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[quote author=tpia@]^ maybe he wants you to give him the money.[/quote] Zikkyy don turn devourer

Bidam: I am not an advocate of tithing as a command.I have said so many times in this forum that Christians ought to tithe by FAITH.

......driven from/by the heart. i.e. it should be personal. My position is that tithe is not preach-able. you cannot encourage people to give a certain %. by doing so you are trying to enforce a standard which shouldn't be.

Bidam: The first instance of tithing that we see occurs very early in the scriptures. Genesis 14:20 we see Abraham tithing the things he had been given to the high priest Melchizedek. This is verified in Hebrews 7:2 where we see Abraham gave a tenth of everything. This is the first example of giving a tenth of everything.You are of the argument that it was a one-off tithe and a war booty.

My argument goes beyond Abbie's tithe being one off and of war booty. It becomes a concern when some people attempt to link this with tithe of income today, storehouse/church bank account and devourer. what is the connection between the one time giving of a tenth of war booty and the giving of a 10% of salary/profit or sales from business/allowances (a.k.a. pocket money) to your local church or pastor?

Bidam: I was of the argument that you can appreciate God for what He has blessed you with in principle Heck!!

i don't see anything wrong in you appreciating God by giving 10% of your income to your pastor/church (if it comes from the heart). the concern is with the preaching of the tithe gospel.

Bidam: Thus, throughout the old law, the Hebrews were to keep the tithe.Now my argument here is that tithe was instituted by God and regulated under the law. Do you agree?

Okay.

Bidam: We see Jesus refer to the tithe in Matthew 23:23. The Pharisees would enforce the tithe upon the people and upon themselves, but had no regard for other elements of the law like justice, mercy, and faith. For this they were condemned. It is interesting that Jesus does not condemn them for tithing, but for not doing the other things of the law as well as tithing.My argument here is that the principle drawn from Jesus words is that we should concentrate on building godly character. GIVINGS should be the least of that character because it is the life-style of a believer.Do you also agree?

It depends on your definition of giving here.

Jesus did not condemn anybody for adhering to the law of moses. so there's no reason for him to condemn tithe. did any Jew tithe his/her salary? did any Jew tithe his allowance (a.k.a pocket money) if they did am very sure Jesus would have condemned it, but they didn't. So you understand why Jesus did not condemn tithe, there was nobody engaging the modern day version of tithing.

Bidam: But Hebrews 10:9-10 tells us that we are sanctified by the second covenant, not the first covenant, for the first covenant has been taken away. Do we have a command under the second covenant to tithe?
i don't think so neither do we have the command NOT TO TITHE. This is the question begging for answers which so far you guys have failed in convincing me that tithe should not be voluntary for Christians as the Holy Spirit instructs a believer.

we are not told to tithe or not to tithe. let it be as you are led (by the spirit o! not by your pastor, and not because you want to hammer because such motive takes away the love/sincerity in your giving).

You can see that we don't have to argue too much if you don't attempt to twist scriptures to justify actions that cannot be supported with scriptures

[quote author=m.k.o2005]Why didn't you give your offerings like Jacob ?[/quote]Because my (so called) OFFERING is not linked to Jacob's. i am not giving because Jacob gave. For people like you that tithe because you want to imitate Jacob (though we don't see/read Jacob tithing), i am asking why you are not giving directly to God. if Jacob engaged in tithing, he would have given it directly to God. I believe that's simple enough.

Please answer my question na. is the question so difficult?

[quote author=m.k.o2005]Since ur offering is now gor church maintenance, why don't you believe that ur tithe is also for church maintenance(paying of church bills,staff,crusade,conventions,missions,helping the less privileges and so on as the list can go on and on and on ?[/quote]Why do i need to separate my 'church' support into 'offering' and 'tithe'? if my total budget for the 'church' is 20% why separate into 10% for 'tithe' and 10% for 'offering'? especially when my 'offering' is same amount as the 'tithe' maybe there's something you are not telling me. Besides Abraham & Jacob you want to imitate did not tithe for 'church' maintenance'. Are you really sure you understand why you tithe?

[quote author=m.k.o2005]When you give offerings in the house of the Lord,it's not to man but to God.HE alone decides what HE does with ur offerings becos it's not urs but HIS.[/quote]Don't deceive yourself, it is the pastor/church administrator that decides what to do with the money usually without asking for God's opinion.

[quote author=m.k.o2005]Or do you think wen God want's to maintain his church he COMES down from heaven or throws money down from heaven for church maintenance ?[/quote]God will always maintain his church tithe or no tithe. absence of 'tithe' will/can not collapse the church. where is your faith?

