₦airaland Forum

ratiken:
Your pride in ignorance deserves some attention hence this response.
Next time, stick to an identity in your response. ... dont start with "my people" and end in "your nepotism".
To the topic..... if the SA companies leave today, there will definitely be a short term effects such as layoffs and customer reactions. However you need to note the following
1. There are alternative companies in every field that the SA companies provide services
2. Because there is already a HUGE and EXISTING market, this is a huge opportunity for new comers and they will be streaming in at the speed of light
3. The new entrepreneurs (indigenous preferably) will mop up the employees of the exiting SA companies in the mid-term because they are used to and will be servicing the same market
4. You can be sure the SA companies will selling their assets on exit, you dont expect MTN to dismantle their masts and stations, you dont expect shoprite to carry their malls back to SA. They all remain here and servicing same market by same employees but different Non-SA management.
5. Exiting of SA companies is a blessing to our indigenous entrepreneurs
6. Nigeria loses little cos we have no major Nigerian brand in SA. At least the dangotes and adenuga's have seen no reason to invest there yet.

Now my overall response. if we critically look at the overall picture.... this looks like a script. When you have the two largest african economies at each other's neck...... Africa is the loser. Not Nigeria nor SA alone. I see the hand of the west in this. An aligned Nigeria and SA on economic policies will be a a real force...... Think about. Some people across the Atlantic dont want to see that happen.

My broda, leave the mugu.. I was showing financial data how Nigeria accounts for almost 30% of MTN's GLOBAL revenue, Nigeria boast of 58 million subscribers (36%), that's more than 1/3rd of MTN's global total of 207 million and he's talking about unemployment whereas this company adds peanuts compared to what they are milking Nigerians.. Leave him alone, he's better off with the crumbs falling off the table.

Ok it is beautiful,you will teach me when you come to look for a job in Joburg,I like it

Kasynpaulsyn1997:
thats the igbo langugage,native langugage of the people of the southeastern part of nigeria!

Its now 22h30 here in joburg,time to sleep...quotes from now will be sincerely replied tomorrow ...good night and sweet dreams everyone,by the way we are throwing a huge party with your seized oil money tomorrow...heita da so

assfreak:
E be like sey 4 evil spirits dey play table tennis doubles on top of your useless head abi? You dey craze? I abuse anybody for here? See, guy, next time you wan mention me, no try insult me. I stated my point, if you don't like it, make corrections politely and leave. You don't mean anything to me and we are not winning a prize for this argument. Nobody is even sure of the exact thing that would happen should MTN and others leave. Keep your side if you can't tolerate people, or maybe you think your grandfather owns this forum.

NO MATA HOW HARD YOU TRY HIDING IT THE BASTARDY SIDE OF Y
OU WILL ALWAYS REVEAL ITSELF.YOUR LITTLE PROBLEM HERE IS COMPREHENSION,OR WHEN HAS THE TRUTH BECOME INSULT? And hey......it's only a nincompoop that attacks someone Else's GRANDPARENT....WITH ALL THESE,ALLOW ME TO ADVISE YOU TO GO BACK TO SCHOOL FOR PROPER ORIENTATION

jayjam:
NO MATA HOW HARD YOU TRY HIDING IT THE BASTARDY SIDE OF Y
OU WILL ALWAYS REVEAL ITSELF.YOUR LITTLE PROBLEM HERE IS COMPREHENSION,OR WHEN HAS THE TRUTH BECOME INSULT? And hey......it's only a nincompoop that attacks someone Else's GRANDPARENT....WITH ALL THESE,ALLOW ME TO ADVISE YOU TO GO BACK TO SCHOOL FOR PROPER ORIENTATION

The better part of you went down your father's leg, you son of a dirty LovePeddler. You told the truth by indirectly saying that my IQ is low abi? Na thunder go fire you and your mother's smelling yansh. Ediot.

Yes!! We should cut ties and ask Nigerians to leave maybe then we'll have peace of mind. Yhooo hai we're gatvol of this whinging from you people hai suka maarn

assfreak:
The better part of you went down your father's leg, you son of a dirty LovePeddler. You told the truth by indirectly saying that my IQ is low abi? Na thunder go fire you and your mother's smelling yansh. Ediot.

