₦airaland Forum

PassingShot:
Forget that Sharia law thing. Are you insinuating he will impose Sharia law on Nigeria? Do you really think it's possible by any stretch of imagination? Not possible in the 80's and never will it be possible in Nigeria to impose any state religion.

And if you beleive Buhari sponsors Boko Haram, then you are "brainwashed". Simple as ABC. The real sponsors of Boko Haram belong in PDP. It's not rocket science to know that if the opposition was responsible for Boko Haram palava, the PDP government would spend all their resources to expose them, embarass them and bring them to justice. Do you imagine how much boost and political points PDP will achieve by revealing the sponsors of BH to Nigeria and the whole world? Their continuation till 2019 and possibly beyond will even be more assured. but because they know that the sponsors are within them, they're unable to act.

I also see that you don't know the Nigerian who is better equipped than Buhari but you agree it's not Jonathan who can deliver us.

danielblessing:
did you just say am brainwashed?

PassingShot:
Can't you see that my statement is conditional? I said "... And if you beleive Buhari sponsors Boko Haram".

danielblessing:
I have a right to believe that he sponsors bh or not.Besides you are I have a right to believe that he sponsors bh or not.Besides you are muslim so why should you persuade christians?

WinsomeX:
The article in the OP should actually engender a healthy debate among Nigerians and this response from PastorKun is very welcome. Hopefully as we rub minds on the matter, our mindsets will change and we can all make informed decisions before casting out vote in 2015 and not vote on religious or ethnic sentiments. So thank you PastorKun for the detailed critique of the OP but permit me a rejoinder here. I will start with your last statement.



Sir, while you will have us believe that Buhari is not our messiah, you also will not recommend Jonathan. So what do we do? The OP clearly showed that the political indices are veering towards three individuals Jonathan, Atiku, and Buhari. Whatever our prejudices are against these fellows, we must choose one of them. The OP is simply making a case for the best of the lot. Truth is that most Nigerians will wish some other individuals will run for this exalted office. But as the case is, these are the options we have. It is on this premise, I believe, that the OP is making the case for Buhari.



I do not believe Buhari's qualities are overrated. In fact I think they are underrated. He was serving Nigeria faithfully in Borno state when IBB and his Boys overthrew Shagari. He was called to head the govt as the most senior officer. When he blocked means for the boys to be enrich themselves, IBB told him the boys are complaining. Buhari told him if they were unhappy with his rein on corruption they could have their govt. He was overthrown two weeks later. Outside this, most other commentaries on his private and public life are excellent. A colleague in my office who served in the NYSC with Buhari's daughter said that she kept her identity hidden. The soldiers later learnt who she was and were going to give her a private room. She refused it, Saying her father must not learn of it. My elder brother who lives close to one of Buhari's nephew home told us the story of how the young man, also named Muhhamadu Buhari, went around govt offices collecting contract using his uncle's name. When Buhari learnt of it, he ensured he returned each kobo and got him a legitimate job to do. The stories on this man abound and others can testify here too. So it is not overrated at all.



It is public knowledge how Buhari finances his campaigns. He alluded to this when he spoke of having to pay for the nomination form. He complained the cost was to high but said that he usually ensures he buys those forms himself. It betrays the fact that all other funds spent on the campaign come from people's good will. But his integrity will not allow him collect money from friends for the forms. He usually ensures he pays that himself.

On his political associates, I believe this reference is to Tinubu. The OP also answered that question in the last few paragraphs. Politics is a game of numbers. The more, the merrier. So a political party will consist of the good the bad and the ugly. A govt is different. The spirit and direction of a govt is usually that of the head. Buhari will certainly prevail over the corrupt elements in his party. As Christians we should pray that he does.



Again, here is an untrue statement. Buhari as head of state, military Commander and politician has shown to be an individual that is not driven by primordial tribal or religious mindsets. His detractors have continued to use it against him and have never been able to prove it. It's the usual practice in politics to give a dog a bad name so as to hang it. I might have to request that you provide the statements he made that made you conclude this on him or I will have to believe that you have taken this position from hearsay alone, like most Nigerians, and not from your own investigations.



