical circumstances that have led to institutions and policies that do not foster development. I do not presume to speak condescendingly of Africa's level of development, however, as I have visited the continent only once, and that was to South Africa. I am only speaking as a generality.

My sharp response was to a writer who said something to the effect that black people are intrinsically incapable of development, and then tried to drag in the whole black world, by lumping the Caribbean with Africa. That person is clearly very, very uninformed to say the least, because, as I pointed out, the Caribbean boasts several very successful (although small) black countries.

My point is that if a large black country like Nigeria had the literacy rate, educational attainment, infrastructure and social development of a tiny place like the Bahamas or Barbados, it would be functioning among the large, developed countries like Europe etc. So the level of human development we have in a small country like mine demonstrates that the racialised view of development is totally wrong.
Re: Why Is Africa Less Technologically Advanced Than European Countries? by momoyama: 5:00pm On Jul 31, 2014
wirinet: I am at loss as to which of my priorities is tragic. First, i never stated what my priorities are much less my values, we are only taking a critical look at the seeming backwardness of black african societies and maybe we, as a race can nake corrections and catch up with with rest of the world.

I beg to disagree with you on the issue of scale. Yes, a large population is very advantageous in terms of military, economic or diplomatic power, but size is not everything. Throughout history, you have relatively small populations outdoing their bigger and more populous neighbours. Japan was more technologically advanced that the much bigger China and was able to defeat China in World War II. Isreal has far smaller population and landmass that its Arab neighbours but is stronger Militarily, technologically and diplomatically. What does that tell you? It means the critical factor is in the value of the population and not neccessarily the size of the population. Japan achieved 100% literacy level before the turn of the 20th century. Isreal was founded by highly educated immigrants from Europe.
A 3million strong highly educated Jamaican population would be much stronger Militarily, technologically and diplomatically than a 200million mainly illiterate Nigerian population.

My regret is that black Africa is not taking the EDUCATION of its citizens seriously. We are more content with such things as entertainment, sports and tourism, which brings glory in the short term, but does nothing to advance the society. They only act as leisure and past time entertainment for the rich nations.

I am not obsessed with with being noticed, what i am obsessed is with developing our own solutions to our own problems and stop relying on other to do our thinking for us. Today, the black man is too dependent on West and the Asian for everything.
Incidentally, have you ever visited a black country outside of Africa? The Caribbean generally has an extremely high level of education and who on earth told you it is all 'tourism and sports'?? Wow, you must watch a lot of television, since that view has no place in the real world.

In my country, the dominant employment is in the professions (law, accounting, finance and especially banking). In addition, the maritime sector is huge, with a large logistics hub located at Freeport and a ship repair and transshipment sector. When you say 'tourism' you seem to think it means selling coconuts on the beach. In The Bahamas, we have the same market for tourism as Las Vegas or Orlando. So the resort business provides mostly professional jobs. I am pasting below a link to today's list of jobs featuring on the country's biggest employment website.

http://www.employbahamians.com/

It is fine for you to speak of West Africa, but when you start making sweeping statements about other black countries, you really do show that you are lacking in exposure to such countries.
Re: Why Is Africa Less Technologically Advanced Than European Countries? by KiKatanga: 5:09pm On Jul 31, 2014
momoyama: I totally agree with your views on education and what responsible development can do for a country. Do not get me wrong on that. In fact, it is part of my point that Africa's relative underdevelopment has NOTHING to do with the innate qualities of black people, but rather historical circumstances that have led to institutions and policies that do not foster development. I do not presume to speak condescendingly of Africa's level of development, however, as I have visited the continent only once, and that was to South Africa. I am only speaking as a generality.

My sharp response was to a writer who said something to the effect that black people are intrinsically incapable of development, and then tried to drag in the whole black world, by lumping the Caribbean with Africa. That person is clearly very, very uninformed to say the least, because, as I pointed out, the Caribbean boasts several very successful (although small) black countries.

My point is that if a large black country like Nigeria had the literacy rate, educational attainment, infrastructure and social development of a tiny place like the Bahamas or Barbados, it would be functioning among the large, developed countries like Europe etc. So the level of human development we have in a small country like mine demonstrates that the racialised view of development is totally wrong.
I agree with what you say but it's important to put Black majority countries like the Bahamas in context: their wealth is highly unequal, and their GDP is highly theoretical, with lots of wealth passing through the country, but comparatively little actually being spent their.