Oh IQ! that means you were touched,sorry for that but it won't still take away your idiocy and hey.....am sure that's what your mum does,seems your little brain can only reason along the prostitution line.....WITH ALL THESE MORONIC POSTS ,GEJ NEEDS TO WORK HARDER TO IMPROVE OUR LITERACY LEVEL,don't forget to tell your mum biz thrives in portharcourt

[quote author=tinkinjow post=26996505][/quote]Population is a factor in Economy..Nigeria is no.1 Economy in Africa with huge potentials and huge customer base, u cant compare a country with 170milliion people to one with just 50million......If the Nigerian Federal Govt sanctions MTN, shoprite and DSTV and other SA companies dey would go down on theirs knees begging....Havnt u thought abt Google in China? upon all d govt censorship and infringement on googles terms of services, they are stil operating in China. SouthAfricans arent to blame for Nigerias present state of abyss, i blame the successive idiots who have been rulling us since 1960.......I want you to think of this,,,,,,Everything that can go wrong in a country is going wrong in Nigeria but yet Nigeria is still aftricas biggest Economy with a GDP of $500bn,,,,,,,if Nigeria gets its act together, we wld b robbing shoulders with Japan and Germany and not scuffling with SA.

assfreak:
You should receive your own e-slap. Do you know how many employees work for these companies from MTN to multi choice.

Instead of calming yourself down to grasp the whole situation, you are here blabbing about percentage BS.

It would affect both countries but then in Africa alone, There are 15+ South African companies on the list of Africa's top 20 companies. MTN is 4th on that list. Nigeria rakes in the largest percentage of profit for them in Africa but MTN serves beyond Africa. As at 2007, they were active in 22 countries including Afghanistan.

You think there would be ready jobs for those that would lose their jobs?

Guy no provoke me pass this level oo.. Na only mtn we get for 9ja ? Do you know how many telecom company go come out if mtn go ?

When there's no shoprite we no de buy things elsewhere ? Close shoprite now and see how many
Shprite-like biz will be up over night.

Belike say u no know 9ja self.

jayjam:
you as a local investor ,you buy off MTN's asset in NIGERIA......Am sure you will lay off the workers for you to start operation as a one-man mopol.?.......SOMETIMES ,I WONDER WHY SEUN DOES NOT SCREEN ENTRIES WITH PROPER IQ QUESTIONS

My brother... Welcome to nairaland

Sometimes I wonder knowing how enthusiastic we were to see a free SA. So much support for ANC and Mandela, scholarships in our Fed Govt Colleges and Universities for many SA students who were also camped and fed free during summer vacations! I remember Themba et al and wonder if they are the same ones now turning their backs on Naija and embarrassing us at every opportunity. SA has clearly forgotten our sacrifices in that era and after independence, the open door policy we gave them to grow their businesses (which they sometimes use to oppress us)

We were driven with great passion by our leaders to fight apartheid in every way. Thinking back now, could funding for ANC have been channelled through legitimate routes given the rules guiding apartheid then?

Of course I don't support illegality, corrupt practices and criminal tendencies. We do deserve some respect and there are better ways of dealing with us in our current situation without compromising on their legitimate processes and humiliating us.

We will be delivered from BH same way we conquered Ebola against all odds. God loves Nigeria!

EroZA:
Yeah go for what you want by sleeping with with prostitutes and beat your chest about it....

you are directly calling ur women prostitutes

ROSSIKE:
Exactly. If Shoprite leaves tomorrow, a Nigerian equivalent will replace it in under 3 months.

exactly dats wat have been trying 2 say

richeso:
Guy no provoke me pass this level oo.. Na only mtn we get for 9ja ? Do you know how many telecom company go come out if mtn go ?

When there's no shoprite we no de buy things elsewhere ? Close shoprite now and see how many
Shprite-like biz will be up over night.

Belike say u no know 9ja self.

yea Abeg help me tell them o

delpee:
Sometimes I wonder knowing how enthusiastic we were to see a free SA. So much support for ANC and Mandela, scholarships in our Fed Govt Colleges and Universities for many SA students who were also camped and fed free during summer vacations! I remember Themba et al and wonder if they are the same ones now turning their backs on Naija and embarrassing us at every opportunity SA has clearly forgotten our sacrifices in that era and after independence , the open door policy we gave them to grow their businesses (which they sometimes use to oppress us)

We were driven with great passion by our leaders to fight apartheid in every way. Thinking back now, could funding for ANC have been channelled through legitimate routes given the rules guiding apartheid then?

Of course I don't support illegality, corrupt practices and criminal tendencies. We do deserve some respect and there are better ways of dealing with us in our current situation without compromising on their legitimate processes and humiliating us.

