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Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by Nobody: 3:34am On Oct 28, 2014 |
1. You think “it hasn’t been observed” is a good argument against it. Popularized most recently by Ray Comfort’s mind-bendingly bad, gospel-poisoning movie, “Evolution vs. God,” this claim generally betrays not only a misunderstanding of evolution, but science in general. If the idea (that “scientific evidence must be both observable and repeatable”) were carried to its logical conclusion, it would cripple not only the study of evolution, but every line of historical inquiry. We would, in fact, be prohibited from exploring most matters that cannot be brought inside or recreated within a laboratory, whether they be large (the composition and origin of stars, for example) or small (like the forensic recreation of a crime scene). Making viable conclusions based on inferences from the available evidence is not at all unscientific, and it is this reasoning that has compelled us toward the theory of evolution. Interestingly, evolution is observable and repeatable in the sense that scientists can make and test predictions of the theory, and this is exactly what they have been doing for more than a century. For example, the theory of evolution predicts that large-scale changes, like those that turned fishy ancestors into land-treading mammals, take many millions of years, so the fact that we haven’t observed anything like that since Darwin is a confirmation of his idea. If the fossil record, genetic evidence, laboratory experiments and more had not borne out this and other predictions, it would have immediately required modifications to the theory, and may have falsified it altogether. This, of course, is the defining characteristic of science: Not that is observable and repeatable, but that it is testable and falsifiable. There is very little that fit the former criteria, but evolution absolutely fits the latter. As a side note, I do get a chuckle from YECs who claim evolution isn’t scientific because it isn’t observable or repeatable. Because, if anything is not observable or repeatable, it’s creationism. Therefore, their beliefs, too, are invalidated by their own argument. 2. You think we’ve never found a transitional fossil. This claim is demonstrably false, and its use by those who claim to serve the Lord through whom came grace and truth is reprehensible. Strong language, I know, but Christians are explicitly commanded not to lie to each other, so this is inexcusable. We have found fossil series that clearly illustrate the transitions of dozens of major features in various lines. We have found “fishapods” and “frogamanders” and walking whales and feathered dinosaurs and half-shelled turtles. We have often and repeatedly found exactly what the theory of evolution predicted we would find, in the time period in which the theory predicted we would find it. 3. You think macroevolution is an inherently different process than microevolution. At its core, “macroevolution” is simply the steady accumulation of the small changes we observe in “microevolution.” It seems any sane person must admit that, if small changes can occur, then it is logically consistent that small changes adding up over extremely long periods of time would result in very large changes. On the other hand, the creationist assertion that there is some mysterious, invisible barrier within “kinds” that prevents large- scale changes is as logically consistent as saying you can walk from your front door to the sidewalk, but walking to your friend’s house across town is fundamentally impossible. 4. You think mutations are always negative. This is another one of those incredibly common and completely untrue statements that nothing more than a few minutes’ research on the Internet could have corrected. The truth is that mutations in nature are usually neutral — i.e., they have no effect on the gene or resulting protein. Of course, whether a mutation has a positive or negative effect — or no effect at all — is often dependent on environmental factors (for example, sickle cell anemia is a genetic disease, but it also protects against malaria — making it either a defect or a survival mechanism depending on one’s environment). Mutations that are inherently harmful are very rare. A 2000 study in Genetics showed that on average, out of 175 mutations in humans, only three are deleterious. And purely beneficial mutations have been observed, even in humans. Just ask the handful of villagers at Limone sul Garda, Italy, who possess a rare protein mutation that shields them from cardiovascular disease. I doubt they’re complaining. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by Nobody: 3:37am On Oct 28, 2014 |
5. You think it has anything to do with the origin of life, let alone the origins of the universe. This is like the king of all straw men, and it’s extremely common. It involves something like the thoroughly debunked theory of spontaneous generation (the idea that life can come from non-life under normal circumstances) being used as evidence against the theory of evolution. Hear me on this, guys: Evolution has nothing to do with the origin of life. The theory of evolution presumes the existence of life, and it is a useless concept in the absence of life. And, as such, scientists’ current confusion over how life started has no impact whatsoever on the validity of the theory of evolution. In the same way, Newtonian physics presumes the existence of the universe; Newton did not have to explain how the universe came to be in order to understand how it operates now. Evolution is no