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major466:
The administration of GEJ is trying to reduce Nigeria's recurrent expenditure to below 40 percent and APC is planning to increase it to 70 percent.
The proposed APC welfare scheme for youths above will send the Nigerian economy down to the deepest pit of economic collapse.

Their next line of defense would be about corruption , the rot in the system and the fat allowances the lawmakers and the senators are taking home , as if the whole shameless act is a PDP thing alone we thank God that their members are equally in the same house and has never proposed a bill neither raised a motion to reduce their jumbo pay by at least 40%.

APC is bereft of ideology and party orientation, what they are only after is to grab power at all cost and of course I guess we all know what happens when a clueless party without manifesto like the APC with too many unreal promises takes over power - Economic chaos becomes the order of the day.

Am patiently Waiting for Presidential debate, I pray GEJ attends the formal one instead arrange a dorobucci version with Marvin Crew.

South Yemen is fighting for independence from the North. ..what are the eastern and southern Nigeria waiting for? Igbo has no similarity with the Yoruba and Hausa...

And why are the Yoruba not writing and propaganding for the removal of East and South from Nigeria so that Buhari will be their president?

Truckpusher:
Their next line of defense would be about corruption , the rot in the system and the fat allowances the lawmakers and the senators are taking home , as if the whole shameless act is a PDP thing alone we thank God that their members are equally in the same house and has never proposed a bill neither raised a motion to reduce their jumbo pay by at least 40%.

APC is bereft of ideology and party orientation, what they are only after is to grab power at all cost and of course I guess we all know what happens when a clueless party without manifesto like the APC with too many unreal promises takes over power - Economic chaos becomes the order of the day.

what have u benefited from the present clueless one

barcanista:
We are not only discussing "affordable housing" with respect to a one off fee, we are talking "affordable" housing with respect to mortgage. The question to ask is, how much is required to make a bid? What is the monthly/annual commitment of the beneficiaries to service the mortgage? Are these cost affordable to the low and mid income earners? Are these cost fair? These are the questions that needs to be answered.
With respect to "low cos housing" like it was done during Jakande's era, the cost of the flats were low and cheap that people could afford paying a one-off fee for it. But the quality of the house can't be compared to those of expatriates and senior officials of parastatals. The Fashola scheme seek to provide quality housing to the masses, but affordable as payment is on phases and on a long term. Anyway, let's answer the above questions first.

Yes let us continue I really want to touch on the health care that you pointed out as well.

Back to affordable housing:
We first have to analyze the reality of A. Them securing the loan B. Affording the loan throughout the 10 year period. But first we have to factor in the average income and expenditures of a potential Affordable Housing candidate. Let me also bring the fees and other stipulations layed out on the website. http://www.lagoshoms.gov.ng/

Alhaja Adetoun Mustapha Estate Ijaiye, Ojokoro 3 bedroom flat
A three bedroom flat goes for N11 million in this brand new complex built and commissioned by Fashola
at the lowest interest rate 9.5% which maybe only 1% will qualify your payment to the bank every month is ......
N99,000 almost 100 grand a month is that affordable my Dear friend to an average Lagosioan

major466:
Anything welfare is a recurrent expenditure. Welfare doesn't create value.

Why are you educating a man that resorted to mockery instead asking questions to clear his brain that has been damaged by the too many propaganda he keeps writing here on behalf of his abracadabra party?

[quote author=Obiagelli post=28494882][/quote]There's no way this plan will work. It's not possible.

truefact:
South Yemen is fighting for independence from the North. ..what are the eastern and southern Nigeria waiting for? Igbo has no similarity with the Yoruba and Hausa...

And why are the Yoruba not writing and propaganding for the removal of East and South from Nigeria so that Buhari will be their president?

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AM A NIGERIAN, YORUBA IS MY SECOND LANGUAUGE NOT MY TRIBE OR SOME DIMENSION , IF I HAPPEN TO LEARN IGBO, TIV, HAUSA, ITESEKURE. THEY ALL BECOME OTHER LANGUAGES I KNOW. I DON'T BELIVE IN THAT TRIBAL SHIIT.
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lilflipnerd:
what have u benefited from the present clueless one

I'll only respond to mature comments void of any form of insults to the President and the office of the President?

