Petroleum Training Institute (PTI) Currently Recruiting by cyprel(m): 3:40pm On Nov 18, 2014 |
Vacant Positions
JOB TITLE: Lecturer Officer II (Welding Engineering and Offshore Technology) Qualification: B.Eng/B.Sc Material & Metallurgy/ Mechanical; Welding /Marine or Production Engineering; Minimum of Second Class Honours Lower Division; A higher degree will be an added advantage. Experience/Specialisation: Two years post NYSC cognate experience;? Welding, Material Testing, NDT, Subsea Operation.
JOB TITLE: Diving Instructor (Welding Engineering and Offshore Technology) Qualification: HSE Class II Diving Certificate or ITS Equivalent; Minimum of ND in Welding and Fabrication/Electrical/Mechanical Engineering Technology or Marine Biology. Experience/Specialisation Two years cognate experience; Chamber Operator, Equipment Maintenance, Dive Medic & First Aid.
JOB TITLE: Job Title: Diving Technician (Welding Engineering and Offshore Technology) Qualification: Commercial Diving Class 1; ND or City & Guilds Part II & ITS Equivalent in Mechanical Engineering/Welding Fabrication Technology. Experience/Specialisation Four years cognate experience; Equipment Maintenance & First Aid.
JOB TITLE: Machinist (Welding Engineering and Offshore Technology) Qualification: ND or City; ND or City & Guilds Part II & ITS Equivalent in Mechanical Engineering Technology. Experience/Specialisation: Four years cognate experience; Lathe, Milling and Drilling Machine Operations.
JOB TITLE: Petroleum Engineering Lecturer Officer II (Petroleum Engineering and Geosciences) Qualification: S.c Engineering with a minimum of Second Class Lower Division; A higher degree will be an added advantage. Experience/Specialisation Two years post NYSC cognate experience; COREN registrable and any other relevant professional body.
JOB TITLE: Mining Engineering Lecturers Officer II ((Petroleum Engineering and Geosciences) Qualification: S.c Engineering with a minimum of Second Class Lower Division; A higher degree will be an added advantage. Experience/Specialisation: Two years post NYSC cognate experience; COREN registrable and any other relevant professional body.
JOB TITLE: Technologists (Petroleum Engineering and Geosciences) HND Petroleum Engineering with at least Lower Credit; Experience/Specialisation Two years post NYSC cognate experience in the Oil Industry.
Job Title: Technicians (Petroleum Engineering and Geosciences) Qualification: ND Petroleum/ND Mineral Resources Engineering with at least Lower Credit; Experience/Specialisation Four years post experience.
JOB TITLE: Rig Electricians (Petroleum Engineering and Geosciences) Qualification: C&G/NABTEB; ND Equivalent. Experience/Specialisation Four years experience (Hands-on).
JOB TITLE: Rig Mechanics (Petroleum Engineering and Geosciences) Qualification: C&G/NABTEB; ND Equivalent. Experience/Specialisation: Four years experience (Hands-on); Rig experience on maintenance/ repairs of flat diesel engine, mud pumps, compressor.
JOB TITLE: Lecturer Officer 1 (Petroleum and Natural Gas Processing) Qualification: Minimum of M. Eng/ Chemical Engineering. Experience/Specialisation Minimum of two years post NYSC cognate experience; Knowledge of relevant computer application software.
JOB TITLE: : Lecturer Officer 11 A (Petroleum and Natural Gas Processing) Qualification: Minimum of B.Sc/B.Eng Chemical Engineering at least Second Class Lower Division; A higher degree will be an added advantage. Experience/Specialisation: Minimum of two years post NYSC cognate experience; Knowledge of relevant computer application software.
JOB TITLE: Lecturer Officer 11 B (Petroleum and Natural Gas Processing) Qualification: Minimum of B.Sc/B.Eng Gas Engineering at least Second Class Lower Division; A higher degree will be an added advantage. Experience/Specialisation Minimum of two years post NYSC cognate experience; Knowledge of relevant computer application software.
JOB TITLE: Lecturer Officer 11 C (Petroleum and Natural Gas Processing) Qualification: Minimum of B.Sc Chemistry/ Industrial Chemistry at least Second Class Lower Division; A higher degree will be an added advantage. Experience/Specialisation: Minimum of two years post NYSC cognate experience; Knowledge of relevant computer application software.