@Zikky quote''Jesus will did not condemn anybody for adhering to the law of moses. so there's no reason for him to condemn tithe. did any Jew tithe his/her salary? did any Jew tithe his allowance (a.k.a pocket money) if they did am very sure Jesus would have condemned it, but they didn't. So you understand why Jesus did not condemn tithe, there was nobody engaging the modern day version of tithing.''
If i may ask,do you think there were as much bankers,shippers,oil industry workers,architects,town planners and the likes of all the predominantly modern workers and biznesses as we have them today back then in Jesus' time ? Men were predominantly farmers and they gave tithe in that line ! Besides who told you they never tithed stuffs other than cassava and yam Go study ur bible you will find out that men tithed gold,silver and even iron related materials ! When Jacob tithed or vowed to tithe of all that he possess,who told you that all he had was just vegetables and coco-yam! He gave a tithe of all that was given to him ! If God gives me cassava,i will tithe in cassava ! If he gives me veggies,i will tithe in vegies,if he gives me cows,i will tithe in cows,if goat,i do it in goats,if mushrooms,i do it in mushrooms and if cash,i will tithe in ...... Fill in for me Zikky please! Now who said i can't spiritually use cash to represent my vegetable and life stock blessings ? If he could receive Gold,silver and iron materials ,then he can accept my naira and dollars ! It depends on ur understanding bro ! Or you think God eats vegetables and coco yams ? But he can distribute it to the 'havenots' and can also instruct or inspire the distribution of my tithes along the lines it can be most effectively used for the furtherance of the gospel !

God help us

[quote author=m.k.o2005]@Zikky quote''Jesus will did not condemn anybody for adhering to the law of moses. so there's no reason for him to condemn tithe. did any Jew tithe his/her salary? did any Jew tithe his allowance (a.k.a pocket money) if they did am very sure Jesus would have condemned it, but they didn't. So you understand why Jesus did not condemn tithe, there was nobody engaging the modern day version of tithing.''
If i may ask,do you think there were as much bankers,shippers,oil industry workers,architects,town planners and the likes of all the predominantly modern workers and biznesses as we have them today back then in Jesus' time ? Men were predominantly farmers and they gave tithe in that line ! Besides who told you they never tithed stuffs other than cassava and yam Go study ur bible you will find out that men tithed gold,silver and even iron related materials ! When Jacob tithed or vowed to tithe of all that he possess,who told you that all he had was just vegetables and coco-yam! He gave a tithe of all that was given to him ! If God gives me cassava,i will tithe in cassava ! If he gives me veggies,i will tithe in vegies,if he gives me cows,i will tithe in cows,if goat,i do it in goats,if mushrooms,i do it in mushrooms and if cash,i will tithe in ...... Fill in for me Zikky please! Now who said i can't spiritually use cash to represent my vegetable and life stock blessings ? If he could receive Gold,silver and iron materials ,then he can accept my naira and dollars ! It depends on ur understanding bro ! Or you think God eats vegetables and coco yams ? But he can distribute it to the 'havenots' and can also instruct or inspire the distribution of my tithes along the lines it can be most effectively used for the furtherance of the gospel !

God help us[/quote] MKO please where in the bible did people tithe gold and silver? i would be so glad if you show me.

[quote author=m.k.o2005]If you tithe to Christ,who do you expect HIM to tithe to ? Abraham tithed to Melchizedek (Jesus)who can decide to do what ever pleases HIM with the tithe ![/quote]You said Abraham tithed more after tithing war booty and Melchi disappeared after collecting the booty. my question was; who collected Abbie's other tithes?

So, since Melchi is Jesus what happened to the booty? are they in heaven? you know the booty may include animals like horses and/or donkey, maybe the donkeys are running around in heaven as we speak.

[quote author=m.k.o2005]To tithe to God is presenting it in HIS presence via his earthly representatives with heart full of thanks and praises out of Love to show appreciation for what HE has done and still doing in ur life ![/quote]So the pastors are representing God. who are you representing then? Satan? so are they going to heaven to drop the tithe on your behalf? maybe that's what the PJs are for Did God tell you to give his tithe to a rep? Jacob told God he will give a tenth to God. If he did, he would have given it directly to God via burnt offering. Abbie gave his to Melchi, the Israelite gave theirs to the tribe of Levi (as their inheritance and as commanded by God), who told you to give a tithe to pastors (self appointed reps)?

