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CANTICLES:
..... What Is the spirit in man and animals ??

shdemidemi:
Elucidate..I don't get your question

PastorKun:
Absolutely brilliant write up by Femi Aribisala. The trinity doctrine remains a pagan concept smuggled into early christianity to make it more acceptable to the roman pagans. I endorse this write up 100%

CANTICLES:
.... Ecclesistes 3:19 states plainly that man and animals (beast) have the same spirit in them ! So the question is: what does the bible refer to as the spirit in man and animals ??

shdemidemi:
Do they have souls too?

Man became a living soul.. man= body, spirit (breathe of God which represents His image and likeness), soul


Animals are beast(living creature) and not man. body and spirit (spirit here denotes breathe which keeps them alive)

How is the question pertinent to the discourse?

CANTICLES:
just to tell u there is nothing trinity in man ..... uv cleared it that spirit denotes " the breath of life in our NOSTRILS" Gen 2:7 !!! So its a force that keeps both man and animals alive, now ...what is soul ?

shdemidemi:
Do they have souls too?

Man became a living soul.. man= body, spirit (breathe of God which represents His image and likeness), soul


Animals are beast(living creature) and not man. body and spirit (spirit here denotes breathe which keeps them alive)

How is the question pertinent to the discourse?

shdemidemi:
Did you see where I differentiated the breath that is in man(the image and likeness of God) from that in the beast!

shdemidemi:
Did you see where I differentiated the breath that is in man(the image and likeness of God) from that in the beast!

shdemidemi:
Are you saying beasts were also made in the image and likeness of God?

CANTICLES:
.... Haba !! The breath of life has nothing to do with been in image and likeness of God ..... Every Creature has the " breath of life in its nostrils" thats d principle of life dat sustain us in bredathing in and out and thus b living !!! Only man is in the image of God , not that we look like him beacause " God has a spiritual body " Joh 4:24; 1cor 15:44 !!! But we have mental and quality character that exceeds that of any other creations , but the breath that operate in both man and animals regardless d size of our brain and intelligence is the same ( ecc 3:19, luke 23:46)

shdemidemi:
How can it possibly be the same when they are not made in God's likeness. You are moving away from the subject matter, anyway, the issue now is God made man in His own image and likeness. What do you understand by one been made in the the image and likeness of God?

shdemidemi:
Bless God, the bible says if we look for Him well enough, we will definitely find Him. It is really a mystery that can be unraveled by the study of the bible and most especially the settings. I will present this in another dimension just to avoid tautology.

This entire saga that led to the creation of man cropped up from the angelic conflict. I believe you know the story, Lucifer tries to make himself equal to God. God thumped Lucifer with condemnation and through resentment he called God a wicked God that does not forgive. God decides to make man, by virtue of providence God knew man will fall and He also knew He would display His love and mercy to mankind to showcase how merciful and forgiving He really is.

God created man, man fell, God had to come and pay the ransom of bringing human kind back to Himself through a physical image of Himself known as Jesus. Hence, anyone who believe in that sacrifice is forgiven and saved from damnation. Salvation became a free gift to all who will believe.