We will be delivered from BH same way we conquered Ebola against all odds. God loves Nigeria!

we just sent 200 doctors to ebola hotspots to assist the affected countries, some nincompoop claiming to be a developed country don't have the balls to do it, they even accused Nigeria of having third world medical facilities after the SCOAN issue .. I understand why the Nigerian govt is angry with them... like a new green leave they should cue from fallen brown leaves, as it only takes R50 - $1. to be like zim

EroZA:
Ok it is beautiful,you will teach me when you come to look for a job in Joburg,I like it

sorry,i can easily get a job in lagos,abuja or portharcourt. But maybe i can teach you if you come to lagos (synagogue) for healings......

When t.b joshou invitation comes to my church,I will definitely come

Kasynpaulsyn1997:
sorry,i can easily get a job in lagos,abuja or portharcourt. But maybe i can teach you if you come to lagos (synagogue) for healings......

Kwa kwa kwa kwa SA had sent medical personnel ,equipments and ambulances to siera Leon and Liberia,the government of SA raised over $24 million to be donated to Ebola affected countries,google this info to feed yourself....Its not our culture to beat our chest for things like these...

iterator24:
we just sent 200 doctors to ebola hotspots to assist the affected countries, some nincompoop claiming to be a developed country don't have the balls to do it, they even accused Nigeria of having third world medical facilities after the SCOAN issue .. I understand why the Nigerian govt is angry with them... like a new green leave they should cue from fallen brown leaves, as it only takes R50 - $1. to be like zim

EroZA:
Kwa kwa kwa kwa...yes I agree with you,in SA we don't have forums wherein we attack and bad mouth other African countries...thats why am here,I find this forum interesting...if you people are allergic to white people,wake up Nigerians...this is 21th century.....you don't need us? Says a person who eat bread from shoprite daily,,drink tap water from UmgeniSA,use mtn network,watch English soccer via dstv,travel from Abuja to Lagos using SAA....may I tell you that your president was hear day before yesterday,begging for the release of your confisticated oil money...yeses you still have a long way to grow mate..

the only reason why poor south Africa. is in lime light is due to the failure of over 53 shit pile countries in Africa. Africa. is such a poor country that a country that will consider poor in asia is celebrated. as giant.

south africa is a third with all her over celebrated pale skin people (aka white) not comparable to brazil, Argentina, chile orsouth eas asians like thailand etc

Lol



quote author=podosci post=27028542]


the only reason why poor south Africa. is in lime light is due to the failure of over 53 shit pile countries in Africa. Africa. is such a poor country that a country that will consider poor in asia is celebrated. as giant.

south africa is a third with all her over celebrated pale skin people (aka white) not comparable to brazil, Argentina, chile orsouth eas asians like thailand etc[/quote]

atlwireles, manny4life and co,Since When did depending majorly on other countries of the world for consumer goods/services become something to be proud of?
How would we manage if we face the kind of sanctions Russia faces today?
Though in this day, no country can function entirely in total isolation but the international political economy is controlled by those countries that are almost 100 percent reliant on self. So much talk about South Africa suffering more if our (Nigeria and South Africa) economic relations becomes strained. What is the national of those working at MTN in Nigeria? same for all other South African business in Nigeria. Talking about MTN losing the MEGA profits they make from Nigerian on a yearly basis, how would this (losing this profit) affect South African government and her people? is MTN owned by the government of South Africa or by private individuals (South Africans, Arabians,Nigerians, Human beings)? I could go on, but the base line is that the two parties would be hurt by a strain in economic tires but Nigeria would lose more as a lot of Nigerians are been employed by South African firms, not mentioning the thousands of Nigerians hustling in South Africa. Be sure that the issue would be resolved, as the private individuals that own MTN their likes and labor leaders would move to placate their governments in other to protect their own interest.

pro2010:
atlwireles, manny4life and co,Since When did depending majorly on other countries of the world for consumer goods/services become something to be proud of?

Can you explain what you are talking about?

pro2010:
atlwireles, manny4life and co,Since When did depending majorly on other countries of the world for consumer goods/services become something to be proud of? How would we manage if we face the kind of sanctions Russia faces today? Though no country can function in total isolation in this day, but the international political economy is controlled by those countries that are almost 100 percent self reliant.
So much talk about South Africa suffering more if our (Nigeria and South Africa) economic relations becomes strained. What is the national of those working at MTN in Nigeria? same for all other South African business in Nigeria.
Talking MTN losing the MEGA profits they make from Nigerian on a yearly basis, how would this (losing this profit) affect South African government and her people? is MTN owned by the government of South Africa or by private individuals (South Africans, Arabians,Nigerians, Human beings)? I could go on, but the base line is that the two parties would be hurt by a strain in economic tires but Nigeria would lose more as a lot of Nigerians are been employed by South African firms, not mentioning the thousands of Nigerians hustling in South Africa.
But be sure that the issue would be resolved, as the private individuals that own MTN and the likes would move to placate their governments thereby protecting their own interest.