Again we have another set of unsubstantiated claims here.

The success of Idiagbon are Buhari's successes bc he was his boss. Same as his failures would have been blamed on him.

On the suitcase saga, no such thing happened. Prof Tam David West, a man who worked closely with Buhari in those days, had explained many times that those stories were manufactured by his detractors. No one till date has provided proof that it happed bc it didn't.

On PTF, every region and state in this country had PTF projects. Contracts were awarded fairly and contractors duely paid. OBJ govt investigated Buhari's time at PTF and found nothing on him.

As for his opinion on Abacha. The man was his boss at the time. I cannot see him criticizing him. In 2011, its on records however that Buhari's party, CPC, distanced themselves from Abacha son, who was vying to rum on that platform.



The killings in the north after the election was two ways: Christians and Muslim were killed. There were many Muslim villages destroyed. Buhari should not be blamed for this. Rather, the govt of Jonathan, which lacked foresight because it was blinded by its rigging machinery that it didn't know that there was a potential for reprisals. It is this same lack of foresight we are still suffering from as a nation.

We have the choice of choosing the good or the better; or the bad or the worse. It is obvious which one we should choose. If you think Jonathan is good, is it not obvious that Buhari is better? If you think Buhari is bad, don't you see that Jonathan is worse?

I will love to read your response to this PastorKun.

WinsomeX:
I too could protest the moving of this thread to the politics section because the thread clearly states "Calling Christians...", the plea is to "religious people", Christians; thus the reason the OP thought it wise to put in the religion section at first. But I will not. I respect the decision of the moderators.

I however request the same mods who moved the thread from religion to politics, should also consider it for front page as the OP is a subject of interest for many Nigerians.

Gombs:
cry me a river... gist with them berem and obiageli and the likes in the APC band. You are a tiring hypocrite. later you would shout CAN and politics, now you want to politicize the religion section?

sit here and call on Christians, or are there non here? if you want to protest, make sure you do that here or general section or jokes section. Thank you

WinsomeX:
Welcome to the politics section, Baby Gombs.

Gombs:
i don't intend staying. I find here really really uncomfortable.

say me hi to TeamGEJ folks ummm like rossike, chukwudi44 etc

bye!

You can keep your cover here, they may not know you are same as Drummaboy, but we in Religion section do! Opssss...I just blew it

musKeeto:
If you want a party, vote Pdp. If you want a government, vote apc.

WinsomeX:
The article in the OP should actually engender a healthy debate among Nigerians and this response from PastorKun is very welcome. Hopefully as we rub minds on the matter, our mindsets will change and we can all make informed decisions before casting out vote in 2015 and not vote on religious or ethnic sentiments. So thank you PastorKun for the detailed critique of the OP but permit me a rejoinder here. I will start with your last statement.



Sir, while you will have us believe that Buhari is not our messiah, you also will not recommend Jonathan. So what do we do? The OP clearly showed that the political indices are veering towards three individuals Jonathan, Atiku, and Buhari. Whatever our prejudices are against these fellows, we must choose one of them. The OP is simply making a case for the best of the lot. Truth is that most Nigerians will wish some other individuals will run for this exalted office. But as the case is, these are the options we have. It is on this premise, I believe, that the OP is making the case for Buhari.



I do not believe Buhari's qualities are overrated. In fact I think they are underrated. He was serving Nigeria faithfully in Borno state when IBB and his Boys overthrew Shagari. He was called to head the govt as the most senior officer. When he blocked means for the boys to be enrich themselves, IBB told him the boys are complaining. Buhari told him if they were unhappy with his rein on corruption they could have their govt. He was overthrown two weeks later. Outside this, most other commentaries on his private and public life are excellent. A colleague in my office who served in the NYSC with Buhari's daughter said that she kept her identity hidden. The soldiers later learnt who she was and were going to give her a private room. She refused it, Saying her father must not learn of it. My elder brother who lives close to one of Buhari's nephew home told us the story of how the young man, also named Muhhamadu Buhari, went around govt offices collecting contract using his uncle's name. When Buhari learnt of it, he ensured he returned each kobo and got him a legitimate job to do. The stories on this man abound and others can testify here too. So it is not overrated at all.



