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Boomark:
If you cannot tell between Adam and Jesus who came first as a man, then what they are teaching you from the scripture has no meaning. This is we are arguing. Teachers teach people to have faith in what they don't know.



Na wa o!
Why was Adam said to be a son of God, Luke 3:38? Did Jesus become the begotten Son of God because a woman gave birth to him?

Keep dodging my question with your digression.

shdemidemi:
I think coming across as though one is evading your questions seem to boost your confidence. There is nothing to hide or to be evasive about. If Jesus is called God and at the same time called the son, what is the crime in calling him 'God the son'?

You will need to dismiss a whole lot of scripture if you insist on basing Jesus' divinity on the understanding that He prayed to God, He has a God et al.

shdemidemi:
Is it in your bible that any god that did not create heaven and earth shall perish?

jnrbayano:
Since we are both in agreement as suggested by the bold, why is there a debate then?

Boomark:
When we get to those other things we discuss them. As for now Trinity Does Not Exist. And again those things you are talking of depends on how you understood them.

God is the head of Christ, The God of Gods, the God of all flesh, the Father of all.

Can you call Mary the mother of God?

Boomark:
Trinity does not exist. The Father is the head of Christ.

Boomark:
Digression! I thought we discussed this before?

shdemidemi:
grow up..

not every one is here to win arguments... point out substantial points and not all of these tenuous arguments you are putting forward.

Boomark:
You need to grow you understanding.

I asked a simple question that need simple answer. This is why people insult Christians anyhow. You practice something different from what is written.

My point is in the question. Answer it the way i asked it without digression. If no one can answer it, then it beyond their understanding or they have chosen to put their faith in a teaching they don't understand.

shdemidemi:
Did Jesus ever refer to her as his mother? He calls her 'woman'. There is certainly a reason for that.

Boomark:
Trinity does not exist. The Father is the head of Christ.

shdemidemi:
Is this the new slogan or did you just come across this part of scripture?

Is Jesus God?

shdemidemi:
and what stops me from asking again, if you still won't grasp the whole idea of the advent of the Messiah.

Boomark:
Smh.

So there is a reason for that and there is no reason for "God the son" not been mentioned anywhere? This is when someone's belief is shrouded in hypocrisy.

Oh! She is not his mother because you did not see where he called her mother?

Jesus is God. Mary is the mother of God. Why not prove it wrong instead of giving us unfounded reasons.

Boomark:
I don't need digression from that my question. Create another thread for your question.

Boomark:
Where is the Cultist?

If you cannot defend what Paul taught, then you should keep silent, learn and ask questions. I have always told you to start afresh but you wouldn't listen.

Please tell us why Christ (deity) has a God (the Father), Rev 3:12, the same way we do, Jn 20:17 and remained subject to his God, 1Cor 15:27-28?

The question is still on, wanna try?

Bidam:
Why is it,that whenever a cult attacks christianity, they always attack the deity of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ?

Jesus Christ is God is not a contest but a statement of REALITY.

This God became flesh( 1 tim 3:16).

Paul said it is beyond all question and a mystery...anyone who wants to argue this should take it up with Paul and the Holy Spirit.

JesusisLord85:
@ the bolded....
Really?
Sorry to derail. But you 'Paul is my god, and anything I interpret him to have said, goes' christians need the true anchor, which is the Most High. Saying stuff like "take it us with Paul" is pathetic. Is he divine, that you say "and the Holy Spirit" under the same breath.

Chai

Bidam:
Paul was an Apostle to the gentiles..except ofcos you are excusing yourself and lapsing into judaism, you are a gentile.. And there is no denying the revelations he got from Jesus which was concealed in the OT and brought to light in the NT...The Holy Spirit spoke through Paul so don't pick a word and make it sound as if i said something wrong from my statement.

