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Whynotthetruth:
Do we have two laws in Nigeria do we have constitution and then again normal laws normal law ke abnormal law ni...stop confusing yourself bro

It appears you also have a bad knowledge of how a Martiak Law works.... The Normal Law (Corrupt Practices) of the seating govt. Let me give you an example so you'll understand further what I mean by Normal Law..
Let's assune the constitution states that "Any individual found guilty of Corruption should be sentenced to 10years impisonment"...should the seating govt breaks this law anf they're not prosecuted cuz they are in power, they no longer operate under the constitution but on their own law which noe becomes the "Normal Law".. This Normal Law superceeds the constitution because they are no longer governed by it (Note: Whoever is governed by the constitution must obey it. Clearly they have no regard for it because they have refused to obey thereby creating a Law of theirs which acts in their favor).
Since the Normal Law superceeds the constitution, you need a law higher than the Normal Law as the constitution does not dictate the tune anylonger. Here is where the Martial Law comes into play.. it superceeds the Normal Law and the constitution. Thr Martial law thab enforces it own rules which then becomes the constitution...


Hope you understand

agabaI23:
At least one of .....
However he did. Remember he was a military president. Elections were conducted under him several times before the one of 1993.

which constitution did IBB work with? Forget about "Military President" title. Even Obj conducted elections. No military junta can work with constitution except coup d'ta is OKAY in the law and recognized by the constitution.

agabaI23:
No it is easier to stop a palace coup than to fight asymetric war. If he could not protect himself from ordinary palace coup, how will he fair well in face of faceless aggression?

So what will you call Ironsi, Murtala that lost their lives to coups?

weaklings or unintelligent people?

thev0ice1:
You know what the circumstances were?

No more legislature, no more elected governors, president etc.

The constitution is created for democratic rule. This shouldn't be this hard my friend

No more legislature , no more governor etc was the consequences of his suspending the constitution not the other way round.

He did not suspend the constitution because those did not exist, they ceased to exist because he suspended the constitution.
My point: That is not the circumstance he was referring to.

Buhari cannot think like you for your information

IanDiamonds:
It appears you also have a bad knowledge of how a Martiak Law works.... The Normal Law (Corrupt Practices) of the seating govt. Let me give you an example so you'll understand further what I mean by Normal Law..
Let's assune the constitution states that "Any individual found guilty of Corruption should be sentenced to 10years impisonment"...should the seating govt breaks this law anf they're not prosecuted cuz they are in power, they no longer operate under the constitution but on their own law which noe becomes the "Normal Law".. This Normal Law superceeds the constitution because they are no longer governed by it (Note: Whoever is governed by the constitution must obey it. Clearly they have no regard for it brcause

Bro stop this gibberish... quit sounding incoherent... there's nothing like normal law or whatever you term it...you have no point there plzzz....we have a constitution that governs all...some have immunity but can be prosecuted once that immunity expires with their term in office....don't understand this your analogy joor...to defend buhari no easy...pele

agabaI23:
Tell me the different between the title

and if we did not suspend the constitution then, it would have been difficult for us to operate under those circumstances

What is the difference?

The words Then and those... Time is a factor here dude
.. the 20th and 21st Century aint the same bro...
Your post sounds present, the original was past...
Hoe much do you pay for PMS then and how much do you pay for it now.... be reasonable bro and stop misleading the General Public..

thev0ice1:
So what will you call Ironsi, Murtala that lost their lives to coups?

weaklings or unintelligent people?

They were careless. Ironsi in particular was arrogant and refused to heed warnings. I don't really know much about Mohammed.

Intelligence I meant is military intelligence!

Truth and Recociliation commision is not necessarily "peace meeting" in 2008, Amaechi had one in Abuja for officials and past officials of Rivers State. What purpose did it serve? Odili, Omehia, Sekibo etc were there. Did it serve any good? Are they friends? It is usually a get-together at best. Whoever feel that Buhari have a case should go to court. Forget about what one lai muhammed will say. He isn't the judge....
Btw Oputa panel wasn't "peoples court"
Cc Agabai23

Whynotthetruth:
lolz... when they go to court now; Liar Mohammed will start crying foul again... but then again; if buhari isn't interested in peace and reconciliation committee in Nigeria, what is he then coming to do Don't you think it is a slap on our collective integrity and a rape of our sanctity of memory of justice and progress So what change is he screaming if he isn't interested in peace and reconciliation what's the essence of democracy if he's not answerable to the masses Oputa panel was the peoples court of mass reconciliation, peace, and harmony for a new Nigeria... so why did buhari shun the court of the masses

thev0ice1:
So what will you call Ironsi, Murtala that lost their lives to coups?

weaklings or unintelligent people?