different. I’ve even seen people use things like stars and planets, or the supposed implausibility of the Big Bang theory (the cosmological model, not the show), to try and cast aspersions on the prevailing theory of how biological organisms on earth have come to look the way they do. These attempts are so nonsensical that I hope I don’t really need to address them here. 6. You use the phrase “it’s only a theory” and think you’ve made some kind of substantive statement. I think the “only a theory” argument is so popular because of the unfortunate disparity between the common definition of “theory” in American pop culture, and the working definition of the word in science. In popular usage, “theory” means a “hunch” or a “guess” — and it’s the opposite of a “fact.” It’s conjecture, a shot in the dark that has just as much chance (and probably even more so) of being wrong as it has of being right. In science, this definition is far more consistent with a “hypothesis” than a theory. Hypotheses are guesses; they are subject to experimentation, and they have no hope of progressing beyond the hypothesis “stage,” unless they are supported by experimentation. Theories are hypotheses that have “graduated”; they are comprehensive explanations of the available hard evidence. Scientific theories are not the opposite of facts; they are actually superior to facts in the hierarchy of terms because they explain facts. And while it is true that scientific theories can never really be “proven,” they can be confirmed through prediction, testing, experimentation and observation — which is exactly what has happened to evolution for the past 150 years. Consider gravity. What is it? We don’t know. It is a theory, created to explain facts like “When I drop something, it falls down.” Gravity is, in fact, “only a theory,” just like evolution. But that doesn’t seem to make people any less nervous around heights. 1 Like 2 Shares |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by Nobody: 3:39am On Oct 28, 2014 |
7. You think acceptance of evolution is the same as religious faith. Another one that you may have heard from our friend, Banana Ray. In his film “EvG” (which is subtitled, “Shaking the Foundations of Faith”), he underscores this supposed parallel by asking his victims — oh, I mean, “interview subjects” — ridiculous questions like “Are you a strong believer in evolution?” and “When did you first start believing in evolution?” His point, as he goes on to explain, is that anyone who accepts the truth of evolution based on the testimony of expert scientists is relying on “blind faith” in the same way atheists accuse religious people of doing. “Blind faith” does indeed have pejorative connotations in secular usage, but RayCo lends credence to these undertones in a way that no True Christian™ should. That’s because the Bible talks about “blind” religious faith, and its description is anything but negative. In John 20:29, Jesus declares that those who “believe without seeing” are “blessed” (contrasting them with “doubting” Thomas, who asked for proof), and 1 Peter 8-9 warmly declares that those who have not and do not see Christ nonetheless are “filled with an inexpressible and glorious joy, for you are receiving the end result of your faith, the salvation of your souls.” So, ironically, if RayCo really understood scripture he would realize that he was actually giving his victims — er, “interview subjects” — a compliment when he accused them of having “blind faith.” But I reject his assertion that the trust college students place in their experienced professors and peer-reviewed textbooks is in any way comparable to the glorious, joy-bringing, life-saving faith that the Bible describes. Don’t misunderstand me. I’m a big supporter of critical thought — and of an engaged populace that rationally considers the information it receives before accepting it. But there are far worse people one could open one’s mind to than those who are sharing their expertise within the fields they have risen to the top of — especially when their conclusions are based on mountains of hard evidence that are available to anyone who doesn’t willfully choose to ignore it. The scientific community is extremely competitive, but it is also inherently open and transparent — and the modern comforts and advances you enjoy every day are proof that their methods work. 8. You think our modern understanding of it rests on a long series of hoaxes perpetuated by scientists. Affirmed by the likes of everyone’s favorite nut-job conspiracy theorist meets cartoonist, Jack Chick, this idea is alive and well in evangelical culture. And why shouldn’t it be? Repeatedly assured by young-earth creationist groups that there is “absolutely no evidence for evolution,” what else would explain the theory’s unshakable dominance in the scientific community, courts and public schools besides a vast atheist conspiracy? And so, young- earthers on the Internet commonly parrot blatant falsehoods like “Archaeopteryx was a hoax” (they’re actually thinking of this; we have more than a dozen verified specimens of Archaeopteryx) and “Java Man and Peking Man were frauds” (not actually true; probably because of Piltdown Man, creationists seem to believe that any fossil with the word “man” in its name was a hoax). The truth is that we have found fossilized remains of many of the links along our most recent evolutionary heritage, and anyone who thinks we haven’t is simply wrong. But what I find most interesting thing in the cases of Archaeoraptor, Piltdown Man and Nebraska Man (an accidental misclassification rather than a deliberate hoax), it was scientists — not skeptical creationists — that brought the truth to light. That alone should be enough to sink this conspiracy theory nonsense. Why would the very people who are supposed to be perpetuating a hoax be solely responsible for debunking evidence that would otherwise support their hoax? They answer is obvious: They wouldn’t. |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by Nobody: 3:43am On Oct 28, 2014 |
