I have always wondered why pastas resist embracing technology such as Youtube and they disseminate sermons freely.
DVDs too. I buy the blanks at around ten to the USD. Throw in the burning and the label usually done by volunteers and church equipments. A DVD costs far less than USD 0.5. Why then do we have DVDs, messages especially series going for up to USD 50?

Are they not guilty of presenting the gospel 'with charge'?

1 Corinthians 9:18 King James Version (KJV)
18 What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.

Ask dem

What do you think I have just done, aks myself?

eistien:
Ask dem

vooks:
What do you think I have just done, aks myself?

Happy new year fool. Wake up and see the light. Embrace the Lucifer within. May your path be rough.

The luxuries enjoyed by these pastors has to be paid for somehow.

There will be rejoicing in Heaven when you repent and turn to Jesus Christ

sonOfLucifer:

Happy new year fool. Wake up and see the light. Embrace the Lucifer within. May your path be rough.

vooks:
There will be rejoicing in Heaven when you repent and turn to Jesus Christ

Heaven must be a really dull place.

these pastors are into business, dont u get it?

these pastors are into business, dont u get it?

@OP, because the congregation are patronizing their goods. If they don't have customers to patronise them they will close shop.

Wasn't it money they used in producing it?

Cost of mass producing DVDs is very low. Or do you suppose they should restrict the gospel to those who can afford?

elantraceey:
Wasn't it money they used in producing it?

2 Peter 2:1-3King James Version (KJV)

2 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

3  And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

PastorKun:
2 Peter 2:1-3King James Version (KJV)
2 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
3  And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

Are you really a Pastor?

sonOfLucifer:

Are you really a Pastor?

Get thee behind me satan.

PastorKun:


Get thee behind me satan.

Fake pastor, I am not gay. Mumu.

vooks:
I have always wondered why pastas resist embracing technology such as Youtube and they disseminate sermons freely.
DVDs too. I buy the blanks at around ten to the USD. Throw in the burning and the label usually done by volunteers and church equipments. A DVD costs far less than USD 0.5. Why then do we have DVDs, messages especially series going for up to USD 50?

Are they not guilty of presenting the gospel 'with charge'?

1 Corinthians 9:18 King James Version (KJV)
18 What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.

There are some that make gain from it. There are some that have it on YouTube. However, i doubt if 90% of people have access to as much Internet as to watch or stream messages. Even those that have are not always graced with good network here in Nigeria. Once you buy your message, it's yours and you can use it repeatedly. By the way, the original live message is usually free, and buying for subsequent listening or view is not compulsory. Just my opinion though.

vooks:
I have always wondered why pastas resist embracing technology such as Youtube and they disseminate sermons freely.
DVDs too. I buy the blanks at around ten to the USD. Throw in the burning and the label usually done by volunteers and church equipments. A DVD costs far less than USD 0.5. Why then do we have DVDs, messages especially series going for up to USD 50?

Are they not guilty of presenting the gospel 'with charge'?

1 Corinthians 9:18 King James Version (KJV)
18 What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.

They present the gospel with charge alright. it does not make them guilty of anything
That they apostle who wrote the verse decided tor forgo his potential reward does not mean others should do too
those apostles were super humans, ours in this generation have lots of carnal needs

knowledge does not come cheap
and in fact, if you make it cheap, it would be scorned

I have only one answer as to the why. It is the love of money.

esere826:


They present the gospel with charge alright. it does not make them guilty of anything
That they apostle who wrote the verse decided tor forgo his potential reward does not mean others should do too
those apostles were super humans, ours in this generation have lots of carnal needs

knowledge does not come cheap
and in fact, if you make it cheap, it would be scorned

I am soooooo disappointed that you could utter such crap." Does knowledge come cheap"?

I actually thought you were the more moderate of these Christian retar.D's. I guess I was wrong again to assume that were intelligent and rational Christians.

If Jesus was actually alive to hear you utter such utterly st.up.Id and ridiculous statements, he wound cry so loud as to knock the earth out it's orbit .

I think we can now understand why the early Christians were persecuted in Rome for corrupting the moral underpinnings of society.

