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Re: President Jonathan's Mistakes And How He Could Have Remained President by Gamesmart: 6:11pm On Apr 14, 2015
mikron:
was obasanjo a saint? Who signed out $16,000,000,000 out for power projects without building any? In ur own definition of governance that one is not corruption abi? I get angry when people like u do handpicked criticism
What has Obasanjo got to do with "Is Jonathan good"?

How do you know what my opinion about Obasanjo is?

You should get angry about your fooolish assumptions.
Re: President Jonathan's Mistakes And How He Could Have Remained President by Gamesmart: 6:13pm On Apr 14, 2015
mmsen:
Buhari has committed his fair share of atrocities.

Who knows what Lagos would be like now if it had the metro system that Jakande had planned. Buhari put an end to that by paying the 78 million dollar penalty fee instead of allowing the project to go ahead for 120 million dollars and complete the project.

Buhari is the clown who interfered when the Jonathan administration sought to attack Boko Haram by claiming that to do so would be an 'attack on the North'.

Buhari is the man who has done nothing but campaign for Sharia law for the north, as if that was/is the biggest concern. Why did he not campaign against child-brides? Almajiris? Poor educational attainment by northern children? Poor healthcare? Fistula? Polio? He could have campaigned against any number of problems that northern Nigeria faces, real issues that have made life for people there unbearably difficult, instead he chose to hide behind religion.

Jonathan has put in place schools for northern almajiri students. Why is the Federal government having to do the job of the state officials? What have they been doing for the past 50 years that they still do not have sufficient schools for their abundant children? How are they supposed to become eligible for decent employment if they are not given the opportunity to get the qualifications necessary? Why did Buhari not campaign about this issue?

That is why I can comfortably say that Jonathan is a good man compared to Buhari. He is far from perfect but the silence on genuine matters and the ignorance that Buhari and his ilk have displayed are the core reasons why Boko Haram has become such a menace and why one half of the nation is so far behind when it comes to human development indices.
Before we go into this.

Are you saying it is Buhari's responsibility for Almajiri education?
Re: President Jonathan's Mistakes And How He Could Have Remained President by walata2011(m): 6:17pm On Apr 14, 2015
Neglecting the south west region is one of the biggest mistake he made, and the people he related with in the south west were those with questionable character. South West stood solidly by GEJ during the 2011 election, but got little in return from his government.
You said it all, there are things he should have done differently, but this should serve as a lesson for the incoming government. Nigerians are wiser now and power of social media can not be underestimated, information moves faster.
Re: President Jonathan's Mistakes And How He Could Have Remained President by mmsen: 6:20pm On Apr 14, 2015
Gamesmart:
Before we go into this.

Are you saying it is Buhari's responsibility for Almajiri education?
My point is that Buhari could have campaigned about the plight of education in northern Nigeria - instead he chose to make noise about Sharia.

He has a warped sense of priorities.
Re: President Jonathan's Mistakes And How He Could Have Remained President by Gamesmart: 6:25pm On Apr 14, 2015
mmsen:
My point is that Buhari could have campaigned about the plight of education in northern Nigeria - instead he chose to make noise about Sharia.

He has a warped sense of priorities.
So in your attempt to show Jonathan is better than Buhari, you decided to employ some bias by picking a thing Jonathan did and then say "Oh, Buhari should have campaigned for this, not that?

When we talk about warped sense of priority, why are you not telling us that Jonathan should have been campaigning to stop corruption, rather than build almajiri schools?

Is Nigeria's priority almajiri schools or corruption?

Is Nigeria's priority almajiri schools or power?

Is Nigeria's priority almajiri schools or infrastructure?

Can you now see how warped your thinking and argument itself is? Picking and choosing what pleases you as an argument.
Re: President Jonathan's Mistakes And How He Could Have Remained President by M4gunners: 6:26pm On Apr 14, 2015
Noted : Let me add mine APC rigging horse power in the north. Underage voters and so on contributed to Jonathan loss.
Re: President Jonathan's Mistakes And How He Could Have Remained President by hensben(m): 6:27pm On Apr 14, 2015
Gamesmart:
What stupidity!

What makes you sure it is because he cared for his people he conceded defeat?

He could not have conceded defeat because he saw he lost and knew he was going to lose?

He could not have conceded defeat because he is scared of dying by a bullet from a military take over?