What are you talking about?

Did you read our position before writing all these?

When did expelling SA companies become isolation, yet when did that turn out to be depending majorly on other countries particularly when we are advocating for our indigenous growth?

Abeg I son't understand what you've written, please take a step back and read through our opinion.

As for the bold , if indeed you're asking a genuine question, I will reply you.

manny4life:
What are you talking about? Did you read our position before writing all these? When did expelling SA companies become isolation, yet when did that turn out to be depending majorly on other countries particularly when we are advocating for our indigenous growth? Abeg I son't understand what you've written, please take a step back and read through our opinion. As for the bold , if indeed you're asking a genuine question, I will reply you.

Do the mutinational companies make laws for us? are they responsible for our dead manufacturing sectors? how many wealthy Nigerians are willing to invest halve the money this multinationals invest in Nigeria? i can bet you that if we quarel with SA economically, we would turn to China/other countries.

EroZA:
Kwa kwa kwa kwa...yes I agree with you,in SA we don't have forums wherein we attack and bad mouth other African countries...thats why am here,I find this forum interesting...if you people are allergic to white people,wake up Nigerians...this is 21th century.....you don't need us? Says a person who eat bread from shoprite daily,,drink tap water from UmgeniSA,use mtn network,watch English soccer via dstv,travel from Abuja to Lagos using SAA....may I tell you that your president was hear day before yesterday,begging for the release of your confisticated oil money...yeses you still have a long way to grow mate..

I am Nigerian but I have to say that Nigeria is one country where you unfortunately find the manifestation of a very successful marriage between great confidence and ignorance.

Just imagine a proud allied general landing the beaches of Omaha on D-day, his armies armed with sticks, spears and clubs. Then he gives a loud Spartan-like roar.... "Charge!!!!!"


Such is the disparity between the capacity for clear thinking/planning/execution and the show of pump amongst quick-to-puff-up Nigerians.

Sadly, it is mostly Ibos (Igbos) that portray us this way internationally (as they also make a nuisance of themselves locally).

If Nigerians only knew the degree to which we have made ourselves look like retards - a close-to-zero capacity to organize.

We are only slowly coming out of it and not out of a conscious effort at all. I will put up my facebook post to this effect later


~ South-South voice

podosci:
the only reason why poor south Africa. is in lime light is due to the failure of over 53 shit pile countries in Africa. Africa. is such a poor country that a country that will consider poor in asia is celebrated. as giant.

south africa is a third with all her over celebrated pale skin people (aka white) not comparable to brazil, Argentina, chile orsouth eas asians like thailand etc

So why is SA ahead of those countries in most infrastructure index, go CHeck the power generation index.

coolscott:
I am Nigerian but I have to say that Nigeria is one country where you unfortunately find the manifestation of a very successful marriage between great confidence and ignorance.

Just imagine a proud allied general landing the beaches of Omaha on D-day, his armies armed with sticks, spears and clubs. Then he gives a loud Spartan-like roar.... "Charge!!!!!"


Such is the disparity between the capacity for clear thinking/planning/execution and the show of pump amongst quick-to-puff-up Nigerians.

Sadly, it is mostly Ibos (Igbos) that portray us this way internationally (as they also make a nuisance of themselves locally).

If Nigerians only knew the degree to which we have made ourselves look like retards - a close-to-zero capacity to organize.

We are only slowly coming out of it and not out of a conscious effort at all. I will put up my facebook post to this effect later


~ South-South voice

I am afraid you succeeded in making ZILCH sense.

Why would you muster the effrontery to trifle a serious issue with jejune rantings?

Just tell me why...

south Africa is being used by the USA to attack Nigeria cos Nigeria has refused to be dragged into legalizing same sex marriage. prior to this south Africa has always had complex issue once they hear that name Nigeria especially black south Africans.
if Nigeria government treat south Africans they way they treat Nigerians, south Africans will be the ones to lose more.
if south Africans are wise they should strive to have real and complete independent from their white masters. Nigeria can help them to achieve this if only they can bow to Nigeria's big brother position.

Question: Can Nigerians Do Without The Services Provided by South Africans?

