Gombs:
^^Did you ask idahosa, Dollar, Monroe etc for their thesis? Did you question it?

Now, someone has given you date and class and University, what now?

She gave you a topic to debate on... His car. That's one sweet ride you know.. Ask PastorKun, he's into auto business.

Thank you but no thank you about the car
No one is remotely interested in his car.

Marchman:
Oral roberts University? That's good to know

Dont tell that you fell for that
Gombs had to wait for LambanoPeace to come up with something that will ward off prying eyes a bit, like this poor attempt of a save-my-bacon Oral Roberts University fairy tale
These guys must have been politicians in a previous life, that's if there is anything like a previous life

Marchman:
Would check if his name is on the website. It is also strange that mention of this was made up till sometime last year when he started showing up with a PHD. Would check.

If Pastor Chris is embarrassed of his alma mater that gave him the Ph.D
or ashamed of it, to the extent of keeping quiet about its name
then good luck with checking his name on the website
Bet you get diddly-squat about him too if you phone

Pastor Chris is not known to be publicity-shy, but he is on this one about the origin of his Ph.D

WinsomeX:
At least now we know where Oyakhilome got his "PHD" from.

Marchman, how come you are a member of CE and open this kind of thread?

Dont say you bought that line,
or are you playing along with the illusion?

Marchman:
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Too many reasons. The church is too secretive and not accountable in the least. Such info should be a common knowledge, but lai lai.

To ask question is perceived as sin. Oyakhilome, not the bible, is the orthodoxy. Sad.

Excuse me!

Example of what the church is secretive about?. You want them to publish statement of account, announce donors or what?

As for his degree being 'secretive', I believe he ha a right to privacy as enshrined in the constitution, h has no obligations whatsoever to announce to you his graduation or academic prowesses.

And yeah, you are a church member, nice meeting you.

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Gombs:


Excuse me!

Example of what the church is secretive about?. You want them to publish statement of account, announce donors or what?

As for his degree being 'secretive', I believe he ha a right to privacy as enshrined in the constitution, h has no obligations whatsoever to announce to you his graduation or academic prowesses.

And yeah, you are a church member, nice meeting you.

I am shocked you actually said this. Shocked. So the church does not have an obligation to members who donate to it! This is a slave mentality. After a while, the slave gets use to his obnoxious environment and actually defend his masters. May God help Nigerian christians if such mentality is prevalent.

Gombs, I suggest you travel overseas. Go to Europe and see how churches are run, outside the charismatic set-up that is. Even orthodox churches in Nigeria are better run. They make public thier financial dealings. Among charismatics, it is a one man show. Every thing goes to the HQ while other churches are starved of funds. They in turn put pressure on their brethren for funds. Reason why you rarely find a CE church that owns its own buildings.

There is nothing bad if the church makes public how much it receives and how it is spent. They give targets upon targets but you rarely know how much it receieves and how the money is spent. This is very wrong, very wrong.

As for me, I do not trust the church leadership in Lagos, especially with the allegation of infidelity and corruption. So I have decided not to give a kobo to the HQ. I support my local church. I partner with my local church, but not a dime goes to the Chris gang.

Marchman:
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]I am shocked you actually said this. Shocked.

I hope you really are.

So the church does not have an obligation to members who donate to it!

You donate to the church not to him. Even as you donate to the church, you still want them to discuss with you what they did twith the monies? Even if the church pao his fees (quite unlikely), you want the church to do an announcement to that effect?

Darn!

This is a slave mentality.

Your opinion, and it's duly noted.

After a while, the slave gets use to his obnoxious environment and actually defend his masters. May God help Nigerian christians if such mentality is prevalent.

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Eyaaa

There are actually some Nigerians who cant think, cant read the bible and are slaves to the doctrine of a church. May God help us.

I really didnt want this to become controversial, just wanted a quick answer to a question I have pondered for a while. But apparently there is no easy answer. Gombs is now talking of his right to privacy and all that. It is not as he has been accused of something bad and he rquires to keep his mouth shut. I mean he claims to have a PhD and the simple question is where did he get that from?

