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Re: 20 Days To Polls: INEC’s New Rule Sparks Rigging Fears by rottenegg: 11:17am On Mar 08, 2015

Collynzo9:
My arguments are based on facts not assumptions.
I know some northerners who had their PVCs sent to them by their brothers all the way from Kano, whereas in my own polling wives weren't allowed to collect for her husband.
You shouldn't have even replied me at first because it seems you talk from you arse

You are on point. My wife could not collect on my behalf but I also heard that the PVCs distribution in the north was different.
Whatever they do.....free and fair elections will happen.

Re: 20 Days To Polls: INEC’s New Rule Sparks Rigging Fears by franugo(m): 11:30am On Mar 08, 2015

Collynzo9:
I hate arguing with dumb people, seriously.
You asked how Jega could 'suddenly' change position from 2011 and I gave you some examples of northerners who have changed position within the same period, they all have one agenda in mind - returning power to the north.

u shud have been clearer. I thought dt u meant dt he is in league with apc just cos tambuwal et al decamped...anyway, dt being said, i have an issue with being labelled dumb cos am sure ur IQ is not higher than mine undecided

it's not everyone dt breathes, eats, farts n shits politics!

Re: 20 Days To Polls: INEC’s New Rule Sparks Rigging Fears by aksule(m): 12:00pm On Mar 08, 2015

I think the incidence form should never be used except for people who have no fingers at all or handicap which should glaring to all. Using the form is just a way to rigging. The point is if by any means this form is allowed then the card reader becomes useless. Observance of rules and regulations concerning the elections must be followed either in the north or south. We were made to understand that finger prints is unique to an individual. Why thumb printing in the first instance if allowance is to be made later on. The only physical element in the process of election is thumb printing. The rest are paper work which in the present technology can be manipulated. If you remove the physical element then good bye to free and fair election. There are farmers and women wearing all sort of things on their fingers both in the north or south. Get your fingers cleaned for elections period. No incidence form for any region.

Re: 20 Days To Polls: INEC’s New Rule Sparks Rigging Fears by ojobekehinde: 12:01pm On Mar 08, 2015

Election may not be outrightly free and fair in Nigeria.saying PDP has been rigging election is what i will not agree to.tell me which election is being rigged.Is it Obasanjo vs Buhari or Yar Vs Buhari or JEG vs Buhari.which one.

Re: 20 Days To Polls: INEC’s New Rule Sparks Rigging Fears by fritiyo: 12:40pm On Mar 08, 2015

It is quite unfortunate for us to attribute the obvious point raise by d article to pdp or gej. is there anythinh wrong to point out the clear truth even, when it bitter to say it?

2011 election would have been 100 time better than this 2015 if election were conducted on that date.

why is it that, any wrong done by north will always go Scot free. I am sure this what America want so that we can fight to bring their prediction to pass.
One thing am not sure is that, whether we will left america to feel their ego high by allowing corrupt election there by leading to violence.

Re: 20 Days To Polls: INEC’s New Rule Sparks Rigging Fears by innocentchuks(m): 12:57pm On Mar 08, 2015

Having read most comments here it amaze me to know that most people are gullible and are blinded by hate. The article point out obvious true, all these blind haters can one of you give one good reason why the voting point Jega try to create in the north is 30000 and South about 8000. Even when national assembly kicked against it he insisted? How come places ravaged by terrorist collect about 95% pvc while other places relatively peaceful have about 70%? Nigeria belongs to everyone not just particular group of people. Change is constant Jega as human can change nothing is impossible. Election is coming let us all vote wisely or mortgage our future. Apc if not far from pdp politicians are the same. Let's behave like civilized people and view things objectively than following a band wagon. It's obvious Jega is trying to give undue advantage to the north but some ignorant ones shove it aside rather choose to accuse and criticize to hide their gullibility. Let there be a level play ground.

Re: 20 Days To Polls: INEC’s New Rule Sparks Rigging Fears by Blackkie: 1:06pm On Mar 08, 2015

Chai,
Can someone see all the energy it is taking Jega to rubbish himself?

He would have used all these to advance the nation.

If this article is anything to go with, any of the parties can pull off a wonderful rigging match effortlessly.

Take a look at Kano again.