JesusisLord85:
You might be a gentile. I am not:

https://www.nairaland.com/1885089/gentiles-irrefutable-proof-modern-day-christianity

Be enlightened, mr grace

Bidam:
Ok suit yourself mr law keeper, i already have my bible...thanks for the iv.

haffaze777:
By Femi Aribisala
The word “Trinity” can be found nowhere in the
Bible. It is completely incongruous with scriptural
understanding of God. God is not three persons. There
is only one God and it is the Father. Jesus says:
“salvation is of the Jews.” (John 4:22). Salvation is
neither of the Romans nor of the Italians. The Trinity is
an unscriptural concept, smuggled into Christendom
under Roman Constantine by cloak-and-dagger means.
Precepts of men
Jesus says to God: “Your word is truth.” (John
17:17). But the doctrine of the Trinity is a lie. Here is
the lie: “There are three that bear witness in heaven:
the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these
three are one.” (I John 5:7).
This so-called scripture is counterfeit. It is non-existent
in the original versions of the Bible. It was smuggled
into the Bible by Trinitari-ans. Today, you will only
find it in the King James editions. The very fact that
Trinitarians found it necessary to smuggle I John 5:7
into the Bible in order to validate the doctrine of the
Trinity shows conclusively that the doctrine is fake.
The cardinal principle of God is simple and
straightforward. Here it is in a nutshell: “Hear, O
Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD.” (Deuteronomy
6:4). This is validated by Jesus himself. (Mark 12:29).
Therefore, hear O Christians, the Lord our God is not a
Trinity. The Lord our God is one. Jesus berated the
Pharisees for teaching as doctrines the precepts of
men. (Matt-hew 15:9). Many churches have fallen into
the same error with the Trinity fallacy.
Family of God
John says: “No man has seen God at any time.” (John
1:18). But men have seen Jesus. Therefore, the
expression “God” refers exclusively to God the
Father. Jesus never refers to himself as God; he reserves
that terminology solely for the Father. When someone
called him “Good Teacher,” Jesus replied: “Why do you
call Me good? No one is good but One, that is,
God.” (Matthew 19: 17).
Jesus never says God is a Trinity. Instead, he reveals
God is a family. The head of this family is the
Father. God’s household include Jesus; God’s sons and
servants; and angels. That is more than a trinity. The
man-made concept of the Trinity makes God an
exclusive triumvirate, limited to “the Godhead. ”
However, the Christ-revealed portrait of God makes
God an inclusive and growing family, open to all
believers. Jesus said to God: “I will declare your name
to my brothers.” (Psalm 22: 22). Jesus is: “the firstborn
among many brothers.” (Romans 8:29). Believers are
the brothers of Jesus. But we are not the brothers of
God. God is our Father.
Sons of God
Jesus only claims to be “the only begotten Son of
God.” (John 3:18). Indeed, he drew a distinction
between God and himself. He said to God: “This is
eternal life, that they may know You, THE ONLY TRUE
GOD, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.” (John
17:3). When they accused him of blasphemy saying:
“You, being a man, make yourself God,” Jesus replied:
“I said, ‘I am the Son of God.’” (John 10:36).
When Peter said to Jesus: “You are the Christ, the Son
of the living God,” Jesus confirmed this was a God-
given revelation. He replied: “Blessed are you, Simon
Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to
you, but My Father who is in heaven.” (Matthew
16:15-17).
This divine affirmation was repeated during Jesus’
baptism (Matthew 3:17); and on the Mount of
Transfiguration. (Matthew 17:5). There can be no
higher validation than these. John says: “If we receive
the witness of men, the witness of God is greater; for
this is the witness of God which He has testified of His
Son.” (I John 5:9). Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the
living God.
Jesus existed “before the foundation of the
world.” (John 17:24). Then he became a man. (John
1:14). But God does not change. (Malachi 3:6). Jesus is
a man. (John 8:40). But God is not a man (Numbers
23:19). Jesus died. But God cannot die. Jesus died but
God raised him from the dead.
Jesus calls himself “the beginning of the creation of
God.” (Revelation 3:14). God confirms this, declaring to
Jesus: “You are My Son, today I have begotten
You.” (Psalm 2:7). But the Father himself is not
begotten. He has no beginning but is from
everlasting. The psalmist declares: “Even from
everlasting to everlasting, You are God.” (Psalm 90:2).
Jesus has a Father. But God has no Father. Jesus has a
God. But there is no other God but God. Jesus says to
Mary: “I am ascending to My Father and your Father,
and to My God and your God.” (John 20:17). However,
it should be understood that the son of a lion is a
lion. Therefore, Jesus, the son of God is a God. God the
Father calls Jesus God, confirming his divinity.
He says to Jesus: “Your throne, O God, is forever and
ever; a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your
kingdom. You love righteousness and hate wickedness;
therefore God, Your God, has anointed You with the oil
of gladness more than Your companions.” (Psalm
45:6-7).
Jesus explained to the Jews that in the scriptures:
“(God) called them gods, to whom the word of God
came.” (John 10:35). Indeed, God calls his sons
gods. He says: “You are gods, and all of you are
children of the Most High. But you shall die like
men,” (Psalm 82:6-7).
He also says to his servant, Moses: “I have made thee a
god to Pharaoh.” (Exodus 7: 1). Moses himself declares
to the Israelites: “The LORD your God is God of gods
and Lord of lords.” (Deuteronomy 10:17). Paul
summarises it thus: “Even if there are so-called gods,
whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods
and many lords), yet for us there is one God, the
Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and
one Lord Jesus Christ.” (I Corinthians 8:5-6).
In short, God is not Father, Son and Holy Ghost. There
is only one God and it is the Father. There is only one
Lord and it is Jesus. As a man cannot be differentiated
from his spirit, so God cannot be differentiated from his
spirit. The Holy Spirit is the spirit of God.
God has no equals
The word “Christ” is not Jesus’ surname. It means “the
Anointed One.” But the anointed must be subordinate
to the anointer. Nowhere in the scriptures is it ever said
or implied that God is anointed. However, Luke says:
“God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit
and with power.” (Acts 10: 38).
The Jews accused Jesus of making himself equal with
God. (John 5:18). But Jesus never makes such claims.
Instead he says: “My Father is greater than I.” (John
14:28). Jesus submitted totally to God. At Gethsemane,
he said to him: “Not My will, but Yours, be do-
ne.” (Luke 22:42).
At-one-ment with God
Nevertheless, Jesus declares: “I and My Father are
one.” (John 10:30). However, the sense in which he
makes this declaration is qualified. Jesus only does the
will of the Father. (John 6:38). He only speaks the
words of the Father. (John 14: 10). The works he does
are the works of the Father.
That is the true atonement, ensuring that he who sees
Jesus sees the Father. (John 14:9). Jesus prescribes the
same atonement for us. He says to God: “I gave them
the same glory you gave me, so that they may be one,
just as you and I are one: I in them and you in me, so
that they may be completely one.” (John 17:22-23).

