davidylan:


you're scraping the barrel, the germ theory was proposed centuries ago when there was zero evidence for how disease occurred. Today we have such sophisticated tools that we no longer need the theory, we KNOW for a fact that germs cause disease. Can we say the same for your theory of evolution? When are we going to have the empirical data to prove that it is real?

You stark illiterate in your ignorance again. Always asking rhetorical questions! Bleh!

davidylan:


you're scraping the barrel, the germ theory was proposed centuries ago when there was zero evidence for how disease occurred. Today we have such sophisticated tools that we no longer need the theory, we KNOW for a fact that germs cause disease. Can we say the same for your theory of evolution? When are we going to have the empirical data to prove that it is real?

all4naija:
The beginning of the universe is not understood due to human limitations. The Universe really has a beginning and it is the beginning of the universe in a nutshell, which nobody really has idea about on how it begins and what it is made up of. Take it from me any day searching for the beginning of the universe is not even man's greatest problem but the future is. It is time to think of the future. We have always think of the past without finding solutions.

On the final note, I' d say f**k the notion of a God existing as a supernatural being!

Hiswordxray:

This future is that you are going to Hell if You don't repent.

davien:
I never knew you were along the hell threatening people, you usually like luring people with promises...

Hiswordxray:

I speak the truth, whether bitter or sweet.

The guy is concerned about the future and he needed to hear where he will end up. I didn't intend to threaten him, I only wanted to help him find answers to his questions.

So yes he is going to Hell if he doesn't repent and if doesn't like his future he could change it by repenting.

davidylan:


... if you believed something as fact, why would you even entertain the notion of an alternative? Ironic...

davien:
So how do you feel about your future in "allah's hell"?

Hiswordxray:

Did Allah have Hell?

Even if he does, him and his hell will be thrown into Hell.

Emusan:


Please where did I say the bolded part?

What you miss about explanation of creationist is that, according to creationist "THE UNIVERSE comprises of MATTERS and ENERGY which originated from God/the product of creation but God was never a PRODUCT of matter and energy that's why God is ETERNAL.

If God's nature contains matter and energy which are the product of creation then we can ask WHO CREATED GOD?

The word "TO CREATE" find its use when God began the formation of the universe.

God didn't create Himself rather He brought the word "TO CREATE" into use, that is God begins EVERYTHING we see in the universe at a particular PERIOD.

plaetton:


Hey.
Here , take this book of children's horror stories and this candy.
Why don't you run off to the Sunday School section , and leave the adult minds to contemplate serious existential issues.

Hiswordxray:

The origin of every fear and confusion is Hell.
All of you are trying to escape your fear of Hell.
All this silly talk of "existential issues" is nothing but an attempt to escape your fear of Hell.

The truth, you have no where to run to, for you have chosen Hell and Hell you shall go. There is no escape so stop deceiving yourself and face the reality.

jayriginal:


Isnt that the difference between a mind open to learning as opposed to one closed by dogma? Blind faith?

plaetton:


What a delusion.
I am scared of he'll, but I just don't know it yet?

You sound like a demented psychopath in a horror movie.

ooman:
plaetton, what of the evidence for big b.ang? Like CMBR. (Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation) .

plaetton:


Like I said before, this new idea does deny that the big occurred. No.
This idea speculates on pre-bigbang scenario.

Hiswordxray:

This future is that you are going to Hell if You don't repent.

ooman:
plaetton, what of the evidence for big b.ang? Like CMBR. (Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation) .

ooman:


Does this new model tell us how the universe will die? Whether its flat, open or closed? Does it estimate the energy of empty space?

plaetton:


Like I said before, this new idea does deny that the big occurred. No.
This idea speculates on pre-bigbang scenario.

davidylan:

you havent been thinking this through at all. the BB theory claims it took a spark to set the universe off... this theory predicts that the earth/universe had no begining at all... i.e. no spark was required whatsoever. So the two sentences you have up there make no sense.

wiegraf:
David!


Oh! and just a quick note

,

Stop lying....

davidylan:


if you have something cerebral to contribute then say it... its 2015, the hare-brained, yawn-inducing one-line insults are so 2008.

article in op:

(Phys.org) —The universe may have existed forever, according to a new model that applies quantum correction terms to complement Einstein's theory of general relativity. The model may also account for dark matter and dark energy, resolving multiple problems at once.

davidylan:


you've unwittingly exposed the weakness of CMBR being evidence for the BB and the laughable unseriousness of plaetton's claims. First, if indeed CMBR was unquestioningly evidence of the BB, do you think anyone would be speculating about other alternatives? Its like knowing the exact value of acceleration due to gravity and then wasting time trying to prove it could also be 2.
Secondly, the idea plaetton put forward came from a "reputable" atheist site (so you cant claim christians are trying to make things up). Surely they know about CMBR? why are they skeptical enough about it to propound another theory?

wiegraf:


This from the same clown that will later on claim I'm too wordy.

I did. If your brain wasn't rabies-infested, you'd have noticed..

I should also add I should actually read articles. Lemme see, from the first paragraph



And y'all are blabbing about how BB is now being proposed as being wrong. I wonder how much more I'd spot if I bothered to read a few more paragraphs, hmm?

BTW, you surely cannot tell me that as a scientist, you do not know of concepts like say effective theories? Or are you just a (shemeless) 'scientist'?

Anyhoo. Stop lying....

ooman:


Perhaps the model will have another purpose/cause for CMBR.

I didn't say anyone was making anything up.

Am only suggesting we should have observational evidence before propagating such model.

Am sure the pope will have headache after hearing of this, considering he just recently endorsed BB. He is not be the first pope to do so, anyway.

davidylan:


I agree... which is why you may understand my strong opposition to the BB. There is no observational evidence outside of desperate projections to support it. As i said earlier, if there was strong evidence for it, why would people be looking for alternatives?

lol the pope endorses the BB and that makes it right? The pope also endorses the idea of heaven, you also believe that too?

ooman:


I didn't make reference to the pope to prove or disprove BB. I made reference to him because this new theory is a [new] slap on his face.

I think inflation (expanding universe) and CMBR are enough empirical data for BB. Though I knew the BB model doesn't have all the answer, I accepted it because of CMBR, it even showed us how the universe was when it was 300,000 years old.

Now we are supposed to throw those data away?

People look for alternative to solve problems unsolved by general relativity. But considering that GR, has stood the test of time, at least up till now, I will stick with it a little longer.

davidylan:


That's the very definition of blind faith. Its just unfortunate that you cant see beyond your own nose. Its like saying rustling grass is evidence that oxygen exists.

ooman:


I dont think its as bad as you painted it.

Anything that gets bigger started from a point right?

plaetton:


Like I said before, this new idea does not deny that the big occurred. No.
This idea speculates on pre-bigbang scenario.