Re: 20 Days To Polls: INEC’s New Rule Sparks Rigging Fears by wisdomguy4u(m): 1:18pm On Mar 08, 2015

WisdomFlakes:
INEC has suddenly become a 'fraud' with 'flaws' to the PDP simply because for the first time in the history of this fourth republic the ruling PDP can't have its way by subjecting the INEC boss to its whims and caprices.

Now INEC is a 'fraud' coz the PDP might very well lose the forthcoming elections due to the body's assertion of its independence in the conduct of the forthcoming elections.

Like seriously? ? ?

Like Seriously! You are not making any sense. Every Nigerian now know that INEC wasn't ready to conduct election on feb 14th. My question is why did INEC claim to be ready when they know they are not? Maybe they already have a candidate in mind.

Re: 20 Days To Polls: INEC’s New Rule Sparks Rigging Fears by wisdomguy4u(m): 1:24pm On Mar 08, 2015

WisdomFlakes:
If GEJ and the ruling PDP lose this elections and protest or even reject the result, it won't be a big deal nor will it be a first because PDP have been winning past presidential elections via rigging while the opposition protested and rejected the result and nothing was done about it.

If PDP should lose this election at the first ballot they can protest from now till tomorrow but the result will stick as it always did in the past when it favored them.

PDP Should prepare to face what the opposition has been facing for the past 16 years. Payback's a bi.tch

Thank PDP and the military for election postponement, as it turn out card reader had problems in kano. If the election had hold on feb 14, APC would have protest that PDP rigged the election in kano.

Re: 20 Days To Polls: INEC’s New Rule Sparks Rigging Fears by Nobody: 1:26pm On Mar 08, 2015

As usual the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Come March 28, God let your will be done.

Re: 20 Days To Polls: INEC’s New Rule Sparks Rigging Fears by funsoul: 1:28pm On Mar 08, 2015

Inec really wasn't ready 4 d elections but this article is partial in d sense that it condemned those who said election shouldn't be postponed but didn't condemn those opposing use of card reader.

Re: 20 Days To Polls: INEC’s New Rule Sparks Rigging Fears by neocortex: 1:44pm On Mar 08, 2015

WisdomFlakes:
INEC has suddenly become a 'fraud' with 'flaws' to the PDP simply because for the first time in the history of this fourth republic the ruling PDP can't have its way by subjecting the INEC boss to its whims and caprices.

Now INEC is a 'fraud' coz the PDP might very well lose the forthcoming elections due to the body's assertion of its independence in the conduct of the forthcoming elections.

Like seriously? ? ?

Why dosn't you respond directly to his question : which part of the article did you find flaws ?
If you won't do that it only means that you agree the points raised are valid but you are against it because it paints INEC in "bad light"

Re: 20 Days To Polls: INEC’s New Rule Sparks Rigging Fears by ndcide(m): 1:56pm On Mar 08, 2015

It's obvious that those who discredit this truthful article or trying to change the direction of the original post are enemies of truth.

Rather than analyse the meat of this article they are posting our of point. It's most unfortunate.

From the revelation of this article, something drastic need to be done before the election.

From my assessment, lots of voters will not be able to vote up north unless the rules are bent for them. This is a result from sample States. who says it may not be worse of , in States where the test election did not hold.

This election is not only about GEJ & GMB

we should note that fact.

Re: 20 Days To Polls: INEC’s New Rule Sparks Rigging Fears by anwo247: 2:23pm On Mar 08, 2015

WisdomFlakes:
The aim of the above news article is clearly to discredit the INEC boss in order to set the stage for his replacement before the conduct of the elections. DOA.

Some people are just bent on scuttling the upcoming elections no matter what. Na wah o.

Question: Did the card reader work?
Answer: NO

Question: What other name would Feb 14 election have answered?
Answer: FRAUD

Re: 20 Days To Polls: INEC’s New Rule Sparks Rigging Fears by hermesprogidy(m): 3:00pm On Mar 08, 2015

Nigerians are mind numbingly gullible. some people are coming here to give praises to gej for shifting the election as if they had any foresight . gej shifted the elections for security reasons, not because of the card readers. gej shifted elections because he was scared he would lose at the polls, those are the facts. yesterday's events are not surprising, because we are trying something new. even if they shift elections till next year, we will never have 100% success rate with the card reader, because we still lack some basic infrastructure to ensure a flawless use. whatever the case, the card reader is the way to go. no more thumb printing ballot papers in secluded bushes and air conditioned rooms.