9. You don’t like Pokémon because you think it “promotes” evolution. I haven’t encountered this sentiment in my dealings on this site, thankfully, but I was reminded of this “controversy” after the recent release of the latest entries in the Pokémon franchise, which I think are called Pokémon Yin and Yang, or Pokémon Peanut Butter and Jelly, or Pokémon Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus. Something like that. Here is what the Pokémon version of evolution has in common with the theory of biological evolution as we understand it. No. 1: They’re both called “evolution.” No. 2: That’s it. In the game, Pokémon “evolve” into completely different creatures when they reach a certain level, or walk a certain number of steps, or are exposed to a “moon stone” and similar malarkey. In real life, species “evolve” when inheritable characteristics change over time and are passed onto successive generations. Plain and simple: If a silly game causes you psychological discomfort just because it uses the word “evolution,” then it would seem you have problems I’m not trained or licensed to help you out with. 10. You think it’s inherently opposed to Christianity or the Bible. Evolution, as defined by Helena Curtis and N. Sue Barnes in their textbook, “Biology,” is “any change in the frequency of alleles within a gene pool from one generation to the next.” It is beyond me how accepting this fact of science could possibly undermine one’s faith in Jesus — from whom originated all things which science is capable of exploring. Christ is before all things, and in him all things hold together. Therefore, if evolution is true — as everything we know about biology, and a number of overlapping fields of inquiry indicate — then it is incapable of conflicting with the God-breathed truth of sacred scripture. If there appears to be a disagreement between the two, then the interpretation of the passage in question must be incorrect. For the Bible-believing Christian, there is no other option. Link;www.godofevolution.com/the-top-10-signs-that-you-dont-understand-evolution-at-all/ |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by nobilis: 5:58am On Oct 28, 2014 |
OP, I commend you foe a job well done. this post was clearly expository. But my fear is that it will fail to achieve anything here because the Christians (and other religious people) here have chosen to close their minds to anything that even remotely seems contrary to the words in their Bible. Sometimes I wonder if the power to think And reason and see the truth for themselves was denied the adherents of these religions. But your post was very educative. Thanks for sharing. |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by StealthyMe(m): 6:54am On Oct 28, 2014 |
Okay...so Evolution might just be true My question is why then has it stopped? Or why have apes or whatever stopped evolving into humans ? |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by Blakjewelry(m): 7:11am On Oct 28, 2014 |
nice write up, the only way for all these religious guys to understand evolution is to know that God created a dynamic and self sustaining system rather than stagnant system |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by missdebs(f): 7:46am On Oct 28, 2014 |
Blakjewelry:100 likes |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by alexis007(m): 8:15am On Oct 28, 2014 |
i have my mind sealed off and unaffected by a set of horrible,fake and fallible theories.Could it be because i'm a Christain?Hell No!...I think it's more like because no one is offering a cool,cogent explanations to the theories since Charles Darwins died,not even from CERN or any other ultra-scientific institutions.Even Einstein carefully distanced himself from those theories invented in the moments of scientific idiocy.And mr op,even your own post is flawed[I sincerely doubt he's the original writer of this treatise]....You wönder @ how theories of evolution attack the existence of God and the credibility of christanity....After posting such an educative article[God alone knows who's getting educated by this,because i did the entire reading with a look of scorn in my face]...you displayed ignorance for someone so learned to come up with post number 10......For God's sake,Darwins was a certified atheist!...and i don't expect him in his time...just as a couple of atheists on NL these days....not to question God's existence and mock religion....HIS THEORY OF EVOLUTION WAS A SEEMINGLY PERFECT WAY OF ACHIEVING THAT! 2 Likes |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by logicboy01: 9:04am On Oct 28, 2014 |
alexis007: You are not well. |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by Blakjewelry(m): 9:44am On Oct 28, 2014 |
alexis007:my brother, the beauty of a real scientist is not to let his belief come between his work, but that is hard to come by when you belong to setting religion because one sentiment must come into play not because you are directly questioning the existence of God but because you might end up questioning the very foundation on which your belief is laid. one of the biggest problem in both Christianity and Islam is that many people take the book of genesis at face value without taking cognisance of the ancient Semitic language with which it was written |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by Nobody: 11:31am On Oct 28, 2014 |
