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Bidam:
i already did answer, maybe in a manner you do not like. The sheep are true believers while the goats are never saved to start with.

In addition you can answer why the thief on the cross was saved, was it as a result of his works?

Show me where the passage says that.

What I can see the passage say is "for I was hungry and you gave me to eat"...etc (good works)

The thief prayed to Jesus. Prayer is a good work. Prayer is all he had the opportunity to do...and he did it.

shdemidemi:
Please take it easy with him. He is speaking from what he has been exposed to probably for the most part of his life, nothing else seem to make sense. It can be frustrating atimes but we must squelch such frustration with the mind set that it's all a service for God, which is the primary reason why we were created.

Thanks, I am sorry for the outburst 'cos I was seriously pushed by him.

italo:
Paul was writing to the Church in Rome. Christians!

He was only using the Jew-Gentile argument to prevent them from judging anyone the way you are judging non-Christians.

Judging non-christians, nah, calling a spade a spade isn't judging bt love in is real sense. In fact I am showing more love telling them the truth n showing what's obvious that they might see the light n be saved, rather than being an hypocrite or nonchallant to their error which is detrimental to their soul.

clean2:
Pastor olu T am really disappointed to see a writeup such as this emanating from you,, is it that you have backslidded and now trying to find justification for the pleasure which sinful lifestyle offers,,please never justify sin for any reason which satan have tried to convince you with, its not too late to rise again, dust yourself , pick up your cross and continue the journey to heaven on the narrow road..our salvation is now nearer than we ever knew. The rapture is now nearer.

Pls go read the post again n also my previous posts for that will help, or is Paul also justifying sin by saying by works shall no man be saved?

PastorOluT:
Judging non-christians, nah, calling a spade a spade isn't judging bt love in is real sense. In fact I am showing more love telling them the truth n showing what's obvious that they might see the light n be saved, rather than being an hypocrite or nonchallant to their error which is detrimental to their soul.

You are judging and condemning non-christians to hell...the same way the Jews condemned Gentiles to hell.

Paul told them Gentiles who didn't have the law wouldn't be judged by the law. You want Paul to come back to earth to tell you non-christians who don't have the commandments of Christ will not be judged by it?

You think God is unfair and selfish like you pentecostals?

If you say only believers will go to heaven, what about a child who dies at the age of 2.

He will go to hell?

Tell me!

italo:
There is no dilemma.

Nobody here said we are saved by works.

The Catholic Church says we are saved by the grace of God but faith and works are our necessary response.

Both passages fit well into that doctrine but your false doctrine contradicts James 2:24.

Thank God u are coming around for the first part of this post, so what are we saying n what are u commenting n disagreeing with?

And as for James, he was talking about works born out of faith as ur works shows ur faith. Though Paul preaches n emphasizes grace alone, bt u can't imagine him commiting adultery n those heinous sins? In fact he already kept all the law n was perfect according to it when he was yet to encounter Christ. Bt do u know what he did? He count it all bygone for Christ sake 'cos he came to realize that his work never count when it comes to grace.

NB I noticed u miss up salvation n justification, pls can u show the difference or are they d same to u?

PastorOluT:
Thank God u are coming around for the first part of this post, so what are we saying n what are u commenting n disagreeing with?

And as for James, he was talking about works born out of faith as ur works shows ur faith. Though Paul preaches n emphasizes grace alone, bt u can't imagine him commiting adultery n those heinous sins? In fact he already kept all the law n was perfect according to it when he was yet to encounter Christ. Bt do u know what he did? He count it all bygone for Christ sake 'cos he came to realize that his work never count when it comes to grace.

NB I noticed u miss up salvation n justification, pls can u show the difference or are they d same to u?

You are just blowing meaningless grammar.

A man is justified by his works, not by faith alone (James 2:24). That is what the Bible says. Stop looking for ways to twist it.

A man of faith can commit sin. That's why Jesus told those who call him "Lord, Lord," "away from me, you workers of iniquity."

That's why even St. Paul was worried about his own salvation.

italo:
You are judging and condemning non-christians to hell...the same way the Jews condemned Gentiles to hell.

Paul told them Gentiles who didn't have the law wouldn't be judged by the law. You want Paul to come back to earth to tell you non-christians who don't have the commandments of Christ will not be judged by it?

You think God is unfair and selfish like you pentecostals?

If you say only believers will go to heaven, what about a child who dies at the age of 2.

He will go to hell?

Tell me!

Ur first statement I am 'judging n condemning people to Hell', can u show me just one of my post that says that?

So u still think we will be judged by the law? No wonder u have such understanding.

Why will a child go to Hell? Irrespective of what his parent believes he is saved, please kindly explain the work of redemption Christ wrought 'cos I don't think u understand that.

italo:
You are just blowing meaningless grammar.

A man is justified by his works, not by faith alone (James 2:24). That is what the Bible says. Stop looking for ways to twist it.

A man of faith can commit sin. That's why Jesus told those who call him "Lord, Lord," "away from me, you workers of iniquity."