If my class teacher just shows up one day with a PHD by the side of his name, it is normal to wantto know where he got it from. And if the teacher has nothing to hide, he should be glad to tell the students. Nothing controversial, except he has something to hide. Lol

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Gombs, I suggest you travel overseas.

Why do you think I haven't?

Go to Europe and see how churches are run,

Why not ask me to imitate Catholics, so Europe is now the new standard?
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outside the charismatic set-up that is. Even orthodox churches in Nigeria are better run. They make public thier financial dealings. Among charismatics, it is a one man show. Every thing goes to the HQ while other churches are starved of funds. They in turn put pressure on their brethren for funds. Reason why you rarely find a CE church that owns its own buildings.

Spare me these biko!

There is nothing bad if the church makes public how much it receives and how it is spent. They give targets upon targets but you rarely know how much it receieves and how the money is spent. This is very wrong, very wrong.

Find that kinda church and attend, there's nothing wrong in your suggestions.

As for me, I do not trust the church leadership in Lagos, especially with the allegation of infidelity and corruption.

Open more threads for discussions, solutions lie therein.

So I have decided not to give a kobo to the HQ. I support my local church. I partner with my local church, but not a dime goes to the Chris gang.

Good for you. God bless you while at it

Marchman:
There are actually some Nigerians who cant think, cant read the bible and are slaves to the doctrine of a church. May God help us.

I really didnt want this to become controversial, just wanted a quick answer to a question I have pondered for a while. But apparently there is no easy answer. Gombs is now talking of his right to privacy and all that. It is not as he has been accused of something bad and he rquires to keep his mouth shut. I mean he claims to have a PhD and the simple question is where did he get that from?

If my class teacher just shows up one day with a PHD by the side of his name, it is normal to wantto know where he got it from. And if the teacher has nothing to hide, he should be glad to tell the students. Nothing controversial, except he has something to hide. Lol

I think you should partner with WinsomeX, he's got threads about CE... Help him garnish it better.

He doesn't owe you an explanation how he eats, drinks, poo, school, fart etc.... Does he?

^^ Is the Op really a CE member?

If he is, then he must have just joined recently.

Many posts later and just insults from CEC members over such a simple question. Just dithering in defending their goD. You know you can tell how an ISIL terrorist reasons by watching these guys

Sure, he still has his brains intact and is still capable of using them.

Answer the OP's question now

Oyinprince:
^^ Is the Op really a CE member?

If he is, then he must have just joined r
ecently.

Oyinprince:
^^ Is the Op really a CE member?

He sure really is a CE member

Oyinprince:
If he is, then he must have just joined recently.

No. He hasn't joined recently
Put it this way, he is a long standing member with a shave off 10 years combined fellowshipping at CE Lagos and Abuja
Sorry to be a the bearer of a-not-too-good news to you

vooks:
Sure, he still has his brains intact and is still capable of using them.

Answer the OP's question now

I like OP's spirit
His brains truly is intact and he sure is still capable of using them since time immemorial
You just have to wonder about people who don't find his posts on or about CE endearing
OP do not be distressed, for the joy of the LORD is your strength

MuttleyLaff:
He sure really is a CE member


No. He hasn't joined recently
Put it this way, he is a long standing member with almost 10 years combined fellowshipping at CE Lagos and Abuja
Sorry to be a the bearer of a-not-too-good news to you


I like OP's spirit
His brains truly is intact and he sure is still capable of using them since time immemorial
You just have to wonder about people who don't find his posts on or about CE endearing
OP do not be distressed, for the joy of the LORD is your strength

10years?

Abeg, let the Op answer for himself.


@sir vooks, I saw ur post

Funny...

Sammied was on the other page, though he said he was not member you guys thought he's brainwashed and biased. However,

Any monicker who comes up and claim CE member, and flies your flags, such are right thinkers and definitely wise!

See who you lots called one who's using his brain,. I hope you all endorse this too.