Re: 20 Days To Polls: INEC’s New Rule Sparks Rigging Fears by Numismatic(m): 3:08pm On Mar 08, 2015

holatin:
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but he didn't want power to return in 2011 right, even your GEJ praises him for the free and fair election.
so hypocritical of you.

Even the world clueless is an understatement for you.

what is more hypocritical than a so called agent of change saying Oh,the ruling party rigged the election in 2011,now its our turn to rig so dont cry foul? Is this the change you people have been preaching? Fundamental issues have been raised about the readiness of INEC,and instead of your party to address it..If you guys are so sure of a landslide victory, why not make sure this issues are addressed?..who is more clueless?

Re: 20 Days To Polls: INEC’s New Rule Sparks Rigging Fears by gabicon: 3:17pm On Mar 08, 2015

The best I can tell about the card readers is that the PVC is slotted into the machine and ones fingerprint is used to authenticate that he/she is valid to vote and the cards belongs to the said voter. We can't expect the technology to be 100% effective as its a new technology and new people handling it, but I think we are on the right direction as if we use it now or in 4 years time we are still going to use it and there are still going to be flaws then and now. Its clear to us that some disgruntled elements have decided to truncate the electoral process by unlawfully buying PVC or employing other crude methods to rig the election and the pendulum is not swinging in their direction presently.

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Re: 20 Days To Polls: INEC’s New Rule Sparks Rigging Fears by holatin(m): 4:19pm On Mar 08, 2015

Numismatic:
what is more hypocritical than a so called agent of change saying Oh,the ruling party rigged the election in 2011,now its our turn to rig so dont cry foul? Is this the change you people have been preaching? Fundamental issues have been raised about the readiness of INEC,and instead of your party to address it..If you guys are so sure of a landslide victory, why not make sure this issues are addressed?..who is more clueless?

,now its our turn to rig so
dont cry foul? Is this the change you people have been preaching?
Fundamental is
did you actually say this, so much for transformation

Re: 20 Days To Polls: INEC’s New Rule Sparks Rigging Fears by meforyou1(m): 4:40pm On Mar 08, 2015

rottenegg:
You are on point. My wife could not collect on my behalf but I also heard that the PVCs distribution in the north was different.
Whatever they do.....free and fair elections will happen.

A friend of mine travelled to sokoto, but his friend helped him collect his in kaduna. One Nigeria

Re: 20 Days To Polls: INEC’s New Rule Sparks Rigging Fears by xklucvG: 4:56pm On Mar 08, 2015

WisdomFlakes:
INEC has suddenly become a 'fraud' with 'flaws' to the PDP simply because for the first time in the history of this fourth republic the ruling PDP can't have its way by subjecting the INEC boss to its whims and caprices.

Now INEC is a 'fraud' coz the PDP might very well lose the forthcoming elections due to the body's assertion of its independence in the conduct of the forthcoming elections.

Like seriously? ? ?

I don't want PDP to continue but that is not to say the election should not be free of flaws or the INEC should be one to help in flushing out the PDP. From all this allegations the umpire is now bias which is not suppose to be.

Re: 20 Days To Polls: INEC’s New Rule Sparks Rigging Fears by xklucvG: 5:03pm On Mar 08, 2015

WisdomFlakes:
If GEJ and the ruling PDP lose this elections and protest or even reject the result, it won't be a big deal nor will it be a first because PDP have been winning past presidential elections via rigging while the opposition protested and rejected the result and nothing was done about it.

If PDP should lose this election at the first ballot they can protest from now till tomorrow but the result will stick as it always did in the past when it favored them.

PDP Should prepare to face what the opposition has been facing for the past 16 years. Payback's a bi.tch

No i disagree with your stand. We should not continue in the old way of the PDP. The elections should be conducted without flaws let PDP lose fair and square.

Re: 20 Days To Polls: INEC’s New Rule Sparks Rigging Fears by xklucvG: 5:11pm On Mar 08, 2015

Charlotte15:
So because this guy won't play ball, the PDP will stop at nothing. Jega must must not go and we shall use the card reader.