Yours is the fooolish comment.
that guy and his kind are just too foolish for my liking...can you imagine what he wrote.
Re: President Jonathan's Mistakes And How He Could Have Remained President by Gamesmart: 6:28pm On Apr 14, 2015
walata2011:
Neglecting the south west region is one of the biggest mistake he made, and the people he related with in the south west were those with questionable character. South West stood solidly by GEJ during the 2011 election, but got little in return from his government.
You said it all, there are things he should have done differently, but this should serve as a lesson for the incoming government. Nigerians are wiser now and power of social media can not be underestimated, information moves faster.
He was a "good man" mixing with convicted crook, Bode George.

He was a "good man" mixing with wanted crook, Kashamu.

He was a "good man" mixing with confirmed rigger, Obanikoro.

Very, very, very good man.
Re: President Jonathan's Mistakes And How He Could Have Remained President by larrysng(m): 6:31pm On Apr 14, 2015
OP I would disagree with you on this one. GEJ got what he want in south west which is 25%. It was the northern PDP governors that betrayed him by collaborating with their brothers just because they want power back to the north. If the northern PDP governors had won their states GEJ would have been declared the winner. The total differences in votes which the PDP northern states lost to APC is much higher than the difference which GMB used in defeating GEJ.

So it's more a less a conspiracy. GEJ knew this, that why he never want to context the result because he already said if he lost he is losing to a cabal.
Re: President Jonathan's Mistakes And How He Could Have Remained President by Nobody: 6:35pm On Apr 14, 2015
This is the worst thread I ever read.

Gej's only mistake was not doing his job as president. I didn't feel nor see the dividends of democracy. What happened to Power supply, to start with.
Re: President Jonathan's Mistakes And How He Could Have Remained President by Strongfaze(m): 6:35pm On Apr 14, 2015
Great write- up. GEJ should have done a little bad for a greater good. (Probe corrupt people who are his friends). He shouldn't have tried to outshine his master. (48 laws of power) questionable ceasefire and presidential pardon.
Re: President Jonathan's Mistakes And How He Could Have Remained President by mikron(m): 6:35pm On Apr 14, 2015
ziqqz:
The otherwise common ability to reason is obviously beyond you, so why bother dignifying this with a response sef...
@endeedike already replied u the way I would. Wasn't turai yar adua worse than patience? Who doesn't know the part she played in the affairs of this country while her husband was was dying of cancer abroad? Who doesn't know the lootings that took place that time, even the corrupt yar adua's kitchen cabinet members comprising wicked and corrupt government officials like former agric minister Abba Ruma, former attorney general aoondoaka, turai and d rest were busy preventing GEJ (then VP) from taking over as president cos of what they were looting and nobody mentioned turai here as a bad wife, but patience Jonathan. Pls leave this woman alone.
Re: President Jonathan's Mistakes And How He Could Have Remained President by endeedike(m): 6:36pm On Apr 14, 2015
responding to your comment will bring me down to your level.. have a nice night..
ziqqz:
This monstrous imbe.cility is exactly what breaks yo momma's heart... Check the mirror (if you have one o)
Re: President Jonathan's Mistakes And How He Could Have Remained President by mmsen: 6:36pm On Apr 14, 2015
Gamesmart:
So in your attempt to show Jonathan is better than Buhari, you decided to employ some bias by picking a thing Jonathan did and then say "Oh, Buhari should have campaigned for this, not that?

When we talked about warped sense of priority, why are you not telling us that Jonathan should have been campaigning to stop corruption, rather than build almajiri schools?

Is Nigeria's priority almajiri schools or corruption?

Is Nigeria's priority almajiri schools or power?

Is Nigeria's priority almajiri schools or infrastructure?

Can you now see how warped your thinking and argument itself is?
The Federal government during Jonathan's tenure has built roads, replaced key railway lines and refurbished existing airports as well as building new ones.

The same administration built more universities in the north than any northern administration ever has. Built more schools than any northern president or governor has, ever. Education is always a priority, investing in people is the most important investment that a government can make. If you do not invest in knowledge and skills then your people will always struggle - like it or not this is why northern Nigeria is the way that it is. It is because of the lack of educational opportunities for northern children that so many end up on the street and are then prey for groups such as Boko Haram.

Measures were taken to rejuvenate the power infrastructure. More power is being generated, it is now for the DISCOs to do their job, those are private enterprises, not government.

The PIB is on the table, the local content bill passed, the banking sector is more stable than it has been in decades.