The sheer stupidity, greed and immorality that emanates from this toxic variant of a fraudulent religion is just overwhelming.
This is a shocking endorsement of fraud and all that is immoral about Pentecostal Christianity.

vooks:
I have always wondered why pastas resist embracing technology such as Youtube and they disseminate sermons freely.
DVDs too. I buy the blanks at around ten to the USD. Throw in the burning and the label usually done by volunteers and church equipments. A DVD costs far less than USD 0.5. Why then do we have DVDs, messages especially series going for up to USD 50?

Are they not guilty of presenting the gospel 'with charge'?

1 Corinthians 9:18 King James Version (KJV)
18 What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.

True, but very sad. I think the CDs are very costly because of the high royalties on it. But then we have few pastors who still maintain their integrity

Most Christians, both pastors and their flock have never heard of the word "SIMONY ".

Pentecostalism is largely based on the sin and crime of Simony.
In cannon law, simony is perhaps the greatest crime one can commit against the body of Christ.

By selling things that are supposed to confer spiritual benefits, these Pentecostal harlots are crucifying Jesus over and over every single hour.
Poor Jesus.
I really feel his pains.

Pentecostalism in Nigeria is nothing short of medieval Churchianity.
A reenactment of negative history.

plaetton:

I am soooooo disappointed that you could utter such crap." Does knowledge come cheap"?

I actually thought you were the more moderate of these Christian retar.D's. I guess I was wrong again to assume that were intelligent and rational Christians.

If Jesus was actually alive to hear you utter such utterly st.up.Id and ridiculous statements, he wound cry so loud as to knock the earth out it's orbit .

I think we can now understand why the early Christians were persecuted in Rome for corrupting the moral underpinnings of society.

The sheer stupidity, greed and immorality that emanates from this toxic variant of a fraudulent religion is just overwhelming.
This is a shocking endorsement of fraud and all that is immoral about Pentecostal Christianity.

No need to be shocked my friend
it is what it is

If you want to become a christian and preach the gospel for free with your own resources
we would be happy about it

I do a lot of learning by browsing free stuff on the internet
I am thankful for 'those' like wikipedia and opensource who put up stuff for free
however, i do not get upset if Microsoft decides to ensure that users pay for their product
i simply switch to the next free product

esere826:


No need to be shocked my friend
it is what it is

If you want to become a christian and preach the gospel for free with your own resources
we would be happy about it

I do a lot of learning by browsing free stuff on the internet
I am thankful for 'those' like wikipedia and opensource who put up stuff for free
however, i do not get upset if Microsoft decides to ensure that users pay for their product
i simply switch to the next free product

Ever heard of " Simony" ?

Pls Google it and tell us what it means , what it means to you in light of the immoral nonsense you and your type are peddling.

plaetton:

Ever heard of " Simony" ?

Pls Google it and tell us what it means , what it means to you in light of the immoral nonsense you and your type are peddling.

I did read it
I can see your point but i think its blurred
simon himself requested to buy power not a tape, but was rebuked

for the institution of simony in an ecclesiastel body
If the leadership of a body says something is wrong,
then it can be said to be wrong within that institution only (lets not worry about the external environment here)

If the body choses to sell its product
the externals to this transaction 'MIGHT' only be worried if what is offered is not what is got
and they want to protect the buyer

too many comedians in this section

vooks:
I have always wondered why pastas resist embracing technology such as Youtube and they disseminate sermons freely.
DVDs too. I buy the blanks at around ten to the USD. Throw in the burning and the label usually done by volunteers and church equipments. A DVD costs far less than USD 0.5. Why then do we have DVDs, messages especially series going for up to USD 50?

Are they not guilty of presenting the gospel 'with charge'?

1 Corinthians 9:18 King James Version (KJV)
18 What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.

I support the sale of the tapes primarily because it is more likely to elicit listenership. It is basic human nature that people do not properly value what they get free of charge. I know an RCCG pastor who places CDs for free distribution at an African grocery store. I think I picked one or two copies but never listened to them. These days, I don't bother picking any even when I see them lying there. Chances are higher, though not 100%, that I'd have listened if I paid for it.

