Goshen360:

. . . but I will not be brought under the power of any, such as someone telling me must I enter every tithe thread.

bokom: Pls read and think of it ...,Pastors are building Empires for themselves.... These Pastors tell us 'law' came by moses, but 'grace' came by Jesus... They pray with the grace of Jesus, and collect money with the law of Moses. They are Christians, but nothing Christ-like about them anymore... Jesus Christ was a just man, who understood the principle of the 'widow's mite', but our today Pastors don't give a shit about widow's mite... The more you give, the more important you're in today's churches, irrespective of wether the money is ill-gotten or not. JUST GIVE!!!! The bible is now a weapon of mass deception... They twist the bible knowing that people are lazy to read. They collect 10% tithe, they collect welfare offering, they collect building offering, regular offering *all from one month's salary etc.... After which they will ask you to make vows and sow seeds at random! Haha!! Why won't they be billionaires?After collection, they build high profile schools, exotic Hotels and Hospitals for Politicians and their children, not caring about people who have been giving their widow's mite. The bible said "give that there may be meat in my store house"... God never said you should keep collecting after you have an overflow.
Otunba Fayo OgunkanmbiBOWEN UNIVERSITY N650,000 persemester, COVENANT UNIVERSITY N640,000 per semester, BENSON IDAHOSA N500,000 per semester, JABU450,000 per semester, BABCOCK UNIVERSITY N450,000 per semester, REDEEMERS UNIVERSITY N450,000 persemester, AJAYI CROWTHER UNIVERSITY N350,000 per semester, MADONNA UNIVERSITY 350,000 per semester. ALLOF THESE UNIVERSITIES WERE BUILTFROM TITHES AND OFFERINGS OF THECOMMON PEOPLE WHO NOW CAN'TAFFORD TO SEND THEIR CHILDREN THERE! where is the morals of thechurch going? These schools were all built with the sweats of their church members who kept sowing seeds; special offering seeds, first fruit seed,redemption seed, thanksgiving seed, harvest seed, tithes, pastor's birthday seed, church building seed, evangelism seed, father's day seed, mother's day seed, children' day seed, pastor's cake seed, olive oil seed, etc. These schls are now elite schools, only for the rich politician children. The gainers then use the profits to buy private planes $ jets to fly up high in luxury. While Warren Buffet who has a company that build jets, still fly around on public commercial jet. Meanwhile, their members sleep hungry & d next Sunday, they will read Malachi 3:6-12. If you think this is unfair, like me, please pass on dis msg because this is reality & we should start the change now! May God deliver us.

DrummaBoy:

Tithing as we have it today is false doctrine and the bible does not have kind words for people who propagate it. At worst, scriptures call them 'accursed', regardless of age.

Gospel isn't age; its TRUTH!

Bidam: Kindly show us from scripture where this lie you stated was mentioned.



What is truth..?Is tithe not written in your bible? Is the jewish God different from the gentile God? Is Jesus a pharisee?
Was Paul a pharisee? Are you not circumcised before you knew Christ and start reading the bible? Stop deceiving yourself abeg.

alexleo:

There is no where the bible said we should not pay tithe but there is a place it said we should pay tithe. There is a place that the bible allowed the sacrifice of animals for atonement of sin and there is a place it clearly cancelled it. There is a place the bible said we should keep the sabbath holy and there is a place it said that one man can esteem any day as holy while another do not, that both of them do it to the Lord. It went further to say let no man judge you concerning the sabbath day.... These are clear statements and that's how clear the scripture is. In the case of tithe no clear statement cancelling or condemning it rather what I ve been hearing is people telling me its for the levites, its for the priest, its not for christians, bla bla bla... I don't need anybody's interpretation because that's what has brought confusion in christianity. If they can't show me where tithe is outrightly cancelled ( making it a sin or abomination as they claim here) as in the case of the sacrifice of animal that I mentioned then it remains their personal opinion which I can't buy into.

Pastor Kun:

We have showed you were tithing was clearly abolished in the bible even though you refuse to accept it. Hebrews 7:5-19 is very unambiguous, verse 18 in that passage read in proper context makes it crystal clear that tithing has been abolished.

Bidam: Kindly show us from scripture where this lie you stated was mentioned.

DrummaBoy:

Galatians 1:8-9

That scripture is a sound word of rebuke to those who confuse law with grace; the very error of tithe advocates.

As for the other issue U raised on my post, a newbee on this forum, Bobbysworld28, has answered you very adequately.