For technological advancement a society needs an economic resource base with a medium-to-long time horizon, they need skilled, innovative creative technologists, and they need good infrastructure.

Nigeria's biggest threat is the Fake Tertiary education system which hands out pieces of paper without student actually doing enough of a subject to work out if the actually have a genuine knack for it. I suspect, had they been taught properly, a huge proportion of those with bought Masters and Doctorate could have earned them, if they'd been well enough taught - and what's more, they'd actually be able and exceptionally willing to put that knowledge to use, in way that they can't as it stands.
Re: Why Is Africa Less Technologically Advanced Than European Countries? by momoyama: 7:27pm On Jul 31, 2014
KiKatanga: I agree with what you say but it's important to put Black majority countries like the Bahamas in context: their wealth is highly unequal, and their GDP is highly theoretical, with lots of wealth passing through the country, but comparatively little actually being spent their.

For technological advancement a society needs an economic resource base with a medium-to-long time horizon, they need skilled, innovative creative technologists, and they need good infrastructure.

Nigeria's biggest threat is the Fake Tertiary education system which hands out pieces of paper without student actually doing enough of a subject to work out if the actually have a genuine knack for it. I suspect, had they been taught properly, a huge proportion of those with bought Masters and Doctorate could have earned them, if they'd been well enough taught - and what's more, they'd actually be able and exceptionally willing to put that knowledge to use, in way that they can't as it stands.
Wow you are misinformed and unexposed! The wealth passes through and does not stay in the Bahamashuh Have you ever been here or are you just talking to sound smart?

The average hourly wage in the Bahamas is $14 per hour. That is US/Bahamian dollars. The percentage of people in poverty is lower than the US or UK, and in a tiny country of 350k people, tourist spending is about 2 billion dollars annually. As it is very hard for foreigners to get professional jobs in the Bahamas or to own stores or businesses, this means that the Bahamian professional class accounts for all of the management, administration etc. of the large resorts, banks, accounting firms etc.

It also means that locals own ALL of the retail chains, real estate, law firms and other professional businesses, which are reserved by law for Bahamians. The majority of foreigners living in the Bahamas are maids, cleaners and labourers who work in the homes of Bahamians (from Haiti, the Philippines, Colombia, Peru etc.) That is the vast bulk of work permits.

As for the masses of people in the Bahamas, they would laugh at you if you asked them if they want to go work in the UK or US or anywhere else. NOBODY immigrates from the Bahamas. Instead people immigrate TO the Bahamas in droves. That is why Bahamians do not require visas to go to any so called developed countries. Not even one!

So your expertise on the Bahamian economy and its supposed lack of benefit to the majority of Bahamians is simply laughable. Certainly most Bahamians would have a good laugh to hear it.
Re: Why Is Africa Less Technologically Advanced Than European Countries? by KiKatanga: 1:53pm On Aug 01, 2014
I was on an island of Abaco about 3 months ago. I met an awful lot of very wealthy people, and an awful lot of very poor people too. I live in London, and it was more beautiful than the UK, the weather was better, the food was better, but the poor were poorer. I just actually checked out the Wikipedia site, and for what it's worth, the Bahamian poverty level is actually higher than the UK's (And that's relative poverty, the UK's Average Hourly wage is around $23).

I LOVE The Bahamas frankly they are one of the most wonderful places I've ever been -- and they are definitely far wealthier than most the EU, but the average Bahamian is still far poorer than the average Briton.

My reference was to the Offshore Banking sector which inflates the Banking sector volumes but causes huge inflows and outflows but doesn't reflect directly in local economy (although it still produces the kind of jobs Nigeria can only dream of).

Don't get me wrong, if I checked my list of places to live, it'd be up there with Japan and Nice in the south of France it really is an amazing place -- waaaay above the UK, especially pound for pound: we have more money, but money can't buy the kind life you can live for free in the Bahamas.
Re: Why Is Africa Less Technologically Advanced Than European Countries? by momoyama: 6:06pm On Aug 01, 2014
You went to Abaco and from that you judge the wealth of the Bahamashuhhuh You have no idea how crazy that sounds!!