[quote author=m.k.o2005]Don't drop ur tithe in the tithe box and stare at it all the way as it's taken in for counting ! T[/quote]

[quote author=m.k.o2005]Jesus did that becos they wanted to destroy his body(Church) no be building o. We are not the head but also the body of Chrsit. It's only the head can do that which Jesus did and na only one head we get wey be JESUS !
Regarding ur questions,i hav answered it long ago.See below answer wey even the daftest of the spiritually dull wouldn't need any explanation on the below:
There are priests and high priests ! Men are priests and high priests as well : Jesus is a priest and also high priest ! The Law had priests and high priests as well. The reason Jesus' kind of priesthood was different from other kinds of Priesthood is just becos HE IS A PRIEST IN THE ORDER OF MELCHIZEDEK ! See below scripture for ur digest :

Hebrew 7:26-28''Such a high priest truly meets our need—one who is holy, blameless, pure, set apart from sinners, exalted above the heavens. Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself. For t[b]he law appoints as high priests men in all their weakness[/b]; but the oath, which came after the law, appointed the Son, who has been made perfect forever.''
Concerning Abraham bein a priest,i think i should put some lines for you may be you will get the answers from there . See below:
Abraham knew God,spoke with God and also made sacrifices to God ! You have know who Abraham was now right ?

God help us[/quote]this is y ppl write jamb n waec 10x but still fail, bros, did i ask u anything about Jesus? Did i say, explain Jesus priesthood? Ok, for d last time, this is d kwesion, 1.was melchi a priest or a highpriest? 2. Was Abraham a priest. If u can nt answer, just say, "no idea". Good luck.

[quote author=m.k.o2005]How come you are the one telling every one the reason they tithe ?[/quote]Only those i can vouch for; people like you.

[quote author=m.k.o2005]Since you say i am not tithing to support the work of God,then i should say i tithe becos i wan to support the work of the devil [/quote]Its not about supporting the work of God or devil, that na window dressing. from the way you been twisting scriptures, it's very obvious your tithing is based on some profit motive. The man tithing out of love will not need more than a post to state his cause.

Zikkyy: Only those i can vouch for; people like you.



Its not about supporting the work of God or devil, that na window dressing. from the way you been twisting scriptures, it's very obvious your tithing is based on some profit motive. The man tithing out of love will not need more than a post to state his cause.

don't mind m.k.o. From his posts, the 2 reasons he tithes is

1) Greediness, so that God would fill his house with riches. The more the tithe, the more the riches

2) FEAR of the Devourer lynching him.

[quote author=m.k.o2005]If i may ask,do you think there were as much bankers,shippers,oil industry workers,architects,town planners and the likes of all the predominantly modern workers and biznesses as we have them today back then in Jesus' time ? Men were predominantly farmers and they gave tithe in that line ![/quote]Nobody argues that they were not predominantly farmers, it was still a society (maybe not as sophisticated as modern day) but you are very likely to have service providers. Jews were working for their rich brothers and earning wages as well. The salary earners did not and were not required to tithe.

[quote author=m.k.o2005]Go study ur bible you will find out that men tithed gold,silver and even iron related materials ! When Jacob tithed or vowed to tithe of all that he possess,who told you that all he had was just vegetables and coco-yam! He gave a tithe of all that was given to him ![/quote]If men tithed gold and silver, it was not under the law. Maybe you are referring to Abbie. Whatever Abbie or Jacob tithed was rendered irrelevant after Moses dished out the law. Abbie & Jacob's (if he tithed) type of tithing was nailed to the temple's wall as it was not allowed under the law. So if people gave gold or silver pre-law, God canceled such form of tithing under the law, and it was the tithe under the law that Jesus encouraged for those under the law.

[quote author=m.k.o2005]If God gives me cassava,i will tithe in cassava ! If he gives me veggies,i will tithe in vegies,if he gives me cows,i will tithe in cows,if goat,i do it in goats,if mushrooms,i do it in mushrooms and if cash,i will tithe in ...cash.. Fill in for me Zikky please![/quote]Done! as requested. My question for you is this; who told to tithe mushroom or cash

[quote author=m.k.o2005]Now who said i can't spiritually use cash to represent my vegetable and life stock blessings ?[/quote]I honestly don't know how you want to achieve this. BTW which one be vegetable and livestock blessings

[quote author=m.k.o2005]If he could receive Gold,silver and iron materials ,then he can accept my naira and dollars ![/quote]@bolded, who told you God received gold, silver and iron materials. Lol! @ iron materials, you think there are construction work ongoing in heaven abi?

shachris: don't mind m.k.o. From his posts, the 2 reasons he tithes is

1) Greediness, so that God would fill his house with riches. The more the tithe, the more the riches

2) FEAR of the Devourer lynching him.

You are wrong here, I remained convinced with the way mko assaults scriptures to justify the fraudulent tithe doctrine that he is not a tither but a tithe collector.

[quote author=m.k.o2005]
We don't tithe to our pastors becos they all die ! We tithe to Christ as Abraham did and also as Jacob did ! That is the reason we dnt care what the tithe is been used for ! We give to God as we also give our offerings to Him !