JOB TITLE: Technologist II (Petroleum and Natural Gas Processing) Qualification: HND Polymer Engineering Technology with a minimum of Lower Credit. Experience/Specialisation: Minimum of two years post NYSC cognate experience in Plastic Processing (Calendaring, Injection, Extrusion and Blow Molding); Knowledge of relevant computer application software.
JOB TITLE: ICT System Technologist/Administrator (Consult) Qualification: Sc/HND in Computer Science or Electrical/Electronic Engineering. Experience/Specialisation: Three years post NYSC cognate experience in LAN/WAN, Information Technology Infrastructure, System/Security Management; CCNA, CCNP, MCTS, MCSE experience in installation and maintenance of VSAT, Database management, Mikrotik deployment & administration, Microsoft Server Technology; Ability to design solutions in Cisco products and services.
JOB TITLE: Laboratory Technician (Consult) Qualification: ND in Science Laboratory/ PTI; ND in PNGPD Tech. Experience/Specialisation: Four years cognate experience.
JOB TITLE: Catering Officer (Consult) Qualification: Sc/HND Hotel and Catering Management. Experience/Specialisation: Two years post NYSC cognate experience.
JOB TITLE: Project Management Officer (Consult) Qualification: Sc Project Management/B.Sc Business Administration, Social Science and Humanities. Experience/Specialisation: Six years post NYSC cognate experience; Good Computer/IT knowledge.
JOB TITLE: Printing Technician (Consult Press) Qualification: ND in Printing Technology. Experience/Specialisation: Four years post NYSC cognate experience; Possession of good computer skills in both hardware and software.
JOB TITLE: Graphic Designer (consult Press) Qualification: HND in Graphic Arts. Experience/Specialisation: Six years post NYSC cognate experience; Good Computer/IT knowledge.
JOB TITLE: Lithographer (Consult Press) Qualification: ND in Printing Technology. Experience/Specialisation: Four years post NYSC cognate experience.
JOB TITLE: Printing Technologist (Consult Press) Qualification: HND in Printing Technology. Experience/Specialisation: Six years post NYSC cognate experience; Good Computer/IT knowledge.
JOB TITLE: Technician 1 (Petroleum and Natural Gas Processing) Qualification: HND Polymer Engineering Technology with a minimum of Lower Credit. Experience/Specialisation: Minimum of four years post NYSC cognate experience as Operator in Plastic Processing (Calendaring, Injection, Extrusion and Blow Molding); Knowledge of relevant computer application software.
JOB TITLE: Computer Technologist (Library) Qualification: HND in Computer Science or Computer Engineering with a minimum of Lower Credit; Certification in SUN JAVA, ORACLE, 12G, CCNA & CCNP SECURED. Experience/Specialisation: Two years post NYSC cognate experience.
JOB TITLE: Officer II (Library) Qualification: A Bachelor degree in Library Science with a minimum of Second Class Lower Division. Experience/Specialisation: Two years post NYSC cognate experience.
JOB TITLE: Lecturer Officer II (Mechanical Engineering) Qualification: Eng & M. Eng Mechanical Engineering. Experience/Specialisation: Two years post NYSC cognate experience; Material and Metallurgy Bias.
JOB TITLE: Pharmacist (Occupational Health and Safety) Qualification: Pharam. Experience/Specialisation: Minimum of two years post NYSC cognate experience.
JOB TITLE: Lecturer Officer II A (Mechanical Engineering) Qualification: Eng Mechanical Engineering with minimum of Second Class Lower Division; A higher degree will be an added advantage. Experience/Specialisation: Two years post NYSC cognate experience; Material and Metallurgy Bias.
JOB TITLE: Nurse (Occupational Health and Safety) Qualification: WASC, SRN, Plus SRM. Experience/Specialisation: Minimum of four years post SRN qualification cognate experience.
JOB TITLE: Secretary (Registry) Qualification: HND or equivalent qualification in Secretarial Studies with a minimum of Lower Credit. Experience/Specialisation Minimum of two years post NYSC experience.
JOB TITLE: Lecturer Officer II B (Mechanical Engineering) Qualification: Eng Mechanical Engineering with minimum of Second Class Lower Division; A higher degree will be an added advantage. Experience/Specialisation: Two years post NYSC cognate experience; Material and Metallurgy Bias.
