₦airaland Forum

semitunde:
That's naive.

I also thought same when I was say...13-15 yrs of age.

Its actually a very good idea. You prefer the transportation of refined petroleum products via tankers, putting pressure on our roads and infrastructures; or via pipelines that are easily traced and burst these days? At least, a pipeline know to be carrying crude is not as attractive as a pipeline carrying petrol.

And I've not even started on the economics as regards job creation- reducing the propensity for ppl to indulge in violence; sundry industries tied to the refinery springing up; the fact that we would be producing the products at lower costs thereby equalising the prices of the petrol and other distillates throughout the country.

Sometimes we get too bugged down in sentiments to see things clearly. But its ok, you keep on expanding your mind.

Don't stop learning.

omenka:
The lies being peddled by a section of the media, some of whose agents are here on Nairaland, is staggering. This is the umpteenth time one would deal with this issue. I think it's about time to let it rest. Some people are hard-wired to denounce the truth whenever they see it or hear about it, they thrive in lies, filth, and of course darkness!!

I wouldn't bother joining issues with anyone who imagines that Buhari deserves no credit for the establishment of some of the refineries we have in this country. I know what I know and no amount of uncanny alterations and propaganda can dent the squeeky clean reputation of the People's General.

God bless APC.

Curlieweed:
All I can say is that you were smarter when you were younger. What could be responsible for this?

Regarding the highlighted, have you ever heard of the term "stolen crude"? Regarding your second psuedo-economics point, if the jobs are created near the source of the crude, they won't really be jobs? Would they?

And here you are talking about sentiments. Out of it's 30 odd years of existence, how many years of full operation has it actually achieved?

GBTYO:
Even in the US which is a net importer of crude, majority of the refineries are located either within the source or in proximity to coastal ports.

Building a refinery in Kaduna was and still a waste. What would have sufficed would have been building depotsserviced by networks of refined fuel pipes.

Curlieweed:
All I can say is that you were smarter when you were younger. What could be responsible for this?

Regarding the highlighted, have you ever heard of the term "stolen crude"? Regarding your second psuedo-economics point, if the jobs are created near the source of the crude, they won't really be jobs? Would they?

And here you are talking about sentiments. Out of it's 30 odd years of existence, how many years of full operation has it actually achieved?

semitunde:
Stop mixing things up by being smarter by half. Are you comparing having a refinery at Kaduna and one in Port Harcourt to having 2 refineries in Portharcourt and having to transport the products via tankers?

A little of the consequence is what we have in Lagos now where tankers from kano to jigawa come to line up on apapa road waiting for their turn to load, causing bad roads and serious traffic in the process.

I don't have the time for long discussion now but will be back later, need to finish up a design here.

But I won't be surprised if you've never been in a position to manage human and material resources.

Adminisher:
Buhari was minster during the greatest expansion of our refining capacity and pipeline infrastructure.
However this is neither here nor there, all the credit goes to the young military governments of Gowon, Muhammad and Obasanjo. One thing we should thank Buhari for was the lack of corruption scandal with those projects, even then 10% was common. Now with GEJ government, it is 100% kickback by building the project and selling it cheaply to yourself and cronies whilst giving tax waivers for the first five years...lol.
The military rulers worked the National Development Plans well and they had very good civil servants to work with.
Everything got bad with IBB and became hell with Abacha. Abacha's son is now working with Jonathan.

GBTYO:
As appointed minister of petroleum who do you expect to sign it?

Why glorify this?

Since we are on what he achieved as minister what about his legacy of stealing €2.8 billion pounds from NNPC account?

Curlieweed:
Signing a contract to build a refinery in Kaduna (hundreds of miles) from any crude oil source is a stupid thing to commend anyone for. That was one daft, politically determined, wasteful project. There is nothing to boast about here.

laBarca:
KADUNA REFINERY


http://www.nnpcgroup.com/nnpcbusiness/subsidiaries/krpc.aspx

Muhammadu Was the Petroleum Minister and NNPC Head in 1977

Ovamboland:
Hatred and bigotry will never make you have sense, is it safer and cheaper to transport crude oil by pipeline to Kaduna and distribute or transport petrol, kerosene, diesel etc by tankers from Warri or Port Harcourt to the Norther states. You are talking of distance, the countries we sell millions of barrel to daily are they farther or nearer us than Kaduna? Bigotry can never make you have sense.

Curlieweed:
How do you know that that the choice of Kaduna isn't determined by hatred and bigotry? Is the market that Kaduna serves bigger than the Lagos market. Why wasnt the refinery built in Lagos?

I expected a lot more from you than the ad hominem insults, however I understand the season can have a less than salutary effect on good manners.

laBarca:
Thank you bros, Picture don't lie

Ngwakwe:
The only thing that should be credited to Buhari is the stolen $2.8 billion under his watch.


From your reference, some sections of petrochemical plants were conceived.

I don't know when a section of a complex or addition of process is regarded as building a Refinery.

laBarca:
If it was built in Lagos, you will say why not Benin or Ore instead of Lagos. Whether Kaduna or Sokoto or Bayelsa. Tribalists are never pleased

chamboy:
Valid Proof for this Please

laBarca:
You want proof from who?

chamboy:
u

laBarca:

major466:
That explains how he knew about NNPC double account. Buhari is totally Corrupt.

atlwireles:
These were PTF accounts balance. Anywhere Buhari shows up, monies get legs and walk away.

chamboy:
Pls where are the dates

chamboy:
Sir is dis d proof I asked for

atlwireles:
What dates? You mean, the dates he stole the monies

chamboy:
d dates in d nonsense u posted here

laBarca:
However, credit must first go to Head of State, General Olusegun Obasanjo, because it was under his administration that Buhari signed and supervised the implementation of the Two Refinery projects

atlwireles:
You mean the final report from PTF, where your embezzling general was exposed again as a fraud and an incompetent CEO? I will post the whole report for you.

The Horrendous PTF Fraud: How N 25 Billion Was Stolen Under Buhari’s Watch!

http://thestreetjournal.org/2012/10/the-horrendous-ptf-fraud-how-n-25-billion-was-stolen-under-buharis-watch