Because you do not understand the role of government and you have no patience to see how policy will influence economics in the long run, you fail to appreciate what the Jonathan administration has done for Nigeria. I suggest that you educate yourself on the difference between the Federal government, the state governments and the private sector.
Re: President Jonathan's Mistakes And How He Could Have Remained President by InvertedHammer: 6:38pm On Apr 14, 2015
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We learn everyday. Each time I read about Nigerians' impressions about GEJ, I came to understand that a lot of Nigerians cannot differentiate:

Humility vs. Naivety
Nicety vs. Low self-esteem
Leadership vs. Presidency

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Re: President Jonathan's Mistakes And How He Could Have Remained President by mikron(m): 6:40pm On Apr 14, 2015
abduljabbar4:
What has he done for the north? Apart from the billions spent on security with no effect and the almajiri schools which we don't care about what has he done? Almajiris aint even upto 10% of the people in the north
u forgot to add the EPL chairman
The inspector general of police
Until recently the central bank govnr
The attorney general
The national security adviser
Re: President Jonathan's Mistakes And How He Could Have Remained President by mikron(m):
iukpe:
He was not firm. Smiles too much and never spoke out the things serious minds wanted to hear from their president in times of crisis.
na wa o, when has smiling so much become a sin?
Re: President Jonathan's Mistakes And How He Could Have Remained President by jazzy4naija(m): 6:44pm On Apr 14, 2015
drsteroid:
Jonah along with all his selfish aides destroyed what's left of this country..never in the history of this country has the muslim seen the xtians as enemies,or the hausaman seen the ibo man as his enemy...Jonathan govt looted and divided Nigeria along her different ethnic and religious divide.I can't wait 4 Buhari to start work and probe all the illegalities which had taken place during GEJ/PEJ administration since Sambo was seen as a figurehead or ghost worker.
As election drew closer,Lagos became the Federal capital territory to him,while he was busy doling out tax payers money just to lobby 4 vote..am so happy the South westerners showed him there is no trace of cluelessness in them,by showing him the way out with their PVCs..Nigeria has gone beyond sweet talking the people,its either u perform or u are thrown out through the exit door.he had close 2 six years,and couldn't make good use of it,let him enjoy his pension in otuoke..you ve succeeded in putting your name among the list of presidents of nigeria, the incorruptible general will show you what you don't know about stealing and corruption. Can't wait 4 may 29 to come. odabo jonah!!
I agree with all the points u raised but it amazes me when people accuse GEJ of being responsible
for the disunity of this nation. I remember vividly how d focal point in 2011 by
the North was "Its our turn" to the extend some people within the PDP
threatened to make Nigeria ungovernable for him. Maybe we should take a trip
down memory lane When a motion was first moved for the independence of
Nigeria who were the people that kicked against ? what was their reason?
then the coup that ended the first republic which was led by Igbo Officers and
how the North reacted which eventually led to the civil war. Was GEJ there ?
All the tribalism exhibited even on this forum is it GEJ that made it so? The
truth is that GEJ only cash in on the already existing disunity which the North
viewed as been against them and decided to punish him shekenan ..like the
great Awo said Nigeria is just a geographical expression. what was the reaction of Hausa/Fulani when Yakowa died? Why do think Sambo does not get votes even in his polling units my brother it has nothing to do with competence ...GEJ did not win most of the NW and NE in 2011 elections but he still won the elections and maybe this accounted for the reasons why he did all to appease them. Regarding neglecting the SW he had intention for the position of the Speaker zoned to them but APC then AC in connivance with Tambuwal took it away from them
Re: President Jonathan's Mistakes And How He Could Have Remained President by Nobody: 6:44pm On Apr 14, 2015
endeedike:
responding to your comment will bring me down to your level.. have a nice night..
You should have thought of levels before commenting prior to thinking, rather than vice versa; medicine after death. SMH
Re: President Jonathan's Mistakes And How He Could Have Remained President by Nobody: 6:50pm On Apr 14, 2015
mikron:
@endeedike already replied u the way I would. Wasn't turai yar adua worse than patience? Who doesn't know the part she played in the affairs of this country while her husband was was dying of cancer abroad? Who doesn't know the lootings that took place that time, even the corrupt yar adua's kitchen cabinet members comprising wicked and corrupt government officials like former agric minister Abba Ruma, former attorney general aoondoaka, turai and d rest were busy preventing GEJ (then VP) from taking over as president cos of what they were looting and nobody mentioned turai here as a bad wife, but patience Jonathan. Pls leave this woman alone.
Listen to yourself; reaching to all these conclusions even whilst you were neither there to confirm them as truths nor able to bet your life on them being factual.
Yet, they are your opinions, which you are rightfully entitled to. I may disagree with them, but I will defend to the death your right to express them. Why then brand my own exercise of the same right as being "silly", as though you have a monopoly to all knowledge?
Nuff said.
Re: President Jonathan's Mistakes And How He Could Have Remained President by segebobo: 6:52pm On Apr 14, 2015
PDP a once national party has been reduced to a regional party
Re: President Jonathan's Mistakes And How He Could Have Remained President by Nobody: 6:54pm On Apr 14, 2015
mikron:
stupid talk, what has his marriage got to do with this?
endeedike:
Stupidity is not defined geographically, nor by most of the other divisions employed to categorize. It takes residence in the hearts and minds of those who allow it to do so. Check the mirror...
Wake up! We are in a democracy where majority rules.
Go back and see how many "Likes" attached to my comment, and you may realise that my opinion echoes the minds of many more people out there.
Can't say the same for you though.
Re: President Jonathan's Mistakes And How He Could Have Remained President by mikron(m): 6:55pm On Apr 14, 2015
Gamesmart:
What stupidity!