Rephrase your question again.

major466:
Anything welfare is a recurrent expenditure. Welfare doesn't create value.

Bro no de fall your hand. Recurrent means all monies to be spend on running government. Eg stationeries, salaries and allowances of government officials and civil servants, pensions and gratuity, and other sundary expenses acrued to "AN office".

Capital expenditure includes all those monies that goes to the public, like infrastructure, social services, educational projects etc but not salaries and allowances or pensions.

In simple definition: whatever goes to the public is capital. Whatever is used to run government and parastatals is recurrent

barcanista:
Bro no de fall your hand. Recurrent means all monies to be spend on running government. Eg stationeries, salaries and allowances of government officials and civil servants, pensions and gratuity, and other sundary expenses acrued to "AN office".

Capital expenditure includes all those monies that goes to the public, like infrastructure, social services, educational projects etc but not salaries and allowances or pensions.

In simple definition: whatever goes to the public is capital. Whatever is used to run government and parastatals is recurrent

Aren't you guys saying the same thing?
Though his was more on a layman's term?

biafranqueen:
Sorry to disappoint you, Biafra is already happening. This is an underground movement for the betterment of Igboland. We don't make noise we just continue to build industries, create jobs and direct our leaders to build infrastructure, where it suits our industries. A silent revolution. So don't bother yourself. Do you have anything constructive to add on how APC plans to pay for this Manifesto?

All u ppl care about is some old fashioned revenge

biafranqueen:
You are very correct thank you for joining this conversation. All we want is what is right for our country. Let us think and reason as you have done now like intelligent adults, to come up with real solutions not empty promises from empty heads. I truly think that APC does not realize the mistakes they are making, hopefully this will better prepare them for 2019. You can no longer fool us we know who is working and who is just posing.

You know, it's easy to roll out fantastic looking plans that sounds excellent to the ears. But there's a big difference between rolling out good looking plans and feasibility. PDP knows better now because OBJ made the same mistake with the power sector during his time.

lilflipnerd:
All u ppl care about is some old fashioned revenge

It is not about revenge but self determination as recognized by the United Nations charter of 14 December 1960, which was unanimously adopted by the United Nations General Assembly.

barcanista:
Bro no de fall your hand. Recurrent means all monies to be spend on running government. Eg stationeries, salaries and allowances of government officials and civil servants, pensions and gratuity, and other sundary expenses acrued to "AN office".

Capital expenditure includes all those monies that goes to the public, like infrastructure, social services, educational projects etc but not salaries and allowances or pensions.

In simple definition: whatever goes to the public is capital. Whatever is used to run government and parastatals is recurrent

What. Are you saying the planned APC N5,000 stipends to 25 million Nigerian youths is a capital expenditure?

major466:
You know, it's easy to roll out fantastic looking plans that sounds excellent to the ears. But there's a big difference between rolling out good looking plans and feasibility. PDP knows better now because OBJ made the same mistake with the power sector during his time.

Hahahaha I am telling you OBJ finished his credibility with that one.

Like you pointed out and my mentor always tells me IDEAS ARE CHEAP!
I am currently looking for teachers o any other civil servant pay scale to point out how N100,000.00 a month for mortgage is not "affordable"

biafranqueen:
Yes let us continue I really want to touch on the health care that you pointed out as well.

Back to affordable housing:
We first have to analyze the reality of A. Them securing the loan B. Affording the loan throughout the 10 year period. But first we have to factor in the average income and expenditures of a potential Affordable Housing candidate. Let me also bring the fees and other stipulations layed out on the website. http://www.lagoshoms.gov.ng/


A three bedroom flat goes for N11 million in this brand new complex built and commissioned by Fashola
at the lowest interest rate 9.5% which maybe only 1% will qualify your payment to the bank every moth is ......

