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Re: Nigeria Set To Lose $466m In Military Scam by bakila: 9:11pm On Feb 06, 2015
Eluwilussit:
So na only those people you remember? What of the likes of Fashola and Duke? Ribadu and Rochas? Do you have any idea that Buhari committed treason by overthrowing Shagari's government? Tell me how Jonathan has favoured the south compared to the north? If you are comfortable with a coupist, I am not. Hope you stay safe in the coming election. I am a proud nigerian and I want the best for my country. No compromise. Never.
You don't get it this election is not about Buhari. It is to tell PDP that they don't own this country and even if they do they have no right to run it like that in a democracy.
When was the last time the names you mentioned presented themselves in elections and what happened?
Ask about internal democracy in PDP and also seek honest answers how they have been wining all previous elections. You will understand why some of us want change, after you get the answer.
Re: Nigeria Set To Lose $466m In Military Scam by Eluwilussit(m): 9:34pm On Feb 06, 2015
bakila:
You don't get it this election is not about Buhari. It is to tell PDP that they don't own this country and even if they do they have no right to run it like that in a democracy.
When was the last time the names you mentioned presented themselves in elections and what happened?
Ask about internal democracy in PDP and also seek honest answers how they have been wining all previous elections. You will understand why some of us want change, after you get the answer.
That's exactly the problem. We appear to want change just to prove a point to PDP and not because change is absolutely necessary at this point in our young democracy.

I want change too. As a man of principle, I will rather stick with Jonathan than elect a former coupist. Bro, these guys have been around for too long. Every penny they made, they made through government. Na only them dey nigeria? Na only them fight civil war?

Nigerians started paying Buhari's salary since independence. 54 years later, he is the only one to replace jonathan. Really? If the North doesnt have a better candidate than buhari, then there's a serious problem up north.

Hey, I appreciate your desire for change and good governance. I am with you on that. We only differ in our choice of candidate. We need to be patient with Jonathan. But I understand what opposition is all about. Power tussle.

Again, don't get me wrong. I said categorically, that I can't sit with GMB in a democratic setting. Mind you, if it is about the military, I will take note and even record every word he says. In military matters, he is an authority. In civil matters, he's a traitor. A Coupist.

Anyway, what's the plan for the weekend? Hope you stay safe. Ttyl
Re: Nigeria Set To Lose $466m In Military Scam by bakila: 9:47pm On Feb 06, 2015
Eluwilussit:
That's exactly the problem. We appear to want change just to prove a point to PDP and not because change is absolutely necessary at this point in our young democracy.

I want change too. As a man of principle, I will rather stick with Jonathan than elect a former coupist. Bro, these guys have been around for too long. Every penny they made, they made through government. Na only them dey nigeria? Na only them fight civil war?

Nigerians started paying Buhari's salary since independence. 54 years later, he is the only one to replace jonathan. Really? If the North doesnt have a better candidate than buhari, then there's a serious problem up north.

Hey, I appreciate your desire for change and good governance. I am with you on that. We only differ in our choice of candidate. We need to be patient with Jonathan. But I understand what opposition is all about. Power tussle.

Again, don't get me wrong. I said categorically, that I can't sit with GMB in a democratic setting. Mind you, if it is about the military, I will take note and even record every word he says. In military matters, he is an authority. In civil matters, he's a traitor. A Coupist.

Anyway, what's the plan for the weekend? Hope you stay safe. Ttyl
Hmmm, I think you are not in this country or a beneficiary of Goodluck fresh air. We are safe with one eye open because president no dey so him work for. Security side.
Re: Nigeria Set To Lose $466m In Military Scam by bakila: 9:51pm On Feb 06, 2015
Eluwilussit:
That's exactly the problem. We appear to want change just to prove a point to PDP and not because change is absolutely necessary at this point in our young democracy.

I want change too. As a man of principle, I will rather stick with Jonathan than elect a former coupist. Bro, these guys have been around for too long. Every penny they made, they made through government. Na only them dey nigeria? Na only them fight civil war?