What makes you sure it is because he cared for his people he conceded defeat?

He could not have conceded defeat because he saw he lost and knew he was going to lose?

He could not have conceded defeat because he is scared of dying by a bullet from a military take over?

Yours is the fooolish comment.
except u have amnesia though I pray not, Did Buhari conceded defeat in 2011 when it was obvious he lost with a very wide margin to GEJ? I am asking u did he conceed defeat? Were u not in Nigeria wen the deadly riots broke out in kaduna, zaria, kano and other parts of the north? Jonathan has the Constitution right to disagree with d results of this election and maybe drag Buhari to d elections tribunal because of the huge number of under age voters recorded in d North, is this not a valid enough point for the tribunals and courts to make things difficult for Buhari? Are these not irregularities? If that was done Don't u think Buhari's almajiris and thugs would have unleash mayhem in many parts of the country? I repeat GEJ cared that was why he didn't fight.
Re: President Jonathan's Mistakes And How He Could Have Remained President by Gamesmart: 7:00pm On Apr 14, 2015
mmsen:
The Federal government during Jonathan's tenure has built roads, replaced key railway lines and refurbished existing airports as well as building new ones.
What roads?

How does Lagos-Ibadan expressway look today? World class?

What about Ore-Benin?

What airport?

MMA is up to standard of even a regional airport in Europe?

You mean when they touch up things poorly and then loot the money is what you refer to?

The same money meant for airports that Stella Oduah used $1.6m dollars to buy 2 cars and Jonathan supported her without shame?

mmsen:
The same administration built more universities in the north than any northern administration ever has. Built more schools than any northern president or governor has, ever. Education is always a priority, investing in people is the most important investment that a government can make. If you do not invest in knowledge and skills then your people will always struggle - like it or not this is why northern Nigeria is the way that it is. It is because of the lack of educational opportunities for northern children that so many end up on the street and are then prey for groups such as Boko Haram.
Please show us your stats that proves Jonathan built more schools than any Northern President and Governor.

Which universities?

You mean if you build any structure and label it "University", then it is a university?

Nigeria does not have enough academic staff to work in existing university, where is the sense in building 50,000 more universities?

And you talk about priorities?

mmsen:
Measures were taken to rejuvenate the power infrastructure. More power is being generated, it is now for the DISCOs to do their job, those are private enterprises, not government.

The PIB is on the table, the local content bill passed, the banking sector is more stable than it has been in decades.

Because you do not understand the role of government and you have no patience to see how policy will influence economics in the long run, you fail to appreciate what the Jonathan administration has done for Nigeria. I suggest that you educate yourself on the difference between the Federal government, the state governments and the private sector.
So your support of Jonathan is not based on what he has done, but what he plans or promises to do?

In 6 years, what has he done for power?

Then tell us what a competent person could have done in 6 years to Nigeria's power generation.

I don't understand economics?

You do?

Where is your understanding of economics and government when you refer to building of universities despite knowing you don't have the resources to staff them?

I am the one that needs to learn?
Re: President Jonathan's Mistakes And How He Could Have Remained President by mikron(m): 7:07pm On Apr 14, 2015
Gamesmart:
What has Obasanjo got to do with "Is Jonathan good"?