Firstly, the 'awful lot of very poor people' you saw in Abaco, what was their nationality?? For your information, about 25 percent of the population of Abaco are illegal Haitian migrants. You may have seen two slums called the Mud and Pigeon Pea right in the middle of Marsh Harbour. They are entirely populated by Haitian migrants and you will hear no English spoken there. What you DID NOT see was an 'awful lot' of poor Bahamians living in Abaco.

Again, your abililty to speak of the Bahamian economy is minimal as you have not even been to where the vast majority of Bahamians live (Nassau and Freeport). You speak of the banking sector. In fact, that accounts for only 20 percent of GDP and 5,000 employees. The vast majority of our economy is in the various subsectors of tourism, where wages are again, very high by any international standards.

For the record, I believe none of your assertions about who you say you are and where you say you have been. I am only extending the benefit of the doubt in order to correct the misconceptions. Your commentary seems like the researched and still misguided attempts of someone who has never left Lagos trying to defend his earlier indefensible commentary about a place he's never been.
Re: Why Is Africa Less Technologically Advanced Than European Countries? by KiKatanga: 6:14pm On Aug 01, 2014
momoyama: You went to Abaco and from that you judge the wealth of the Bahamashuhhuh You have no idea how crazy that sounds!!

Firstly, the 'awful lot of very poor people' you saw in Abaco, what was their nationality?? For your information, about 25 percent of the population of Abaco are illegal Haitian migrants. You may have seen two slums called the Mud and Pigeon Pea right in the middle of Marsh Harbour. They are entirely populated by Haitian migrants and you will hear no English spoken there. What you DID NOT see was an 'awful lot' of poor Bahamians living in Abaco.

Again, your abililty to speak of the Bahamian economy is minimal as you have not even been to where the vast majority of Bahamians live (Nassau and Freeport). You speak of the banking sector. In fact, that accounts for only 20 percent of GDP and 5,000 employees. The vast majority of our economy is in the various subsectors of tourism, where wages are again, very high by any international standards.

For the record, I believe none of your assertions about who you say you are and where you say you have been. I am only extending the benefit of the doubt in order to correct the misconceptions. Your commentary seems like the researched and still misguided attempts of someone who has never left Lagos trying to defend his earlier indefensible commentary about a place he's never been.
You're welcome to believe what you believe, but for the record I'm in London as we speak... And haven't been to Nigeria for about 3 years.
Re: Why Is Africa Less Technologically Advanced Than European Countries? by kel4soft: 6:15pm On Aug 01, 2014
ROSSIKE: So Africans have ''always'' had a more primitive way of life than ''first world countries''? So you think those ''first world countries'' have ALWAYS been ''first world'' do you? Tell me, what is inside that tiny head of yours? Have you ever read a history book in your entire life? Do you realise that for thousands of years Africans developed great civilizations, including mathematics, medicine and architecture, while Europeans in ''first world countries'' were in caves without speech or writing? How will you know any of this, when you are far too lazy to conduct basic research into the past? And then you come here to state preposterous garbage about what has ''always'' been the case? Anyway, we can blame it on free internet access which allows anyone suffering from colour complex to come online to flex their empty skull!
And your point? Why are we backward? simple question.
Re: Why Is Africa Less Technologically Advanced Than European Countries? by momoyama: 6:17pm On Aug 01, 2014
KiKatanga: I was on an island of Abaco about 3 months ago. I met an awful lot of very wealthy people, and an awful lot of very poor people too. I live in London, and it was more beautiful than the UK, the weather was better, the food was better, but the poor were poorer. I just actually checked out the Wikipedia site, and for what it's worth, the Bahamian poverty level is actually higher than the UK's (And that's relative poverty, the UK's Average Hourly wage is around $23).

I LOVE The Bahamas frankly they are one of the most wonderful places I've ever been -- and they are definitely far wealthier than most the EU, but the average Bahamian is still far poorer than the average Briton.

My reference was to the Offshore Banking sector which inflates the Banking sector volumes but causes huge inflows and outflows but doesn't reflect directly in local economy (although it still produces the kind of jobs Nigeria can only dream of).

Don't get me wrong, if I checked my list of places to live, it'd be up there with Japan and Nice in the south of France it really is an amazing place -- waaaay above the UK, especially pound for pound: we have more money, but money can't buy the kind life you can live for free in the Bahamas.
It is obvious that not have you not been to the Bahamas, but you have not been to the UK either.