nobilis:you welcome |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by Nobody: 11:32am On Oct 28, 2014 |
StealthyMe:your questions show you dont know how evolution works. Evolution hasnt stopped, human beings are evolving, you dont just seem to understand it. |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by Nobody: 11:52am On Oct 28, 2014 |
alexis, i understand you, the way you're feeling, you feel that accepting evolution changes everything about your belief, you 're not wrong. Now this is it, stop calling evolution a belief system, fake or fallible stories, it is a scientific theory that has be proven (which took over 200 years). You guys dont seem to have problem with other theories like gravitation, germ theory simply because it doesnt threaten your beliefs though it took a while before you accept that too even in the process killing some scientists. This explains why we dont have some gravitationalist who believe in gravitation. Biologist and others have acheived alot through evolution, we can now answer many questions we cant before, we can now trace many diseases back as thousands years back. So many. Einstein was a physicist, he wasnt a biologist, why would he not separate himself. In science, we dont display ignorance like in any other field, watch scientific debates and you'd know what i'm saying. A neuroscientist wont pretend to know more about the cosmos than an astrophysicist, it doesnt work like that. I wasnt the original writer sure, he was an atheist but he was afraid of what they might do to him so he told his friend T.X Huxley to coin to term Agnostic for him. Darwin was a shy person with a religious wife, what do you expect? This is example of what religion can do to you my brother, yes, it shuts your reasoning. Yes, it makes you satisfies with illogical answers and many more. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by StealthyMe(m): 11:59am On Oct 28, 2014 |
Peterken05: You're totally right...i really don't know anything about evolution Mind educating me a bit? So,the humans that are evolving...what'll they turn to after a complete phase of evolution ? |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by alexis007(m): 2:28pm On Oct 28, 2014 |
Blakjewelry:so?...you got the book of genesis in the 'ancient semitic language' version?......mtschewww.....i doubt you do...unless your ancestors were among the knight templars who scavenged on Jerusalem's ruins after its fall looking for the holy grail and other treasured relics... |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by alexis007(m): 2:34pm On Oct 28, 2014 |
logicboy01:say something more articulate...abi i'm about to beat you and peter at your game? |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by alexis007(m): 3:21pm On Oct 28, 2014 |
Peterken05:take a second look @ your last paragraph....you claim the theories bear no grudge against religion....yet the same you mock religion...Listen bro,wia you are 2day,i've been there before,and i tell you;either arrogance or depression,or the both,are responsible for the making of an atheist....In arrogance,you refuse to attribute your success to the workings of an Infinite being,question the reverence accorded to Him in churches,mosques,temples and pagodas,feel you should be the one earning the glory etc...in depression,you blame your losses and crises on Him and even reason that He's either nön-existent or a sadist who takes secret pleasure in your sufferings.....I studied darwin's theories the 1st time i encountered them and i told myself that these won't survive four centuries before they get debunked[didn't know why i thought as much @ the time]and funny enough,some in your fold[nature scientists and cosmologists alike] have invalidated darwin's theories ruthlessly[i understand your feeling on reading this,you must surely be screaming 'TRAITORS!' by now...please do take your fone with you when you die.you'd need to kol someone from the grave after 200 years and ask them about the theory of evolution....certainly you'd get 'NOW EXTINCT' 4 an answer]....meanwhile, religion has stayed on for centuries despite cruel persecutions...you know why?...BECAUSE OIL WOULD ALWAYS FLOAT NO MATTER HOW MUCH WATER YOU POUR UPON IT!!... 2 Likes |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by AgentOfAllah: 3:37pm On Oct 28, 2014 |
StealthyMe: The way you have framed your question betrays a deep lack of understanding. Apes haven't stopped evolving into humans, humans are apes that are still evolving. So it hasn't stopped. The humans of 100,000 years ago aren't the same as today's humans. |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by Nobody: 3:43pm On Oct 28, 2014 |
StealthyMe: lol, funny, its not like we're going to turn to something else. For example, when someone says evolution of nairaland, it doesnt mean nairaland changes it layout e.t.c overnight, it simply means how nairaland has been changing, 1st it was like button, now we have share button. Now back to humans, for example we are losing our wisdom because we no longer eat foilages, our brains are shrinking, e.t.c all these due to either natural selection or genetic mutation. |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by Nobody: 3:50pm On Oct 28, 2014 |
@alexis, i dont know what you're saying about depression or arrogance. I dont know about nature scientist and cosmologist debunking evolution theory either. Why would a cosmologist debunked evolution? I still cant grasp what you're trying to say. |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by StealthyMe(m): 5:58pm On Oct 28, 2014 |