Nigerians started paying Buhari's salary since independence. 54 years later, he is the only one to replace jonathan. Really? If the North doesnt have a better candidate than buhari, then there's a serious problem up north.

Hey, I appreciate your desire for change and good governance. I am with you on that. We only differ in our choice of candidate. We need to be patient with Jonathan. But I understand what opposition is all about. Power tussle.

Again, don't get me wrong. I said categorically, that I can't sit with GMB in a democratic setting. Mind you, if it is about the military, I will take note and even record every word he says. In military matters, he is an authority. In civil matters, he's a traitor. A Coupist.

Anyway, what's the plan for the weekend? Hope you stay safe. Ttyl
Read the headwind of this thread and digest. If you are making so much money in Nigeria you should hold on to hour opinion. Either way hold on to your opinion. Nigeria should be better than it is. Fortunately for now Buhari represent hope and a change from sleaze and tacit endorsement of corruption.
Re: Nigeria Set To Lose $466m In Military Scam by Eluwilussit(m): 10:04pm On Feb 06, 2015
lastpage:
The President is like the FATHER in a Household.

If he is an thief.... would you be surprised that his wife and children turn out to be thieves or at least, Area Boyz?

Leaders "lead by example". "Followers" follow!
Leaders "set the pace, dictate the tune" for others to follow.


If your President, a PhD holder, says "Stealing is not Corruption"...... what signal do you think he is sending-out to thieves?
He is saying "You are welcomed, Steal more"
.

That is why he bears responsibility..... even though he himself has looted out treasury beyond measure.
He might currently be using the Power of Incumbency of a sitting president to "protect himself" (are you aware that the Nigerian Constitution says: President is IMMUNE from prosecution?) ...but his days are numbered. he will have his day in court...one day!

BTW: Did you listen or read the report of the "Independent Audit" (Price WaterHouse Coopers) of the NNPC, instituted by Jonathan himself?
Charles Soludo said close to 20Billion Dollars was stolen at NNPC.....
The Audit report said it was less but NNPC should refund Half a Billion Dollars to the Fed Govt!
You can Google the report yourself and then read it.


Do you still blame the ordinary Nigerian on the street for such level of "institutionalised Corruption on massive scale"?
Common, let us be fair on Nigerians.
Lastpage, thanks for your time and line of argument. I appreciate your decorum.

I beg to differ with you though. I happen to have been opportuned to experience how things work in a true democratic setting. Power belongs to the people. The electorate and not any of the arms of government ant their agencies.

We, the masses are the problem. We are still very fast asleep. We don't care to find out our rights. We ain't even ready to fight for our rights not to talk of dying for them. We attach so much importance to our lives, minus Boko haram.

Now think about it like this: the politicians are just an extension of the society. They didn't come from mars. They don't become corrupt when they get into offices. They get into office because they are corrupt and willing to do anything to win. We vote them in because they are the ones with money for campaign. How many honest men will get nomination without cash? Why are our elections so expensive?

Do you think Buhari would have stood a chance without the backing of Tinubu and Amaechi? Tinubu is known by all as a very corrupt man. Why is Buhari hobnobbing with him?

Until a time when you don't need so much money to contest an election in nigeria, we will always have issues with corruption.

Jonathan is corrupt, because he is surrounded by corrupt men. If everyone around Jona is not corrupt, it will be difficult for him to be corrupt. In western nations, the people keep their governments honest and not the other way around.
Re: Nigeria Set To Lose $466m In Military Scam by Eluwilussit(m): 10:24pm On Feb 06, 2015
bakila:
Read the headwind of this thread and digest. If you are making so much money in Nigeria you should hold on to hour opinion. Either way hold on to your opinion. Nigeria should be better than it is. Fortunately for now Buhari represent hope and a change from sleaze and tacit endorsement of corruption.
I read the story. Every bit of it. I don't see how Jonathan is responsible for that. We have the defence minister and military chieves who should be able to account to the people.

There's no doubt in my mind that Buhari will fight and defeat Boko Haram better than Jonathan. But that's not without a good reason. Not necessarily because he was a soldier, but because he is a northerner and will get the support of almost every northerner. No one will be able to accuse him of being anti-North. The same man that was against the emergency rule in the northeast and saw it as a war against the North, now has the mantra to stop the insurgency.