JOB TITLE: Administrative Officer (Registry) Qualification: A university degree in Social Sciences, Arts, Management, Public Administration, Business Administration or Law; Minimum of a Second Class Honours Lower Division. Experience/Specialisation: Minimum of two years post NYSC experience.
JOB TITLE: Officer I (Electrical/ Electronic Engineering Department) Qualification: Eng/B.Sc & M. Eng (Electrical/ Electronic Engineering); Experience/Specialisation: Two years post NYSC cognate experience; Instrumentation & Control.
JOB TITLE: Accounts Officer II (Finance and Accounts) Qualification: Sc/HND in Accounting. Experience/Specialisation: Minimum of two years post NYSC cognate experience.
JOB TITLE: Officer II A (Electrical/Electronic Engineering Department) Qualification: Eng/B.Sc (Electrical/Electronic Engineering) with a minimum of Second Class Lower Division; A higher degree will be an added advantage. Experience/Specialisation: Two years post NYSC cognate experience; Instrumentation & Control.
JOB TITLE: Plant Operator Mechanical (Directorate of Services) Qualification: C&G Part 1,2 & or equivalent ND. Experience/Specialisation: Four years post NYSC cognate experience
JOB TITLE: Masonry (Directorate of Services) Qualification: C&G Part 1,2 & or equivalent ND in Plumbing. Experience/Specialisation: Four years post NYSC cognate experience
JOB TITLE: Officer II B (Electrical/Electronic Engineering Department) Qualification: Eng/B.Sc (Electrical/Electronic Engineering) with a minimum of Second Class Lower Division; A higher degree will be an added advantage. Experience/Specialisation: Two years post NYSC cognate experience; Electronics & Telecommunications.
JOB TITLE: Plumbing Technician (Directorate of Services) Qualification: C&G Part 1,2 & or equivalent ND in Plumbing. Experience/Specialisation: Four years post NYSC cognate experience.
JOB TITLE: Officer II C (Electrical/Electronic Engineering Department) Qualification: Eng/B.Sc (Electrical/Electronic Engineering) with a minimum of Second Class Lower Division; A higher degree will be an added advantage. Experience/Specialisation Two years post NYSC cognate experience; Power & Machines.
JOB TITLE: Carpentry Technician (Directorate of Services) Qualification: C&G Part 1,2 & or equivalent ND in Carpentry & Joinery. Experience/Specialisation: Four years post NYSC cognate experience.
JOB TITLE: Technologist II (Electrical/Electronic Engineering Department) Qualification: HND (Electrical/Electronic Engineering) with a minimum of Lower Credit. Experience/Specialisation: Two years post NYSC cognate experience; Instrumentation & Control.
JOB TITLE: Fire Fighting Technician (Directorate of Services) Qualification: Safety/Fire Fighting/C&G Part 1,2 & or equivalent ND in Fire Fighting Basic Technician. Experience/Specialisation: Four years post NYSC cognate experience.
JOB TITLE: Admin Officer (NDT) Qualification: HND/B.Sc/BA in Social Science; MBA is an added advantage. Experience/Specialisation: At least two years post NYSC cognate experience in an NDT organization; Computer Skills, Planning and Training of NDT Programmes. JOB TITLE: Electrical Technician (Directorate of Services) Qualification: C&G Part 1,2 & or equivalent ND. Experience/Specialisation: Four years post NYSC cognate experience.
JOB TITLE: Electrical Technologist (Directorate of Services) Qualification: Electrical/Electronic Technologist, C&G Part 1,2 & 3 & or equivalent HND Experience/Specialisation: Two years post NYSC cognate experience.
JOB TITLE: NDT Trainer/ Facilitator Qualification: Level III Certified/ Trained NDT Personnel in at least four processes with a minimum of ND in Mechanical, Welding, Production Engineering; Experience/Specialisation: Five years working experience in an NDT organization and also verse in certification process/procedures; Membership of NSNDT, ASNT, NIW and other relevant bodies.
JOB TITLE: Quantity Surveyor (Directorate of Services) Qualification: Sc or equivalent in Quantity Survey. Experience/Specialisation: Five years post NYSC cognate experience in Bill of Quantities in Engineering Works; Member of NIQS.