If the average Bahamian were poorer than the average Briton, then why is there no migration from the Bahamas to the UK? There is simply no way you can be acquainted with the UK (where I went to University for years) if you think the average Briton is well off. A significant percentage of the GDP that is reflected in the UK's figures is accounted for by the state sector, health, education and other welfare investments. Britons have virtually no disposable income, unlike Bahamians and Americans. This is why they make such bad, low spending tourists.

In the Bahamas, on the other hand, the middle class is not only larger than that of the UK, but possesses more material benefits (nice cars, consumer goods). Britons have the upper hand in access to free state services like the NHS, which I admit is a better priority.

I am not sure what part of wikipedia you use to back up your claims, but the department of statistics here (following UN guidelines) puts poverty at 9%, while the UK's own statistics put theirs at around 25%.

It is obvious that you took the time since my last response to scour around wikipedia, check out Abaco, etc., which is funny. But sorry, it didn't work.
Re: Why Is Africa Less Technologically Advanced Than European Countries? by momoyama: 6:24pm On Aug 01, 2014
KiKatanga: You're welcome to believe what you believe, but for the record I'm in London as we speak... And haven't been to Nigeria for about 3 years.
Are you aware that the entire Abaco chain of islands has slightly less than 17,000 people? It kind of makes you sound silly to base judgments on the Bahamian economy on that, does it not? Kind of like going to the Isle of Wight then coming back an expert on the UK economy.

Besides, you still did not tell me where you saw these 'awful lot' of poor people in Abaco. What part? I know the place inside out and I will check it out. You should remember well if this was only three months ago. Now go check out some specifics on wikipedia before getting back to me. lol
Re: Why Is Africa Less Technologically Advanced Than European Countries? by Ahasco(m): 7:46pm On Aug 01, 2014
What was I going to say again cry ok I remember, yes that's the reason not until now when we have the right leader to change all that.
Re: Why Is Africa Less Technologically Advanced Than European Countries? by acorntree(op): 7:15pm On Sep 06, 2014
Ahasco: What was I going to say again cry ok I remember, yes that's the reason not until now when we have the right leader to change all that.
yes , right leader can bring a great change, but when and for how long are we to wait. Its as if black in general can not bring this changes because africans are not endowed with good leaders.
Re: Why Is Africa Less Technologically Advanced Than European Countries? by acorntree(op): 9:10pm On Feb 17, 2018
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Re: Why Is Africa Less Technologically Advanced Than European Countries? by MPSA(m): 1:09am On Feb 18, 2018
ednut1:
show me a black nation dat is advanced in africa or Caribbean. dnt mention SA cos na white build am. the blackman is naturally backward hahahahaha
I can see why your country will remain sh*t hole forever, You are waiting for a white man to come and develop your backward country, Your stupid mentality mentioned my country(SA), since you failed to develop that sh*t hole you called country, black south Africans automatically failed , because of your weak mind set grin, 90 %of SA population is Black, if you think 10% of SA population can develop south africa alone without 90% of population, something isn't right with your head, You must do something about that sh*t hole, and stop pasting your failure to others, deal with your weak points and shut up grin
Re: Why Is Africa Less Technologically Advanced Than European Countries? by Cromagnon: 3:35am On Feb 18, 2018
acorntree:
Infrastructures was developed in Europe and
western countries throughout the last 300
years, but in Africa this was developed by
colonizing nations merely for the ease of
extracting minerals and that is it. So Britain
and France, Greece and Portugal, Holland and
some other advanced first world countries
came, built what they needed and subsequently
left when they had their fill of diamonds, gold,
platinum, and other precious metals and
stones. When they left and handed over
"independence" to ignorant leaders the arena
was set for corruption and dictatorships to
flourish. Mix poor inexperienced african
leadership and an initially poor infrastructure
and we are left with corrupt countries rife with
war and violent factions. Infrastructures that
are not maintained fails and poverty follows
shortly afterwards. When poverty hits any
nation, life is about survival and not about
technology. Most of Africa is about survival,
and so the struggle for education, basic services
and technological advancement takes a
backseat to issues such as deforestation and
famine, overpopulation and diseases such as
malaria, aids and TB. Life in Africa is a struggle
for most Africans, and although some of it can
be ascribed to slavery, it mostly boils down to
exploitation of Africa's resources by pompous
first world leaders that thought it ok to pitch
up with a flag and some guns and steal all the
valuable commodities, and then leave the
natives to rot in their own ignorance. This is
why Africa is less technologically advanced.
Africans do NOT have a less primitive way of
life, we always had a more primitive way of
life than first world countries and still do.
laziness cos no cold weather
Re: Why Is Africa Less Technologically Advanced Than European Countries? by Cromagnon: 3:48am On Feb 18, 2018
Africans are generally mentally lazy, we'll rather wait for everything to appear miraculously.
worked in the past tbh
Re: Why Is Africa Less Technologically Advanced Than European Countries? by Cromagnon: 3:49am On Feb 18, 2018
EasternLeopard:
If Aburi accord was implemented, Nigeria won't be where she is today and Gowon won't be praying a medicine after death prayer he is praying today.
y wasn;t it implemented?
Re: Why Is Africa Less Technologically Advanced Than European Countries? by Cromagnon: 3:55am On Feb 18, 2018
EasternLeopard:
So many lecturers don't know how to pass information.