God help us[/quote]Hehehe.

The delussion is big.

pastors dont collect tithe again

These discussions are not for the benefit of the discussants. anybody can twist or lie to win an argument.

The beneficiaries of these discussions are those who have NEVER heard or known what Tithing is all about and its relationship to a Christian except the much popular Mal 3:8-11. They will come in and read maybe today, tomorrow or even next year as long as NL is still operational.

They'll read and arrive at the truth and when that happens, this thread and similar ones would have achieved it's aim.

So kudos to everybody

I tried following this epistles and it's worth the while. I'm a regular tither but all this while I Neva found it funny when people rain curses of mal. 3 when it's tithe and offer. Time. I read d scriptures and found deut. 14 and 26 since then I gained a new insight into the topic. I still give my tithe to the church but I don't hesitate to give some or all of it to whoever is in need genuinely be he stranger, friend , pastor. I still have my piece of mind. As a socialist I believe God instituted it to reduce wickedness in d land or How do u explain widow,fatherless and the alien . As for the Levites. Though Levites don't exist again it is wrong for the church to dwell on Malachi 3. That's the problem. I get so angry anytime people dwell on dat verse cos, it's half truth . The very day I showed my colleagues deut. 26 in the office they all marveled and could not believe there eyes and ears. As for those arguing to an fro it's all frivolities cos trying to support this or that people will always try to bend facts wc is bad. That's what argument brings. Win at all cost . This is a personal issue. I know it's not easy for people to reason out of box over somthin uve been taking hook line and sinker before.
Along d line arguement has blinded pple to see d point. I can't say don't pay tithe, how are we going to run d church. But teach people rightly and don't rain curses of mal. Just to make them afraid. I was jobless before god gave me a job. So I know how elated I feel anytime I pay tith. It's not because someone is reading mal. 3. In fact that's enough reason to send it to my home church.
I was in church one day when one young pastor was saying if u dont pay ull go to hell cos a thief can't see god I was like haba. Wetin?. Where d hell did u read dat young man. It's wrong.
The people defending tithe are acting desperate while the anti tithing guys are really articulating, but they are abusive. Dats all
For those guys who haven't read deut 26. It's a follow up to 14.
See after the cut it's self explanatory no complicated theology. God is a socialist, he doesn't want anyone to suffer just because he or she doesn't have access to the goodies of the land.

[b]D[b]euteronomy 26:1-19 KJV
[1] And it shall be, when thou art come in unto the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance, and possessest it, and dwellest therein; [2] That thou shalt take of the first of all the fruit of the earth, which thou shalt bring of thy land that the Lord thy God giveth thee, and shalt put it in a basket, and shalt go unto the place which the Lord thy God shall choose to place his name there. [3] And thou shalt go unto the priest that shall be in those days, and say unto him, I profess this day unto the Lord thy God, that I am come unto the country which the Lord sware unto our fathers for to give us. [4] And the priest shall take the basket out of thine hand, and set it down before the altar of the Lord thy God. [5] And thou shalt speak and say before the Lord thy God, A Syrian ready to perish was my father, and he went down into Egypt, and sojourned there with a few, and became there a nation, great, mighty, and populous: [6] And the Egyptians evil entreated us, and afflicted us, and laid upon us hard bondage: [7] And when we cried unto the Lord God of our fathers, the Lord heard our voice, and looked on our affliction, and our labour, and our oppression: [8] And the Lord brought us forth out of Egypt with a mighty hand, and with an outstretched arm, and with great terribleness, and with signs, and with wonders: [9] And he hath brought us into this place, and hath given us this land, even a land that floweth with milk and honey. [10] And now, behold, I have brought the firstfruits of the land, which thou, O Lord , hast given me. And thou shalt set it before the Lord thy God, and worship before the Lord thy God: [11] And thou shalt rejoice in every good thing which the Lord thy God hath given unto thee, and unto thine house, thou, and the Levite, and the stranger that is among you. [12] When thou hast made an end of tithing all the tithes of thine increase the third year, which is the year of tithing, and hast given it unto the Levite, the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, that they may eat within thy gates, and be filled; [13] Then thou shalt say before the Lord thy God, I have brought away the hallowed things out of mine house, and also have given them unto the Levite, and unto the stranger, to the fatherless, and to the widow, according to all thy commandments which thou hast commanded me: I have not transgressed thy commandments, neither have I forgotten them : [14] I have not eaten thereof in my mourning, neither have I taken away ought thereof for any unclean use , nor given ought thereof for the dead: but I have hearkened to the voice of the Lord my God, and have done according to all that thou hast commanded me. [15] Look down from thy holy habitation, from heaven, and bless thy people Israel, and the land which thou hast given us, as thou swarest unto our fathers, a land that floweth with milk and honey. [16] This day the Lord thy God hath commanded thee to do these statutes and judgments: thou shalt therefore keep and do them with all thine heart, and with all thy soul. [17] Thou hast avouched the Lord this day to be thy God, and to walk in his ways, and to keep his statutes, and his commandments, and his judgments, and to hearken unto his voice: [18] And the Lord hath avouched thee this day to be his peculiar people, as he hath promised thee, and that thou shouldest keep all his commandments; [19] And to make thee high above all nations which he hath made, in praise, and in name, and in honour; and that thou mayest be an holy people unto the Lord thy God, as he hath spoken.
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Nowhere was tithing commanded for christians who by faith in christ became christ follower! but rather than teaching 'giving voluntarily as a personal resolve, what one chose to give as practiced by early christians'