JOB TITLE: Lecturer Analytical Chemistry Officer I (Industrial Safety and Environmental Technology) Qualification: S.c Analytical Chemistry Experience/Specialisation: Minimum of two years post NYSC Oil Industry cognate experience; Experienced in the use of GC-MS, HPLC, DSC, AAS etc; Expert in the use of Chemstation Software.
JOB TITLE: Architect Senior Officer (Directorate of Services) Qualification: Sc in Architecture. Experience/Specialisation: Ten years post NYSC cognate experience in Modelling, Physical Planning and Designs of Buildings; Member of NIA.
JOB TITLE: Officer I Civil Engineer (Directorate of Services) Qualification: Eng in Civil Engineering. Experience/Specialisation: Five years post NYSC cognate experience in the Design, Construction and management of Civil/Building structures; Member of Professional bodies NSE/ COREN.
JOB TITLE: Safety Lecturer Officer II (Industrial Safety and Environmental Technology) Qualification: Sc Safety technology with a minimum of Second Class Lower Honours; A higher degree will be an added advantage. Experience/Specialisation: Minimum of two years post NYSC Oil Industry cognate experience; Professional Certification such as: Certified Occupational Safety Specialist; Certified Safety Professional, ND in NEBOSH, Chartered/Certified Hazard Management.
JOB TITLE: Officer 1 Electrical Engineer (Directorate of Services) Qualification: Eng in Electrical Engineering. Experience/Specialisation: Five years post NYSC cognate experience in Power; Member of Professional bodies NSE/ COREN.
JOB TITLE: Environmental Science Lecturer Officer II (Industrial Safety and Environmental Technology) Qualification: Sc Env. Science/ Env. Biology with a minimum of Second Class Lower Honours; A higher degree will be an added advantage. Experience/Specialisation: Minimum of two years post NYSC Oil Industry cognate experience; Professional Registration.
JOB TITLE: Technologist (General Studies) Qualification: HND in Computer Science/ Engineering with a minimum of Lower Credit. Experience/Specialisation: Minimum of four years post NYSC in a Computer Workshop/Laboratory preferably in a tertiary institution; Possession of good computer skills in both hardware and software.
JOB TITLE: Civil Engineer/ Lecturer Officer II (Industrial Safety and Environmental Technology) Qualification: Eng with a minimum of Second Class Lower Honours Lower Division; A higher degree will be an added advantage. Experience/Specialisation: Minimum of two years post NYSC Oil Industry cognate experience; COREN Registrable- minimum of a graduate membership. JOB TITLE: Lecturer Officer II C (General Studies) Qualification: Sc Political Science, Psychology or Sociology with a minimum of Second Class Honours Lower Division; A higher degree will be an added advantage. Experience/Specialisation: Minimum of two years post NYSC teaching experience preferably in a tertiary institution; Possession of a proven track record in the field.
JOB TITLE: Lecturer Officer II B (General Studies) Qualification: A in English with a minimum of Second Class Honours Lower Division; A higher degree will be an added advantage. Experience/Specialisation: Minimum of two years post NYSC teaching experience preferably in a tertiary institution; Possession of a proven track record in the field.
JOB TITLE: Science Laboratory Technologist (Industrial Safety and Environmental Technology) Qualification: HND SLT/ Physics/Micro Biology options with a minimum of Lower Credit; Experience/Specialisation: Minimum of two years post NYSC Oil Industry cognate experience; Registration by relevant professional bodies such as NISLT.
JOB TITLE: Lecturer Officer II A (General Studies) Qualification: Sc in Mathematics with a minimum of Second Class Honours Lower Division; A higher degree will be an added advantage. Experience/Specialisation: Minimum of two years post NYSC teaching experience preferably in a tertiary institution; Possession of good mathematical and computer skills; Ability to teach mathematics courses effectively.
JOB TITLE: Laboratory Technician (Industrial Safety and Environmental Technology) Qualification: ND SLT Science Laboratory with a minimum of Lower Credit; Experience/Specialisation: Minimum of two years post NYSC Oil Industry cognate experience; NISLT Registration. JOB TITLE: Technician (Petroleum Marketing and Business Studies) Qualification: ND in Petroleum Marketing and Business Studies with Lower Credit; Experience/Specialisation: Minimum of four years experience; Proven track record in Petroleum Marketing and Business Studies.