Their Intel was poor hence they couldn't see the coup coming...

agabaI23:
I don't live in the past but if i present a woman who killed his husband 20 years ago, will you marry her?

By the way, we do not live in the past but you guys are touting him based on his fraudulently acquired integrity toga and you want us to forget the accompanying atrocities?

That selective amnesia my friend and it is not good for the nation. History is kept so that we do not repeat the mistakes of the past.

You're forgetting there was a reason she killed her husband 20 years ago... What if she killed him in self Defence..
We dont live in the past Yes, so why then are you bringing up this dishonest discussion painted with lies and manipulation... Your assertion would have been good if you we're sincere at first..

agabaI23:
No more legislature , no more governor etc was the consequences of his suspending the constitution not the other way round.

He did not suspend the constitution because those did not exist, they ceased to exist because he suspended the constitution.
My point: That is not the circumstance he was referring to.

Buhari cannot think like you for your information

We know what a military govt is which is why i wonder why you raise dust when he said they had to suspend parts of the constitution. A military govt can't work with the constitution which is why i screamed when you tried to paint IBB like a constitutional military president.

Buhari led 3 army divisions when military men were military men. Pls try and respect that

Whynotthetruth:
Bro stop this gibberish... quit sounding incoherent... there's nothing like normal law or whatever you term it...you have no point there plzzz....we have a constitution that governs all...some have immunity but can be prosecuted once that immunity expires with their term in office....don't understand this your analogy joor...to defend buhari no easy...pele

It appears you have no passion to learn... I'd leave you however to walloe in your pit of ignorance....

Whynotthetruth:
Their Intel was poor hence they couldn't see the coup coming...

exactly. It does happen.

The heart of man is desperately wicked....who can know it?

IanDiamonds:
The words Then and those... Time is a factor here dude
.. the 20th and 21st Century aint the same bro...
Your post sounds present, the original was past...
Hoe much do you pay for[b] PMS then and how much do you pay for it now[/b].... be reasonable bro and stop misleading the General Public..

That makes his exporting crude to be refined in Brazil for local consumption more criminal.


If you want to consign his atrocities to the past, then consign the fake integrity to the past. Lets deal with the present.

In the present: Show me your friends and I tell you who you are quickly applies.
Are to talk about his uterances?

he still said recently that if the press is to embarrass the govt, they will be clamped down on. The tendencies are still there.
he is the same dictator

Whynotthetruth:
If he couldn't work back then with the constitution; what makes you believe he can do it today with same constitution which is even tighter now

Are you really asking? He wasn't elected then remember, the govt was Illegal (Martial Law Remember!!!!!!)...
If you had listened you would have understood by now..
Didn't OBJ operate as both a Military HOS and a Democratic President? How theb did he fare since he was once a military man...

agabaI23:
They were careless. Ironsi in particular was arrogant and refused to heed warnings. I don't really know much about Mohammed.

Intelligence I meant is military intelligence!

coups happen and counter coups happened regularly at that particular time in history. It was the norm then so it's nothing big than it really was. IBB and Abacha were the master coup plotters who were even the plotters of the coup against shagari but inviting GMB to lead the govt

IBB survived Orkar coup, not because of superior intel but the sheer providence of the naivety of the young coup plotters.

I remember his famous words thus ''I was under heavy bombardment....''

barcanista:
Truth and Recociliation commision is not necessarily "peace meeting" in 2008, Amaechi had one in Abuja for officials and past officials of Rivers State. What purpose did it serve? Odili, Omehia, Sekibo etc were there. Did it serve any good? Are they friends? It is usually a get-together at best. Whoever feel that Buhari have a case should go to court. Forget about what one lai muhammed will say. He isn't the judge....
Btw Oputa panel wasn't "peoples court"
Cc Agabai23

Amechi's case was a state affair but Oputa was national. The circumstances that led to them weren't same. Nigeria came out with a bloody nose from military dictatorship and needed some soothing balms to douse the tension, acrimony and heat in the land...it was a people's court that was religiously followed by most Nigerians because it had a significant effect on the polity...buhari shunned this just as he shunned debates on flimsy reasons...

barcanista:
Truth and Recociliation commision is not necessarily "peace meeting" in 2008, Amaechi had one in Abuja for officials and past officials of Rivers State. What purpose did it serve? Odili, Omehia, Sekibo etc were there. Did it serve any good? Are they friends? It is usually a get-together at best. Whoever feel that Buhari have a case should go to court. Forget about what one lai muhammed will say. He isn't the judge....
Btw Oputa panel wasn't "peoples court"
Cc Agabai23

Never said it is a peace meeting. He treated it in his characteristic manner as he treated the certificate saga. It has to be his way or noone's.

Keep talking, I am above the law!!!

agabaI23:
We do have those things that's my problem.
He said he cannot function properly under the constitution, that includes observing the separation of power.