haffaze777:
By Femi Aribisala
The word “Trinity” can be found nowhere in the
Bible. It is completely incongruous with scriptural
understanding of God. God is not three persons. There
is only one God and it is the Father. Jesus says:
“salvation is of the Jews.” (John 4:22). Salvation is
neither of the Romans nor of the Italians. The Trinity is
an unscriptural concept, smuggled into Christendom
under Roman Constantine by cloak-and-dagger means.
Precepts of men
Jesus says to God: “Your word is truth.” (John
17:17). But the doctrine of the Trinity is a lie. Here is
the lie: “There are three that bear witness in heaven:
the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these
three are one.” (I John 5:7).
This so-called scripture is counterfeit. It is non-existent
in the original versions of the Bible. It was smuggled
into the Bible by Trinitari-ans. Today, you will only
find it in the King James editions. The very fact that
Trinitarians found it necessary to smuggle I John 5:7
into the Bible in order to validate the doctrine of the
Trinity shows conclusively that the doctrine is fake.
The cardinal principle of God is simple and
straightforward. Here it is in a nutshell: “Hear, O
Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD.” (Deuteronomy
6:4). This is validated by Jesus himself. (Mark 12:29).
Therefore, hear O Christians, the Lord our God is not a
Trinity. The Lord our God is one. Jesus berated the
Pharisees for teaching as doctrines the precepts of
men. (Matt-hew 15:9). Many churches have fallen into
the same error with the Trinity fallacy.
Family of God
John says: “No man has seen God at any time.” (John
1:18). But men have seen Jesus. Therefore, the
expression “God” refers exclusively to God the
Father. Jesus never refers to himself as God; he reserves
that terminology solely for the Father. When someone
called him “Good Teacher,” Jesus replied: “Why do you
call Me good? No one is good but One, that is,
God.” (Matthew 19: 17).
Jesus never says God is a Trinity. Instead, he reveals
God is a family. The head of this family is the
Father. God’s household include Jesus; God’s sons and
servants; and angels. That is more than a trinity. The
man-made concept of the Trinity makes God an
exclusive triumvirate, limited to “the Godhead. ”
However, the Christ-revealed portrait of God makes
God an inclusive and growing family, open to all
believers. Jesus said to God: “I will declare your name
to my brothers.” (Psalm 22: 22). Jesus is: “the firstborn
among many brothers.” (Romans 8:29). Believers are
the brothers of Jesus. But we are not the brothers of
God. God is our Father.
Sons of God
Jesus only claims to be “the only begotten Son of
God.” (John 3:18). Indeed, he drew a distinction
between God and himself. He said to God: “This is
eternal life, that they may know You, THE ONLY TRUE
GOD, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.” (John
17:3). When they accused him of blasphemy saying:
“You, being a man, make yourself God,” Jesus replied:
“I said, ‘I am the Son of God.’” (John 10:36).
When Peter said to Jesus: “You are the Christ, the Son
of the living God,” Jesus confirmed this was a God-
given revelation. He replied: “Blessed are you, Simon
Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to
you, but My Father who is in heaven.” (Matthew
16:15-17).
This divine affirmation was repeated during Jesus’
baptism (Matthew 3:17); and on the Mount of
Transfiguration. (Matthew 17:5). There can be no
higher validation than these. John says: “If we receive
the witness of men, the witness of God is greater; for
this is the witness of God which He has testified of His
Son.” (I John 5:9). Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the
living God.
Jesus existed “before the foundation of the
world.” (John 17:24). Then he became a man. (John
1:14). But God does not change. (Malachi 3:6). Jesus is
a man. (John 8:40). But God is not a man (Numbers
23:19). Jesus died. But God cannot die. Jesus died but
God raised him from the dead.
Jesus calls himself “the beginning of the creation of
God.” (Revelation 3:14). God confirms this, declaring to
Jesus: “You are My Son, today I have begotten
You.” (Psalm 2:7). But the Father himself is not
begotten. He has no beginning but is from
everlasting. The psalmist declares: “Even from
everlasting to everlasting, You are God.” (Psalm 90:2).
Jesus has a Father. But God has no Father. Jesus has a
God. But there is no other God but God. Jesus says to
Mary: “I am ascending to My Father and your Father,
and to My God and your God.” (John 20:17). However,
it should be understood that the son of a lion is a
lion. Therefore, Jesus, the son of God is a God. God the
Father calls Jesus God, confirming his divinity.
He says to Jesus: “Your throne, O God, is forever and
ever; a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your
kingdom. You love righteousness and hate wickedness;
therefore God, Your God, has anointed You with the oil
of gladness more than Your companions.” (Psalm
45:6-7).
Jesus explained to the Jews that in the scriptures:
“(God) called them gods, to whom the word of God
came.” (John 10:35). Indeed, God calls his sons
gods. He says: “You are gods, and all of you are
children of the Most High. But you shall die like
men,” (Psalm 82:6-7).
He also says to his servant, Moses: “I have made thee a
god to Pharaoh.” (Exodus 7: 1). Moses himself declares
to the Israelites: “The LORD your God is God of gods
and Lord of lords.” (Deuteronomy 10:17). Paul
summarises it thus: “Even if there are so-called gods,
whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods
and many lords), yet for us there is one God, the
Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and
one Lord Jesus Christ.” (I Corinthians 8:5-6).
In short, God is not Father, Son and Holy Ghost. There
is only one God and it is the Father. There is only one
Lord and it is Jesus. As a man cannot be differentiated
from his spirit, so God cannot be differentiated from his
spirit. The Holy Spirit is the spirit of God.
God has no equals
The word “Christ” is not Jesus’ surname. It means “the
Anointed One.” But the anointed must be subordinate
to the anointer. Nowhere in the scriptures is it ever said
or implied that God is anointed. However, Luke says:
“God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit
and with power.” (Acts 10: 38).
The Jews accused Jesus of making himself equal with
God. (John 5:18). But Jesus never makes such claims.
Instead he says: “My Father is greater than I.” (John
14:28). Jesus submitted totally to God. At Gethsemane,
he said to him: “Not My will, but Yours, be do-
ne.” (Luke 22:42).
At-one-ment with God
Nevertheless, Jesus declares: “I and My Father are
one.” (John 10:30). However, the sense in which he
makes this declaration is qualified. Jesus only does the
will of the Father. (John 6:38). He only speaks the
words of the Father. (John 14: 10). The works he does
are the works of the Father.
That is the true atonement, ensuring that he who sees
Jesus sees the Father. (John 14:9). Jesus prescribes the
same atonement for us. He says to God: “I gave them
the same glory you gave me, so that they may be one,
just as you and I are one: I in them and you in me, so
that they may be completely one.” (John 17:22-23).