How can I fear what does not exist? Hell was the creation of a few to decieve the gullible many.

My great great grandfather who was not a christian and lived according to the mores and vales of his time should be in hell now, right?

Wrong!!! The gullible can go ahead and believe in a God that torments his "enemies" forever. I dont know any earthly any father who would punish his children this way. Yet God said in the Bible that he loves us more than our earthly father. Hell is false, it only exists in the imagination of our fake pastors and Imams, and their gullible members.

https://www.nairaland.com/726910/fear-hell#8847094


If he likes let him be a cec member since birth, I don't see how that introduction helps his case though!

If you don't like the leadership of a Church, why not quit? Life's that easy.

Oyinprince:
10years?

Abeg, let the Op answer for himself.

Yes ooo, since 2006 which is almost 10 years and that's the gospel truth, so no need for OP to answer for himself
but I see you're one of those people who don't like to read or hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed

Gombs:
Funny...

Sammied was on the other page, though he said he was not member you guys thought he's brainwashed and biased. However,

Any monicker who comes up and claim CE member, and flies your flags, such are right thinkers and definitely wise!

See who you lots called one who's using his brain,. I hope you all endorse this too.

https://www.nairaland.com/726910/fear-hell#8847094

If he likes let him be a cec member since birth, I don't see how that introduction helps his case though!

If you don't like the leadership of a Church, why not quit? Life's that easy.

Did you have to drag this in, him questioning where his grandfather is right now, in here, on to this thread?
You must be forced to desperate measures for want to smear and discredit OP this way
Why cant you guys please stick to the thread's bone of contention about where the Ph.d was obtained from?

^^
Sharaaaap and face my question, do you still think he was using his brain when typing that?

You only saw the grandfather part right? You didn't see How can I fear what does not exist? Hell was the creation of a few to decieve the gullible many.

For obvious reasons, you didn't notice the above colored. No real CE member will write that, not even in a wild joke, and well, if my friend here has been a member for over ten years, then... You can deduce who's lying.. CE or him

Now, I want to discredit him? Hahahahahahhahahahahahahhahah. He said belief in hell was for the gullible bla bal bla... Nothing was wrong with it, shey? Remember, he was a CE member when he typed this.... You don't seem to object it, but I'm the one discrediting? Hahahahahaahhahahahahahaha

Maybe you're crediting him for that post.

Maybe he was high or his account was hacked, maybe he was mistaken.. But I want you to see that to your band of misfits, he's ok... so far he speaks against CE in any remote way.

You guys can join the certificate 'fraud', the accountability et to the WoF and CE is a cult threads, and type away.

Goodnight joor

*unfollows thread

Marchman,

Find a real church and go there. CE is a cult. Study my thread below to understand my position. Note the salient post I put on the first post:

www.nairaland.com/2237377/christ-embassy-church-cult

The points you have raised against the church, their lack of transparency, finances, etc, are child's play to the real issues bugging that church.

Good Luck.

WinsomeX:
Marchman,

Find a real church and go there. CE is a cult. Study my thread below to understand my position. Note the salient post I put on the first post:

www.nairaland.com/2237377/christ-embassy-church-cult

The points you have raised against the church, their lack of transparency, finances, etc, are child's play to the real issues bugging that church.

Good Luck.

Seconded.

Good luck too.

*****double unfollows thread.

Gombs:
^^Sharaaaap

You sure have a way of displaying your temper tantrums if you can't get your own way

Gombs:
and face my question, do you still think he was using his brain when typing that?

When and where did you ask the question if he was using his brain

Gombs:
You only saw the grandfather part right? You didn't see How can I fear what does not exist? Hell was the creation of a few to decieve the gullible many.

For obvious reasons.

Now, I want to discredit him? Hahahahahahhahahahahahahhahah. He said belief in hell was for the gullible bla bal bla... Nohong was wrong with it, shey? Remember, he was a CE member when he typed this.... You don't seem to object it, but I'm the one discrediting? Hahahahahaahhahahahahahaha

Maybe you're crediting him for that post.