modern pastors impose a ten percent tax fraud on their folowers, using DEVOURER in malachi 3 to scare them

Candour: These discussions are not for the benefit of the discussants. anybody can twist or lie to win an argument.

are you confessing?

God2man.

truthislight: Hehehe.

The delussion is big.

pastors dont collect tithe again

this got me laughing

God2man: are you confessing?

God2man.

What do you think?

BERNIMOORE: Nowhere was tithing commanded for christians who by faith in christ became christ follower! but rather than teaching 'giving voluntarily as a personal resolve, what one chose to give as practiced by early christians'

modern pastors impose a ten percent tax fraud on their folowers, using DEVOURER in malachi 3 to scare them

Yea that's d point I just raised now. The teaching should and must change to voluntary giving and not curses induced . That's just essence of d epistle I wrote b4. Unfortunately that's d. Point the pro-tithers are not seeing, the way and manner they were arguing. It's seems their goal is to win arguement and not to see reason why dwelling on Malachi 3 is inappropriate .

[quote author=m.k.o2005]God bless you !
Let them continue to hate what is scriptural and swallow hook,line and sinker the traditions and doctrines of men !

God help us[/quote]and still you have not produced Scripture that supports your monetary tithe requirement doctrine.

We all know it is because there is no such Scriptural support for monetary tithe requirement. We know that that requirement to tithe money is tradition and doctrine of men.

Goshen360: First, I believe you start out with good intension but I took time to understand what you saying. I understand what you said out of good heart and I also understand what you said based on ignorance and what you said based on religion and what you said based on 'follow-follow' mentality and what you said based on emotion.

The above I agree with you not calling them all names but that is not to say they cannot be spoken against or called out when they teach what is not sound doctrine. Also, you must understand not everyone of us will address issues with the same level. Please, let this understand be in you.



Now, this is the issue of religious sentiments and churchianity. Broad is the way that leads to destruction and many walk in it. I know you might want to read the religious mind into that text but it is what it is - many people will be doing what seems to be right but that God never approved. The fact that many Nigeria churches are doing it doesn't make it right.

The Lord said, for sometime you won't see me and after some time, you will see me again. These are the days we're are seeing the Jesus-kind of Christians. People who will not come to Christ because they want blessings, people who are challenge any religious teachings going on before, just like Jesus wiped the thieves in the temple. People who focus on Christ without mixing Judaism. These are all what Nigeria religious church is all about. But the good news is, there remain a remnant according to election of Grace.

You just said no matter the fight, it is an exercise in futility. You failed to understand the awakening is just beginning. First, by myself, I have delivered one RCCG pastor that used to be and is still my mentor. I discussed with him, calling him from the States here and as I began to delve into the word, he knew I was saying the truth. I told him to go study the subject of tithe again. Lo and behold, he called me back and said I was right. This might be a shocker to you - he resigned from RCCG and I wasn't the one that instructed him to resign.

Again, I'm believing God to start a teaching ministry in Nigeria and hope you will be alive to here of one brother Godwin (my real name) some day in the future. All false teachings (including tithe) going on before shall be dismantled. All Judaism shall be removed out of Christianity and the reality of the New Covenant in the finished works will be presented. I will not collect tithe directly or indirectly because ministry as the Lord is teaching me, is to care for the flock of God not collecting from them and it's a big responsibility. Ministry had been hijacked by men who are Judaizer but thinking they are practicing Christianity. If it is not Christ-like, it is not Christianity!!!



Very simple - Because it negates the Grace of Christ, the message of the Cross and the Apostolic doctrine.

And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers. Act 2:42

You can't just conclude it is waste of time or exercise in futility, there is a great revival going on right now and knowledge is increasing. Wait a minute, what do you think when Christ said "in the last days, there will be many false Christ and they shall deceive many. . . " You think these false Christ will call themselves Christ? Just like Christ wiped the thieves out of the temple, we will continue these fight and awareness and in time to come, these false teachings to Christians will spread and apparently, those in business will be put out of business.



