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Re: What Nigerians Think Of People Who Do NOT Believe In God? by Nobody: 10:10am On Nov 30, 2014 |
davien:god came from the objects of men's creation. man was created by God, if you want to know who created God and not god, wait till we arrive Heaven. that's one secret nobody knows, He is God because He owns every creation. every physical property has a starting point. right?what created that starting point/state? |
Re: What Nigerians Think Of People Who Do NOT Believe In God? by Nobody: 10:11am On Nov 30, 2014 |
davien:god came from the objects of men's creation. man was created by God, if you want to know who created God and not god, wait till we arrive Heaven. that's one secret nobody knows, He is God because He owns every creation. every physical property has a starting point. right?what created that starting point/state?... |
Re: What Nigerians Think Of People Who Do NOT Believe In God? by Nobody: 10:13am On Nov 30, 2014 |
Harmony10:oh yes!!I'm made whole! I can read WELL now!! |
Re: What Nigerians Think Of People Who Do NOT Believe In God? by Nobody: 10:14am On Nov 30, 2014 |
tevinsolt:show me your doubts and let me clear you. |
Re: What Nigerians Think Of People Who Do NOT Believe In God? by Nobody: 10:18am On Nov 30, 2014 |
davien:https://www.nairaland.com/2010775/absolute-proof- gods-existence |
Re: What Nigerians Think Of People Who Do NOT Believe In God? by UyiIredia(m): 10:25am On Nov 30, 2014 |
Kay17: That can't be excluded. Living things are the only examples of guided natural processes and I've already explained why in my previous posts. |
Re: What Nigerians Think Of People Who Do NOT Believe In God? by davien(m): 10:32am On Nov 30, 2014 |
shadowgwalker:He is correct though(in the sense that practical vacuums are causal)... The vacuum of space however is something that is an inherent property of it....and its energy is eternal(as with all energy cannot be created nor destroyed)....the very expansion of this vacuum and everything in it is still a by-product of the inflation of the universe from its initial stages.. |
Re: What Nigerians Think Of People Who Do NOT Believe In God? by davien(m): 10:36am On Nov 30, 2014 |
Shadowgwalker lets say for the sake of argument that indeed somehow an unproven intelligent agent had a hand(or tentacle) in the creation of the universe....can you now link it with the "god" of the bible? or that link requires faith? |
Re: What Nigerians Think Of People Who Do NOT Believe In God? by Kay17: 10:48am On Nov 30, 2014 |
UyiIredia: I actually meant other examples aside from life. 1 Like |
Re: What Nigerians Think Of People Who Do NOT Believe In God? by UyiIredia(m): 10:52am On Nov 30, 2014 |
Kay17: And I've said that living things are the ONLY examples of guided natural systems. |
Re: What Nigerians Think Of People Who Do NOT Believe In God? by Kay17: 11:08am On Nov 30, 2014 |
UyiIredia: I find the water cycle to be a very interesting 'unguided' natural process. Apparently in your view, the elaborate water cycle is not based on abstract design principles, is it? Don't you think systems in general all enjoy internal coherency? 1 Like |
Re: What Nigerians Think Of People Who Do NOT Believe In God? by Nobody: 11:13am On Nov 30, 2014 |
davien:what is a 'god ' please? I don't even understand you. |
Re: What Nigerians Think Of People Who Do NOT Believe In God? by UyiIredia(m): 11:22am On Nov 30, 2014 |
Kay17: Stop obfuscating things. This is what you do when you have no point to make. This talk started when I pointed out that natural processes didn't make codes and you tried to hijack the work of living systems as an example. A wrong move since living systems weren't the natural processes I had in mind AND it was unguided natural processes eg windflow, sunlight etc I was referring to. I specifically distinguished guided from unguided natural processes by noting that the latter simply occurs in given conditions eg streams occur more frequently in rainy season in the tropics while the former (is guided natural processes) depends on systems that control its behaviours and its very existence. |
Re: What Nigerians Think Of People Who Do NOT Believe In God? by davien(m): 11:42am On Nov 30, 2014 |
shadowgwalker:"god" is a purported unknown religious people define according to their respective faiths.. |
Re: What Nigerians Think Of People Who Do NOT Believe In God? by Kay17: 12:14pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