JOB TITLE: Lecturer Officer II A (Petroleum Marketing and Business Studies) Qualification: Sc in Marketing with a minimum of Second Class Lower Division; A higher degree will be an added advantage. Experience/Specialisation Minimum of two years post NYSC cognate experience; Proven track record in Marketing.
JOB TITLE: Lecturer Officer II D (Petroleum Marketing and Business Studies) Qualification: Sc in Accounting/Finance with a minimum of Second Class Lower Division; A higher degree will be an added advantage. Experience/Specialisation: Minimum of two years post NYSC cognate experience; Proven track record in Accounting/ Finance.
JOB TITLE: Lecturer Officer II C (Petroleum Marketing and Business Studies) Qualification: Sc in Industrial Mathematics or M.Sc Operations Management with a minimum of Second Class Lower Division; Experience/Specialisation: Minimum of two years post NYSC cognate experience; Proven track record in Industrial Mathematics or M.Sc Operations Management
JOB TITLE: Lecturer Officer II B (Petroleum Marketing and Business Studies) Qualification : Sc in Management/Business Administration with a minimum of Second Class Lower Division; A higher degree will be an added advantage. Experience/Specialisation: Minimum of two years post NYSC cognate experience; Proven track record in Management/ Business Administration. http://www.psinportal.comhttp://www.recruitment.psinportal.com/ 5 Likes 7 Shares |
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Re: Petroleum Training Institute (PTI) Currently Recruiting by Nobody: 4:22pm On Nov 18, 2014 |
Hmm |
Re: Petroleum Training Institute (PTI) Currently Recruiting by ITbomb(m): 4:33pm On Nov 18, 2014 |
Very true Deadline 30th |
Re: Petroleum Training Institute (PTI) Currently Recruiting by francizy(m): 5:02pm On Nov 18, 2014 |
I don't have any experience, can I still apply? |
Re: Petroleum Training Institute (PTI) Currently Recruiting by transbut5(m): 5:18pm On Nov 18, 2014 |
francizy: I don't have any experience, can I still apply? ebuka na u be dis? 1 Like |
Re: Petroleum Training Institute (PTI) Currently Recruiting by Saryea83: 6:24pm On Nov 18, 2014 |
Datz gud |
Re: Petroleum Training Institute (PTI) Currently Recruiting by francizy(m): 7:25pm On Nov 18, 2014 |
Na me oh! Who I dey follow talk? transbut5:
ebuka na u be dis? |
Re: Petroleum Training Institute (PTI) Currently Recruiting by Ishilove: 7:38pm On Nov 18, 2014 |
ITbomb: Very true Deadline 30th Why isn't it on their site? |
Re: Petroleum Training Institute (PTI) Currently Recruiting by ITbomb(m): 8:10pm On Nov 18, 2014 |
Ishilove:
Why isn't it on their site? Let's say you are with the source, it should be there somewhere in the Public Service portal |
Re: Petroleum Training Institute (PTI) Currently Recruiting by cyprel(m): 9:44pm On Nov 18, 2014 |
Ishilove:
Why isn't it on their site? Please just apply if u qualify for any of the position u never can tell how lucky u can b. For the school site that site is mainly for admission, advert and course registration. The school is mainly controlled by FG when it comes to job opening though there might be some slot from the principal and others. |
Re: Petroleum Training Institute (PTI) Currently Recruiting by transbut5(m): 7:03am On Nov 19, 2014 |
francizy: Na me oh! Who I dey follow talk?
Hahahahah Na Onori_Riser. Assistant class rep U07MMEN |
Re: Petroleum Training Institute (PTI) Currently Recruiting by francizy(m): 7:08am On Nov 19, 2014 |
I thought as much! How far nah? How you dey? Longest time.. Man still dey hustle for job oh! 2.1 is as useless as an ordinary paper.. I don tire.. transbut5:
Hahahahah Na Onori_Riser. Assistant class rep U07MMEN 4 Likes |
Re: Petroleum Training Institute (PTI) Currently Recruiting by Mopolchi: 7:19am On Nov 19, 2014 |
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Re: Petroleum Training Institute (PTI) Currently Recruiting by governoragweven: 7:23am On Nov 19, 2014 |
ITbomb: Very true Deadline 30th Ishilove:
Why isn't it on their site? please whats the mode of application |
Re: Petroleum Training Institute (PTI) Currently Recruiting by transbut5(m): 7:49am On Nov 19, 2014 |
francizy: I thought as much! How far nah? How you dey? Longest time.. Man still dey hustle for job oh! 2.1 is as useless as an ordinary paper.. I don tire..
