remsonik:

When is the first chemo session? I believe that we can communicate Craig's request to the doctors at LCC.

jaybee3:

We have repeatedly told you we are not his doctors. We have painstakingly relayed every single bit of information we hold but yet you keep asking us expected outcome when the patient has been diagnosed with a stage 4 cancer

Do you want us to cook up things for you because i'm struggling to understand your continuous hammering about this same issue.

We are not experts on predictive outcomes of medical cases and our expertise lays elsewhere!

BTW: Nothing stops you from calling the doctors at LCC to confirm if we've been econominical with information shared and ask any other specific questions you may have!

ochon:


1. Thank God is mere hearsays.

2. Chai!! Wahala dey o. If we can't get updates or the doctors' informations regarding their progress, then confusion and unrest will arise. This situation is critical. This is sad. Oga Pick, is there a way to see if a doctor can write down the progress of the treatment which an internet savvy neighbour or family member can then come online to update? Because without update (or with a wrong update), this project won't work out. Accusations will fill up the thread.

ochon:


Okay. Judging from what Alutacontinua said, there's no definitive way to know if chemo will give a positive result or not and Craig has co-signed her post. So whatever decision we make now onwards, we have to hope for the very best. Well we can't fold our hands and seek for alternative cure while DJ is not yet undergoing any treatment.

So this is MY opinion on this:

1. Start the chemo treatment at LCC. Let's go with the NY suggestion. If we along the line, find an alternative cure/method, it'll be relayed to the doctors to get their opinions.

2. Send this Craig's appraisal to LLC or LUTH and ask of their opinions.

3. While the treatment is going on or if possible tomorrow, fulfill this part of Craig's wishes - "If his performance status was good, then I would want to know whether more detail could be obtained from the cytology of the cells in the ascites, or obtain a core biopsy from a deposit if a deposit is identifiable on CT."

That's if it's possible. Two heads are better than one.


Other contributions are needed. Time no dey again.

Originalsly:
This is the arrogance that leads to all the back and forth on this thread. I've been asking and getting no response . Don't I know that you guys are not medical experts? You are the ones communicating with the doctors and serve as the middle men so when a question is directed to TeHN it is for TeHN to pass it on to the doctors and give a feedback. Now here you are telling me to call LCC. Did the doctors at LCC tell us about the 18 week chemo treatment? ...you guys told us...were you doctors then to tell us?...and now a question is asked and you can't give an answer because you are not doctors? In my first request for this info I specifically said I expected you to get the answers from the doctors...and here you are spewing what I wanted to avoid. If you weren't told nor asked about EXPECTED outcomes then just say so. I know no doctor would ever guarantee any outcome....but at least they should state their expectations and that's all I'm asking.

MoltenMagma:

How can chemo be an option when the location/origin of the cancer hasn't been identified? Chemo in my opinion should be crossed out, and palliative treatment should be our focus.

Originalsly:
This is the arrogance that leads to all the back and forth on this thread. I've been asking and getting no response . Don't I know that you guys are not medical experts? You are the ones communicating with the doctors and serve as the middle men so when a question is directed to TeHN it is for TeHN to pass it on to the doctors and give a feedback. Now here you are telling me to call LCC. Did the doctors at LCC tell us about the 18 week chemo treatment? ...you guys told us...were you doctors then to tell us?...and now a question is asked and you can't give an answer because you are not doctors? In my first request for this info I specifically said I expected you to get the answers from the doctors...and here you are spewing what I wanted to avoid. If you weren't told nor asked about EXPECTED outcomes then just say so. I know no doctor would ever guarantee any outcome....but at least they should state their expectations and that's all I'm asking.

Idowuogbo:

The spirit of progress

alutacontinua:


[/b]No one can give their words on how the chemo will go.[b]
A stage 4 cancer is not something anybody can boldly say chemotherapy will do this or that.

However, the alternative treatments you mentioned (which btw, I am absolutely not in support of) would have to be agreed upon by the house. TeHN, as you can see, are no longer calling the shots! If you have to go that route, lay it bare and let the house decide if that is what they want. Don't put this on TeHN, that is what they're totally trying to avoid.

jaybee3:

They primary location has been narrowed down to the liver but they don't want to perform a biopsy on the liver as it will make him weaker

Originalsly:
Bro...I get that. Alternative treatment was a suggestion I put to the house. It was not taken up and I said fine...,that's history. My questions were based on the agreed way forward which is chemo. At the bolded...I know that...that's why I keep saying expected outcome. Same as if you get on a bus from Lagos going to Aba....your expected destination is Aba...but there is no guarantee the bus will take you there. I'm asking for the epected destination...and that seems to be a big problem.

MoltenMagma:

So he has liver cancer?? Gosh.

jaybee3:

Did you even bother to read my post Mr or you are just on a whinning bender?