How do you know what my opinion about Obasanjo is?

You should get angry about your fooolish assumptions.
u are the one with foolish assumptions here, you keep calling jonathan corrupt and paying for corruption, Did u see him doing that? I asked u was obasanjo not corrupt? U re here insulting B when A was worse as a leader, u re all here pouncing on the man because he is naturally quite and unassuming. The man had conceeded defeat why all these hate?
Re: President Jonathan's Mistakes And How He Could Have Remained President by Nobody: 7:10pm On Apr 14, 2015
seunfly:
You said it all except you did not include the following.
(1) The actions of his wife which has become annoying to every one.
(2) You don't fight everybody, even though they are silly and annoying just draw a line for them not to cross and let them be. He fought some people that are not threat to his ambition if they are on his side but if they crossed to the other side they are problem example is Amaechi, Kwakwaso and Bukola saraki. Tinubu will also make the same mistake if he try to fight dirty with Fayose and I know he knows that is why you won't see him in Ekiti until 2018.

Nothing to add again because you have covered all.
Who is fayose. Fayose is only strong in ekiti oh due to stomach infrastructure.
Re: President Jonathan's Mistakes And How He Could Have Remained President by Gamesmart: 7:14pm On Apr 14, 2015
mikron:
u are the one with foolish assumptions here, you keep calling jonathan corrupt and paying for corruption, Did u see him doing that? I asked u was obasanjo not corrupt? U re here insulting B when A was worse as a leader, u re all here pouncing on the man because he is naturally quite and unassuming. The man had conceeded defeat why all these hate?
You are a fooool. So what are the reports in a London court about the participation of the president and chief justice with Etete loot?
Re: President Jonathan's Mistakes And How He Could Have Remained President by olalat(m): 7:18pm On Apr 14, 2015
Curlieweed:
Johnny Boy's biggest mistake was being born into a very small ethnic group in the wrong cardinal point of the country.
U
You people should reason beyond bigotry now.was it only his tribalmen that made him President in 2011? The man goofed so much by sidelining the southwest region. He was too soft on taken critical decisions. The outburst of people like pa Edwin clerk and asari dokubo did a lot of damage to his image. The man just lack leadership trait sha. My personal opinion.
Re: President Jonathan's Mistakes And How He Could Have Remained President by emmygzy(m): 7:19pm On Apr 14, 2015
CHESSBOARD:
Best ans to this ediot called itsdumbass , he should satisfy the SW because they control the press and Judiciary undecided.,....ok let see if Buhari will satisfy the SW, now they believe they have the power lets see how satisfied they will be.... One of the best thing GEJ did was killing Godfatherism...OBJ can now Godfather GMB.. undecided
killed godfatherism as in? Are you living in Nigeria at all? What is edwin clark always doing in aso rock? Why is he always speaking for goodluck? He even speaks more than goodluck. Goodluck simply choses edwin clark over OBJ. Reason well before you talk, goodluck is a failure and an ibo and southsouth president.
Re: President Jonathan's Mistakes And How He Could Have Remained President by endeedike(m): 7:23pm On Apr 14, 2015
wisdom is not by numbers....have a nice day and pls dont mention me again..stupidity has a way of rubbing off on those who harken to the reason of the unwise.

ziqqz:
Wake up! We are in a democracy where majority rules.
Go back and see how many "Likes" attached to my comment, and you may realise that my opinion echoes the minds of many more people out there.
Can't say the same for you though.
Re: President Jonathan's Mistakes And How He Could Have Remained President by mikron(m): 7:23pm On Apr 14, 2015
hensben:
that guy and his kind are just too foolish for my liking...can you imagine what he wrote.
u re the foolish person here. Was GEJ the only president that worked with corrupt persons? What's ur point here, name one leader we ve had in this Democratic government both state and federal that hasn't worked with corrupt persons, obasanjo worked with chronic corrupt leaders like anenih, ibori, aoondoaka, Abba Ruma, he even made fani Kayode minister, what of bode George (NPA) Balogun (speaker) and the list goes on. Yar adua's government too was ladden with these same elements what did he do? Now it's gej's turn u opened ur unwashed dirty mouth to insult him. Idi0t
Re: President Jonathan's Mistakes And How He Could Have Remained President by mikron(m): 7:27pm On Apr 14, 2015
endeedike:
responding to your comment will bring me down to your level.. have a nice night..
don't mind the f00l. Here insulting GEJ like other presidents have not done worse
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