Hahahhaha fine ooo. No reason am that way oo. 2.1 go still fetch u 6digit salary job. Me I dey do graduate trainee with federal housing Authority Abuja 8 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Petroleum Training Institute (PTI) Currently Recruiting by cyprel(m): 8:44am On Nov 19, 2014 |
Mopolchi: This site is temporarily unavailable. Just b patient bro am sure it will come back ... The advert is also on vanguard so u can imagine the number of people that are applying |
Re: Petroleum Training Institute (PTI) Currently Recruiting by AltarBoy1: 9:18am On Nov 19, 2014 |
francizy: I thought as much! How far nah? How you dey? Longest time.. Man still dey hustle for job oh! 2.1 is as useless as an ordinary paper.. I don tire..
Me don reach 18mnths I never see anything do. Even teaching jobs wey I apply, nothing yet. Sometimes E be me like mk i jst gv up go strt business. 1 Like |
Re: Petroleum Training Institute (PTI) Currently Recruiting by rattlesnake(m): 11:27am On Nov 19, 2014 |
AltarBoy1: Me don reach 18mnths I never see anything do. Even teaching jobs wey I apply, nothing yet. Sometimes E be me like mk i jst gv up go strt business. village missile things 7 Likes |
Re: Petroleum Training Institute (PTI) Currently Recruiting by yoged(m): 11:37am On Nov 19, 2014 |
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Re: Petroleum Training Institute (PTI) Currently Recruiting by MAKEWAY2029: 12:12pm On Nov 19, 2014 |
rattlesnake: village missile things More like reality things. 1 Like |
Re: Petroleum Training Institute (PTI) Currently Recruiting by Nobody: 3:29pm On Nov 19, 2014 |
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Re: Petroleum Training Institute (PTI) Currently Recruiting by Nobody: 3:34pm On Nov 19, 2014 |
cyprel:
Just b patient bro am sure it will come back ... The advert is also on vanguard so u can imagine the number of people that are applying is the Ad on vanguard? If yes bro pls what date was it publish? For clear verification pls. Tnks |
Re: Petroleum Training Institute (PTI) Currently Recruiting by Nobody: 12:56am On Nov 20, 2014 |
What about Meteorology |
Re: Petroleum Training Institute (PTI) Currently Recruiting by Nobody: 10:11am On Nov 20, 2014 |
How to apply o.... The link isn't opening 1 Like |
Re: Petroleum Training Institute (PTI) Currently Recruiting by pacesetter939: 2:12pm On Nov 20, 2014 |
estyann: How to apply o.... The link isn't opening Have you succeeded in applying? please reply. |
Re: Petroleum Training Institute (PTI) Currently Recruiting by pat077: 3:53pm On Nov 20, 2014 |
Massive! 1 Like |
Re: Petroleum Training Institute (PTI) Currently Recruiting by Mopolchi: 6:03pm On Nov 20, 2014 |
cyprel:
Just b patient bro am sure it will come back ... The advert is also on vanguard so u can imagine the number of people that are applying I have tried to apply but met a challenge at the stage of education qualification where I clicked 2nd Class Upper Division and it refused due to it contained more than 15 words. So I clicked 'not applicable'. Hope that was right. |
Re: Petroleum Training Institute (PTI) Currently Recruiting by Nobody: 9:43pm On Nov 20, 2014 |
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Re: Petroleum Training Institute (PTI) Currently Recruiting by pacesetter939: 12:30am On Nov 21, 2014 |
estyann:
No What stopped you from proceeding & what is your discipline? |
Re: Petroleum Training Institute (PTI) Currently Recruiting by ITbomb(m): 6:39am On Nov 21, 2014 |
pacesetter939:
What stopped you from proceeding & what is your discipline? After registering, the email with the login details didn't drop (not even in spam) and you can't use that email again |
Re: Petroleum Training Institute (PTI) Currently Recruiting by jbadmus: 6:43am On Nov 21, 2014 |
Those that have commenced or completed with the application should,please,post the correct link here.You are lifted,even as you do so. |