herald9:
She was untouched...thereby proofing to be a perfect apparatus for God's experiment

slyfox5555:


By 'untouched' - I imply you are referring to not having had sexual intercourse.

Are you implying Jesus Birth was an experiment?

That was sarcasm...

An Experiment is carried out to demonstrate a known truth..
In this case...we don't even know whether these stories are true or not.
The Bible is full of Jewish mythologies...
If you believe in them,you should also believe in our traditional folklore.

slyfox5555:

I believe in history. History has a way of confirming if an event actually happened or not. If any of our traditional folklore is historically true then yes; I believe in it. Aside from the Bible; history proves that Jesus lived and was crucified. So, except you are saying history is not true

I'm not doubting his existence... but the circumstances surrounding his birth...

I've you tried to compare this history to the stories of the Bible...do they correlate?

I only believe in history if it has more than one source and these sources has some elements of similarities..

Not just some oral tradition passed down from generation to generation... from a foreign tribe which might be tempered from time to time to make sense in an ever changing world.

ifeness:
The first virgin birth was that of HORUS. Jesus's story is nothing but a photocopy.

slyfox5555:


So if your mother had twins and then my best friend mother has twins - I will say my best friends siblings are photocopies of your siblings?

ifeness:


We are talking about Virgin birth here not twins. Stick to the Virgin birth please.

Horus was the first that was said to have been born of a Virgin.

slyfox5555:


You brought Horus into the equation - we were talking about Jesus. Your statement implied that Jesus virgin birth is a copycat (a lie or a myth borrowed from fiction) from Horus because Horus existed before Jesus. To show how shallow your statement was, I gave you the example of two twins from two different families - you can't say the second family twins are copycats of the first.

But I will hold your feet to the fire. How was Horus born? Was his mother a virgin?

Who is being shallow minded between you and I. You have based your whole life on a myth. I am not asking you to stop believing in your myth,I'm only letting you know that that story was initiated in Egypt,long before the Jesus myth ever existed.

Asking me how Horus was born is not the question. It shows you only read one book which obviously seemed to be false.

It is obvious majority of the Bible stories were copied from other civilizations and mostly Egypt. 25TH happened to be the day and month Horus birthday was celebrated and so became Christmas day......what a coincident! Isis seems to have been the originally a virgin

slyfox5555:
ifeness



It's hard to debate with someone who is not objective. Let's get into the facts



Really, who brought Horus into the picture? How can you make a claim and then side step when asked to provide details?



Whenever we get down to the facts, pre-assumptions and hear-says disappears. For your record:

1. Horus was born during the month of Khoiak (October/November), not December 25th. I guess you didn't find time to research that properly. Also, there is no mention in the Bible as to Christ's actual birthday
2. Isis was never a virgin; she was a widow of Osiris. Her husband, the god Osiris, was killed by his enemy Seth, the god of the desert and later dismembered. Isis managed to retrieve all of Osiris body parts except his phallus, which was thrown into the Nile and eaten by catfish. Isis used her goddess powers to temporarily resurrect Osiris and fashion a gold phallus (i.e. peni.s). She was then impregnated by a dead god with a golden peni.s and Horus was conceived. So, can you please explain to me how is this a virgin birth and how it is similar to Jesus?

Listen,The real story here belongs to Horus,which was later hijack by Dionysus and Mithra. This is not a debate and I am not ready to argue over Myths like i told you earlier. It is not my problem if you worship and believe the stories of Jesus because it took the place of other mythical figures.

Jesus is the not the first virgin story and probably won't be the last. I cannot debate with someone who copies and paste. I noticed you have been looking for that information for about 2 hours before posting that. What is the point here when everyone knows Horus's story was hijacked by the Council of Nicene.

Go ahead an celebrate your December 25th,its been happening for thousands of years.

slyfox5555:
ifeness



It can belong to Songo - it makes no difference



Did I ever content that Jesus was the 1st virgin? You seem to be going around in circles here. If what I have posted is wrong, please refute it. You made a claim that Horus mother was a virgin; on further analysis, it was shown that was wrong. You claimed Horus was born on December 25th, which came to be another mis-representation. For you to be honest and admit it; you are here playing pretend. I find it hard to engage critics who are not objective.



You seem to be the one running away with your tail between your legs when the premise of your argument has fallen over your head. Perhaps you should enjoy the Holiday that December 25th brings for you instead of you complaining . I am almost 100% positive that where you are and all other countries that decide to put aside December 25th don't do it for any other i.e Horus, Dionysus or Mithra but for Jesus

ifeness:


No one is stopping you from celebrating your monthly ritual. Like i said,it is your belief and the same belief practiced thousands of years rolling even for other thousands of "saviors"

slyfox5555:


Nothing really, only that Mary was a virgin. Mary was a sinner like everyone of us. The special case here is that she was chosen to be the vessel of God

frosbel:
The Virgin birth is not important because it is a MYTH just like the Trinity and Hell Fire .