It is public knowledge how Buhari finances his campaigns. He alluded to this when he spoke of having to pay for the nomination form. He complained the cost was to high but said that he usually ensures he buys those forms himself. It betrays the fact that all other funds spent on the campaign come from people's good will. But his integrity will not allow him collect money from friends for the forms. He usually ensures he pays that himself.

On his political associates, I believe this reference is to Tinubu. The OP also answered that question in the last few paragraphs. Politics is a game of numbers. The more, the merrier. So a political party will consist of the good the bad and the ugly. A govt is different. The spirit and direction of a govt is usually that of the head. Buhari will certainly prevail over the corrupt elements in his party. As Christians we should pray that he does.



Again, here is an untrue statement. Buhari as head of state, military Commander and politician has shown to be an individual that is not driven by primordial tribal or religious mindsets. His detractors have continued to use it against him and have never been able to prove it. It's the usual practice in politics to give a dog a bad name so as to hang it. I might have to request that you provide the statements he made that made you conclude this on him or I will have to believe that you have taken this position from hearsay alone, like most Nigerians, and not from your own investigations.



Again we have another set of unsubstantiated claims here.

The success of Idiagbon are Buhari's successes bc he was his boss. Same as his failures would have been blamed on him.

On the suitcase saga, no such thing happened. Prof Tam David West, a man who worked closely with Buhari in those days, had explained many times that those stories were manufactured by his detractors. No one till date has provided proof that it happed bc it didn't.

On PTF, every region and state in this country had PTF projects. Contracts were awarded fairly and contractors duely paid. OBJ govt investigated Buhari's time at PTF and found nothing on him.

As for his opinion on Abacha. The man was his boss at the time. I cannot see him criticizing him. In 2011, its on records however that Buhari's party, CPC, distanced themselves from Abacha son, who was vying to rum on that platform.



The killings in the north after the election was two ways: Christians and Muslim were killed. There were many Muslim villages destroyed. Buhari should not be blamed for this. Rather, the govt of Jonathan, which lacked foresight because it was blinded by its rigging machinery that it didn't know that there was a potential for reprisals. It is this same lack of foresight we are still suffering from as a nation.

We have the choice of choosing the good or the better; or the bad or the worse. It is obvious which one we should choose. If you think Jonathan is good, is it not obvious that Buhari is better? If you think Buhari is bad, don't you see that Jonathan is worse?

I will love to read your response to this PastorKun.

nuclearboy:
He's a personal friend and I promise you he will NOT respond (at least not coherently). He will retort with sweeping grandiose condemnation statements like "he is a relic" etc...... and it is so sad!

People forget you cannot vote for someone who isn't on the ballot and thus, the choice is limited to Buhari versus Jonathan. Moving along, I will show you how unreasonable hatred can make the otherwise "educated"

Nigerias' total annual budget in 1977, was 1.1 Billion naira. At this time, a Dollar exchanged for 79 kobo (Naira was Stronger). It was in the same year Kunle insists Buhari stole 2.8billion. Interestingly, even Saudi Arabia didn't earn 2 billion dollars in 1977. But Kunle insists 2.8 billion was stolen. Further, Nigerias total debt payment under same Buhari in 1984 when he was Head of State, was 50 million dollars!!!! So Buhari stole 3 budgets of Nigeria, according to "Pastor-Kun", at a time when we were paying 50 million Dollars as annual debt.

See how hatred can make one look foolish? Yet let him return here and unable to stand against these, he will ignore and move to 53 suitcases. After that, to Islam..... and then to the execution of 3 drug pushers and finally "he is old" and "knows nothing about computers in 2014".

So I advice you to not hold your breath expecting a decent rubbing of minds. It's like you telling Shekau to allow Oby Ezekwesili to teach him about decency - DOA.

But at least, his hatred (though a "Christian" may have served a purpose - one or two thinking people will read this post and know the truth about the 2.8 billion Dollar lie.