What is your point? There are houses of 4.5 million and all. If you can "afford" 11 million worth of mortgage what's the biggie? Why are you being so dull? Here is the deal here... Application fee is N10000, on successful bid, the applicant will be required to pay 30% of the total cost and he will be given keys to the apartment. Now this applicant can spread payment for as long as he likes but a minimum of 10years.he can also pay a one off fee. Now, an applicant that takes a 2BR or 3Br house of 6million, is to pay N1.8million at first payment, before deciding on his monthly or annual payment plan and the duration. To rent a 3BR apartment alone of such quality is about N1m to N1.5 million annually in lagos State, and people rent them. Why can't you appreciate what the LASG is doing? Even students do bid for the houses and poor civil servants. You need to follow the process or ask people. Stop displaying ignorance

Truckpusher:
Why are you educating a man that resorted to mockery instead asking questions to clear his brain that has been damaged by the too many propaganda he keeps writing here on behalf of his abracadabra party?

The thing just dey too funny.
Abi na juju dem go use solve Nigeria's problem with this their hilarious reading manifesto? I no know

biafranqueen:
Of course you will say such because even if you spent 10 hours studying you would never be able to refute or answer any of the above it is way over your head and your pay grade. Call one of your boys, and run along to vomit your 1 liners here and there. Call Barcanista at least he can form an idea, unlike most of you.

hehehe,before drawing up road map,they already have a plan to accomplish d road map.don't be deceived,nigeria has money,d waste alone reach 7th heaven,d corruption,stealling is too much.when buhari/fashola block d loophole,about $50 wil come out,our budget wil be $50 annually ,in 4yrs nigeria wil not remain d same.saTANiod till 2015.

major466:
The thing just dey too funny.
Abi na juju dem go use solve Nigeria's problem with this their hilarious reading manifesto? I no know

Their Oga Tinubu has already asked them to come with charms and amulets to protect their votes.

Truckpusher:
Aren't you guys saying the same thing?
Though his was more on a layman's term?

No we are not. Recurrent expenditure in sane society is always lower than capital, but fg is the reverse. Social welfare is Capital Project and not recurrent. Meaning it is for the benefit of the overall public and not restricted to government officials. Again, it is not permanent as money expended on social welfare like unemployment benefit reduces when more people gain employment. Again it is capital project!!!! Which is the right thing to do.

barcanista:
What is your point? There are houses of 4.5 million and all. If you can "afford" 11 million worth of mortgage what's the biggie? Why are you being so dull? Here is the deal here... Application fee is N10000, on successful bid, the applicant will be required to pay 30% of the total cost and he will be given keys to the apartment. Now this applicant can spread payment for as long as he likes but a minimum of 10years.he can also pay a one off fee. Now, an applicant that takes a 2BR or 3Br house of 6million, is to pay N1.8million at first payment, before deciding on his monthly or annual payment plan and the duration. To rent a 3BR apartment alone of such quality is about N1m to N1.5 million annually in lagos State, and people rent them. Why can't you appreciate what the LASG is doing? Even students do bid for the houses and poor civil servants. You need to follow the process or ask people. Stop displaying ignorance

Per Mrs. Bridget Nunoo, head teacher, First Star, Fagba, Lagos,
private school teachers in primary school are paid N12,000 per month. Senior staff between N20,000 and N30,000 per month. You are talking about ignorance? State pays less!
http://www.punchng.com/education/private-school-head-teachers-seek-better-pay/


If they even get paid!

Nigeria Union of Teachers, Lagos State branch, on Thursday said it would join the NUT strike to protest against the non-payment of the 27.5 per cent Teachers Salary Scale by some states.

They pay foreigners http://www.seekteachers.com/jobs.asp?country_id=62 a wooping N300,000 to teach in Lagos is that fair that outsiders get paid way more. APC is truly the government for the Elite by the Elite.

major466:
What. Are you saying the planned APC N5,000 stipends to 25 million Nigerian youths is a capital expenditure?

if you can't get the message then I pity for you. Whatever spent on the masses is CAPITAL project. QED

Truckpusher:
Their next line of defense would be about corruption , the rot in the system and the fat allowances the lawmakers and the senators are taking home , as if the whole shameless act is a PDP thing alone we thank God that their members are equally in the same house and has never proposed a bill neither raised a motion to reduce their jumbo pay by at least 40%.