He cannot, and that was why he suspended the constitution and and of course dissolved the national assembly.

You people claim that the circumstances in Nigeria is the same as it was when he destroyed democracy, if he could not function properly then, why will he function properly now?

You need to go back to school.

agabaI23:
I am sorry, you have not addressed the point. The point is that he could not function properly with the constitution. Is the army above the constitution? Subsequent military rulers worked with the constitution.

The Constitution is automatically suspended once Democratic Rule is proscribed.

You need to read more.

IanDiamonds:
Are you really asking? He wasn't elected then remember, the govt was Illegal (Martial Law Remember!!!!!!)...
If you had listened you would have understood by now..
Didn't OBJ operate as both a Military HOS and a Democratic President? How theb did he fare since he was once a military man...

OBJ is more docile compared to buhari...there antecedents weren't the same...What again do you wanna hear? OBJ can't be compared with buhari at all...remember OBJ handed over to shagari back then...buhari had no plan of returning power to civilians...so how can you compare them

thev0ice1:
coups happen and counter coups happened regularly at that particular time in history. It was the norm then so it's nothing big than it really was. IBB and Abacha were the master coup plotters who were even the plotters of the coup against shagari but inviting GMB to lead the govt

IBB survived Orkar coup, not because of superior intel but the sheer providence of the naivety of the young coup plotters.

I remember his famous words thus ''I was under heavy bombardment....''

But he survived it. Bro he survived because he had his back up plans. Buhari would have been looking for a corrupt official to shine without knowing what next to do.

agabaI23:
I am sorry, you have not addressed the point. The point is that he could not function properly with the constitution. Is the army above the constitution? Subsequent military rulers worked with the constitution.

The Constitution is automatically proscribed once Democratic Rule is suspended.

You need to read more.

Whynotthetruth:
Their Intel was poor hence they couldn't see the coup coming...

Very bad of the man who has been accusing the present government f not using intel appropriately.

thev0ice1:
exactly. It does happen.

The heart of man is desperately wicked....who can know it?

Just like we don't know what buhari is seeking in aso rock by now? he's among the everything wrong with Nigeria now...

So what is the difference between Amaechi's own and Obj's Oputa panel? Which effect did Oputa panel make? Is it not the Same Oputa panel that I followed along with my elderly male relatives? What effect did it make in our polity?

Whynotthetruth:
Amechi's case was a state affair but Oputa was national. The circumstances that led to them weren't same. Nigeria came out with a bloody nose from military dictatorship and needed some soothing balms to douse the tension, acrimony and heat in the land...it was a people's court that was religiously followed by most Nigerians because it had a significant effect on the polity...buhari shunned this just as he shunned debates on flimsy reasons...

agabaI23:
But he survived it. Bro he survived because he had his back up plans. Buhari would have been looking for a corrupt official to shine without knowing what next to do.

we can laugh over it now my friend but if you saw Lt Col U.K Bello's (IBB's ADC) bullet riddled body, you'll know even IBB didn't find it funny.

Like i said, it wasn't any thing about back up plan. It was providence and not forgetting Abacha's madness. IBB was totally lost

Whynotthetruth:
Just like we don't know what buhari is seeking in aso rock by now? he's among the everything wrong with Nigeria now...

No bro. GEJ is everything wrong with Nigeria now

IanDiamonds:
It appears you have no passion to learn... I'd leave you however to walloe in your pit of ignorance....

When I see reasonable information, be sure I will be ready to learn, unlearn and relearn...for this your gibberish of normal law,martial law and constitutional law keep it for the palm wine joint plzzz

ISpiksDaTroof:
You need to go back to school.

It does not work that way here. You may your point and I make mine. if you do not have points to make, I will Zzzzzzzz

agabaI23:
That makes his exporting crude to be refined in Brazil for local consumption more criminal.


If you want to consign his atrocities to the past, then consign the fake integrity to the past. Lets deal with the present.

In the present: Show me your friends and I tell you who you are quickly applies.
Are to talk about his uterances?

he still said recently that if the press is to embarrass the govt, they will be clamped down on. The tendencies are still there.
he is the same dictator

Your hate for Buharis shows to a great extent that you'd go to any length to discredit his govt even if to the view of many he had done enormously well...
I've spotted your red herring though... as I'm not consigning his attrocities to the past (that's if any exist under the circumstances of which he operated)..
My claim is you lied and misquoted him to mislead whoever happens to read your thread into thinking Buhari stated that "If elected he will not work with the constitution on groun"d which is clearly not the case

Who is bound to take seriously a get-together meeting? Why can't people go to court?

agabaI23:
Never said it is a peace meeting. He treated it in his characteristic manner as he treated the certificate saga. It has to be his way or noone's.

Keep talking, I am above the law!!!