AgentOfAllah: Yes,you're right...am totally ignorant in matters regarding evolution So,you said apes haven't stopped evolving into humans Please what is your proof and how certain are you ? If they are still evolving into humans,why then are there still apes that grow old and die without evolving? And since you stated that 'humans' are apes still evolving,which animal would human evolve into next in the evolution chain? |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by StealthyMe(m): 6:03pm On Oct 28, 2014 |
Peterken05: Ok..Thanks a ton for the explanation! I totally understand your post Can you pls refer me to a link/page where a detailed evolution of apes to human was explained? Would be grateful if you did... |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by StealthyMe(m): 6:08pm On Oct 28, 2014 |
Peterken05, pls i was just wondering... If apes underwent evolution and finally evolved into humans , why then will humans undergo evolution and not finally evolve into something else? |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by AgentOfAllah: 8:12pm On Oct 28, 2014 |
StealthyMe: There are several types of apes, right? Humans are just one species. All apes are still evolving, including humans. Evolution is not a discrete interval point, it's a continuous chain. We may not stop calling ourselves humans, but our physiology and anatomy are changing ever so gradually. For example, there was a time humans could ingest raw meat with no problem, now, such exotic diets are increasingly becoming a luxury our systems can't accommodate. Evolution does not require one species to end in order for another to thrive. Their environments are vastly different so too are their resulting evolutional paths. Mind you, in the case of humans and all the other existing apes, our common ancestor is no more, so while existing apes will thrive in the environments they are suited for, they will not do very well in environments adapted for humans. As for proof, the wiki page is a good starting point. |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by Nobody: 8:21pm On Oct 28, 2014 |
StealthyMe: apes didnt evolve to humans, apes and humans have the same ancestry, these are two different things. |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by sammy329(m): 8:37pm On Oct 28, 2014 |
StealthyMe:evolution has not stop, it is just too slow for you to observe |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by Blakjewelry(m): 9:44pm On Oct 28, 2014 |
alexis007:even though the true copies of the ancient scripts are not available today, there copies which date far back and their are available excavated ancient relic from surrounding areas which can point to some form of writing back then. |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by Adesam09(m): 10:22pm On Oct 28, 2014 |
OK.. |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by Timmytimmy: 10:51pm On Oct 28, 2014 |
The problem with NL is that a lot of opinions are accepted by the general public as truth, simply because they were intelligently presented. OP, with all due respect sir, a very large part of what you posted here is not remotely true but of course a very large number of people will stumble on it and think they have struck gold. Since, I don't have the time to disprove a lot of what has been said here, I'll beg everyone that sees this to do their own personal investigation. I'll end by addressing the OP, this your post has an innocent "scientific" look but has a lot of anti-religious undertones.If you want to be a true scientist, please take out all the sentiments attached and allow people come to their conclusion. Gracias. |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by alexis007(m): 11:38pm On Oct 28, 2014 |
Blakjewelry:and you got them in your personal library?or you've visited a museum and saw them on display?.....wait a minute...are you,in a way,trying to say that the original manuscripts of Genesis had theory-of-evolution undertones,and that mischievious translators expunged those undertones in a naughty attempt to distance science from religion?My friend,you better have something meaningful to say b4 i arraign you b4 the Inquisition and charge you with 1st-degree heresy... |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by alexis007(m): 12:09am On Oct 29, 2014 |
Peterken05:you don't know what i was trying to say about depression and arrogance?read again bro.....i'm sure you've got enough brain cells to help you interprete the message i was trying to convey....and why would a cosmologist debunk evolution?....lemme get you an answer...now just like dis theory of evolution,the 'big bang' theory[you see where the 'cosmologist comes in]is regarded as an atheistic notion by many religious folks......these 2 theories[the big bang and the evolution ish]...attack the credibility of the creation story in Genesis directly.For against perfect design and pre-meditated,non-evolutionary stagnancy of living organisms...the Big bang theory and darwin's evolution ish supports life on earth starting and expanding by an unforeseen,undesigned amd unmanned streak of chance...and if you're yet to know that both theories complement each other,then you're a learner.......Now,about the debunking part,Google is always there for you...you surely know how to ask questions on it....get to know people who 'killed' these two principal atheistic theories and see why Charles Darwins could make Guiness book of records as the most ridiculous joker of all time... |
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