I feel for the North. I hate to see the destructions going on in the North. I have over 50 school mates from the North. I love the North as much as I love every other part. My refusal to accept Buhari has nothing to do with his region or religion. It is simply because I believe in democracy and I do think that it is morally wrong to reward every coup plotter with our presidency.


Haha, you no dey sleep? What's your email?
Re: Nigeria Set To Lose $466m In Military Scam by bakila: 10:37pm On Feb 06, 2015
Eluwilussit:
I read the story. Every bit of it. I don't see how Jonathan is responsible for that. We have the defence minister and military chieves who should be able to account to the people.

There's no doubt in my mind that Buhari will fight and defeat Boko Haram better than Jonathan. But that's not without a good reason. Not necessarily because he was a soldier, but because he is a northerner and will get the support of almost every northerner. No one will be able to accuse him of being anti-North. The same man that was against the emergency rule in the northeast and saw it as a war against the North, now has the mantra to stop the insurgency.

I feel for the North. I hate to see the destructions going on in the North. I have over 50 school mates from the North. I love the North as much as I love every other part. My refusal to accept Buhari has nothing to do with his region or religion. It is simply because I believe in democracy and I do think that it is morally wrong to reward every coup plotter with our presidency.


Haha, you no dey sleep? What's your email?
A coup plotter who contested election four times and went to the Tribunal. Oh boy Lawyers became rich from handling those matters for PDP. If you have played football or any other team sport, their is always that play that you want to have play on your side. Buhari is that player in matters of security and discipline. People will be a little careful with corruption which weakens a country a lot. Boko will be defeated when Buhari becomes president not for any Northern reason but because they know he will go after them fully and knows how to go after people like them. Ask yourself why did Buhari participated in that Coup? What did he use it for? Was it for personal aggrandizement or to fix a nature and make it orderly and good?
How can I sleep at this time, I do reach wise men age. Send yours?
Re: Nigeria Set To Lose $466m In Military Scam by Eluwilussit(m): 10:42pm On Feb 06, 2015
lastpage:
I dont know how old you are in 1983, but if you were old enough to know what the NPN and its band of thieves were doing to this country back then (which set the stage for the monumental corruption that went on under IBB.... and just a little way below the Shenanigans going on under Goodluck Jonathan) YOU WILL NOT WRITE THAT STATEMENT. I was doing my HSC back then.

Its like saying Jerry Rawlings committed treason for overthrowing the corrupt elites in Ghana back then, of which benefit, Ghana is reaping since then.

Dont reason in isolation..... look out for "cause and effect".

Lastpage!
There's no reason to overthrow the people's govt. Buhari and all the other coupists are inexcusable. No matter how bad the Shagari govt was, the Nigerian electorate re-elected it. We didn't elect the soldiers.

Do you know that all the military rule is the reason why policemen and military men abuse nigerians daily? How will these offers respect civilians when their bosses can kick the arses of elected officials and still come back and we vote for them?

I was a teenager during Buhari's regime. A dude in high school no be small pikin. Please, if Buhari is truly the best, go ahead and vote for him. I wish the general long life but not the presidency.

No vex o. This is the beauty of the ballot. Sleep tight bro.
Re: Nigeria Set To Lose $466m In Military Scam by Eluwilussit(m): 11:29pm On Feb 06, 2015
G[quote author=bakila post=30495946]A coup plotter who contested election four times and went to the Tribunal. Oh boy Lawyers became rich from handling those matters for PDP. If you have played football or any other team sport, their is always that play that you want to have play on your side. Buhari is that player in matters of security and discipline. People will be a little careful with corruption which weakens a country a lot. Boko will be defeated when Buhari becomes president not for any Northern reason but because they know he will go after them fully and knows how to go after people like them. Ask yourself why did Buhari participated in that Coup? What did he use it for? Was it for personal aggrandizement or to fix a nature and make it orderly and good?
How can I sleep at this time, I do reach wise men age. Send yours?[/quot

There's no reason for coups. I don't subscribe to it. An officer's job is to protect democracy. Not abolish it. Even if Buhari came from heaven, I will not vote for him. I didn't vote for Obasanjo in 1999 for the same reason. And I am a baba fan.

