davien:
where did "god" come from?
And what spark made "god" metaphysical?

davien:
where did "god" come from?
And what spark made "god" metaphysical?

Harmony10:




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Try again, I am sure you will be able to read we well now. LOL

tevinsolt:


lmaoo I do believe in God but common on bro, really?

davien:
where did "god" come from?
And what spark made "god" metaphysical?

Kay17:


excluding that please.

shadowgwalker:
https://www.nairaland.com/2010775/absolute-proof-
gods-existence

UyiIredia:


That can't be excluded. Living things are the only examples of guided natural processes and I've already explained why in my previous posts.

Kay17:


I actually meant other examples aside from life.

UyiIredia:


And I've said that living things are the ONLY examples of guided natural systems.

davien:
Shadowgwalker lets say for the sake of argument that indeed somehow an unproven intelligent agent had a hand(or tentacle) in the creation of the universe....can you now link it with the "god" of the bible? or that link requires faith?

Kay17:


I find the water cycle to be a very interesting 'unguided' natural process. Apparently in your view, the elaborate water cycle is not based on abstract design principles, is it? Don't you think systems in general all enjoy internal coherency?

shadowgwalker:
what is a 'god ' please? I don't even understand you.

UyiIredia:


Stop obfuscating things. This is what you do when you have no point to make. This talk started when I pointed out that natural processes didn't make codes and you tried to hijack the work of living systems as an example. A wrong move since living systems weren't the natural processes I had in mind AND it was unguided natural processes eg windflow, sunlight etc I was referring to.

I specifically distinguished guided from unguided natural processes by noting that the latter simply occurs in given conditions eg streams occur more frequently in rainy season in the tropics while the former (is guided natural processes) depends on systems that control its behaviours and its very existence.

Kay17:


I know you did. However, rather than try to force my views down your throat, I'm willing to find the true conflict points.

Back to our discussion. You said there were unguided and guided natural processes. The underlying idea behind 'guided' natural processes is the abstract principles which they based. Similarly the water cycle as a whole appears to be 'guided' by abstract principles otherwise it wouldn't exist. The water cycle not fairly 'random'. I intend to use the systemic consistency similar to both living systems and the water cycle as a basis that natural processes are valid immediate causes.

shadowgwalker:
bloody illiterate, you are a complete definition of mumu. see your own fake profile, I can imagine how many people you've duped life out of . I'm sure you've contemplated killing yourself someday but don't worry you have your own classification, it's called 'a failed destiny '.

shadowgwalker:
yes!!it's their tradition, the rest that follow are wanna -be or psychos and stupid ...just like you. I can't explain more cos you will discover your inner-might and do that too.

davien:
"god" is a purported unknown religious people define according to their respective faiths..

voodoo85:


there's nothing to talk with u with such your thinking.

voodoo85:


am curious how did u decided that my profile is fake?

shadowgwalker:
well, that is ur belief what religious people believe. so, explain more so that I might be able to belief on ur belief of what people believe in.

shadowgwalker:
i decide by making my decision.

davien:
I have no belief...

voodoo85:


leave her alone, u see that she is one from those stupidd women which u can't do anything about, thick like a brick wall

UyiIredia:


Instead of going down that winded path simply give an example of natural processes (outside of living things) making a code.

Emmalot121:
I've you read my proof of God, what do you think of it? If God doesn't exist, whrence did magic come?

HerexG:


I'm not saying there is no God but there are a whole lot of questionable factors surrounding these religions

Kay17:


We placed codes aside, since we are disagreeing about the definition.

We are now talking about guided natural processes and I have raised the systemic consistency in both living systems and water cycle. That is where we are right now.

HerexG:


I'm not saying there is no God but there are a whole lot of questionable factors surrounding these religions

davien:
So to stop "god" from being illogical due to infinite regression..its an "uncaused cause"?

tevinsolt:
no to stop whatever you think is the cause of all these, there must be an "uncaused cause" for the Universe to have started to exist then the "First caused uncaused" is personal.