How do you know which chemo drugs to use bearing in mind we don’t know where the cancer is coming from? –
They know from the ascetic fluid cytology report that the cancer is an adenocarcinoma. Chemo is systemic and they will use the drug that kills adenocarcinomas. According to him, adenocarcinomas usually come from the liver and the colon and since the colon is clear (from colposcopy results) its more likely from the liver and from previous results a mass was seen in the liver

How will you know for certain that it’s from the liver
A liver biopsy would give a 100% result, but they have no intention of further distressing the patient by doing a liver biopsy as they already have all the info that they need

pickabeau1:
Can you be available to accompany Hammed for one of the sessions?

Originalsly

Originalsly:
If I could you didn't had to ask...I would've been there ages ago. I am farr removed from Lagos.

jaybee3:

Originalsly:
If I could you didn't had to ask...I would've been there ages ago. I am farr removed from Lagos.

MoltenMagma:

My guy forget all these grammer. My head can't process all these big medical terms. All I know is that he has cancer and from the report it is likely liver cancer. Gosh

MoltenMagma:

How can chemo be an option when the location/origin of the cancer hasn't been identified? Chemo in my opinion should be crossed out, and palliative treatment should be our focus.

MoltenMagma:

How can chemo be an option when the location/origin of the cancer hasn't been identified? Chemo in my opinion should be crossed out, and palliative treatment should be our focus.

pickabeau1:


ok.. no problem

Can you provide more information on the alternative therapy for the house to deliberate upon

pickabeau1:

Yes it was hearsay yet it was the basis for the harassment and allegations made



This is possible and can be explored
When i went to see the patient, I asked the brother why there was not much more visible involvement than what we were seeing
I was told the other people are either incapacitated financially or in scattered places around.

He is also not as internet savvy as you or anyone here so. He himself had to be available in a haphazard manner as he works daily

You will do well to remember they considered a tradomedicinal outfit before TeHN took over

If he does not work,he cannot earn hene the field worker had to stop everything for this
He could not partake in the Xmas or New Year activities with his family

Originalsly:
Google. Aloe Aborescens- Alternative Cancer Treatments- Cancer Tutor. You can follow up on cancer tutor to learn more about the effectiveness of these treatments compared with chemo and other othrodox treatments.I posted this earlier. Medical doctors are generally banned from suggesting alternative treatments so don't even think about consulting hospital doctors about this.

ochon:

Mehn!! I'm just weak. Let's forget about updates for now then. and get his treatment started. Anytime we receive updates,we'll make do with it. His health is the most important priority not updates.

Originalsly:
Google. Aloe Aborescens- Alternative Cancer Treatments- Cancer Tutor. You can follow up on cancer tutor to learn more about the effectiveness of these treatments compared with chemo and other othrodox treatments.I posted this earlier. Medical doctors are generally banned from suggesting alternative treatments so don't even think about consulting hospital doctors about this.

pickabeau1:



If the house gives the go ahead on the chemo option and provides volunteers
So far we only two volunteers

Originalsly:
Google. Aloe Aborescens- Alternative Cancer Treatments- Cancer Tutor. You can follow up on cancer tutor to learn more about the effectiveness of these treatments compared with chemo and other othrodox treatments.I posted this earlier. Medical doctors are generally banned from suggesting alternative treatments so don't even think about consulting hospital doctors about this.

r231:
Hi All,

In the spirit of openness and sharing absolutely all we know, we just received feedback this morning from a consultant with the BMI Healthcare UK that was contacted late last week (Friday). Only the consultant’s name has been redacted and the message is as received.



“The patient has incurable cancer. Whether chemotherapy is worthwhile is unpredictable.

Generally if the patient is poorly and is not well enough to work, get out of the house each day, (performance status of 3 or worse), chemotherapy is likely to do more harm than good.

If his performance status was good, then I would want to know whether more detail could be obtained from the cytology of the cells in the ascites, or obtain a core biopsy from a deposit if a deposit is identifiable on CT. however

if the performance status is as poor as it sounds he is unlikely to benefit from chemo and it will likely cause more rapid decline.

Regards



B *****



In light of this new dimension, we plead that we all put our heads together to work out and endorse the best treatment option for DJ. We’ve shared every single information that we hold and this is the time to drop all differences and focus on the mighty job at hand.



We have shared the various risks that we believe are attached to each treatment option. At this point, we ourselves simply don’t know the best option and we implore that all options with their practicalities are considered at this point.



We don’t have luxury of time as DJ is still very heal so we really need to act very fast with whatever we decide.



TeHN as promised will continue to provide all the mechanism for financial management and you can be rest assured that the individuals that make up TeHN will support whatever is decided in their own individual capacities.



Regards



TeHN