Nothing personal. Matter of principle.
Re: Nigeria Set To Lose $466m In Military Scam by armadeo(m): 11:47pm On Feb 06, 2015
xwolverine:
Whistleblowers in the defence industry are raising the alarm over a massive fraud of $466.5 million about to be executed at the Nigeria Air Force (NAF) with some arms dealers, using the United States’ refusal to grant export permit for military hardware to Nigeria as pretext.

A letter to the government aroused the suspicion. An arms procurement company wrote that in view of the refusal of the US to give export licence to Nigeria, it had reached an agreement with NAF to substitute the initial order for Cobra AH-IV with alternate attack platform which it claimed, has greater fire power.

The letter detailed the alternate equipment to include six upgraded armed Puma Helicopters with the equivalent attack capabilities of the Cobra; four SU-25KM upgraded ground support/ attack aircraft;2 EU 25 UB for the purpose of qualifying and training NAF pilots for specific mission.

To power the pitch further, it offer additional incentive by proposing to build a suitable purpose built storage and hanger for the Puma and SU25 helicopters to accommodate the ground support requirements.

Same day, the company initiated a second correspondence with the NAF from its representative office at 1c Barnes High Street, London SW 13 9LB, United Kingdom titled “ Additional Critical Armament Requirement for NAF”. The company put the cummulative charges for the various equipment, including shipping at $466.5million.

Whistleblowers were shocked that in a government parastatal known for slow moving mails and deliberations, the NAF recommended the pitch by the military hardware supply company to the higher echelon of government within 16 days of submitting the proposal.

In its recommendation, NAF wrote: “The NAF hereby confirms the letters from the firm (name withheld) regarding platform amendment and additional armament requirement for the NAF. This arrangement became necessary because the United States of America failed to endorse the sale of Cobra AH-IV attack helicopter to Nigeria.

Accordingly, NAF has agreed that the said firm (name withheld) replace the Cobra helicopter with six upgraded armed Puma helicopters, four upgraded SU-25KM and two upgraded SU-25UB attack aircraft”.

The NAF stated that the technical specifications and scopes of work for the aircraft types, required upgrade, training and support package as well as the additional armament requirements have been signed by both parties.

Stridently painting the urgent need for the supply, the NAF urged the approving authority to consent to the request immediately to address current national security challenges as the equipment were needed in the short term.

Curiously, the NAF letter admitted that the equipment being procured was not the appropriate hardware to meet the needs. It noted that the acquisition of new Mangusta 129-Attack Helicopters were actually needed to enhance the Force’s operational capabilities.

The contents of the correspondence soon became known to insiders in the Defence industry and led to serious petitions against the transaction on the grounds that it would amount to massive fraud if executed and that the NAF was guilty of negligence as it did not carry out the mandatory due diligence before endorsing the deal.

According to a petition by a military hardware supplier, “ the total cost of $345.05million, including freight in the attached invoice…does not differentiate between the Puma and SU-25. The unit cost for the SU-25 is mentioned as $11million for a new jet on the internet. While the offered SU-25 are not new, the Puma helicopters are heavily overloaded in price of at least $45 million each”.

Wondering why the NAF would prefer overloaded cost, the company said it quoted $25 million for the helicopter adding that the $39.45 million offered by the preferred firm for armament to NAF, far exceeded its quotation of $13million.

Its conclusion: “This proposed deal being supported by the approving authority is heavily overloaded and considering the probable age of the equipment, is not a fair deal for Nigeria at all”. It added that the proposed training for the pilots and the building of a new hanger are out of place since the pilots are adequately trained and there exisits a subsisting hanger.

Defence industry sources believe that the transaction is a smokescreen for massive fraud as the proposed equipment are no longer being produced and those being refurbished for supply under this transaction cannot deliver on their functions.

Efforts to obtain the reaction of the NAF at the time of going to press were not fruitful as the official lines of the media department were switched off.