Imagine teaching undergraduates from unknown to known

For example

Instead of them to teach undergraduates

1) How things work or are produced

2) Laws theories formulars etc that operate or govern etc point (1)

3) The relationship btw point (1) and point(2)


They start by teaching

1) Laws, theories formulars etc that operate or govern how things work or are produced.

2) They most time fail to teach undergraduates how existing technologies work or are produced and their relationship with the laws theories formulars etc the technologies operate on or that governs the technologies.

3) They jump to application of those laws theories formulars etc in the final year in the form of projects

This leaves a lot of students confused in their field of study. Making it difficult for them to produce any meaning technology and destroying their interest in their course of study.

This aspect they neglect is a major fault in their lecturing format.
can't teach what they don't know
Re: Why Is Africa Less Technologically Advanced Than European Countries? by Cromagnon: 3:56am On Feb 18, 2018
EasternLeopard:
Compare this lecturing patterns and pick the better pattern

Topic : Gun


Lecturer A

He starts by teaching you

1) Loading mechanism
2) Trigger mechanism
3) Bullet mechanism
4) Recoil
5) Tells you where this knowledge is applied
6) Never tells you how this knowledge is applied


Lecturer B

He starts by teaching you

1) How a gun works and is produced
2) How a bullet works and is produced
3) Loading mechanism
4) Bullet mechanism
5) Trigger mechanism
6) Recoil
7) Tells you where this knowledge is applied.
cool Tells you how this knowledge is applied.


Btw these two pattern which is better and which one did your lecturer applied
the one that will get student a job in technoless economy
Re: Why Is Africa Less Technologically Advanced Than European Countries? by Cromagnon: 3:59am On Feb 18, 2018
ade2008:
Because we are too spiritual
part of the laziness
Re: Why Is Africa Less Technologically Advanced Than European Countries? by Cromagnon: 4:11am On Feb 18, 2018
momoyama:
Wow you are misinformed and unexposed! The wealth passes through and does not stay in the Bahamashuh Have you ever been here or are you just talking to sound smart?

The average hourly wage in the Bahamas is $14 per hour. That is US/Bahamian dollars. The percentage of people in poverty is lower than the US or UK, and in a tiny country of 350k people, tourist spending is about 2 billion dollars annually. As it is very hard for foreigners to get professional jobs in the Bahamas or to own stores or businesses, this means that the Bahamian professional class accounts for all of the management, administration etc. of the large resorts, banks, accounting firms etc.

It also means that locals own ALL of the retail chains, real estate, law firms and other professional businesses, which are reserved by law for Bahamians. The majority of foreigners living in the Bahamas are maids, cleaners and labourers who work in the homes of Bahamians (from Haiti, the Philippines, Colombia, Peru etc.) That is the vast bulk of work permits.

As for the masses of people in the Bahamas, they would laugh at you if you asked them if they want to go work in the UK or US or anywhere else. NOBODY immigrates from the Bahamas. Instead people immigrate TO the Bahamas in droves. That is why Bahamians do not require visas to go to any so called developed countries. Not even one!

So your expertise on the Bahamian economy and its supposed lack of benefit to the majority of Bahamians is simply laughable. Certainly most Bahamians would have a good laugh to hear it.
who owns the resorts
no bahamians
working as hoteliers and cabana boys is not exactly tech advanced
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