Answer: Yes. There are several ways Nigerians will survive;

1: Nigerian companies will take over and absorb the human resources that will be laid off by the South African Companies.

2: Other foreign brands will fill the little vacuum created by the South African companies, especially due to the profit potentials of providing such services to Nigerian consumers that are known to have a high domestic consumption history.

3: Nigerians can easily survive on the small scale service providers that they were more accustomed to before the entry of South African Companies.

Question: Who will suffer if South African companies are sent packing?

Answer: SOUTH AFRICAN COMPANIES will lose so much money that some of them may never be able to recover. This is in the form of human, financial and physical assets, along with potential profits.

THE NIGERIAN WORKERS of these South African companies will lose from being laid off, however many of them will be reabsorbed into new or competing companies that will emerge to fill the gap.

THE NIGERIAN AND SOUTH AFRICAN GOVERNMENTS will lose valuable incomes in the form of tax and other incomes. Some foreign investors may be scared of investing in Nigeria as a pedigree will be built i.e. Investing in Nigeria will be viewed as being risky. However existing foreign companies in Nigeria will understand the dynamics in Nigeria and see the opportunities available.

CONCLUSION: South African Companies will rather kill Zuma than allow him to even think of letting the Nigerian government to kick them out. On the Nigerian side, the response of the government will determine how acceptable the diplomatic action will seem to Nigerians. If the vacuum left by the South Africans is effectively filled by local or foreign firms, it will mean that it is a total loss for the South Africans, especially their companies and government.

1.those companies are not only doing business in nigeria

2.no country will have desire to invest in a country where private businesses get subjected to threats by politicians

3.those companies are uniquely south African,even if Nigerians can try to emulate,things will never be the same

4.the government of SA can look for other countries as alternative to replace Nigeria target market

5.South Africans don't think like Nigerians therefore nobody will ever think of killing zuma because his government did not go to Nigeria and violated the laws of that country.

5.if Nigerians are capable of creating businesses that can match those ,what are you guys waiting for,I would love to see Nigerian big businesses in SA filling the gap currently occupied by these Nigerian barbershops,shoemaker shops,hair salons and taverns

6.on Tuesday president Jonathan and some of his cabinet members were here,he assured south Africa that south African businesses in Nigeria are in safe hands and there are no threats against them

7.your oil money will be realesed anytime from now,

8.dont create unnecessary enemies,there is no country that can survive without the outside world....

my name is EroZa ..this is my personal opinion

Justcash:
Question: Can Nigerians Do Without The Services Provided by South Africans?

Answer: Yes. There are several ways Nigerians will survive;

1: Nigerian companies will take over and absorb the human resources that will be laid off by the South African Companies.

2: Other foreign brands will fill the little vacuum created by the South African companies, especially due to the profit potentials of providing such services to Nigerian consumers that are known to have a high domestic consumption history.

3: Nigerians can easily survive on the small scale service providers that they were more accustomed to before the entry of South African Companies.



Question: Who will suffer if South African companies are sent packing?

Answer: SOUTH AFRICAN COMPANIES will lose so much money that some of them may never be able to recover. This is in the form of human, financial and physical assets, along with potential profits.

THE NIGERIAN WORKERS of these South African companies will lose from being l
aid off, however many of them will be reabsorbed into new or competing companies that will emerge to fill the gap.

THE NIGERIAN AND SOUTH AFRICAN GOVERNMENTS will lose valuable incomes in the form of tax and other incomes. Some foreign investors may be scared of investing in Nigeria as a pedigree will be built i.e. Investing in Nigeria will be viewed as being risky. However existing foreign companies in Nigeria will understand the dynamics in Nigeria and see the opportunities available.

CONCLUSION: South African Companies will rather kill Zuma than allow him to even think of letting the Nigerian government to kick them out. On the Nigerian side, the response of the government will determine how acceptable the diplomatic action will seem to Nigerians. If the vacuum left by the South Africans is effectively filled by local or foreign firms, it will mean that it is a total loss for the South Africans, especially their companies and government.

Lol...how did SA attack Nigeria?

Chigold101:
south Africa is being used by the USA to attack Nigeria cos Nigeria has refused to be dragged into legalizing same sex marriage. prior to this south Africa has always had complex issue once they hear that name Nigeria especially black south Africans.
if Nigeria government treat south Africans they way they treat Nigerians, south Africans will be the ones to lose more.
if south Africans are wise they should strive to have real and complete independent from their white masters. Nigeria can help them to achieve this if only they can bow to Nigeria's big brother position.