Selling a CD is not selling the gospel nor is it making merchandise of people. If that were the case, nobody should sell the Bible even for a small profit. Paul was talking about individuals making money. CD sales go to the ministry and the money used to support activities of the church including other costs of the CD that you omitted, such as salaries for those that produce and distribute the CDs, if they're not volunteers. Not to mention the cost of maintaining the buildings, which is not always fully covered by offerings.

Even if the money goes to the individual pastor, eg a pastor that's just starting his work, I don't think its wrong. It costs money and time to buy resources that help in studying for the message. Without compensation, the quality of the message on CDs is likely to suffer as little investment is made. The pastor would have to spend more time at a secular job to pay his bills. I'd prefer richer messages that are paid for than free watery messages that are less meaningful.

My personal beef is only with pastors or ministries that charge excessively for the materials. I saw a Branch of a Nigerian church here selling a DVD for $20. Same copy that came from Nigeria and obviously sells for far less there. In fact, I was surprised to see you could get CDs for about $1 equivalent in Nigeria, though I'm not sure of the price of DVDs there. High price defeats the purpose of getting the people feed on the message and grow spiritually.

plaetton:
Pentecostalism is largely based on the sin and crime of Simony.
In cannon law, simony is perhaps the greatest crime one can commit against the body of Christ.

By selling things that are supposed to confer spiritual benefits, these Pentecostal harlots are crucifying Jesus over and over every single hour.
Poor Jesus.
I really feel his pains.

Pentecostalism in Nigeria is nothing short of medieval Churchianity.
A reenactment of negative history.

What makes you think it is limited to Pentecostalism in Nigeria? And are you suggesting that non-Pentecostal groups, e.g. Catholics, do not charge for materials produced by their ministers? You have the wrong definition or application of simony.

nlMediator:


What makes you think it is limited to Pentecostalism in Nigeria? And are you suggesting that non-Pentecostal groups, e.g. Catholics, do not charge for materials produced by their ministers? You have the wrong definition or application of simony.

It is not a matter of charging, or even fund raising for the social services of the church. It is about profiteering. Church activities, anything related passing the spiritual message of Jesus or the Christ should never ever be sold for profit.
What is the difference between the temple money changers upon whom Jesus went berserk and the pentecostal fraudsters of today?

In case you don't know, The Catholic church bankrolls numerous social programs for the benefits of public.

Have you ever heard of the term " selfless service " ? This is a point, a cardinal point of the message of Jesus.

In case you don't also know, catholic priests are sworn to an oat of poverty to live simple austere lives, and do not own poverty, obviously embodiment of the concept of " selfless service " .

Therefore, if and whenever the Catholic church makes a profit from its's estates, we know that the money would be recycled through the social welfare system of the church.

Can you say the same for pentecostal churches?

^^^
I don't appreciate a conflation of issues in discussions. Doing charity or social services is not part of this discussion. Let's stay focused.

1. Do you believe that those who translate and publish a version of the Bible should sell it or should give all the copies away for free?

2. Are you suggesting that Catholic priests who write books do not sell those books? Hint: they do.

3. I have good friends who are Catholic priests and good friends who are pastors. On average, the catholic priests enjoy a higher quality of life. Nice car. Nice residence. Some change in pocket. And I'm not talking of those who are fairly wealthy, owning a house or investment, as those may be considered an aberration. Nor am I mentioning the bishops that built or maintained palaces for themselves as official residences.

When was the last time you saw a catholic priest jumping a molue?

Here is what I have observed
1. Unnecessary splitting of messages into several DVDS to make a 'series'. A 2 hour sermon that can comfortably sit on a dvd is split into 40 minutes bits,a set of 3 DVDS sold of course at the price of 3.

2. Most of the DVDS are bought by people who watched the pastor live. These are the same members who support ministry and as such there is no need to profit from them

3. Charging for DVDS is one step away from charging for Live sermons

4. Selling merchandise is always restrictive;fewer benefit. Don't tell me that 'mature' believers know the value of the message exceeds the cost

Personally, I favor the open source approach like Linux. I can download at. My expense a Hirens Boot CD and burn it but ordering a CD costs me. In short, free resources but believers pay the small cost of distribution.

Cc
NLMediator
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