Exactly. The major problem with the Nigerian budget is the bogus political allowances of political office holders especially the National Assembly. That has been the problem since 1999

APC is bereft of ideology and party orientation, what they are only after is to grab power at all cost and of course I guess we all know what happens when a clueless party without manifesto like the APC with too many unreal promises takes over power - Economic chaos becomes the order of the day.

I tell you if APC wins 2015 presidential election (God forbid) by mistake Nigeria is finished.

Truckpusher:
It is not about revenge but self determination as recognized by the United Nations charter of 14 December 1960, which was unanimously adopted by the United Nations General Assembly.

UN, endorsements....
Who wants the break of Nigeria?

biafranqueen:
Lagos teachers in primary school are paid N12,000 per month. Senior staff between N20,000 and N30,000 per month. You are talking about ignorance?

I still don't understand your point. Lagos Teachers and other civil servants do not depend on "only" Salaries, they also earn allowances and other estacodes. Btw: your figures are product of your concocted imagination. It is very glaring that you are lost on lies, I will let you be. Mention me whenever you come up with facts.

I love you

major466:
What. Are you saying the planned APC N5,000 stipends to 25 million Nigerian youths is a capital expenditure?

Na there me I come confuse o

APC ,the only party with an alien formula on economics.

I believe they've been visited by some alien from planet Nibiru and given a formula designed by higher intelligent beings.

By the time they roll out this their voodoo economics, people like Abacha would be blaming God wherever they are ,for taking a leader like himself out and leaving behind this kind of people.

biafranqueen:
Per Mrs. Bridget Nunoo, head teacher, First Star, Fagba, Lagos,
private school teachers in primary school are paid N12,000 per month. Senior staff between N20,000 and N30,000 per month. You are talking about ignorance? State pays less!
http://www.punchng.com/education/private-school-head-teachers-seek-better-pay/


If they even get paid!

So LASG will determine what a private school pay its teachers? You are not smart baby!!!

barcanista:
I still don't understand your point. Lagos Teachers and other civil servants do not depend on "only" Salaries, they also earn allowances and other estacodes. Btw: your figures are product of your concocted imagination. It is very glaring that you are lost on lies, I will let you be. Mention me whenever you come up with facts.

I love you

I have to go now too but you know the Health thing is going to shake the foundation in my next letter see you soon

barcanista:
So LASG will determine what a private school pay its teachers? You are not smart baby!!!

I will find out how much he pays state teachers don't worry. My Auntie works for Lagos State College but that is hearsay I am looking for links. We all know that Private pays more in Nigeria, lets keep it real like we have been!
Bingo
http://www.pmnewsnigeria.com/2014/07/17/lagos-teachers-angry-with-fashola/

Primary and secondary school teachers in public schools in Lagos State, western Nigeria, have expressed dissatisfaction with the way they were being treated by the state government and have vowed to express their feelings through their votes in the coming governorship election in the state.
Those who spoke with P.M. NEWS on Wednesday morning cut across primary and secondary schools in the state. They complained bitterly about the arrogance of the Governor Babatunde Fashola-led government officials over issues pertaining to their welfare.
According to them, the major issue at stake is the refusal of the state government to implement the 27.5 per cent Teachers Special Allowance.
“This government has been treating us with disdain. It has not paid our allowances for the past five years.The government has not paid our Leave Allowance, Utility Allowance, Housing Allowance, Transport Allowance for the past five years. Details of all these allowances are not reflected on our pay slips.

The country’s minimum wage is N18,000 but teachers are paid less.

This is injustice and we are going to do something about it. We are tired of promises that are not fulfilled,” a teacher in one of the secondary schools in Ojodu told P.M.NEWS.

Truckpusher:
Na there me I come confuse o

APC ,the only party with an alien formula on economics.

I believe they've been visited by some alien from planet Nibiru and given a formula designed by higher intelligent beings.

By the time they roll out this their voodoo economics, people like Abacha would be blaming God wherever they are ,for taking a leader like himself out and leaving behind this kind of people. ;

D

The top brain in the crew said even students in UNI can afford a Fashola Flat
How is it possible, with minimum wage being N18,000 and Lagos teaches say they make less it is original voodoo economics

biafranqueen:

...smh
I tell ya sis.