That's why even St. Paul was worried about his own salvation.

Smile, U are just so impossible, what did i type n what did u comment? Just as someone earlier suggested u r at war with urself, peace be still!

Though u are not answering my questions, another one for u;

What do u understand by 1john 3:8-9?

PastorOluT:
Ur first statement I am 'judging n condemning people to Hell', can u show me just one of my post that says that?

So u still think we will be judged by the law? No wonder u have such understanding.

Why will a child go to Hell? Irrespective of what his parent believes he is saved, please kindly explain the work of redemption Christ wrought 'cos I don't think u understand that.

Before you flee from the issue:

You say only believers will go to heaven. Now you say a muslim child can go to heaven.

You see that your doctrine is a lie?

vest:
Brother Its Nt Abt Who Loss Or Wins

If U Say My Works Are Nt Important For My Salvation It Means I Dnt Nid To Do Anytin Good Or Bad Cus Nt Doing Good Work Is Doing Bad Work

Smile, work is a spiritual natural response to grace in this dispensation. 'I am saved which is why I do good works, I don't do good works in other to be saved.

italo:
Before you flee from the issue:

You say only believers will go to heaven. Now you say a muslim child can go to heaven.

You see that your doctrine is a lie?

This is simply as a result of ignorance, if only u understand redemption!

I put it to u again;

what do u understand by salvation n justification, or are they d same to u?

What do u understand by redemption?

PastorOluT,

First, only Christians were saved...you called me dumb when I disagreed.

Now that I show you how stupidd your claim is, suddenly a muslim child can be saved...and a Bhuddist, Hindu, Pagan, Atheist etc.

What about a Muslim adult who was born mentally insane?

He is saved too abi?

Pastor olodo.

PastorOluT:
This is simply as a result of ignorance, if only u understand redemption!

Stop clutching at straws.

I told you non-Christians can be saved, you said no.

Now you suddenly agree that non-Christians can be saved.

But only after I made you look stupidd.

italo:
PastorOluT,

First, only Christians were saved...you called me dumb when I disagreed.

Now that I show you how stupidd your claim is, suddenly a muslim child can be saved...and a Bhuddist, Hindu, Pagan, Atheist etc.

What about a Muslim adult who was born mentally insane?

He is saved too abi?

Pastor olodo.

U rant as an ignoramus that u are, u kept one saying u proved, did I ever said before a child will go to Hell, so where is ur proof.

Obviously u grabbing d last straw as a drowning man.

PastorOluT:
Smile, work is a spiritual natural response to grace in this dispensation. 'I am saved which is why I do good works, I don't do good works in other to be saved.

The people performing miracles in Jesus' name:

1. Did they have faith?

2. Were they saved?

3. Did they do good or bad works?

italo:
Stop clutching at straws.

I told you non-Christians can be saved, you said no.

Now you suddenly agree that non-Christians can be saved.

But only after I made you look stupidd.

Smile smh, pls what's ur qualification aside from religion 'cos people like u bring reproach to Christianity by atheists with this kind of comprehension. Or u never did English in school, I bet a 2 yr old would do better in comprehension?

A child can't be termed Atheists, etc, their practice make them one!

italo:
The people performing miracles in Jesus' name:

1. Did they have faith?

2. Were they saved?

3. Did they do good or bad works?

When u start answering my questions I will start answering urs 'cos obviously u r not ready to listen while u are consumed with ur preconceived ideas.

PastorOluT:
U rant as an ignoramus that u are, u kept one saying u proved, did I ever said before a child will go to Hell, so where is ur proof.

Obviously u grabbing d last straw as a drowning man.

Aha! Now you are ashamed of your false doctrine.

You said only Christians would go to heaven. See where you were fighting me when I said non-Christians can go to heaven in the pic.

Now everyone can go to heaven abi?

Olodo.

Let me ask you again:

Can a non-Christian go to heaven?

PastorOluT:
Smile smh, pls what's ur qualification aside from religion 'cos people like u bring reproach to Christianity by atheists with this kind of comprehension. Or u never did English in school, I bet a 2 yr old would do better in comprehension?

A child can't be termed Atheists, etc, their practice make them one!

In the same way, a child can't be termed Christian then.

Yet you say only Christians go to heaven.

All those children killed by ISIS are going to hell?

PastorOluT:
When u start answering my questions I will start answering urs 'cos obviously u r not ready to listen while u are consumed with ur preconceived ideas.

You have nothing true to say...that's why you contradict yourself.

The only reason you're refusing to answer is that you will contradict yourself if you do.

Because you're full of lies.

italo:
Aha! Now you are ashamed of your false doctrine.

You said only Christians would go to heaven. See where you were fighting me when I said non-Christians can go to heaven in the pic.

Now everyone can go to heaven abi?

Olodo.

Let me ask you again:

Can a non-Christian go to heaven?

Smile, now seun has to be banning people from this forum for being dumb, a child going to Heaven means everyone to u?