Maybe he was high or his account was hacked, maybe he was mistaken.. But I want you to see that to your band of misfits, he's ok... so far he speaks against CE in any remote way.

You guys can join the certificate 'fraud', the accountability et to the WoF and CE is a cult threads, and type away.

Goodnight joor

*unfollows thread

Not related to thread topic, so will not dignify the above with a comment

MuttleyLaff:

Did you have to drag this in, him questioning where his grandfather is right now, in here, on to this thread?
You must be forced to desperate measures for want to smear and discredit OP this way
Why cant you guys please stick to the thread's bone of contention about where the Ph.d was obtained from?

That's Gombs for you. You find him loosing out on a thread discuss, like he always does anyway, and then he resorts to personal attacks.

Gombs, if you were so sure of where Oyaks got his PHD from, why did you have to resort to your female monicker- Lambinopeace to announce to the house? Why not just say it with the Gombs monicker?

You catch cold and develop fever over people using different monickers but when you do it, with diabolical motives, it is OK.

You need help. When you eventually leave that cult you call a church, you will need years of rehabilitation or you may loose it.

Gombs:


Seconded.

Good luck too.

*****double unfollows thread.

Tail BTW his legs... he runs.

Goodbye.

WinsomeX:
Marchman,

Find a real church and go there. CE is a cult. Study my thread below to understand my position. Note the salient post I put on the first post:

www.nairaland.com/2237377/christ-embassy-church-cult

The points you have raised against the church, their lack of transparency, finances, etc, are child's play to the real issues bugging that church.

Good Luck.

This is easier said than done to go find a real church to go to.
You and I know, his missus is sold out to CE, up to the hilt and tipping
so as I said earlier to OP, he sholud not be distressed, for the joy of the LORD is his strength
God will make a way where there seems to be no way

MuttleyLaff:

This is easier said than done to go find a real church to go to.
You and I know, his missus is sold out to CE, up to the hilt and tipping
so as I said earlier to OP, he sholud not be distressed, for the joy of the LORD is his strength
God will make a way where there seems to be no way

I agree.

May God guide you and your family, Marchman.

WinsomeX:
That's Gombs for you. You find him loosing out on a thread discuss, like he always does anyway, and then he resorts to personal attacks.

Gombs, if you were so sure of where Oyaks got his PHD from, why did you have to resort to your female monicker
- Lambinopeace to announce to the house? Why not just say it with the Gombs monicker?

Didnt want it to be me, saying or noticing that
Oopsy daisy, but the cat is out of the bag now
Thought that was insiders knowledge

WinsomeX:
You catch cold and develop fever over people using different monickers but when you do it, with diabolical motives, it is OK.

You need help. When you eventually leave that cult you call a church, you will need years of rehabilitation or you may loose it.

Will need years of rehabilitation or may loose it? Ye, you're too hard on him

Marchman:
How can I fear what does not exist? Hell was the creation of a few to decieve the gullible many.

My great great grandfather who was not a christian and lived according to the mores and vales of his time should be in hell now, right?

Wrong!!! The gullible can go ahead and believe in a God that torments his "enemies" forever.  I dont know any earthly any father who would punish his children this way. Yet God said in the Bible that he loves us more than our earthly father. Hell is false, it only exists in the imagination of our fake pastors and Imams, and their gullible members.

Thanks Bro Gombs for revealing the dude's lies.

No CE member will write the above, and someone even tells me he's been there for ten years . I laff in tongues


If a genuine CE member wants to ask a question, he knows where to go . He doesn't come to rant on Nairaland.

MuttleyLaff:

Yes ooo, since 2006 which is almost 10 years and that's the gospel truth, so no need for OP to answer for himself
but I see you're one of those people who don't like to read or hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed

U still dey defend ur lie

Oyinprince:
U still dey defend ur lie

Very well. As you wish.
By the way, as it happens, like your music though.
Are you still at it? Any more, like any more done recently or lately?