Fine but should we use the INCCIDENT FORM as well?

Re: 20 Days To Polls: INEC’s New Rule Sparks Rigging Fears by BluStreak(m): 5:35pm On Mar 08, 2015

Billyonaire:
Your reasoning is dequeued. The report isnt biased. The report says we should NOT use incidence forms, and I am supporting this report that we should not use incidence form. Where did you read your assertions from ? If PVC is NOT working as we want. We should postpone election until we get everything right. Simple. Who ever is in a hurry to vote or be voted for, is NOT greater than Nigeria. Full Stop.

Seun pls put a button for multiple likes by one account. I couldn't agree with you more B. Some people read with their brain shut down, the reason they will read but won't comprehend.

Re: 20 Days To Polls: INEC’s New Rule Sparks Rigging Fears by authority2006(m): 5:51pm On Mar 08, 2015

Billyonaire:
Your reasoning is dequeued. The report isnt biased. The report says we should NOT use incidence forms, and I am supporting this report that we should not use incidence form. Where did you read your assertions from ? If PVC is NOT working as we want. We should postpone election until we get everything right. Simple. Who ever is in a hurry to vote or be voted for, is NOT greater than Nigeria. Full Stop.

That's it, frustration is always written on their faces. They simply don't want election. Card reader as I understand works in two steps: first, it would tell if the card is real or fake. Second, it would try to determine if the fingerprint on it belongs to the bearer and that's where the issue of Incidence form comes in. Now tell me, if the reader performs the first step effectively and records 60 percent success rate for second step, is that not enough to use it? Remember, there is little we can do about the second issue even if the election is postponed till 2019. I care much more about the first step than the second step. With cards readers, no way for PDP cloned cards.

Re: 20 Days To Polls: INEC’s New Rule Sparks Rigging Fears by BluStreak(m): 5:55pm On Mar 08, 2015

hermesprogidy:
Nigerians are mind numbingly gullible. some people are coming here to give praises to gej for shifting the election as if they had any foresight . gej shifted the elections for security reasons, not because of the card readers. gej shifted elections because he was scared he would lose at the polls, those are the facts. yesterday's events are not surprising, because we are trying something new. even if they shift elections till next year, we will never have 100% success rate with the card reader, because we still lack some basic infrastructure to ensure a flawless use. whatever the case, the card reader is the way to go. no more thumb printing ballot papers in secluded bushes and air conditioned rooms.

You may have some valid points but u failed to address the main bone of contention; the use of INCIDENT CARD. That singular move has rubbished all the years of work in preparation to conduct a free and credible election. What Nigerians want is a credible election. Previous elections may have been rigged no doubt simply because there basically isn't a mechanism to forestall rigging. But now that we have towed the line of CRs coupled with the huge investment simply to get it right, why creating a loophole?

Re: 20 Days To Polls: INEC’s New Rule Sparks Rigging Fears by authority2006(m): 6:04pm On Mar 08, 2015

aksule:
I think the incidence form should never be used except for people who have no fingers at all or handicap which should glaring to all. Using the form is just a way to rigging. The point is if by any means this form is allowed then the card reader becomes useless. Observance of rules and regulations concerning the elections must be followed either in the north or south. We were made to understand that finger prints is unique to an individual. Why thumb printing in the first instance if allowance is to be made later on. The only physical element in the process of election is thumb printing. The rest are paper work which in the present technology can be manipulated. If you remove the physical element then good bye to free and fair election. There are farmers and women wearing all sort of things on their fingers both in the north or south. Get your fingers cleaned for elections period. No incidence form for any region.

Do not be misinformed by that article, the card readers won't become useless. Ask anybody that can tell you how it works, you will realise that where the problem lies is that when card reader has issue reading the bearer's fingerprint to make sure that the card belongs to him. Remember that the card has your pic as well. But the cards readers have no problem whatsoever differentiating fake from genuine PVC. So, because of that, pdp postponement of election or cancellation of its use. I'm not surprised at all, they wanted us to use temporary card at one point. Forgetting their advocacy of using technology to fight corruption.