Source: http://thenationonlineng.net/new/nigeria-set-lose-466m-arms-deal/
WHY WONT THEY KEEP COMMITTING FRAUD WHEN WE ALWAYS WITHHOLD THEIR NAMES.



meanwhile this kind of cash requires approval from the upper echelons. it wont take much to find out the source of this fraud.
Re: Nigeria Set To Lose $466m In Military Scam by eyinjuege: 5:29am On Feb 07, 2015
All acts of corruption should be seen as an act of treason and punished accordingly. Wish our constitition supported that
Re: Nigeria Set To Lose $466m In Military Scam by bakila: 6:53am On Feb 07, 2015
Eluwilussit:
G
That's fine, others don't votes for corrupt and those whose body language supports corruption.
Your can vote that lady presidential candidate or the lawyer. Since your vote on principle and not to make someone win. Falae worked at the Higest level with the Junta of Babangida. If he is the one your voted for then k leg dey. We will change from power to change, whenever the people in that party begin to misbehave we fire them.
Re: Nigeria Set To Lose $466m In Military Scam by bakila: 6:54am On Feb 07, 2015
Eluwilussit:
G
That's fine, others don't votes for corrupt and those whose body language supports corruption.
Your can vote that lady presidential candidate or the lawyer. Since your vote on principle and not to make someone win. Falae worked at the Highest level with the Junta of Babangida. If he is the one your voted for then k leg dey. We will change from power to change, whenever the people in that party begin to misbehave we fire them.
Re: Nigeria Set To Lose $466m In Military Scam by jaz(m): 11:52am On Feb 07, 2015
i can neither vote for buhari nor jonathan. they are not the agents for transformation or change we need in this country. i only wished other candidates can really be serious about vying for the presidency.
Re: Nigeria Set To Lose $466m In Military Scam by ZhyonKross(m): 1:22pm On Feb 07, 2015
Nice
Re: Nigeria Set To Lose $466m In Military Scam by Eluwilussit(m): 7:44pm On Feb 07, 2015
bakila:
A coup plotter who contested election four times and went to the Tribunal. Oh boy Lawyers became rich from handling those matters for PDP. If you have played football or any other team sport, their is always that play that you want to have play on your side. Buhari is that player in matters of security and discipline. People will be a little careful with corruption which weakens a country a lot. Boko will be defeated when Buhari becomes president not for any Northern reason but because they know he will go after them fully and knows how to go after people like them. Ask yourself why did Buhari participated in that Coup? What did he use it for? Was it for personal aggrandizement or to fix a nature and make it orderly and good?
How can I sleep at this time, I do reach wise men age. Send yours?
Are you online?
Re: Nigeria Set To Lose $466m In Military Scam by Nobody: 7:49pm On Feb 07, 2015
Papertrail11:
this is the best time for the govt of jona to use technology to fight corruption...

shines teeth
Re: Nigeria Set To Lose $466m In Military Scam by bakila: 8:12pm On Feb 07, 2015
Eluwilussit:
Are you online?
Always
Re: Nigeria Set To Lose $466m In Military Scam by Eluwilussit(m): 8:23pm On Feb 07, 2015
bakila:
Always
Did u get my email before I edited it?
Re: Nigeria Set To Lose $466m In Military Scam by bakila: 11:28pm On Feb 07, 2015
Eluwilussit:
Did u get my email before I edited it?
Business?
Re: Nigeria Set To Lose $466m In Military Scam by Eluwilussit(m): 4:40am On Feb 08, 2015
bakila:
Business?
What do u mean by business?
Re: Nigeria Set To Lose $466m In Military Scam by bakila: 8:23am On Feb 08, 2015
Eluwilussit:
What do u mean by business?
Only saw an advert. I did not see one.
Re: Nigeria Set To Lose $466m In Military Scam by Eluwilussit(m): 10:38am On Feb 08, 2015
bakila:
Only saw an advert. I did not see one.
Are you online now?
Re: Nigeria Set To Lose $466m In Military Scam by ZhyonKross(m): 11:45am On Feb 09, 2015
ok
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