Bidam: Yet Paul validate the usefulness of the Law in Rom 3:31,He even used the LAW to validate new testament principles in 1 COR 9:13 and 1 cor 14:34, so who is fooling who? definitely not Paul except you guys who are in the habit of twisting Paul letters an using the grace of God as a license for lawlessness.Peter was apt in calling you lawless and unstable minds.
He is ignorant concerning tithing predating the Law and the priesthood of Melchizedek which you guys tried to twist without success, More so he failed to see tithing was regulated under the Law and Christians tithe by Faith and not because the Law says so...

Pastor Kun:

We have showed you were tithing was clearly abolished in the bible even though you refuse to accept it. Hebrews 7:5-19 is very unambiguous, verse 18 in that passage read in proper context makes it crystal clear that tithing has been abolished.

Bidam: Can you show us where it was specifically abolished?I checked but i can't see where tithe was written there sir

alexleo:

I ve quoted the hebrew 7:1-28.
Verse 18 never talked about abolishing of tithe rather of the levitical priesthood (which is temporary) being replaced with a permanent one which is Jesus Christ. The core message of this place is not even tithe but its drawing a comparison between the levtical presthood, that of Melchizedec and Christ. Telling us how Christ, whose priesthood is permanent and came with an oat has sacrificed for our sin once and for all unlike that of the levitical priesthood which requires day to day sacrifice of animal twice for sin- one for the priest and the other for the rest of the people. And their priesthood did not come with an oat. Again that the priesthood of Christ is patterened like that of Melchizedec. The tithe that came in there wasn't even the core message and there is no place in this scripture that pointed clearly that tithe is cancelled but there is a place that it said that the day to day sacrifice for sin as it was in the levitical priesthood is no more there in Christ. Verse 25-27 above is clear on this. Kindly show me a clear statement such as that where tithe is cancelled. No stories pls. The bible is clear and simple to understand.

alexleo:
There is no where the bible said we should not pay tithe but there is a place it said we should pay tithe. There is a place that the bible allowed the sacrifice of animals for atonement of sin and there is a place it clearly cancelled it. There is a place the bible said we should keep the sabbath holy and there is a place it said that one man can esteem any day as holy while another do not, that both of them do it to the Lord. It went further to say let no man judge you concerning the sabbath day.... These are clear statements and that's how clear the scripture is. In the case of tithe no clear statement cancelling or condemning it rather what I ve been hearing is people telling me its for the levites, its for the priest, its not for christians, bla bla bla... I don't need anybody's interpretation because that's what has brought confusion in christianity. If they can't show me where tithe is outrightly cancelled ( making it a sin or abomination as they claim here) as in the case of the sacrifice of animal that I mentioned then it remains their personal opinion which I can't buy into.

alexleo:
... These are clear statements and that's how clear the scripture is. In the case of tithe no clear statement cancelling or condemning it rather what I ve been hearing is people telling me its for the levites, its for the priest, its not for christians, bla bla bla... I don't need anybody's interpretation because that's what has brought confusion in christianity. If they can't show me where tithe is outrightly cancelled ( making it a sin or abomination as they claim here) as in the case of the sacrifice of animal that I mentioned then it remains their personal opinion which I can't buy into.

Pastor Kun:

We've been through this before and you have been taught by several sound bible teachers so either you have english comprehension issues, you are thick in the skull or you are deliberately being ignorant.

Zikkyy:

Before you start looking for scripture to prove tithe been canceled, you need to first determine the nature of the tithe itself. If you define tithe as a tenth of income, you will not find scriptures that says tithe of income been canceled, cos tithe of income was never biblical. So, what tithe been canceled? It was the tithe instituted by God himself for the Israelite. Any other tithing practice is man made.

I believe the idea of giving a tenth or 10% of can never be canceled. Why? cos every giving is a percentage of something. While i agree that the act of giving a tenth of income to church or pastor may not be sinful, it can lead to display of un-Christ-like behaviours especially when the giving is not done with a sincere heart. The tithe gospel is a dangerous one cos it has the potential to promote greed, selfishness e.t.c.