Re: 20 Days To Polls: INEC’s New Rule Sparks Rigging Fears by BluStreak(m): 6:20pm On Mar 08, 2015

authority2006:
That's it, frustration is always written on their faces. They simply don't want election. Card reader as I understand works in two steps: first, it would tell if the card is real or fake. Second, it would try to determine if the fingerprint on it belongs to the bearer and that's where the issue of Incidence form comes in. Now tell me, if the reader performs the first step effectively and records 60 percent success rate for second step, is that not enough to use it? Remember, there is little we can do about the second issue even if the election is postponed till 2019. I care much more about the first step than the second step. With cards readers, no way for PDP cloned cards.

The use of incident card going by INEC's position includes if PVC failed to authenticate. It then is the prerogative of the electoral officer to decide whether to allow the bearer vote by using the incident card to capture the failed stage of authentication or to disallow the bearer voting right. Now this is where the worries are coming from. It has created room for failure/rigging.

Re: 20 Days To Polls: INEC’s New Rule Sparks Rigging Fears by Teenaira: 6:48pm On Mar 08, 2015

One Nigeria, different rules in everything including legal structure. Up Nigeria !!!

Re: 20 Days To Polls: INEC’s New Rule Sparks Rigging Fears by Nobody: 8:12pm On Mar 08, 2015

WisdomFlakes:
If GEJ and the ruling PDP lose this elections and protest or even reject the result, it won't be a big deal nor will it be a first because PDP have been winning past presidential elections via rigging while the opposition protested and rejected the result and nothing was done about it.

If PDP should lose this election at the first ballot they can protest from now till tomorrow but the result will stick as it always did in the past when it favored them.

PDP Should prepare to face what the opposition has been facing for the past 16 years. Payback's a bi.tch

hope you know it applies to tinubu too

Re: 20 Days To Polls: INEC’s New Rule Sparks Rigging Fears by Nobody: 8:57pm On Mar 08, 2015*

INEC has made their compromise an open secret. Here are few loopholes I observed so far
1. Issuing PVC to individuals without requesting for passports. Anyone can easily connive with a compromised staff to give out many PVC to anyone that pays.

2. INEC is putting so much power on their staffs to use their discretion on some key decisions. In ascertaining the age of voters without an affidavit,birth certificate or other forms of identification staffs were advised to use their discretion. problem here again is that this made it easy to register so many underage voters because the final power lies with the official and such officials can defend themselves easily.

3. Use of incidence form makes mockery of the card reader. The verification and authentication is supposed to be carried out with the card reader. The incidence form helps those that were able to collect many PVCs. Since the cards are authentic it will be read by the card reader then when it fails to Match the finger print the incidence form will be presented to such an individual because the Almighty PO says it belongs to the voter.

4. INEC is yet to sensitize the general public on some sensitive issues such as the use of red ballot papers. Imagine giving out red ballot papers in Bauchi fit make dem use the person do suya.

Abeg WisdomFlakes How much dem pay you sef, you register January 2015 ,active only in politics and already have over 700 posts with over 30 topics. I dey plan to apply for immigration before but I no mind if you go help me talk to your boss. I hear say APC nyash licking fee make sense

Re: 20 Days To Polls: INEC’s New Rule Sparks Rigging Fears by bboshodi: 10:09pm On Mar 08, 2015

helpee:
read the article or shut up abeg. Which illiteracy? INEC is providing a means for northerners to bypass the card reader if it fails the ist time..
INCIDENT FORMS. Meaning that if the electoral officers in the north are threatened or induced they will accredit everybody with the card to vote using the so called INCIDENT FORM which is subject to the officers discretion since it is now outside the card reader .why use it in the ist instance since you are still going to accredit people anyway without it? They are just planning to cause commotion that day

Re: 20 Days To Polls: INEC’s New Rule Sparks Rigging Fears by bboshodi: 10:44pm On Mar 08, 2015

Listen and listen good! You are only allow to complete the incident form- This is when your Card has been accepted as Inec registered card by the Card Reader. Your finger print has nothing to do with this. The most important thing is that, Inec machine must be able to authenticate your card. If u then have an issue with the biometric aspect, it is then the Inec official alongside party agents can now on their convictions allow such fellow to vote or not. Meanwhile don't forget, THAT THE CARD would HAVE BN TESTED and confirmed before any on can go ahead to fill incident form.

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