Anyone that doesn't believe in Christ is condemned already 'cos he has not believed in the only begotten of the father John 3:16-18.

PastorOluT:
Smile, U are just so impossible, what did i type n what did u comment? Just as someone earlier suggested u r at war with urself, peace be still!

Though u are not answering my questions, another one for u;

What do u understand by 1john 3:8-9?

I understand that you're of the devil...since you commit sin. Or will you tell another lie that you don't sin?

PastorOluT:
This is simply as a result of ignorance, if only u understand redemption!

I put it to u again;

what do u understand by salvation n justification, or are they d same to u?

What do u understand by redemption?

italo if u can't answer these questions u get out of this thread 'cos I am tired of ur childish ranting.

Also 1John 3:8-9

PastorOluT:
Smile, now seun has to be banning people from this forum for being dumb, a child going to Heaven means everyone to u?

Anyone that doesn't believe in Christ is condemned already 'cos he has not believed in the only begotten of the father John 3:16-18.

And a child cannot believe...so he is condemned? I see you dunno where to turn.

Which one is it?

What happens to a (non-christian) child or lunatic...or one who never heard of Christ, who obviously doesnt believe in Christ?

Heaven or hell?

PastorOluT:
Smile, now seun has to be banning people from this forum for being dumb, a child going to Heaven means everyone to u?

Anyone that doesn't believe in Christ is condemned already 'cos he has not believed in the only begotten of the father John 3:16-18.

smile, now I understand bondage for real, it zap up every form of sense from those practicing religion.

PastorOluT:
italo if u can't answer these questions u get out of this thread 'cos I am tired of ur childish ranting.

Also 1John 3:8-9

You're only looking for a way to change the topic.

Deal with your contradictions first.

If you cannot clarify whether only Christians can go to heaven or not, how can you be clear on anything?

PastorOluT:
smile, now I understand bondage for real, it zap up every form of sense from those practicing religion.

Attack the argument, not the person.

PastorOluT:
Smile, work is a spiritual natural response to grace in this dispensation. 'I am saved which is why I do good works, I don't do good works in other to be saved.

my Blive I Am Saved, I Am Being Save And I Will Be Save. A Continus Proces Nt A 1time Tin

Since U Are Saved, Wat If U Do Bad Works Tomoro(i.e Sin) Can U Lost It?

This italo guy is something else, phew!

Take the nairaland award for dumbest arguments, if anything of the nature exist. Imagine if you were Peter in the trance, been asked by the same God who had earlier said all you shall eat is kosher. All of a sudden the same God appears to say, 'now, eat this four footed beast', will you stand there to argue or refuse based on what He had said before.

Isn't God sovereign! The same God that gave israel the temple worship and killing of bulls and other rituals for atonement of sins says 'none of that anymore', now there is a one off sacrifice that does not only atone but remit the sins once and for all.

Likewise, the same Jesus who obeyed the laws and the works of the law before his death gave Paul the message of 'the gift of salvation apart from works'.

James, Peter and the rest never had this full revelation and the holistic meaning of 'the power of God unto salvation to all who will believe'. How could they? They had lived all their lives practicing these things and also with the master practicing similar things without reproach, simply because the time had not come for the shift. Peter, James and the rest still worshipped in the Jewish temple in Jerusalem for a long while after the death of Christ, not until it was eventually brought down.

Peter realised the meaning of the death of Christ when he visited cornelius who happen to be a gentile. He did not visit cornelius without making it clear that it was anathema before christ died for him to be found in the house of a gentile. To his surprise, Jesus revealed Himself even among the gentiles who knew nothing about the law or works the jews practice.

Peter did not only become an alibi to Paul when the jews felt all Paul was preaching was heresy, he also pointed them to Paul's message if they must be saved.
2 pet 3:15
And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him,


I implore you, my friend to read your Acts of Apostles to understand the swift change in administration and dispensation that brought most of the religious practices even in the four gospels obsolete.

^^^

I remember you. The same idiott that said there were two Jesuses and two gospels. We know that it is better talking to a goat than talking to you.

The same you is calling me dumb?

Then I rejoice.

By the way, what is the title of the senseless poem you wrote up there?

vest:
my Blive I Am Saved, I Am Being Save And I Will Be Save. A Continus Proces Nt A 1time Tin

Since U Are Saved, Wat If U Do Bad Works Tomoro(i.e Sin) Can U Lost It?

The truth is u cant be genuinely saved n continue in bad 'work' or sin as the case maybe. But u should never forget the fact that we r all growing to maturity unto the fulness of Christ, so a babe in Christ would still exhibit carnality. But as he grows up to maturity he conforms more to Christ.

Now the problem comes when one claim to have given his life to Christ for some considerable no of yrs n there seem to be no difference or sign of growth.

Now I dont believe any can accept Chriist genuinely n be damned, many that still persist in evil works r liars n hypocrites n never genuiinely met with Christ whiich is why they can never change.

It all boiils down to genuinely accepting Christ. Can a good tree bear a bad fruit, n if it does it means it wasnt a good tree after all.