shdemidemi:
My God! you are one hell of a guy. Why jump on the back of my statement to make a case for yourself?

I said he never called her mother... why don't you work on that instead of quickly linking it to an unrelated subject.


I have explained where 'God the son' was coined from. Jesus is God and He is the son of God.

Mary was a mere vessel Jesus used to come into the world, it could have been through anyone. Even Mary understood the deal, she knew Jesus as her Lord.

Bidam:
When folks like you are still carnal and bllind to scriptural truth, the least i will expect from you is reading scripture with worldly lenses. Who is the first begotten from the dead? Who is our elder brother? Who does the fullness of the deity dwells in bodily? Don't even talk about the Father becos you don't know HIm neither will you..He is far beyond the scope of your small little mind. Focus on the Son..once you see(with the eyes of your heart) the Son you have seen the Father.

Repent and be baptize in the Holy Spirit then you will know who Jesus is..

Boomark:
You are talking about reading the scripture. Where did you get the doctrine your putting your faith in, cos it is no where to be found in the scripture?

JesusisLord85:
I guess that makes you mr law breaker,

since we're name calling.

Thou hast the word of the Most High. Good. And yet, you read the letters of Paul and base everything on that [or rather, how you interpret them] alone. No scriptural precepts.

Anyway, let me not derail this topic. As you were

Boomark:
And you are very bold to tell the world that you coined God the son from the son of God?

As in one can do some coining from these and get the same result.
1. Son of the father(God) - father(God) the son.
2. Son of Joseph(God) - Joseph(God) the son.

Smh for coiners.

If you are dodging the word mother at all cost, would you also dodge that Mary gave birth to God, since Jesus is God? That she carried God in her womb for 9 months. that God died?

Bidam:
neither will they know nor understand..i read, eat and talk scriptures everyday. It is inside of me, just like i am inside the Father.

jnrbayano:
I can't help you if its so hard for you to see something very plain...

Isaiah 9:6 was inspired by the Holy Spirit. No?

Isaiah 9:6 talked about he who is to be born as "Wonderful Councelor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace"

That who is to be born is Jesus Christ

There is only one "Mighty God" who is also known as "Everlasting Father"

The Holy Spirit called who is to be born (Jesus) Mighty God and also Everlasting Father through Isaiah

Who are you to suggest the contrary? Are you wiser than the Holy Spirit?

truthislight:
John 5:20:

For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, and he will show him even greater works than these, so that you will be amazed.

Even a blind man can see that ^ and know what it means.