I hav been off Nairaland for a while, I run my own firm and so do not have the luxury of chatting endlessly. So I ahve missed some issues arising from my earlier posts.

Let me deal with a few here.

I am a member of Christ Embassy based in Abuja and until a few years ago was like Gombs, who would defend any negative issue about the church and pastor even if it is the truth. After a while, I became disillusioned with the church especially with their penchant for giving targets and making money (''giving'') the centre of their worship. For instance, if a pastor meets a member of another branch of the church and wants to find out about his level of commitment and growth, he would normally ask that branch pastor, about the level of giving of that brother or sister. I thought this was petty and unchristianly, that the focus of the gospel has been reduced to how much one is giving or able to give. So if I give big but a fraudster it is ok with the church as far i am not caught! In fact, i would likely win awards at the yearly prize-giving day with Pst Chris. I believe this ungodly and has led many brethren to commit attrocious acst all in the name of giving.

My wife made this obvious to me when she spent money I gave her to keep for me on a pastor's birthday (Hundreds of thousands). I was furious but forgave her. But it made me to wonder the kind of message that was taught her which made her to spend what didnt belong to her. It is the ungodly message of giving, giving and giving and more giving. That is the lifestyle my wife has chosen, in spite my warning. Today after five years of working and being paid salary, she does not have one kobo to her name. Instead she is owing banks, owing coperatives and depend on me for everything. Sometimes, i tease he about her harvest and why she is broke in spite of all the promises Oyaks makes to those who give until they are broke. Apart from the money she took from me (stole is really a better word), on another pastor's birthday, she collected a loan to give in order to meet her target. How can this be godly? Meanwhile she has relatives who are in need of help, a father who is sick etc.

Thats one area i disagreed with the church. Money is not the central message of Christ and to be poor is not a sin as it is often preached in CE.

Another area is making Oyaks the orthodoxy of the church. No testimony or service is complete without the mention of Pst Chris. How he said this or that. I believe it is wrong, that we should focus on Christ, like Christ directed all praise to his father. In CE, Pst Chris is the orthodoxy. It doesnt matter what the bible says, what matters is the spin giving by Oyaks. E.g The Lords Prayers is not for Christians of today etc.

Also before the controversy btw Pst Chris and his wife happened, I knew something was not right. But members (Joeagbaje, Gombs and co) defended him furiously. I recall Joeagbaje saying there was no issue there as the man used to sneak out now and then to be with his wife. It was all lies. The burble burst when the woman said Oyaks had shirked his marital duties for years and had inappropriate relationships with the single femal pastrors that often hang around him. Imagine if somebody was bold enough to intervene early enough and called a spade a spade. It would probably have saved the marriage. But no one dares question Pst Chris. So if he teaches a gospel that is not of Christ, they would only say it is a new revelation.

In spite of that, I think Pst Chris is a gifted preacher, that is if you are able to sieve the wheat from the shaft of his message. The church is also good at motivating and inspiring one to suucess.

On the PHD issue, there should not be any controversy here. It should be as simple as abc --mentioning the school, and time he receieved the degree. And if members do not know, there is nothing wrong in saying so. Attacking the personality of the person that asked the question is a fallacy, we laernt that in Philosophy 101. Pst Chris doesnt require a PhD to be a gifted preacher and to be respected. Members idolised him before he showed up with one. But since he claims to have earned one, where did he get it from? Thank you and God bless you all, including Gombs et al who insulted me.

MuttleyLaff:

Very well. As you wish.
By the way, as it happens, like your music though.
Are you still at it? Any more, like any more done recently or lately?

Still at it, no new one yet. Just on a break, let's call it a revamp

Guys, he now has more


Pastor Chris Oyakhilome D.Sc D.D

Yeah... PhD is learning.

Pastor Chris has an honorary doctorate degree in divinity from Benson Idahosa University.[20][21]

He is a graduate of Ambrose Alli University, Ekpoma, where he obtained a degree in Architecture and an honorary Doctor of Science award.[22]

Source :Wikipedia