PastorKun:
My brother we have had too many heated/passionate arguments about this character called buhari so I believe there is nothing more to say as we are both bent on maintaining our positions. That said, I pray that Nigeria never has the misfortune of having a ruler like buhari in our history again. Amen.

nuclearboy:
Said it that you'd say nothing.

Thanks for confirming. By God's Grace, the best on the ballot will win in 2015 and if God determines Buhari is that man, He will be sworn in. Amen.

PS: Thats how Christians pray!

PastorKun:
There is no point going over this topic over and over again as buhari apologists have perfected lies which they promote to cover up up his inadequacies and some of you now believe these lies. For instance Buhari said Abacha was honest after Abacha had ied despite all the billions he stole. This statement wasn't made when Abacha was a junior officer to him. As I said I don't have the energy to continue repeating this over-flogged debate. Fact remains buhari has absolutely nothing positive to offer Nigeria and he is NOT the type of leader we need.

nonsoafm:
Biased judgement!! If he did so well thirty years ago as you said,then he has no business coming back there. The baba should rest and give vibrant people a chance

HolyHolla:
PastorKun, I agree with you that Buhari is not the type of leader we need. Give that desperate old fox a chance, and he could devour us all and spare only his associates. But on the other hand, Jona is not the type of leader we need either. He has shown that he can be devoured by foxes that take advantage of his lackadaisical style of leadership.

I note your preference for Atiku, but I don't trust that old leech either. With no visible source of enterprise, he has become stinkingly rich at the expense of our communal wealth. He steals everywhere he touches dry and it may just be business as usual for looters if he is given a chance. I see no achievement that man has ever made in any political office he has ever held in Nigeria.

Now, we are caught between the deep Red Sea and the forces of Paraoh. What do we do? God help us!

PastorKun:
I agree entirely with you but only Atiku seems to have a solid economic plan and is addressing real issues instead of throwing baseless political brick bats like the two other contenders. I agree with you that Atiku can't be trusted but I see him as the lesser of the three evils.

That said the best solution would have been for buhari to use his clout and influence to annoint a young, dynamic and forward thinking person to run for the presidency. Someone who has ideas and can still deliver but alas the old man is too egocentric, sees himself as a messaiah and believes Nigeria should revolve around him. He wants power at all cost even though he lacks ideas and has nothing to offer us. Even his anti corruption stance is suspect and a weakling like him can never sustain an effective anti corruption war in a democracy were he can easily be arm twisted or even impeached for attempting to fight it. It takes someone with guile and guts like his oga(obj) to do this and even then obj couldn't do it successfully how much less him.

As I have always said I would vote for whoever I believe is best posed to develop this country and to me buhari represents retrogression.

AIRDIG:
https://www.osundefender.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Buharis-cabinet-in-1984.png
Does the fact and figure below paint a portrait of an ethnic & religion fascist?
Are the media & Internet warriors feeding us with lies?
Are we trapped in the cycle of "crowd mentality"; parroting the lies & calumny of his enemies?
Are we capable of critical thinking and common-sense logic? You be the judge!

ANALYSIS OF THE 16 POSITIONS UNDER BUHARI'S GOVT (Note that Buhari's demography is highlighted in red font)
Religion
No of Muslim: 8
No of Christian: 8

Ethnicity I
Northerner: 10 = NC: 6 , NE: 3 , NW: 1
Southerner: 6 = SE: 2, SW: 2 , SS: 2

Ethnicity II
Middle-Belter: 5
Hausa: 2 + Fulani: 1
Yoruba: 3
Igbo: 2
Niger Deltan: 2
Kanuri: 1

Key Position
Chief of staff: Muslim Northerner (Military)
Defense: Christian Northerner (Military)
Finance: Christian Southerner (Civilian)
Energy: Christian Southerner (Civilian)
Justice: Christian Southerner (Civilian)

Civilian/Military Demography
Civilian: 9
Military: 7

elisa121s:
wat i mine waitin 4: He is d man I see it cumin, surely I wil vote 4 him. Ride on sir, unlike d lasy man we cal our president who has a dead head rite frm his childhood