What tithe are you paying? Tithe commanded/instituted by God or one instituted by Alexleo? It's very true God's tithe was for the Levites. It was never something for the Christian community to adopt as a command or requirement. You must understand that your giving a tenth of your income to your church is not the issue. The problem comes from pastors/tithers justifying the payment by reference to mosaic law. It is the gospel of giving a tenth of your income under mosaic law that is wrong.

alexleo:
I ve quoted the hebrew 7:1-28.
Verse 18 never talked about abolishing of tithe rather of the levitical priesthood (which is temporary) being replaced with a permanent one which is Jesus Christ. The core message of this place is not even tithe but its drawing a comparison between the levtical presthood, that of Melchizedec and Christ. Telling us how Christ, whose priesthood is permanent and came with an oat has sacrificed for our sin once and for all unlike that of the levitical priesthood which requires day to day sacrifice of animal twice for sin- one for the priest and the other for the rest of the people. And their priesthood did not come with an oat. Again that the priesthood of Christ is patterened like that of Melchizedec. The tithe that came in there wasn't even the core message and there is no place in this scripture that pointed clearly that tithe is cancelled but there is a place that it said that the day to day sacrifice for sin as it was in the levitical priesthood is no more there in Christ. Verse 25-27 above is clear on this. Kindly show me a clear statement such as that where tithe is cancelled. No stories pls. The bible is clear and simple to understand.

Pastor Kun: @Alexleo
As I have always said verse 5 is key to understanding that passage. Verse 5 makes it clear that the commandment to collect tithe is based on the law. Now the law and the priesthood as been abolished so why should tithe remain Fact is that tithe did not remain and was NEVER practised or taught by the early church until the catholic church re introduced it in 585AD for their own selfish reason. Tithing was never a christian doctrine established by Christ and the Apostles but an obvious latter day addition by greedy catholic priests.

Bidam: Can you show us where it was specifically abolished?I checked but i can't see where tithe was written there sir

alexleo:

I ve quoted the hebrew 7:1-28.
Verse 18 never talked about abolishing of tithe rather of the levitical priesthood (which is temporary) being replaced with a permanent one which is Jesus Christ. The core message of this place is not even tithe but its drawing a comparison between the levtical presthood, that of Melchizedec and Christ. Telling us how Christ, whose priesthood is permanent and came with an oat has sacrificed for our sin once and for all unlike that of the levitical priesthood which requires day to day sacrifice of animal twice for sin- one for the priest and the other for the rest of the people. And their priesthood did not come with an oat. Again that the priesthood of Christ is patterened like that of Melchizedec. The tithe that came in there wasn't even the core message and there is no place in this scripture that pointed clearly that tithe is cancelled but there is a place that it said that the day to day sacrifice for sin as it was in the levitical priesthood is no more there in Christ. Verse 25-27 above is clear on this. Kindly show me a clear statement such as that where tithe is cancelled. No stories pls. The bible is clear and simple to understand.

Pastor Kun: @Alexleo
As I have always said verse 5 is key to understanding that passage. Verse 5 makes it clear that the commandment to collect tithe is based on the law. Now the law and the priesthood as been abolished so why should tithe remain Fact is that tithe did not remain and was NEVER practised or taught by the early church until the catholic church re introduced it in 585AD for their own selfish reason. Tithing was never a christian doctrine established by Christ and the Apostles but an obvious latter day addition by greedy catholic priests.

Zikkyy:



5 Now the law requires the descendants of Levi who become priests to collect a tenth from the people--that is, their brothers--even though their brothers are descended from Abraham............

.......12 For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law.

Zikkyy:





.......12 For when there is a CHANGE of the priesthood, there must also be a CHANGE of the law.

Goshen360:





And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a COMMANDMENT to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:

Who is made, not after the law of a carnal COMMANDMENT , but after the power of an endless life.

For there is verily a disannulling of the COMMANDMENT GOING BEFORE for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

Goshen360:





And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a COMMANDMENT to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:

Who is made, not after the law of a carnal COMMANDMENT , but after the power of an endless life.

For there is verily a disannulling of the COMMANDMENT GOING BEFORE for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

Pastor Kun: @Alexleo
As I have always said verse 5 is key to understanding that passage. Verse 5 makes it clear that the commandment to collect tithe is based on the law. Now the law and the priesthood as been abolished so why should tithe remain Fact is that tithe did not remain and was NEVER practised or taught by the early church until the catholic church re introduced it in 585AD for their own selfish reason. Tithing was never a christian doctrine established by Christ and the Apostles but an obvious latter day addition by greedy catholic priests.

Alwaystrue:
14 For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe MOSES SPOKE NOTHING concerning PRIESTHOOD.
15 And it is yet far more evident if, in the likeness of Melchizedek, there arises another priest
16 who has come, not according to the law of a FLESHLY COMMANDMENT, but according to the power of an endless life.
17 For He testifies: “You are a priest forever According to the order of Melchizedek.”
18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the FORMER COMMANDMENT because of its weakness and unprofitableness,