Lemme tell you what you don't understand. We present the truth as it is concerning tithe and tell whoever we teaching not to take our words for it but they should go, like the Bereans and study every where the tithe and tithing was ever taught in scripture and then we always get result except for those whose mind are religiously blinded because they exalted the words of their pastors more than the word of God. They can't believe their man of God can be lying to them for years. However, many Christians are too lazy to do study for themselves. The pastor is their bible study and they were indoctrinated to believe only men of God have 'special revelation' on God's word.

When someone want to build a house, the first thing is foundation. These men of God have laid foundation for continuous collection of tithe by mixing Judaism with Christianity. They have lifted what was written to Israel as what was written to the Church. Church people are confused, not knowing there left to right. They have created fear in the heart of people but lo and behold, my bible tells me, perfect love of God cast out fear. They have laid foundation in such a way that, they will continue to have customers coming to them for deliverance and visions and special messages\revelation etc which will in turn necessitate seed offerings and 'sow into the anointing' or 'point of contact' nonsense.

^ But, there's a remnant that have gone and be with the Lord and we have found of the tricks of the devil perpetrated by his minister calling themselves ministers of Christ. We have found the lies of the devil used by men on the pulpit to put God's children in bondage. Deliverance is here for God's people and do not think deliverance means casting out devils from a Christians but it means, accepting what had been done, what Christ had done by the One time offering of His blood.

Glory to God.



We have listened to you pro-tithe. What are your teaching? Tithing pre-date the law. You don't dispute that. From the pulpit, e.g Pastor E.A. Adeboye, returns to Malachi and threatens worshipers with curse of devourer? Can you honestly tell us he is preaching tithe that pre-dated the law? Pastor E.A. Adeboye instructed all parishes there will be no ordination or marriage conducted for non-tithers. Lemme tell you the truth in my heart today, I lost respect for him when I heard\read that. That's outright UN-APOSTOLIC!!!

2. Even Bidam your tithe brother agrees that Malachi was written to nation of Israel and the priest then but what do we see on the pulpit, pastors on the pulpit will quote out of context and deceive many to part weekly with their money every Sunday. This is also UN-APOSTOLIC!!!

3. I once asked someone, if I tithe ONCE like Abraham,can it be said that I am a tithe. Guess what, the person said, YES!!! I'm a tither. Why then should we be labeled anti-tithe if we, most against tithing for Christians had tithed more than ONCE unlike Abraham? Abraham wasn't obeying yearly commandment of tithe as commanded under the law of Moses, hence, the once. Many of us had tithed more than once, If God is to judge us or reward us based on more than once act, we should be more blessed than Abraham or what do you think?

4. Abraham did animal sacrifice before the law, should we, Christians also follow this example today? Abraham slept with house maid, should we do that? Abraham went to war, should we do that? Abraham used flesh to help God, should we do that?

5. Abraham's tithing of spoils from the war' is never included as content of tithe under the law. Hence, it is not a continuation or an extension of Abraham's tithe officially commanded in the law. Other things mentioned above that Abraham did were all addressed under the law but items from war were never accepted or included as tithable items under the law. So, why the confusion?

6. Abraham's tithing as he was operate under the 'covenant of promise' then. The covenant of the law (by works, men trying to do something for God instead of God doing some for men) came and everything changed. The law was given so that men will come to the end of his self efforts.

For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. Romans 4:2



You're simply using same tactics as these men of God we talking about. How do you know people will not come here anymore? Through this forum alone, many had been released from the yoke of men and bondage of the law of tithing. I have not tithed for many years, I have a good job, good benefits and pay and yet, I'm yet to see any 'devourer' in my life. Without boasting, I'm far better than many tithers in Nigeria. I know some religious mind will say I'm boasting but far from it - I'm saying what I am today is all by God's undeserved favour on me. I do not tithe but I'm a giver as I'm blessed.



1. I know many pro-tither who have more than 3 I.Ds, are you people not also guilty of same? Have you heard of online tracking softwares? All you have to do is, get one of them and install on your computer and run or open nairaland dot com on that software and you will be shocked how many of your pro-tithers with several I.Ds.

2. The most people I have seen twisting scripture the most are the pro-tithers e.g Olaadegbu, Bidam, Image123, Joagbaje, Gombs, Alwaystrue or abi na AlwaysLIE be that one name sef . These are chief scripture twisters on this forum as regards tithe. Scripture don't speak in tongues but very clear.

3. Who and who are arguing? Who lost and who won? Are you saying the pro-tithers don't insult us too. Both sides are guilty of insulting one another and I won't support one side against the other. In all, we should all be civic in our communication without resulting to insult.