"so that you may instruct certain men not to teach strange doctrines, 4nor to pay attention to myths and endless genealogies, which give rise to mere speculation rather than furthering the administration of God which is by faith." - 1 Timothy 1:4

slyfox5555:


Back-stepping are we? Here is my advise to you:

1. In this day and age where we have access to a wealth of information and research, I humbly ask that you do a personal research to the two sides of the coins using historical data to decide if anything is true or false.
2. Joining the band-wagon and supporting a view without cross-examining it makes you prejudice and sometimes ignorant when you don't know all the facts.

The Bible at no point said Jesus was born on December 25th; that was your first mistake. Your second mistake was to claim that Horus mother was a virgin. When we started going over the facts, the fog started to gradually fade away and here we are.

If you want to know about Jesus, I suggest you do this: Don't go to the Bible; Go to the earliest sources and historical account of Him before the Bible was compiled. If what you find out is myth; then so be it.

Cheers mate.

ifeness:


I know enough about Jesus. There are better things to know than trouble myself over a Jewish myth. Better stories to read and better things to worry about.

slyfox5555:


Really? So much so that you believed he was born on December 25th ? Can you cite your source for that please

ifeness:


So why are Christians celebrating December 25th? Dont you believe the virgin birth anymore?

slyfox5555:


Dude, if you want some education on Christian theology - I will be happy to engage you. But using per-assumptions without any factual reference or evidence is very very ignorant.

Christians choose a day in the year to celebrate Christ birth; it doesn't mean He was born on December 25th. There is no where in the Bible where it said Jesus was born on December 25th; I have addressed this many many times with you already.

So why the 25th? Dont try to lecture me on Christianity. I know all about it and the doctrine Christianity hijacked.

Jesus is nothing but a Myth, Savior of the world indeed. A PURE Pagan religion.

Take a chill an enjoy your December 25th Turkey

slyfox5555:
ifeness



One of the reasons I dislike debating people that are not objective. You claimed Christianity and the Bible said Jesus was born on December 25th; I asked you for proof - you failed to provide one yet you insist he was born on December 25th. If you read the Bible and truly understand Christianity; you will know that the Bible makes no claim on what day Jesus was born. Learn from your mistakes and move on



So far, your premise claiming He is a myth has fallen on it's on claims. Go and research the historical Jesus before you embarrass yourself online. Well known critics of Jesus all admit that He was born, lived and was crucified - now; if that is myth to you - your father and mother are probably myths to you as well



Turkey is for thanks giving Bros

ifeness:


Who are the well known critics who admitted there was a Jesus? Did they show you his birth certificate. I have a birth certificate of my parents to proof they are no myth.

Stop repeating "I claimed Jesus was born on December 25th crap"! Is that not the obvious reason you have a holiday on that day? Stop acting as if i wrote it. Ok if mythical Jesus wasn't born on the 25th of December,then when? You tell me.

I have no business with the Jewish version of Horus. My point is simple; Virgin birth is a lie

No more reply from me on this useless topic.

My dear brother,Virgin birth is recorded in the Koran and all muslims admit this sincerely and wholeheartedly.Thanks.

Who are the well known critics who admitted there was a Jesus? Did they show you his birth certificate. I have a birth certificate of my parents to proof they are no myth.

Stop repeating "I claimed Jesus was born on December 25th crap"! Is that not the obvious reason you have a holiday on that day? Stop acting as if i wrote it. Ok if mythical Jesus wasn't born on the 25th of December,then when? You tell me.

I have no business with the Jewish version of Horus. My point is simple; Virgin birth is a lie

No more reply from me on this useless topic.

slyfox5555:
ifeness



Cha - ignorance and stupi.dity on a whole new level. Is it everyone that is born that has a birth certificate? There are thousands of cases in the US and all over the world of people not having birth certificates that we born - have you heard of house births? It is only when these births are officially declared that they are given birth certificates or if those children were delivered in hospitals. That is why there are eye witness accounts. If I ask you to prove to me that you ate dinner at your parents house 10 years ago; how would you do that?



Are you deaf? - The Bible never made a claim when he was born. We know he was born some 2,000 years ago but we don't know what day it was on. Roman historians confirm of Jesus's crucifixion - so except you are on another planet or just plain ignorant; then you can continue with your myth mantra. Please show some objectivity. If you want non biblical sources of Jesus existence, consider:

1. First-century Roman Tacitus, who is considered one of the more accurate historians of the ancient world. Please read his account regarding Jesus. He wasn't a Jew or a Christian so there was no need for him to lie
2. Also refer to Josephus account



Jewish version of Horus? Dude - who brought up Horus? You seem to keep going around in circles. A more accurate statement should be - "Virgin birth can't be observed or reproduced with the current knowledge we have". To say it's a lie means you are all knowing and we both know that you have provided ample evidence to show that you are not a subject matter expert on this topic .



Why did you bother in the 1st place. Since all your points have been adequately refuted; you are running away with your tail between your legs. In the future, take time to do some research before you embarrass yourself.