UyiIredia: I know you did. However, rather than try to force my views down your throat, I'm willing to find the true conflict points. Back to our discussion. You said there were unguided and guided natural processes. The underlying idea behind 'guided' natural processes is the abstract principles which they based. Similarly the water cycle as a whole appears to be 'guided' by abstract principles otherwise it wouldn't exist. The water cycle not fairly 'random'. I intend to use the systemic consistency similar to both living systems and the water cycle as a basis that natural processes are valid immediate causes. |
Re: What Nigerians Think Of People Who Do NOT Believe In God? by UyiIredia(m): 12:23pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
Kay17: Instead of going down that winded path simply give an example of natural processes (outside of living things) making a code. |
Re: What Nigerians Think Of People Who Do NOT Believe In God? by Nobody: 12:58pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
shadowgwalker: am curious how did u decided that my profile is fake? ![]() 1 Like |
Re: What Nigerians Think Of People Who Do NOT Believe In God? by Nobody: 12:59pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
shadowgwalker: there's nothing to talk with u with such your thinking. 1 Like |
Re: What Nigerians Think Of People Who Do NOT Believe In God? by Nobody: 2:01pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
davien:well, that is ur belief what religious people believe. so, explain more so that I might be able to belief on ur belief of what people believe in. |
Re: What Nigerians Think Of People Who Do NOT Believe In God? by Nobody: 2:02pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
voodoo85:same here, u make me weak. |
Re: What Nigerians Think Of People Who Do NOT Believe In God? by Nobody: 2:03pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
voodoo85:i decide by making my decision. |
Re: What Nigerians Think Of People Who Do NOT Believe In God? by davien(m): 2:06pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
shadowgwalker:I have no belief... |
Re: What Nigerians Think Of People Who Do NOT Believe In God? by Nobody: 2:31pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
shadowgwalker: your decision is delusional. |
Re: What Nigerians Think Of People Who Do NOT Believe In God? by Nobody: 2:33pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
davien: leave her alone, u see that she is one from those stupidd women which u can't do anything about, thick like a brick wall 1 Like |
Re: What Nigerians Think Of People Who Do NOT Believe In God? by Weah96: 3:14pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
voodoo85: She needs Jesus. Or somebody. |
Re: What Nigerians Think Of People Who Do NOT Believe In God? by Kay17: 5:45pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
UyiIredia: We placed codes aside, since we are disagreeing about the definition. We are now talking about guided natural processes and I have raised the systemic consistency in both living systems and water cycle. That is where we are right now. |
Re: What Nigerians Think Of People Who Do NOT Believe In God? by HerexG(m): 6:50pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
Emmalot121: I'm not saying there is no God but there are a whole lot of questionable factors surrounding these religions |
Re: What Nigerians Think Of People Who Do NOT Believe In God? by Emmalot121(m): 7:45pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
HerexG:Questions on Christianity and I'll answer. ![]() |
Re: What Nigerians Think Of People Who Do NOT Believe In God? by UyiIredia(m): 7:57pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
Kay17: We never did. It has been central to this discussion from the get go. If you are shifting that aside then forget about this. In the meantime you are ignoring the fact that water cycles lack subsystems which clearly regulate their behaviour in response to .varying environmental indices like temperature. Subsystems which regulate behaviour is what I have very REPEATEDLY emphasized constitutes a guided natural process to your continued ignorance |
Re: What Nigerians Think Of People Who Do NOT Believe In God? by Nobody: 8:00pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
HerexG:There is no god! PERIOD! It never existed and it is clear in the religious books that no man has seen god- that's because it is made up. Wow! What an elusive lie! |
Re: What Nigerians Think Of People Who Do NOT Believe In God? by tevinsolt: 8:19pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
davien:no to stop whatever you think is the cause of all these, there must be an "uncaused cause" for the Universe to have started to exist then the "First caused uncaused" is personal. |
Re: What Nigerians Think Of People Who Do NOT Believe In God? by davien(m): 8:30pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
tevinsolt:And how did you deduce the universe to not be an uncaused cause? |
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