4. Again, the greatest cunny people I have met in my whole life are, Olaadegbu, Bidam, Image123, Joagbaje, Gombs, Alwaystrue. Ask them questions, they will go in circle and give you scriptures that is far away from the point. They turn the table into something else. They are incapable of reasoning the scripture. Ask them simple logic question, they will attack your person and say you're too proud and using human knowledge to understand the word as if when the Holy Spirit teaches, he put the knowledge in the leg, not in our mind.

God bless u. Thr is no better way to say it. Balanced and Inspiring.
Glory to God!!

Wonder why many leaders believed d lie dt d church cannot survive without tithes.

God2man: I am very sad about this forum. I registered 2011, if i am not mistaken, there are over 100 threads on only one topic, TITHE, it is disheartening with the way they called old men of God that are old enough to be their fathers , thieves, fraudster, and that they are teaching nonsense, the Bible says, we should respect elders, there is no courtesy,a good christian must have the fruit of the spirit, up till now, i keep asking, are they Christians or Atheist? Because a good christian will not call old men of God thieves, it is not possibe, but this is in the dictionary of Anti-tithers. It is what you respect that comes into your life, if you want to grow old, you should respect your elders in the Christiandom, they are not Jesus, but they are the respresentatives of God on earth

There are more than enough topics in the Bible, i beg all of them to stop this overflogged, overdebated, tithe issue on nairaland, in fact, the moderators should delete any topic on Tithe, it is a bad thing for this forum to fight against what the whole churches in Nigeria stood for, i mean paying of tithe, i understand that some churches may not preach about tithe, one thing is sure, they will NEVER stop anybody from paying tithe to them. They will accept it, directly or indirectly.

The question is why are people so desperate to stop tithing from all churches, this is an exercise in futility, a waste of time, an insult to Nigerian churches, and it is like they are playing on our inteligence.

You can deceive one person at a time, but it is difficult to deceive everybody at the same time. If you think that you are smart and you know Bible, i think as a wise person, you should know that other people are smart, wise, intelligent and have a great knowledge about the Bible.

This is the scenario, i believe a smart person that comes to this forum with his theology will take a great disposition and humble himself to listen to opposing view, but this is not the case on nairalan, they will insult you, call you names and make you to hate the forum.

The owner of the forum may think this argument is favourable to him, but he has forgotten that what goes round comes around, it is counterproductive, very soon people will not like to visit this forum again.

Anti-tithers on nairaland have been adopting different strategies to achieve their aims.

1. They used different ID's

2. They twist the scripture.

3. When they lost the arguement, they will result to insult.

4. They are very cunny.


A word is enough for the wise.

God bless all my brethren on this forum.

God2man.

Man says, "Respect your elders."
God says, "Them that sin, rebuke before all."

I don't care if the elder is sixty or six hundred, if he is teaching the false doctrine that God requires 10% of my money or I will be cursed, I will rebuke him and expose him for the liar that he is.

Goshen360: I endorse this message. In fact, I get increase in my hourly pay without tithing. I have two jobs, both with paid insurance, vacation, sick leaves, medical, if I loose, God forbid, any of my immediate family, I get compensation, lots of benefits, drive Chevy cruise 2013 brand new etc all the grace of God of undeserved favor on me. Yet, I'm yet to witness any devourer, neither am I sick nor any of my family. It's all because of the grace of God, glory to God.

if all your above benefits are the result of God's curse on you, then I need God to curse me in the same manner. LOL

you are blessed, my Brother... not cursed. Keep preaching the Truth as it is written in God's Word. Expose these greedy pastors and teachers for the fraudsters they truly are.

God bless.

[quote author=m.k.o2005]Capital error ![/quote]Thank you for warning us that you were preparing to post a capital error. (as if we wouldn't have caught it anyway)

Jesus collected tithe,HE commended tithing and HE NEVER in any of HIS teaching admonish us against tithing !
If HE collected it & commended,how then do you expect me to stop giving it !

The Apostle Paul, who received the doctrines he taught from the Lord Jesus Christ, disagrees with you. Jesus Christ abolished the commandments contained in ordinances. (Eph. 2:14-15)

When Hebvrews was written, tithes were still being received by the Levites. This was at the same time that "there he revceiveth them". Christ was receiving the tithes that were being given to the Levites... those tithes were not monetary tithes. Rather, they were the tithes that were required under the Law... tithe of crops and livestock.

You were correct. Your post was indeed capital error.

