justlove91:

Haha!
If you're truly a good person then I can emphatically tell you that you're not a good Muslim.
You don't know what being a good Muslim entails.

Empiree:
stop lying. You havent tell the truth. Kindly define who good muslim is....let's see. thanks

justlove91:

Haven't you been seeing what Ifean has been posting about Islam and Mohammed? That is what it takes to really be a good Muslim. When you are doing what Islam tells you to do and living your life the way Mohammed lived his then you're really a good Muslim

Empiree:
I Attended A Conference Yesterday. Guests Were Two(2) Scholars:

Dr. Shabir Ally:
*Islam message to the world.
*Reforming ourselves.
*Reaching out to our neighbors

Shaikh Rafeeq Muhammad:
The Prophet's(saw) Character Enhancing our lives

Well detailed and interesting lectures. Prophet Muhammad's character is documented in the ONLY preserved and protected Qur'an. Anything outside of that is in conflict with what is revealed in the Quran is rejected.

After lecture was over, next session was Q & A. In this session, I asked my question in direct reference to nonsense threads and posts by ifean. In fact, all muslims that contributed enormously to refute the lady's allegations really tried. Her alegations are nothing new to Muslim scholars like Dr. Ally who is well acquainted with "evangelic tactics". I asked this question.....

"Some non-Muslims employed tactical evangelical approach by attacking characters of Prophet Muhammad(sallalahu alay wasalam). They said lots of derogatory things. They said those things are from our (Islam) sources like Ibn Ishaq. How Do We Approach And Refute This?"

Dr. Shabir Ally's response was simple and direct. He said many things I already said here.

"not only evangelical Christians use the tactics. None christians used the same thing as well. Ibn Ishaq's writings of seerah was 100yrs after prophet Muhammad. There are many things written that are untrue. They are in direct conflict with revelation(Qur'an)......"

Dr. Ally did give comprehensive answer. I hope the clip will be available on YouTube soon. We the believers hold the Qur'an as the only protected and guaranteed source of information in Islam. Anything else is faulted. None Muslims bigots will choose what to believe basically. Ibn Ishaq was not the only early source. There are many others beside him who wrote seerah.

Ibn Ishaq's parent was a christian. Below is biography of him. https://islamgreatreligion./2012/03/21/truth-about-biographylife-of-muhammad-written-by-ibn-ishaq/

PastorKun:


But it's not only the hadiths that records the. Violent acts of mohammed, your 'protected' quoran also has a lot of violent and offensive instructions against non muslims given to spread islam through forceful means, did Dr Ally address the issue of violence in the quoran? And please we won't accept that the instructions were given for self defence(al taqquiya) cause a lot of those instructions were clearly for offensive warfare.

Empiree:


And what's this one?

1 samuel 15:3 which reads:

[size=20pt]"Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them. But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.”[/size]

Now....do your own "attaqiyah"

PastorKun:


Yes I admit that there are a number of violent verses in the Jewish Old testament that was directed to the children of Israel. However these instructions do not form the basis of christian theology. Christians follow the teachings of christ and nothing else even if it was in the documented history of Israel'

Empiree:
Who cares. It's in the Bible. That's all i care. You just did taqqiya

NEW TESTAMENT

[size=20pt]"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword[/size]. Matthew 10:34

[size=15pt]Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division.[/size] Luke 12:51
very clear .....not stupid parables. And i dont need silly holy spirit to understand it

PastorKun:


Yes this was a prophecy that christians will be persecuted for their beliefs and the likes of on.

Empiree:
[size=16pt]LIAR!!![/size]

PastorKun:


Or did you read anywhere in the new testament where Jesus gave instructions to his followers to fight and kill on his behalf like your mohammed did

PastorKun: Your usual altaqquiya tac0tiics, you have been corrected several times on the forum that it was clearly stated to be a parable but the spirit of islam in you makes to continue to twist the passage out of context. I will reproduce the whole passage below and highlight verse 11 which makes it crystal clear even to the brain dead that it was a parable.

Ifeann:


Hey buddy..we have had several friendly exchanges on nairaland. It doesn't have to change.. u made an offensive remark about christainity and I had to call u to order..I respect ur right to chose what u see fit for ur life Unlike the muslims who are commanded to slay pagans and athesits i have nothing but love for u man...

Have a nice weekend.

PastorKun:


Christians follow the teachings of christ and nothing else even if it was in the documented history of Israel. However in your case, you people follow mohammed and he is supposed to be your best example.

Empiree:


[size=20pt]"Now, as for those enemies of mine who did not want me to be their king, bring them here and kill them in my presence!"[/size] Luke 19:27

it's not parable.....its clear text no holy spirit needed to interpret

Luke 19:11-27King James Version (KJV)

11 And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear.

12 He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.

13 And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.

14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.

15 And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.

16 Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds.

17 And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.

18 And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds.

19 And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities.

20 And another came, saying, Lord, behold, here is thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin:

21 For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow.

22 And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow:

23 Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury?

24 And he said unto them that stood by, Take from him the pound, and give it to him that hath ten pounds.

25 (And they said unto him, Lord, he hath ten pounds.)

26 For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him.

27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

PastorKun:


Your usual altaqquiya tac0tiics, you have been corrected several times on the forum that it was clearly stated to be a parable but the spirit of islam in you makes to continue to twist the passage out of context. I will reproduce the whole passage below and highlight verse 11 which makes it crystal clear even to the brain dead that it was a parable.

Empiree:
rubbish

Empiree:
rubbish

Empiree:
rubbish

Ifeann:


Empiree will others like rilwan.ye. Tart.ar9 tola.9ja, abumam, etc .. Have given up defending Islam u on the other hand continue.. Why.. U just can't do it..
U prophet did so much bad things. Many Muslims are denouncing Islam because of this and shying away from defending him but u being the chief ignorant officer Islamic defender refuse to quit..

PastorKun: Your usual altaqquiya tac0tiics, you have been corrected several times on the forum that it was clearly stated to be a parable but the spirit of islam in you makes to continue to twist the passage out of context. I will reproduce the whole passage below and highlight verse 11 which makes it crystal clear even to the brain dead that it was a parable.

PastorKun:


Or did you read anywhere in the new testament where Jesus gave instructions to his followers to fight and kill on his behalf like your mohammed did

PastorKun:

Yes this was a prophecy that christians will be persecuted for their beliefs and the likes of on^

Empiree:




[size=20pt]"Now, as for those enemies of mine who did not want me to be their king, bring them here and kill them in my presence!"[/size] Luke 19:27


[size=16pt]LIAR!!![/size]

it's not parable.....its clear text no holy spirit needed to interpret

Your Bible says there is no parable therein. 2 Peter 1:20 King James Version (KJV)

"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation."

PastorKun:


You are obviously a genetically dishonest rodent, even when your al taqquiya as been exposed, you are still shamelessly repeating the lie here and trying to twist it further. You are really learning well from your imams.

Empiree:
Pardon me?....what lie did i tell?. Aren't the ^verses from your bible...did i misquote them?

PastorKun:


You are intentionally and dishonestly presenting a clearly stated parable as a real life event even after you have been shown solid evidence to the contrary.

Empiree:
ogbeni, this is very simple. Your bible said

"Now, as for those enemies of mine who did not want me to be their king, bring them here and kill them in my presence!" Luke 19:27

And you said the verse is parable and i quoted from your bible where it says

"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation."
2 Peter 1:20 King James Version (KJV)

So what's the problem?. You are now doing taqqiya. The first verse is very clear

PastorKun:


I am not surprised at your dishonesty, afterall you are a muslim.