Emusan:
YES we agree that the HUMANITY of Jesus died BUT not the DIVINE one that’s why Jesus can go and preach to those spirits that were once imprisoned why the body is still in the tomb.
Have you ever asked yourself if Jesus ceased to exist at His death how can He preach to those spirits?



But Jesus Himself said He’ll be the one who will raise Himself, did Jesus lie?



So you mean it was during the time of psalmist that Jesus was begotten, then how is He the beginning of God’s creation?
And The Father called Himself “The beginning...” Rev 20:6 please The Beginning of what?



In what sense does Jesus was begotten?



But The Father is ”The Beginning...” the beginning of what?
Jesus is also from everlasting Micah 5:2



Yet you said below that The Father called the Son God.



See how this below statement exposed your perverted teaching.



If the Father called the Son God then the Father isn’t the ONLY GOD.

In your above illustration you said ”The son of A lion, is A lion”
Now see how you omitted (A) in case of Jesus ”Jesus, the son of God, is a God”
After you omitted a you still went ahead to say “...is a God”

Your statement should be like ”Jesus, the son of (A) God, is a God” BUT you purposely omitted that (A) because of its implication. God sees all your injustice.
It’s either the son of lion, is lion or the son of a lion, is a lion, which if we apply it to Jesus
It’s either the Son of God, is God or The Son of a God, is a God

Again what do you mean by DIVINITY of Jesus?



Thank God you agree that these verses are for the Son.

So how many God do we have now?

These verses were quoted by the writer of the book of Hebrew the question is, what does this writer has in mind by applying this verse(s) which is solely explain the activities of the Yahweh to Jesus Christ?



So far that The Father called everybody including The Son “God” that means the Father is not only God.



See how you exposed your shallow knowledge on scriptures again.
Since Deu 6:4 & Mark 12:29 say ”The Lord our God is ONE LORD” how then Jesus can also be called ONE LORD here? See how you contradict yourself.



But remember you agree that The Father called the Son God and other people in the Bible, so how the Father is now only God?



Yet Deuteronomy 6:4 & Mark 12:29 say ”The LORD our God is ONE LORD”.
That means Jesus is God.



Is it the spirit of man that is controlling the body or it is the body that is controlling the spirit?



Can God put His own Spirit into action? If God can, then it means the Spirit of God can be separated from God.



Is the Spirit of God the same as God?
If God has a Spirit, is it the Spirit that is controlling God’s body or God’s body controlling the Spirit?



Does this name CHRIST apply to Jesus’ DIVINTY?




Jesus was anointed on earth not in His divine existence.



You show it here again, when Jesus says God is His Father the Jews perfectly understood Him that’s why they said He’s making Himself equal with God, Just like the illustration you gave in above about a lion (even though you twisted it) so for Jesus to say God is His Father they knew that Jesus was claiming DIVINTY, which you agree with. Then I want to know what you mean by DIVINTY of Jesus!



Yes the Father is greater than Him in position.



Yes we all know that.



In fact this is not only getting out of hand but also astonished that ATONEMENT means the above.

Do you know the meaning of ATONEMENT?

haffaze777:
pls quote from error free scripture if u have one not from dis error full book called Bible

PastorKun:
It's full of errors yet your 'prophet' plagiarised it. Even though he did a very poor job of it getting his facts twisted and contradicting himself most of the time.

haffaze777:
pls quote from error free scripture if u have one not from dis error full book called Bible

Emusan:
If not because your brain is working upside down you would've asked yourself, which book did Femi Aribasala himself use?

You can agree with Femi when he used the same book that full of error but disagree with my point from the same book

malvisguy212:
I loved this reply. Hope you are doing alright bro.

Emusan:
Yeah Brother! And you?

Emusan:
If not because your brain is working upside down you would've asked yourself, which book did Femi Aribasala himself use?

You can agree with Femi when he used the same book that full of error but disagree with my point from the same book

haffaze777:
u must be mapa,where did I said dat I agree wit him?use ur brain bros stop relying on dis unscientific book

Emusan:
You didn't agree with him but you can search for his article and come to Nairaland to create thread.
Why can't you use the articles of those who support Trinity?

Everyone can see that you're the one who couldn't use his God's giving brain.

The same unscientific book still prophecy the coming of Muhammad I guess, deluded fellow!

haffaze777:
stop being mapa guy just quote where I said ur book predict d coming of anybody or keep shut

Emusan:
Firstly, you can now see how you agree with Femi!

Lastly, are you denying the prophecy of Muhammad in the Bible?