God help us

Yes God, help them. Open the eyes and hearts of those who are being deceived into paying this man-made monetary tithe and let them see that you never authorized such a tithe to be received of pastors today. Let them see that their pastors have been lying to them and they are continuing that lie her on naira forums. Open their eyes to thy Word God that they may behold Thy wondrous truths and learn the Liberty that Christ has called His people into. Teach them to cast out the bondwoman, to cease their spiritual adultery that they commit every time they use the Mosaic/Levitic Law to justify their man-made monetary tithe requirement doctrine. Reveal to them the vanity that their worship is when they teach that man-made monetary tithe doctrine. In Jesus' name.

And all the Brethren said...

Do what you want with your money but don't cry poverty when rent and bills are due.

Tithing and the preeminence of churches is the worst example of the waste of resources (both time and material) endemic in Nigeria.

If you are saying this because someone refused to pay tithes, then it is a lie.

mmsen: Do what you want with your money but don't cry poverty when rent and bills are due.

And what about all those that pay tithes and cannot afford their rentage ?

Such foolish statement up their is for the foolish to buy.

You pick a stone and throw into a crowded market and say whoever the stone touches, is a theif. What rubbisb !

The stone is sure to hit someone even though he is not a theif.

For sure, their are people that will always once in a while feel economic crunch in this world, in Nigeria, America, and Europe and Asia, every where.
your statement and the likes from your frudulent pastors shows how deceitful you and them are.

Warran Buffet that is Very rich today use to struggle to stay afloat just like every hard working normal people, but your kinds that are lazy theives and without conscience and the fear of God, can come to a public forum and spur such rubbish when God himself said he makes his rain "falls on the roof of the righteouse and the unrighteous". THEIF !

Is that the way you manipulate the people God bought at great cost ? People that God bought with the blood of his own son ?

I really pity for you al

truthislight: And what about all those that pay tithe and cannot afford their rentage ?

Such foolish statement up their is for the foolish to buy.

You pick a stone and throw into a crowded market and say whoever the stone touches, is a theif. What rubbisb !

The stone is sure to hit someone even though he is not a theif.

For sure, their are people that will always once in a while feel economic crunch in this world, in Nigeria, America, and Europe and Asia, every where.
your statement and the likes from your frudulent pastors shows how deceitful you and them are.

Warran Buffet that is Very rich today use to struggle to stay afloat just like every hard working normal people, but your kinds that are lazy theives and without conscience and the fear of God, can come to a public forum and spur such rubbish when God himself said he makes his rain "falls on the roof of the righteouse and the unrighteous". THEIF !

Is that the way you manipulate the people God bought at great cost ? People that God bought with the blood of his own son ?

I really pity for you all

MMSen advice is for the tithe payers bro.

I just hope i was wrong.
[quote author=Demain_man]MMSen advice is for the tithe payers bro.[/quote]Hmmm! I just hope it is. Its sounds like one of those threath that tithes collectors use.

Talking about rent and the likes, it can happen to anybody, be you a tithe payer or a nontithe payer. When there is a lost of job, mogage problem, economic crises, it is not a pointer to God hating anybody.

However, working hard and planning ahead can help just anybody to ballance his finacial responsibilities.

Giving to God voluntarily wont make one not to meet his financial obligation.

Our complaint is on the deceit and intimidation that tithe collectors issues to people, and the bad name they give to God with their fraudulent acts using the bible.

I just hope his was not a threat..

The idea that since Melchizedek met Abraham with bread and wine and Jesus offered the same means they are one and the same person is tenuous; bread and wine was a simple refreshment for the journey because it lasted the longest

Deut 23:3-4 (ESV)
3 “No Ammonite or Moabite may enter the assembly of the Lord. Even to the tenth generation, none of them may enter the assembly of the Lord forever, 4 because they did not meet you with bread and with water on the way,

Nehemiah 13:1-3 (ESV)
1 On that day they read from the Book of Moses in the hearing of the people. And in it was found written that no Ammonite or Moabite should ever enter the assembly of God, 2 for they did not meet the people of Israel with bread and water, but hired Balaam against them to curse them—yet our God turned the curse into a blessing. 3 As soon as the people heard the law, they separated from Israel all those of foreign descent.

And Deut 2:29 as well. And note the similarity between that and the Last supper has been made hundreds of years before Oyaks was born. He did not receive this by revelation but by studying those before him

To claim that Jesus walked on earth before He was born of Mary is heretical

Where did Jesus say pay tithe? How does tithe benefit god? Do u Christians follow the exact guidelines as set in the bible for the tithe in my opinion black people tend to blend the old with the new in the old African cults you had to bribe gods and make offer rings to priests and so called witch doctors to be blessed . So now this new thing comes along and says Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice but the black man mind no fit stan dis ting so tithe was kept to replace all the animal sacrifice and the pastor could replace the dibia and the babalawo or whatever